Don Piper Did Not Go To Heaven

This isn't heaven, and Don Piper didn't go here.

It’s rare that I get a chance to agree with Tim Challies, so when I do get that chance, I take it! (HT to RHE for pointing me to this.)


I haven’t read a single book in the heaven-and-back genre, but it does chap my hide every Sunday when I see them atop the NY Times Bestseller lists. How dumb can the American public be? I ask myself. (Don’t answer that. It’s a rhetorical question.)

Tim asks a different question: Am I, as a Christian, obligated to give these Christian authors the benefit of the doubt:

I am not going to review To Heaven and Back. It’s pure junk, fiction in the guise of biography, paganism in the guise of Christianity. But I do want to address a question that often arises around this book and others in the genre: How do I respond to them? How do I respond to those who say they have been to heaven? When a Christian, or a person who claims to be a Christian, tells me that he has been to heaven, am I obliged to believe him or at least to give him the benefit of the doubt?

No, I am under no such obligation. I do not believe that Don Piper or Colton Burpo or Mary Neal or Bill Wiese visited the afterlife. They can tell me all the stories they want, and then can tell those stories in a sincere tone, but I do not believe them (even when they send me very angry and condescending emails that accuse me of character assassination). I am not necessarily saying that these people are liars—just that I am under no obligation to believe another person’s experience. Here’s why:

You can read the rest in Tim’s post.

I agree with Tim. We’re under no obligation to believe these accounts. In fact, it’s just the opposite: our theological commitments require us to be skeptical of these stories. Heaven, after all, is not a physical (or meta-physical) place — just ask NT Wright.

Heaven is a time, in the future, in which God’s messianic re-creation of all that is will be complete.

So I don’t know where Don Piper went, but it wasn’t heaven. At least, I doubt it.

  • Pax

    I’m interested in your understanding of the ascension. Where is Jesus resurrected body? Is it in some “place” distinct from heaven, did it go out of existence, etc.?

  • Brian P.

    I find this comment curious:

    “I am under no obligation to believe another person’s experience.”

    In the context of a revealed religion.

    • http://christopherbaca.wordpress.com Chris

      Just because we are “under no obligation” does not mean we can’t choose to believe based on another person’s experience. It simply means that just because someone else claims to have an experience, I do not AUTOMATICALLY need to believe or accept that person’s experience.

    • http://www.tabledallas.org/ Nathan

      Any Christian should have some sort of community to check their experiences against.

      I’ve had people come to me, as a pastor, and tell me God wanted them to do this or that. Like – “God told me in a dream that I should have a romantic relationship with a woman that is not my wife.” The role of the elder or pastor or whoever in this situation isn’t to shut them down immediately but talk about it. What was this religious experience? What happened? Who said what? How have you felt affirmed in this? Does this line up with anything you read in scripture? If it doesn’t seem to line up with scripture, tradition, and the values of your community, you suggest some alternative interpretations and invite them to pray about it.

      You may find out that it does seem to be a true mystical experience… with patience and listening. Or the person may realize that it was something else working in their lives. Happens more often than we think – the gift of a strong faith community is a huge aid in discerning those kinds of things.

  • JJ

    In his Surprised by Hope, Wright makes it clear that he does actually believe that there is a life after death, a temporary resting place until the resurrection. That’s why he talks about “life after life after death” as the meaning of Christian eschatology. And Moltmann says much the same in Coming of God. He appropriates Whitehead’s idea of the consequent nature and modifies it with a process notion of subjective immortality to get there.

    • Greg Gorham

      Can you say more about Moltmann’s position? What’s the process notion of subjective immortality and how does he modify it?

  • Scot Miller

    I’m reminded of William James’ conclusion to the chapter on Mysticism in his Varieties of Religious Experience:

    1. Mystical states, when well developed, usually are, and have the right to be, absolutely authoritative over the individuals to whom they come.

    2. No authority emanates from them which should make it a duty for those who stand outside of them to accept their revelations uncritically.

    3. They break down the authority of the non-mystical or rationalistic consciousness, based upon the understanding and the senses alone. They show it to be only one kind of consciousness. They open out the possibility of other orders of truth, in which, so far as anything in us vitally responds to them, we may freely continue to have faith.

  • Andrew

    Wait, so you think that heaven currently doesn’t exist? So, when Jesus taught us to pray, “Our Father, who art in Heaven…,” what do you take that to mean?

