Hearth of Hellenism: Anti-Hellenism in the Pagan Community

Hearth of Hellenism: Anti-Hellenism in the Pagan Community August 12, 2019

“We are overdue for a conversation about anti-Hellenism in the pagan community.”

Last month the Twitterverse was buzzing with heated conversation which drove me to write this entry for the Hearth of Hellenism, which is about anti-Hellenic attitudes in the pagan community. This entry builds on an earlier post, Who Defines Hellenism, where I first addressed negative attitudes directed towards Greeks. First, I need lay down some ground material and explain ethnic tradition yet again because it is often misunderstood.

The Greek Gods are universal. Public domain photo by Carole Raddato via Wikimedia.

“Do you believe only ethnic Greeks can worship the Gods?” I am asked this a lot. My answer, which is representative of our tradition is: the Greek Gods are universal (they rule the whole Cosmos) and as such, worshiping Them has no ethnic prerequisite. You cannot gatekeep their worship; the Gods cannot be owned by anyone. This is the universal aspect of the Greek tradition (Ελληνική παράδοση). The ethnic aspect, what makes Hellenism an ethnic religion is its characteristics:

It is Indigenous. Its theology and religious practices were developed, through the millennia in this specific geographical area were the Hellenic Nation lived freely, as a unique religion specific to the character of the place and its people.

It is Natural. It developed logically and naturally through the systematic observation of the Cosmos, by countless enlightened and spiritual individuals who practiced continuously in approaching and understanding the divine.

It is Organic. It is not a religion which is separated from the common people and served by a professional priesthood.  From the dawn of time until today it is an integral and organic part of the entire political and cultural substance of the Hellenes.

It is Polytheistic. It accepts the natural law of the requisite multiplicity of “Being.”

It is Ethnic in Nature.  It recognizes its own specific ethnic Pantheon and its own unique body of cosmological narratives, reflecting its worldview, the ways and the tradition of the nation of the Hellenes.

The last characteristic, ‘ethnic in nature’ explains in simple terms that Hellenism is ethnic in that it reflects the worldview of the Hellenes; the Hellenic ethos. These characteristics are what make Hellenism and other polytheistic or indigenous traditions ‘natural religions’ as opposed to ‘revelatory religions.’

Natural religions understand the diversity and multiplicity that Nature demands. Photo by kareni via Pixabay.

In Hellenic Ethnic Religion: Theology and Practice, we read:

The truth of natural religions is intellectual. Humans understand the divine through the intellect that connects them. The truth of founded religions is revelatory, which means that the divine was revealed to a certain chosen people or a chosen person. Because of their distinct difference in the nature of the truth that each type of religion upholds, it is unavoidable that they behave very differently.

Natural religions understand the diversity and multiplicity that Nature demands and each one of them is content with the people that accept it, without looking to expand into other populations that already follow another religion. In other words, natural religions accept the concepts about the divine of other nations and regard them as true in the framework of that nation’s tradition.

It is my observation that the vast majority of contemporary pagans are operating outside the context of the characteristics and nature of a ‘natural religion’ and operating with a high reliance of ‘revelation.’  As a Greek, I operate to the best of my ability from tradition in the context of the Greek ethos (the characteristics which make it Greek) instead of various other means, for example, ideas from the New Religious Movements of the last several decades.

Because of this vast divide between the Greek ethos and everything else, there will be clashes in conversations because of our different vocabularies. Many who do not understand our positions assume we are ‘gatekeeping’ access to the Gods when we are only speaking from and passing on the ethos to others for consideration. Access to the Gods is not being restricted; what we are doing is keeping out ideologies, vocabulary, etc. that are incompatible with the tradition and the misassociation of those ideologies as the representative and authentic in the Hellenic ethos.

Hestia, Dione, and Aphrodite, Parthenon east pediment. Public domain photo by Marie-Lan Nguyen via Wikimedia.

If someone earnestly desires to learn and practice Hellenism (and claim their path to be Hellenism proper), then the appropriate outlook (ethos) is required. If you reject the ethos, please, by all means, continue along in your path, but don’t call it Hellenism. Massive kudos must be given to polytheist Kaye Boesme, after engaging in the Twitter conversations, she coined and adopted a new term “Hellenistic Syncretic Polytheism” to describe what she does:

“It means that I worship Greek gods, engage with philosophy and theology, and yet maintain some practices, outlooks, and fusions of all of the above with my root culture; it’s different from the religion practiced by Greek orgs like YSEE or LABRYS even though some/many of the ritual practices may look the same.”

