What Does Being A Disciple of Jesus Mean?

What Does Being A Disciple of Jesus Mean? March 10, 2017

What does it mean to be a disciple of Jesus Christ? Why are we to make disciples of others?

What is a Disciple?

Jesus warned those who were not willing to pay the price of following Him by saying, “any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:33), so what is a disciple so that we may be sure that we are one of His disciples? The word disciple comes from the Old English discipul which comes from the Latin discipulus, meaning, “pupil, student, follower,” and said to be from discere which means “to learn” from and where we get the word “discern. ” This comes from the root word, dek which means “to take, accept,” so as the disciples were instructed to take up and follow what Jesus Christ told us to do (i.e. Matt 28:18-20), so being a disciple means being a student, learner, or pupil. Obviously, being a disciple is being a student or learner of Christ, but the discipleship class for believers will never end until the day of their death or when Jesus Christ returns to judge the world. A person that is a disciple of Jesus is someone called to live “in” Christ, be equipped to live “like” Christ, and sent to live “for” Christ. Our calling includes salvation and abiding in Christ (John 8:31-32), but the church equips the saints in their spiritual formation and growth into Christ-likeness (2nd Timothy 3:16–17). When Jesus told the disciples to make disciples of all nations, He was telling them to teach others the very same things that He had taught them. Discipling others includes loving God, but also loving our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 28:18-20, John 15:8, John 13:33-35). That’s the way Jesus lived. God doesn’t want any more religious people (remember the Pharisees?). He wants disciples after His own heart, with the express purpose of being more like Christ, and helping others know Christ in order that they might be saved to become more like Christ. That is discipleship.

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Being a Disciple

A person that’s truly committed will do almost anything that’s humanly possible to keep their commitment, and that’s just what Jesus is looking for. You can’t be half in or half out. You (and I) must be “all in!” A lot of people said they would follow Jesus, but they kept coming up with different excuses, some of which didn’t even make sense (Luke 9:57-61), so Jesus warned them, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62). We must “Commit [our] way to the LORD; trust in him, and he will act” (Psalm 37:5). To be a disciple of Christ’s you must study His textbook, the Bible. It would be like enlisting a man or woman in the Army and not telling them how to load and shoot their gun. The risk of not discipling new believers is that they will almost always become lukewarm in their faith, stop growing in their faith, become worldlier in behavior, and then live out a hypocritical life as a “Christian.” I know. I was proof of that! For this reason alone, anything less than a plan to disciple every willing person is going to be a catastrophic moral failure. Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote a book on the cost of being a disciple of Jesus, and then had to live out that teaching by necessity. Ultimately, the cost of being a disciple of Christ was his death in a Nazi prison camp! Dietrich Bonhoeffer desired to be a disciple of Christ and then entered into the sufferings of Christ. Paul says, that’s what He desired in order “that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death” (Phil 3:10). That’s exactly what the Paul and Bonhoeffer faced. Bonhoeffer wise said, “When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die.” This was literally true for him.

Dying to Self

Christianity without discipleship is always Christianity without Christ. Those are the words of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, as a true disciple will put their hand to the plow and not look back (Luke 9:62), and as they will grow in Christ, and they will become increasingly unsatisfied with anything less than His call and character. This is a 24/7 call and not just for Sundays. We are the last ones on earth that we typically want to deny. We often don’t want to deny our flesh, our desires, or our passions, but we must give it all up for His sake if we really want to be a disciple of His. Today, if the rich young ruler came to our church, would we welcome him and ask him to sit on our church board or financial committee or be our treasurer, or would we ask him, what is most precious to you? Actually, Who is most precious to you? Here’s a view of those who would qualify to be one of Jesus’ disciples:

They had no financial clout.

They had no formal theological training.

They were young.

They were middle class citizens, fishermen, and plain old country folks (Acts 4:13).

They were a diverse group.

They were not affluent.

They had no power in society.

They would have been unqualified to be a Pharisee.

Peter was brash. John was given to anger (calling fire down from heave!?), Thomas was full of doubt. Matthew was politically conservative, Simon was radical….and so on. Those who are looked down upon by society are often the ones Jesus calls. Are you qualified to be a disciple of Christ?