    • Marti

      I have always thought I can not truly understand someone unless I learn about their story. How do you chose to decide if you believe or do not believe if you dont find out what they said? How do you judge a book without reading it?

  • Rocky

    Interesting. I’ve been a Christian for 33 years and this is the first time I”ve ever heard of heaven being a time instead of a place. Any biblical reference for that?

    • http://www.tabledallas.org/ Nathan

      I’d suggest looking up “messianic banquet” for instance as one of the huge images running throughout the OT and NT. I’m preaching on Matthew 22 on Sunday, so it’s on my brain.

      Plus, lining up with the ending of Revelation, my NT seminary professor, Craig Hill, did some great work on understanding rapture as people not disappearing to go to heaven but the people going out to greet an arriving king/conqueror and escorting their ruler back into their city. Heaven more than likely will be on earth, God dwelling with God’s people. That’s another angle you could explore.

  • http://www.sdgmusic.org/bannister Da stand das Meer

    Dear Tony,
    Interesting to hear some theological takes on the near-death experience (NDE) … I can certainly understand your reticence to read the ‘heaven-and-back’ literature (not least precisely because of its sales ratings), and I’m also a fan of ‘Surprised by Hope’.

    But …

    Regardless of what one may think of any individual near-death account, I would be extremely wary of dismissing NDEs on an a priori basis. Books such as Burpo’s, Alex/Kevin Malarkey’s and others need to be put in context of the scientific work in the area of consciousness research that is currently being carried out by people such as Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel (the first researcher to have a peer-reviewed study of NDEs published in The Lancet in 2001), Mario Beauregard (University of Montreal), Bruce Greyson (U of Virginia), Andrew Newberg (U of Pennsylvania) and others. An increasing number of scientists are convinced that the evidence of the empirical data in favour of the reality of non-bodily consciousness (which is the condition of possibility of NDEs), for example during cardiac arrest, is extremely strong. There is extensive video available online from the recent 2012 ‘Final Passages’ Bioethics Forum held at the BioPharmaceutical Technology center in Madison, Wisconsin in which several of the leading researchers in the field set out the case: http://www.btci.org/bioethics/2012/videos2012/default.html

    What is curious, given the implications of this research (if validated), is the resistance to the whole notion of the near-death experience from various Christian quarters. I cannot help feeling that this resistance driven by various (contradictory!) theological a prioris, as I tried to indicate in the concluding section of the following recent lecture:
    http://www.peterjohnbannister.com/TheReturnofSpirit.pdf

    I am not of course trying to say that Don Piper necessarily went to heaven for 90 minutes; personal accounts are by their very nature impossible to judge (and in this respect I agree with both you and Tim Challies that they do not command automatic assent). It should be acknowledged that even if they are sincere, the possibility that Christian NDE accounts are at least strongly, if not decisively coloured by a pre-existing theological framework and imagery is a very real one. What I am saying, however, is that a reasoned evaluation of NDEs definitely requires a sober phenomenological examination of the evidence rather than categorical dismissal – and that the results of such an examination may turn out to be surprising. NT Wright’s work may be inspiring to many of us, but he would be the last to claim infallibility, I hope!

    Grace,
    Peter Bannister

    P.S. For anyone not afraid of having their paradigms challenged, I would recommend UCC Pastor Howard Storm’s ‘My Descent into Death’ (foreword by Anne Rice) – how an atheist emerged from an NDE in Paris in 1985 speaking like a progressive theologian having read 3000 pages of Moltmann and Pannenberg, with some Whiteheadian metaphysics thrown in [shout-out: I think Tripp Fuller (another UCC pastor) might just like it if he's reading this thread ...]. This is one account which is definitely NOT about wish-fulfilment. Take a look at it and then tell me what you think is going on …

    • Peter

      Very well said Peter B

  • eva

    “Since meeting Jesus, I have had a strong desire to pray for others. I have become a true prayer warrior. Intercessory prayer has become a way of life for me. I regularly attended a Bible study at a Korean-American church for about a year before my husband, Roger, was saved.” (…)
    “REVELATION OF HEAVEN
    THE REMAINING CHAPTERS of this book, record some remarkable journeys that God has taken me on since I turned my life over to Him. He has asked me to record these experiences in this book so that others will see and understand. Why He chose me for this important work remains a mystery to me, but I do understand that He wants me to warn people in the world and in the church that we don’t have much time left in which to complete the work He has called us to do.
    The Father in heaven wants everyone to know how much He loves them and desires to bless them, if they will trust Him and obey His Word. He has shown me that many believers are, in reality, functional atheists–they don’t really believe there is a heaven. I can say with all the certainty that it is possible for us–on this side of eternity–to know that heaven is so real. Furthermore, I now know that our God is able, as His Word says, to do “exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us” (Ephesians 3:20).”