All this has been laid out because in those Twitter conversations, not everyone was able to have the same understanding as Kaye. The Twitter threads revolved around the issue of personal experiences and the idea that the “Gods call whom they call.” This is a concept which is stressed frequently by pagans, the concept being that the reason people might feel they need a divine invitation is because it may be assumed that they are not welcomed to worship in the first place. Divine experience is invoked to provide legitimacy, as pointed out by a Hindu who commented on the thread:

“I can also see why this idea can be heart breaking for many pagan revivalists in the West. Being in a very protestant/atheistic culture, they have to keep justifying their traditions. They invariably have to resort to experience as a valid defense of their beliefs and practices.” Akash (@HeathenIndian)

Which makes sense; if you are an American in the United States, for example, and someone finds out you are pagan, they will probably ask why. The most likely acceptable response that someone could give would be to explain their spiritual experiences, their feeling of “being called” or “chosen” that made them follow a pagan path. When someone asks me why I am a polytheist I do not have to invoke spiritual experiences as justification. Personal experience is also heavily relied on in New Religious Movements, a counter to religious dogma.

The Triumph of Bacchus by Moyeaert. Public domain image via Wikimedia.

I, and other Greeks, reject the notion that the Gods “call us” or that they come to us and pick us to worship Them. This is a very radical statement for most pagans to hear. By rejecting the concept of “calling”, I was attacked for denying the Gods’ agency, that Gods can do whatever they want, who am I to limit them? My position is also misunderstood as gatekeeping. Advocacy for divine agency on this issue serves, I think, as a means to:

1. To remove any guilty feelings of appropriation.

It is not ‘really’ your choice, the God called on you, you are just answering Their call – don’t blame me!

My response: Worshiping Gods is not appropriation so there should be no guilty feelings.

2. To provide a personal gnosis loophole around tradition.

Personal gnosis allows many to reject outside instruction. Don’t like what someone is telling you, just say “the God told me XYZ.” Attacking someone’s gnosis/experience is argued to be an attack on the Gods who gave said experience.

My response: Tradition provides context to experiences as experience is not meant to innovate the tradition in disharmonious ways. Instruction/exegesis is offered for your benefit, to lead you to understanding within context. Instruction and exegesis should not be misread as spiritual oppression.


I’ve found the preoccupation with experiences the most peculiar thing amongst pagans. The whole “being called on” and “chosen” is disturbing to my ear as it is a very Abrahamic way to think, even if used nonliterally. Yahweh has a ‘chosen people’ and calls on individuals to do something on his behalf (Abraham and Moses for example).

In Christianity, Paul claimed to have had a vision of Jesus, resulting in his conversion to the early Jesus movement and self-appointing himself as an apostle. Prior to his conversion, he persecuted followers of Jesus. Paul became the driving force behind proselyting the Roman world because of a vision.

Another disturbing thing was how Paul forced himself into the community led by the disciples, the so-called “pillars of the church” Peter, John, and James the Just, who knew Jesus. Paul never met Jesus, but because of a vision, he felt so inclined to be treated as an equal with those who had.

Saint Paul Writing Hi Epistles, by Boulogne. Public domain image via Wikimedia.

Our Hindu interlocutor on Twitter had something to say on the whole ‘experience’ topic which mirrors the Greek ethos. Link here, but I’ve copied the text for reading convenience:

“Don’t mean to be disrespectful to anyone in the slightest sense. Just a comment as a non-scholarly lay Hindu from lived experience. Hindus rarely, if ever, talk about experiences with Gods. Yes our traditions do talk of individuals who had such experiences but such individuals were always exceptional. They left behind the most sublime divine poetry and philosophical works to inspire all to come. Of course there are individual gurus now too who claim such experiences but not necessarily accepted by all Hindus. They are indifferent.”

I responded, “[w]ait, so you mean to tell me that it is rare to find a Hindu that claims they were ‘called to service’ or ‘chosen’ by a God? Does this language exist for you?”

“Never heard of such a thing as someone grown up in India. This language does not exist for me.”

I expanded on it as some clarification was needed; we were not talking about the “awe” experience of being in a temple in front of the image of a God. I asked, “[h]ave you ever been struck with the feeling that ‘Lakshmi wants you to make an offering’ instead of you wanting to make the offering because you want to.” Their response:

“Nope that language is pretty much new to me. Perhaps a personal story will be very revealing of the Hindu mental make-up. During undergrad, our institute had heavy preaching by a very bhakti-oriented sect. One of our fellow hostelites was very influenced by them. My friends overheard him exclaiming to his mother over phone, ‘today Krishna came to me Amma!’. My friends would recount this and make fun of him in abundance. Let me assure you, these were all temple-going Hindus. Not any atheistic kind. This was because we don’t hear such things.”

I felt elated when I read all this because my exact attitudes as a Greek were reflected by a Hindu who is giving testament to their culture and tradition. The fun part was that not one person in the Twitter threads tried to rebuke the Hindu as “limiting divine agency.”

Feast of the Sea Gods, by Floris. Public domain image via Wikimedia.