Conclusion

To be a disciple of Jesus is more than just making a decision. Jesus said, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26), and “Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27). Of course, we’re not supposed to hate anyone, but Jesus is speaking in hyperbole or using an extreme example to emphasize His point. Who is first in their life? Is it seeking the kingdom of God first, which means seeking the King of that kingdom first (Matt 6:33)? How desperate are they to become more like Christ, even if it means to suffer for Christ? Those are questions a disciple of Christ would ask. Where is my cross that I might take it up and follow Christ?

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    Again simple jack….”jesus” never said anything, never wrote anything, never left behind anything. There is NO extabiblical evidence that he ever existed at all. I don’t understand why this FACT is so difficult for you. The buybull is a story book jack, written by primitive men and codified by a primitive church. It is a rip off of previous cults whose stories preceded yours by many hundreds of years. There is nothing new or original in your mythology. What mental illness prevents you from honest research, critical thinking and rational thought?

    The “cross” is easily the sickest icon you and your cult revere. Human sacrifice by a god to himself in this bizarre trinity/spirit/human/divine threesome your cult has created is disgusting on the surface and demented throughout. To even a simple rational mind it only shows how impotent and stupid your “god” is…how haphazard, petty, confused and bumbling. You are so lost you can’t even see that you make a mockery of the “almighty” who hasn’t been able to get anything right since your kind created him.

    You live in an alternate reality jack. Willfully delusional and fanatically consumed by things that so easily can be shown to be nonsense and absurd, contradictory and wicked. Worse you peddle this nonsense and corrupt children with all your notions of self loathing and worship of a moral monster. Tragic jack…you probably could have been a decent if simple member of society doing something productive with your life instead of wasting it all with bronze age idiocy.

  • pud

    The horror of religion and the evolution of reason. “Morality is doing the right thing no matter what you’re told. Religion is doing what you’re told no matter if it’s right”

    A very comprehensive exposition of the absurd religious, development of religious cults and the birth and evolution of reason in the face of religious barbarity…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQs1nwrg0F8

  • pud

    Intelligence and reason demolish infantile religion….no sane person can listen to this compilation and come away still wanting to “believe” in the absurd and the ridiculous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO2NSGfwMkA

    • Lyn Marti

      Therefore God has also highly exalted Him and
      given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus
      every knee should bow, of those in heaven and of those on earth, and
      those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus
      Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:5-11) IT IS FINISHED AMEN THANKYOU JESUS!!!

      • pud

        Still no demons…mabye you need to kill your first born to satisfy the lord?

        • Lyn Marti

          לַמְנַצֵּ֗חַ לְדָ֫וִ֥ד אָ֘מַ֤ר נָבָ֣ל בְּ֭לִבֹּו אֵ֣ין אֱלֹהִ֑ים הִֽשְׁחִ֗יתוּ הִֽתְעִ֥יבוּ עֲלִילָ֗ה אֵ֣ין עֹֽשֵׂה־טֹֽוב׃

          • pud

            Whoo Hooo!! That did it!! There are demons running all over the place!! One of them is playing guitar and another one did my dishes!

          • Lyn Marti

            is your mind drawing a blank?! why dont you argue your stupid demonic theology with me? How is it that God would come in the flesh and pay for your sins, so that, you could be free from all those nasty demons that torment you all the time? He did it for you!

          • pud

            I don’t have any “theology” Only lunatics do. How about you explain to me the physics behind a “god” becoming “flesh”

          • Lyn Marti

            Τίς γὰρ ἔγνω νοῦν κυρίου ἢ τίς σύμβουλος αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο

          • pud
          • Lyn Marti

            and fyi atheism is a religious belief aka theology…but you are sooo smart you must have known that already right?

          • pud

            No it isn’t. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. Period.

          • Lyn Marti

            Something is a religion if it has a position on the divine and/or the afterlife.

          • pud

            ‘A’ ‘theism’ literally means without theism. It is nothing more or less than the lack of belief in a deity. You are an “atheist” in regards to Zeus. Every human being is born without “belief” and thus “atheism” is the natural default position

          • Lyn Marti

            its a double negative, yet it is having a position on the subject of the divine and/or afterlife which make it a “faith” or “religion” . Where did you get your name pud? from the urban dictionary lol… you dont have a very high opinion of yourself to give yourself that name dear but then again you believe *you came from a monkey and i wont disagree with you there 😛

          • pud

            No it isn’t. Atheists do not believe in a deity or an afterlife and that’s it. You better beg the lord for forgiveness for prowling the naughty urban dictionary…sinner!