    Choo Thomas author of: “Heaven is so real”

  • Steve Teague

    I had an old friend, a psychiatrist, who wrote of his near death experience. His lecture at UVA inspired Raymond Moody. My friend told me not to buy all on the market. I told him, I know you and trust your experience is true for you. I have not done this. I don’t know. I do know people have found comfort in these stories. I don’t think we help by calling all of them pagan. Some do not square with Christian faith. Others come from people whose love and trust in God has been strenghtened by an experience beyond me. I am an agnostic about some things. I am a believer as Wright describes his position. None of us have the final word. Only God does.

  • Carolyn

    NDEs are real. There are too many experiences to dispute your judgements/opinions.

    • http://tonyj.net Tony Jones

      By that logic, I’d have to admit that Rush Limbaugh is correct about everything.

  • http://www.jessepals.com/ Jesse Pals

    Indeed, it becomes a little soft under foot when we pick and choose our revelatory spots a priori.

    Three and a half years ago I experienced a NDE after a near-fatal car accident, I experienced a drastically altered state of consciousness but I have no coherent, ready for the presses account of heaven to share. I was half-expecting it too! I did have one hell of an experience (no pun intended). I did experience, what I understand to be, a couple mysterious visions, although modest in imaginative stature.

    If I ever share my story one day it will be of, both, the wonderful and horrifying surrounding events that happened on the ground. To this end, I guess I agree. I/We don’t need to go to heaven to tell a compelling tale of God’s mastery and reign. …on earth as it is in heaven right? ;)

  • Norm

    Personally I think a lot of these accounts are real experiences and to dismiss them is arrogant. When and atheist demands proof of God and you give them your testimony of your experience and they say “your dreamin”,you walk away,dont stay to be ridiculed,its throwing your pearls before swine.It happened to you and is irrelevant what anyone else thinks,you included.

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  • http://www.sdgmusic.org/bannister Da stand das Meer

    One issue that hasn’t been tackled much in this discussion (or the parallel ones hosted by Tim Challies and Rachel Held Evans) but which arguably merits close investigation is the question of ‘life reviews’ in the near-death experience literature. Once you’ve read a few of these from different sources the striking similarities need some kind of explanation. Take a look at http://sdgmusic.org/bannister/?p=2416 and see what you think …

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  • jordan

    Dont be a jerk heaven is real ur just scared your goin to hell

  • The Doctor

    What if Don Piper is A TIME LORD?!?!

  • Brittany

    What if this was your son? What would you think then? I personally know this family. That changes a lot of things….just saying

  • Allen

    Sorry, but Piper’s testimony was a little more believable than your copy and paste, heavily opinionated, two-paragraph blog. The accounts Piper has recalled have been consistent from one interview to the next, making his testimony less likely to be pure fiction, as you stated. His recollection is also consistent with many many others who have had out of body and near death experiences.

    • http://facebook.com/natalieparkerson Pastor Natalie Parkerson

      Amen, Allen. These people are nauseating.

  • Janie

    Do you believe John?

  • Peter

    I have read the NDE literature avidly for decades and had a minor NDE myself – got half way up the tunnel as it were – no great revelations to bring back, but the experience was definitely very real in a subjective sense.

    There are enough veridical accounts now to satisfy my curiosity about the ontological reality of the NDE.

    My problem with Piper’s book – is that like some Hindu and Jewish NDEs from people with very entrenched theological cultural backgrounds – one sees initially what one expects, or at least interprets the main motifs in that way.

    Rene Jorgensen who studies the religious aspects of NDEs sums up Piper’s narrow conclusions – http://www.renejorgensen.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=135:90-minutes-in-heaven-misrepresents-nde-research&catid=36:book-excerpts&Itemid=99

    I believe Piper probably did have a real experience of the afterlife, just coloured too strongly by his doctrinally governed interpretations.

    • Peter

      BTW – I have read Piper’s book too. There’s a ring of truth – but the real truth (after reading literally over a thousand of these NDE’s now) – is a much bigger broader and more wonderful truth than Piper’s southern Baptist theology can incorporate, which is a bit sad.