I was left to wonder then, why is it that I am met with harsh resistance, when I reflect the same attitudes as a Hindu? Oh yes, I forgot, Greeks are the bastards in the pagan community with zero continuity, zero grasp on this whole Hellenism business. During the Twitter exchanges, the anti-Hellenic sentiment became visible with several blogs posts from Sannion, a self-proclaimed Orpheoteleste (specialist in Orphic rites) who described the Greeks as:

“mixed Slavic, Albanian and Turkic ancestry” “hypocritical, hairy-knuckled race-baiters” who are “pushing blood quotas.” –  Sannion, The House of Vines

This person was not involved directly in the Twitter conversations; instead, he was getting it second-hand and or skimming parts of the threads. Because of his fragmentary understanding he jumped to conclusions and his discriminatory feelings towards Greeks became visible.

In the first post “The Gods are for all” (something I also state repeatedly) the author wrote “…people on Twitter are saying that you have to have an ethnic connection to Greece to practice Hellenismos…” No one said this but he thinks we did (biases) and continued with “funny how their arguments haven’t really changed much in all that time. But not as funny as people with mixed Slavic, Albanian and Turkic ancestry pushing blood quotas. (Yeah, as a lover of all things Greek I’ve read my Byzantine and Ottoman histories too; I know the dirty laundry you’d rather not be aired you hypocritical, hairy-knuckled race-baiters.)”

In his subsequent posts “Fuck off, racists!”, “Can you smell what’s cooking? Hint: it’s not baklava”, and “There are Black people in Nysa” the author attacks myself and another ethnic Greek as being racists because he is unable to read Twitter threads properly and, as far as I can tell, assumes we are being exclusionary on racial grounds, which is not the case. The author attempted to end his tirade on a sweet note with “Lick my cannoli”:

“Chill, dude. Chill. I take back whatever I said about your precious baklava.” “Plus, well, cannoli is a vastly superior dessert. That’s just the way things are. The sooner you accept this fact the happier you’ll be. Now just imagine how happy you’d be if you let go of your racism.”

The Gardens of Adonis, by Weguelin. Public domain image via Wikimedia.

Under the comment section of “Fuck off, racists” the following comment was left by his wife Galina Krasskova:

“Their people rejected the Gods in favor of orthodox Christianity. Those Gods aren’t theirs anymore. Their people broke their contracts with the Gods and now they want that back, but only on their terms? That’s like spitting on the Gods all over again and puts them in no different a position than people who honor the Hellenic Gods anywhere else in the world.

You aren’t better than anyone else because of your blood. Try standing on your own accomplishments. History hurts, doesn’t it?”

“Those Gods aren’t theirs anymore” sounds more like something a Christian would write instead of a pagan. Early Christian rhetoric was effective at delegitimizing both Jews and Greeks from their respective traditions in order to become the new chosen people and authoritative representatives.   I have never seen such explicitly vile anti-Hellenic comments and attitudes in the pagan community before. Everyone should be aware of these sentiments and combat them when they see it.

Unlike the folkish pagans that use ethnicity to exclude people, Hellenism doesn’t operate that way. Anyone who wishes to adopt the tradition along with the ethos is welcomed. The issue with this is that there are people who do not want Greeks to represent the ethos of our own tradition. Somehow Greeks are getting in the way of the other pagans because we express perspectives from a context not always easily explainable with a citation?

Maybe unbeknownst to us, Greeks are ruining all the fun because our ethos doesn’t match up with what is normative in paganism.  I am starting to see why few Greeks engage in direct conversation with pagans, because we get attacked for simply speaking from our ethos and providing exegesis from that ethos. It is very sad that unlike Hindus, the Greeks are only authentic after consultation with the proper academic scholars’ sources.

Wolves and lamb. Photo by Momentmal via Pixabay.

I will end this with the fable of the Wolf and the Lamb:

A stray Lamb stood drinking early one morning on the bank of a woodland stream. That very same morning a hungry Wolf came by farther up the stream, hunting for something to eat. He soon got his eyes on the Lamb. As a rule, Mr. Wolf snapped up such delicious morsels without making any bones about it, but this Lamb looked so very helpless and innocent that the Wolf felt he ought to have some kind of an excuse for taking its life.

“How dare you paddle around in my stream and stir up all the mud!” he shouted fiercely. “You deserve to be punished severely for your rashness!”

“But, your highness,” replied the trembling Lamb, “do not be angry! I cannot possibly muddy the water you are drinking up there. Remember, you are upstream and I am downstream.”

“You do muddy it!” retorted the Wolf savagely. “And besides, I have heard that you told lies about me last year!”

“How could I have done so?” pleaded the Lamb. “I wasn’t born until this year.”

“If it wasn’t you, it was your brother!”

“I have no brothers.”

“Well, then,” snarled the Wolf, “It was someone in your family anyway. But no matter who it was, I do not intend to be talked out of my breakfast.”

And without more words the Wolf seized the poor Lamb and carried her off to the forest.

The tyrant can always find an excuse for his tyranny.

 The unjust will not listen to the reasoning of the innocent.

About Angelo Nasios
Angelo Nasios (New York) is an author and educator of the Hellenic tradition. He received his B.A in religion and is currently earning his M.A in ancient and classical history. You can read more about the author here.

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