            We did not come from monkeys. Apes and monkeys diverged from a common ancestor. We are more properly called apes as we are more directly related. The difference is primarily the lack of a tail. Monkeys have tails where apes do not. We are all primates.

          • Lyn Marti

            hahaha… you did get it from the urban dictionary and you certainly do live up to your name pud 😀 Now back to the subject of *your *Faith in atheism. One has to have “Fatih”and/or religion to believe that there is no God because in fact you cannot prove it so it is in fact a *belief not a fact as you know… because you are legalistic so you wont deny the truth amen thankyou Jesus

          • Lyn Marti

            and yes you are correct i am a sinner that is precisely why i need a savior and so do you. He loved us enough to pay for all our sins so that we can be free and healed and protected. You were hurt as a child i know, you likely grew up in a christian home also i would suspect.

          • pud

            Nope..did not suffer child abuse in a religious home growing up.

            You “know” no such things. You “believe” nonsense

            Self loathing is a cornerstone of your cult….the christian tyrants rely on convincing you that you’re sick and filthy and then they offer you the cure for the low low price of your critical faculties

          • Lyn Marti

            see the reason i believe that you were hurt as a child is because you have alot of demonic attachements which usually come from trama but you are correct it could come generationally passed down to you. The other part about christian home was only suspected on my part as i said otherwise why would you study the scriptures only to *try to spend most of your time debating them on christian blogs and videos. Evidently you dont hold a job or a purpose yet, but you will God has a special purpose for all the time you have spent learning His word 🙂 hehe

          • pud

            In actuality I am an “anti-theist” Religion is my enemy. I seek to eliminate it so that the civilized world will be free of the mental shackles religion enslaves people with.

            You make too many assumptions. I have a business…this is my hobby. I’d like to free you from the guilt and shame your cult has cursed you with. I aim to rid the world of superstitious nonsense and primitive barbaric theocratic barbarism. I am well versed in the evils religions have perpetrated on humanity through the ages and I consider it my duty as an enlightened man to at least try to bring you into the light of reason.

          • Lyn Marti

            I am also well versed and I have a helper so im at an advantage already, you are a defeated foe im afraid and we have not even as yet exchanged a simple debate on scripture. I did read some of your foolishness and weak arguments which i wanted to reply but you were blinded by your demonic attachments. Science can’t disprove the existence of God in spite of your foolish claims my love

          • pud

            We “prove” things via “rational argument”

            1. It is actually incumbent upon you who makes the claim that some invisible deity exists to “prove” your claim

            2. I can demonstrate through “rational argument” that your “god” cannot “exist”

            Define “god”

            Define “exist”

            Then I’ll show you how you’re delusional, indoctrinated and wrong in your imaginary “beliefs”

          • Lyn Marti

            this silly form of circular reasoning proves nothing except that you are a child and have a need to set up the rules of the game so that you can win it. cute but immature

          • pud

            It is not circular reasoning. I am making a claim that I can demonstrate that no “god” can “exist” In order to compose a rational argument the exact definition of terms is needed. Otherwise anything I say will be directed at vague terms that may not be the correct description you perceive.

          • Lyn Marti

            i disagree, In fact its obvious looking into the stars tonight, that *You are in fact
            incumbent to prove that God did *not create/spoke that majesty into
            existence, all hanging out there *on nothing *from nothing, as He said
            He did. And please use your science to prove as that is your god at the
            moment.

          • Lyn Marti

            or perhaps you can use the human eye and prove that God did not create the human eye even Darwin admitted his defeat with the human eye dear

          • pud

            No stupid. Darwin did no such thing. Again…if you claim that a “god” made the eye then YOU must provide evidence that supports this claim. Did your “god” make the ebola virus too?