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  • http://facebook.com/natalieparkersonandhttp://salvaged.me Pastor Natalie A. Parkerson

    What a pompous, puffed-up, haughty, smug, arrogant brood of vipers; all sittin’ ’round the ol’ campfire, with your self-inflated, verbose, dissertations. A good majority of you are despicable and your rants are reprehensible. I’m embarrassed for all of you. No, he probably didn’t actually go to heaven but who cares, one way or the other — he had a horrific accident; it was gruesome and I’m sure he wouldn’t wish that on anyone. You people make me sick.

    • http://gravatar.com/rollieb RollieB

      Is the heat of Palm Springs getting to you, Natalie? Where’s the pastoral love?

  • paul

    “Tim asks a different question: Am I, as a Christian, obligated to give these Christian authors the benefit of the doubt?”

    The Christian author ‘apostle Paul’ wrote that he visited heaven. Is Tim obliged to believe him or at least to give him the benefit of the doubt?

  • Allan

    You all people who are saying we are in no obligation to believe are in the same position of those Pharisees who did not believe that the Jesus is the One True God and He resurrected again. One thing for sure that their destiny is Hell since you do not believe in Heaven then just believe in Hell and you are bound to it.

  • Belinda

    So, Tony. How do you know for a fact that Mr. Piper did NOT go to Heaven? Were you there with him? Did you experience what he experienced? For crying out loud, the man was dead for 90 minutes, and another minister was “told” by God to pray for the dead man in the car. He was brought back to life. You have no idea where Mr. Piper’s soul went for 90 minutes. I suppose you’re going to say Apostle Paul and John didn’t experience their visions of Heaven. Just because we don’t live in Biblical times doesn’t mean God stopped working miracles or doesn’t allow people glimpses of Heaven. Mr. Piper didn’t see Jesus because he didn’t get all the way into the gate’s of Heaven. He was sent back because it wasn’t his time and God had other plans for him. “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

  • Chris

    How in the FUCK can you just dismiss it if you don’t even have but a fucking CLUE what they fucking said?

  • disqus_3EVp3Il349

    I find it interesting that the people who claim to know more about heaven have never been clinically dead.

  • Alicia Robinson

    although I am sure it’s not worth trying to remember), you cannot even write very well for some kind of a poorly obligation to believe anything. You are a nobody, unimportant My belief is that you should go back to college and try learning something that will make you a real contributor to society! You are a natural comedian, so maybe something in The Arts field. Then again one, such as yourself, with such a small, little, narrow. mind, will never succeed at anything. I only have a ninth-grade education, so at least I have an excuse for poor writing, as you do not, unless I am on some small local newspaper site, then I could understand it!. Still it’s hardly worth the read. Don’t excite yourself either, I did not bookmark(whatever site this is I accidentally clicked on), so I will never be back to litigate what it means

  • Alicia Robinson

    So quick to not believe yet you still cannot validate your beliefs either! Goodbye worthless read!

  • http://eternian.wordpress.com/ Daniel Xavier Knight

    The title said it all: mentally ill idiot who can’t believe anything. So then no eye witness testimony is valid. Since you don’t bother to read past the title, don’t bother to read carefully, you too got ignored. God will treat you the same way. Seeya thrown into Hell, if that’s where you’re headed. That’s what you’ll see, that’s where you’ll go.

    • LoneWolf343

      First of all, he never did say he didn’t believe anything. Not wanting to believe things without collaberative evidence is not mental illness; if anything, the opposite is true, or at the very least naive.

      Second of all, there are no eye-witnesses, by virtue of the fact that there were no eyes involved in the experience. They were left behind, if the “witnesses” involved actually went anywhere.

      Last of all, the funny thing about these extranatural “memories” is that they tend to be different according to the person’s beliefs. What do you say to a Hindu who says that he can remember things from a past life, and I’m not being hypothetical; these claims have been made. What makes these testimonies more valid than his?

  • Montana Man

    Before I begin, I am fully aware that there may be some who will discount what I am about to write, simply because they were taught something else by their church, or by their pastor, etc., and they quite frankly don’t have the spiritual commitment that might take them down an inconvenient path. However, if I were to remain silent I would not be faithful to our Lord, to be a witness for the truth of His Word. For those who do have an ear to hear, I suggest that you write down the points I am about to share and to check them in the Bible, along with a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance. It is essential to be a noble Berean when it comes to dividing truth from error.

    I believe that Don Piper had a vision, just as the apostle Paul had a vision when he was stoned at Lystra (Acts 14:8-20; 2 Cor 12:3). After his stoning, the brethren prayed, and Paul rose back up. One reason I do not believe that he left earth and went to heaven is that he did not have his spiritual body (divine nature). It will be impossible to change back to human form after that, for a Christian will then be immortal like Christ. Many well-meaning Christians are taught that man possesses an indwelling immortal soul or spirit. There is nothing in scripture that teaches this thought, in fact there are many scriptures that refute such a thing. This belief originates from the heathen philosophers, Socrates and Plato.

    First of all, when God was in the process of creating Adam, the Bible says that God created him from the dust of the earth (elements of earth, including water), then He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (the life principle that all living creatures on earth share), and man BECAME a living soul (the Hebrew word for soul is ‘nephesh’). It does not say that man received a soul, it says that he became a soul, ‘a sentient being’ (that is, a being capable of thought, sensations and perception). ‘Soul’ is used in scripture to denote all living creatures, not only man. Even before Adam was created the word ‘nephesh’ was used in relation to animals (Gen. 1:20,30, translated ‘life, and in verse 24, translated ‘living creature’). There are many places where Bible translators were not consistent, nor completely honest in the words they chose to use. They were under compulsion to accept the doctrinal positions accepted by the church, and not deviate from it. That is a big reason why false teaching still permeates the Christian church today. People have to do deep, honest Bible Study to unravel truth from error. The problem though, is that once a Bible student starts this quest, he quickly discovers that there are many interconnected errors based on bad translations.

    Another argument against the idea that man possesses an immortal soul, is that it blasphemes God, as it screams out that we believe that God is an imbecile, and a weakling, and the most unjust and evil person imaginable. We say that God knows everything, and we say that He is all wise and all-powerful, yet we are to believe that He would create man with an indwelling immortal soul, knowing that Adam would sin. That is pure stupidity. Then we also declare that it is a just thing to assign a sinful man to a sentence that continues throughout all eternity, even though he most likely sinned for less than 100 years. Since man inherited the sin nature from Adam, and had no choice but to sin, we still feel that it is somehow a righteous thing to condemn him to a punishment of vicious everlasting torture (and yet we would not torture the most insignificant creature for a single moment). Furthermore, we are told that since man has an immortal soul that cannot die, God is powerless to destroy him. This is despite clear scripture statements declaring that God can destroy both body and soul in hell.
    This leads us into unraveling another false teaching that has been slipped in while no one was looking, Eternal hellfire.

    ‘Hell’ is an old English word, mistranslated from the OT Hebrew word ‘Sheol’ and the NT Greek word, ‘Hades,’ and means ‘tomb, pit.’ It is the grave, where everyone goes at death. Good people and evil people all go to sheol, hades, hell, at death. Jesus even went to hell (tomb) for three days. The scriptures declare that His death was an inaudible sermon (of the love, justice, power, and wisdom of God) to the unbelievers during Noah’s day, who ended up suffering God’s judgment on the world. The other word translated ‘hell’ is the Greek word, ‘gehenna.’ It refers to the ‘second death’ or the ‘Lake of Fire’ spoken of in Revelation. This word hold the meaning of complete annihilation. To further prove this, Rev. 20:14 says that both the condition of death and ‘hell’ (hades, the
    tomb) will be cast into the Lake of Fire. It cannot be a burning torture chamber because the condition of death (which is eliminated at the end of the Millennium), cannot be tortured, nor can the tomb be tortured, nor can a fictional burning place of everlasting torment be cast into another burning place). It is another way of saying that the dying condition which man is presently under, will be totally eliminated (annihilated) along with the tombs which housed the dead.

    Jesus used the word ‘gehenna’ to symbolize the final condemnation of those who choose wickedness at the close of Christ’s Millennial Kingdom. ‘Gehenna’ is a term for the garbage dump that was located outside of the city of Jerusalem (being previously cursed because of its location as a place of idol worship). Garbage and filth were cast there, and eventually destroyed by fire. However, nothing living was ever thrown into gehenna. Whatever the worms did not
    destroy, the fires consumed.

    But isn’t ‘hell’ the punishment a person receives for sinning? This heathen teaching was embraced by the church, who backslid from God after all the apostles had died. She became the Great Harlot, and assumed a great position over the kingdoms of this world, being responsible for the death of many true Christians (saints). To answer the question, we need to go to the beginning.