          • Lyn Marti

            From the Origin of Species, CHAPTER VI–DIFFICULTIES OF THE THEORY
            “Organs of extreme Perfection and
            Complication. To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable
            contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for
            admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of
            spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural
            selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree…” Charles Dummy Darwinn even had enough sense to say that… amidst his demonic doctrines of demons

          • pud
          • Lyn Marti

            He did say it, he had a moment of yikes wow how can what im saying be real… not wrong at all. it was one of the most accurate things he wrote yes had to take it out of context because all the rest of the context was bs obviously where are all those transitional fossils???? the transitional fossil eater must have gotten to them allllll wow THERE IS NO EVOLUTION OUTSIDE OF A *KIND…
            the bible does say that there is GMO’s tho… yes genetically modified organisms did you know that?! IT DOES! IN GENESIS!

          • pud

            READ his entire entry instead of cherry picking the first bit. Makes you either a lunatic or a deceptive liar when you cherry pick. I provided the link to the entire entry…try reading and thinking before making assumptions.

          • Lyn Marti

            ok pud, all transitional absolutely rediculas evidently you do not understand the term or you would not say something so stupid. im done pud later man i tried remember that http://christianfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/athfleaist-2Bconvention.jpg

          • pud

            You failed. Miserably. And all the demons your prayed for left a ton of empty beer bottles lying around! LOL

          • pud

            Every fossil IS a transitional fossil! You are a transitional creature. All creatures are transitional. You really are willfully ignorant, stupid or lazy. If you want to view the MULTITUDE of “transitional fossils” just google it! There are tons! This is one of my favorites!
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik

            Evolution is a FACT

            Pick one topic at a time and I’ll demonstrate to your satisfaction that every religious bent on it is absurd

          • Lyn Marti

            even world renown scientists agree evolution is a “theory”. Remember pud, “the THEORY of evolution” you learned. The stupidity ends here pud. It is not a fact just because you say so how rediculas… the world according to pud hahaha the world does not rotate around you pud… there are NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS DEAR none not even one… so read it and weep. You are a fool the bible says you are a fool for not believing in God the heaven declare GOD EXISTS NOONE CAN DENY IT… and you WILL bow your knee to Jesus one day like it or not. Then you will go directly to a terrible place to pay for your sin and for all the harm you have caused. Your deprevity is demonstrated by your vile prideful degrading childish name calling now go back to your bunky little business im sure you have never converted one christian to your false beliefs stop wasting your life trying that is STUPID!!!

          • pud

            Yep, you are willfully ignorant and blissfully happy being so

            “Theory” is THE highest level in science. It contains FACTS and is a comprehensive explanation of a phenomenon that combines measurable FACTS into a cohesive explanation with predictive capabilities. The “theory” of gravity explains the phenomenon of gravity and uses the FACT of gravity to make predictions…this is how we can launch satellites into orbit so you can write your gibberish on the internet!

            You could KNOW this by a simple google search and you wouldn’t make such ignorant dumb statements in the future

          • pud

            Hundreds of “non existent” transitional fossils! LOL

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

          • pud

            I’m going to bed NOW. Ask me any pointed clear question and I’ll explain it to you tomorrow.

            bye for now

          • pud

            Science is a methodology not a “god” It is a means of discovering the how and why of things. Nothing more.

            For the last time….The person who makes the claim has the burden of proof. No matter what. If you claim something to be true it is up to you to demonstrate how you KNOW it to be true. It is not the burden of the doubter to disprove your claim…although I am prepared to do so when you accurately define “god” and “exist”

          • Lyn Marti

            For the last time child… The person who makes the claim that the stars just showed up one day by chance or doesnt have a scientific fact to back up where those stars came from is obviously trying to set the rules of the game so that he doesnt have to prove anything in his hand. You are the one TROLLING CHRISTIAN SITES NOT ME. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS WITH YOU. Your pathetic insults also prove your immaturity and your level of intelligence.

          • pud

            Stupid…I make no such claim. No rational person makes such a claim. The ONLY one who “claims” that the “stars just showed up” is YOU! The delusional, ignorant theist who CLAIMS without evidence that an invisible “god” spoke them into existence! LOL

            By the way, speaking things into existence is magic. Do you “believe” in magic? You need to be stoned if you do witch. LOL

            I’m going to bed now. If you are looking for a way out of your death cult I’d be happy to help you. We can pick this up tomorrow if you like.

            I’m not trolling. I’m showing readers the absurdities of religious cults and the dementia of their thought processes in the hopes they can throw off the shackles of their fear and guilt based indoctrination and rejoin the wonderful rational world I inhabit

            Gnite

          • pud

            No, “He” did not say anything. Men wrote a story book saying this or that. Men. A story book.