    In Genesis 2:17 God warned Adam of the penalty for disobedience, namely
    physical death. He did not say, “and then once you’ve died, you’ll be roasted and tortured forever and ever!” No, God was clear, and He cannot lie. He stated the penalty, physical death. So after man sinned, God drove him out of the Garden, and away from the life sustaining fruit that had kept him alive and in perfect condition. It was a result of being banished that man began the dying process. This process effected his complete being (physical, mental, and psychological). Because he was created in God’s image (i.e., created as a morally-conscious being), due to his superior brain, man also had a conscience. When man started to die, and suffered the effects of imperfection, and he sinned, and he did so knowingly. This is the essence of the sin nature. So Adam, now imperfect in this dying condition, could only bring forth imperfect offspring. In other words, his descendants inherited both the physical imperfections leading to
    death, and the inclination to sin (sin nature). They were doomed. They were going to die, and there was nothing that they could do about it, and they would sin, and there was nothing that they could do about it. Adam’s descendants didn’t end up dying because of their own sins, but because of the penalty imposed on Adam for his disobedience. It effected the entire race of mankind, and man was helpless to remedy the situation. However, God’s plan involved sending Jesus to die for the world (not for merely a select group, not just for Christians who were fortunate during their lives to hear the Gospel message and then respond to it favorably). Jesus was sent to die for all men (John 3:16, 1 John 2:2; Rom. 5:18,19). The only way to deliver mankind from the death
    sentence, was for a perfect man (who did not deserve to die) to willingly lay down his own perfect life for the perfect man Adam, who did deserve to die. Jesus was that perfect man. This is the meaning of the Ransom that many have lost sight of and no longer preach. When Jesus died, it secured the release of Adam and all of his descendants who received the death sentence through him. The Bible declares that there shall be a resurrection of both the ‘just’ (that is, the ‘justified,’ those Christians who are found faithful, and shall receive immortality in heaven), and the ‘unjust’ (that is, the ‘unjustified,’ the rest of mankind who died in their sins). They shall come alive into Christ’s Millennial Kingdom, in order to be instructed, tested and judged under perfect, favorable conditions. Satan will have been bound and unable to unfairly influence anyone. Matthew 25 31-46 is a picture of the sorting of those who choose godliness (sheep) from those who
    selfishly rebel against doing what is right (goats) during the thousand years. The goats will die for the second time (the second death), and there shall be no resurrection provided from that death. It will an everlasting sentence. The righteousness sheep, however, shall receive eternal life on earth at the end of the Millennium (when Jesus turns the Kingdom over to the Father). The world will then be inhabited by perfect, loving human beings, who will have learned a valuable lesson of God’s love and the disastrous results of disobeying God’s righteous and just laws. They shall live forever in a paradise earth. God’s plan is clearly written in the Bible, and open to be seen by those who diligently seek to know the truth.

    “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Adam received the sentence of death, but Jesus redeemed us by His blood. Let us take advantage of that new life which He has given us, by dedicating ourselves to God, and to the truth of His Word. May He say unto you, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Enter now into the joy of thy Lord.” Matt. 25:21.

  • Alfred Hardy

    Well i agree with the posts below, you really don’t seem to have a very watertight argument, if you even have one at all. Don’s experience seemed to line right up with what i’ve learn about love, life, god, christianity, spirituality, etc… I think he was a witness.

    I wonder about your motivations, when ads are popping up on your site i wonder, love/god or money/dollars? hmmm…..

  • Becca Bankston

    All of you should read “The Scalpel and The Soul”. Its written by a neurosurgeon and he has documented proof of a woman who was clinically brain dead for over 30 minutes being able to recall the conversations of the surgical staff and he knows that she was not “hallucinating” because they had a monitor on her brain the whole time and there was no brain activity whatsoever while they were operating. Her soul was floating above her body and she was watching the whole operation and listening to the surgeons and nurses talk about an upcoming wedding. She was able to recall all the conversation later after the surgery. We all have souls and they live with or without a body. And there is an afterlife in a heavenly place whether you are a Christian or not. This heavenly place exists for all. Argue as you like against it. Its the same as arguing against gravity. It is still there nonetheless.

    • Natalie A Parkerson

      Becca that was really, really beautiful written and right on. I’m aware of that story and numerous other accounts where surgeons and physicians have documented that same case scenarios. It’s so obvious and so right in front of us that it would be nothing short of deranged to argue or oppose t
      hese stories. You’re a terrific writer Becca and clearly a brilliant gal. Bravo.


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