            Explain the physics of “speaking things into existence” LOL

            MAGIC!! Do you “believe” in magic? Incantations? Seems you do

          • Lyn Marti

            sound science we are just beginning to see… here you go meg…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at50acNlke8

            but you are the one that should have provided me that dear

          • pud

            Read the comments you silly gullible thing. LOL

            K1naku5ana3R1ka1 year ago
            Enough of this New Age garbage. What’s happening is that the vibrations from the actuators or whatever it is are being transmitted through the plate and reflecting off the sides. Where peaks meet or valleys meet, the waves interfere constructively, so the vibration is greater in magnitude and the sand is shaken off those areas. However, where a peak and a valley, or multiple peaks and valleys meet, they interfere destructively, so the vibration is very small and the sand gathers there. It has nothing to do with this granola girl hippie stoner New Age nonsense about consciousness and healing and such; it is simply wave physics and interference. Go to physics class, idiot.

          • Lyn Marti
          • pud

            Dumb. Science doesn’t deal in “proofs” it deals in probabilities. If the fleas had language they most likely could have demonstrated that they resided on a dog.

          • pud

            Why don’t you reply to one of my “weak arguments” …just one.

            The burden of “proof” dummy rests upon the one who makes the positive claim. We do not have to “disprove” the existence of invisible pink unicorns living on the moon…the person who claims that invisible pink unicorns live on the moon has the burden of proof.

            Try thinking more and typing less

          • Sam Andrew

            “Religion is my enemy. I seek to eliminate it so that the civilized world will be free of the mental shackles religion enslaves people with.”
            Interesting, so could the essence of your perspective be stated as the conviction that mankind will never be truly free to progress and uphold the core values of reason and science until the last stone from the last church is cast down onto the last priest?

          • pud

            Until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. lol

          • pud

            Never visited but you have sinner..REPENT! BEG!

            No stupid…non belief in anything is not a claim. Non belief in unicorns doesn’t require “faith”…one simply doesn’t hold a position. You cannot have “faith” in non belief dummy.

            I can however prove that no “god” does or can “exist”

            I let one of the demons use the shitter…whoa! Have you ever made that mistake? Yikes!

          • Jack Wellman

            Thank you Lyn. I feel so badly for Pud as she has no excuse as she is simply suppressing the knowledge of God (Rom 1:18-20) and I am praying for her.

          • pud

            Wrong. You keep wallowing in that book, believing all the nonsense within it….sad. Your “prayers” will fall on deaf ears like every “prayer” ever uttered. You’ve wasted your entire life jack

          • pud

            No such thing as the “divine” or an “afterlife” has ever been demonstrated to exist.

            How much should I tip the demons for doing the house cleaning? 20%?

  • pud

    Human sacrifice….a totally IMMORAL act. Yet it remains the absolute bedrock of the christian cult and something you MUST believe under penalty of eternal torture. Only an immoral credulous delusional person could subscribe to this hideous ideology as primitive as its pagan roots.

    “What is it like to make a living lying to children?”….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9cw2pb0ok

    • Lyn Marti

      LET ALL DEMONS ATTACHED TO PUD READ EVERY SINGLE WORD OF ROMANS 8 NOW IN JESUS NAME AMEN HOT coals from tartarus fill the mouths of all the demons attached to pud now IN JESUS NAME AMEN, let any that open their mouths now be put on public display in tartarus, let all curses and death and destruction spoken by pud be reversed upon his demons own heads now 70×7 in Jesus Name amen Lord touch puds eyes, LET PUD see all the demons attached to him/her now Let now be them time that PUD is brought down to their knees in repentance and conversion Where the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord sets up a standard against him thankyou Jesus amen You Are Mighty And Awesome and GOOD YOUR WORD IS TRUE PTL JESUS 🙂

      • pud

        EEEEEEEEEEEEE!! it burns!! LOL! Yeah, you’re not a lunatic….whoa

        • Lyn Marti

          “Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.” (Colossians 2:15)

          “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8) thankyou Jesus amen!

          • pud

            Sorry…demons night off

          • Lyn Marti

            Isa 14:13-15 For thou
            hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt
            my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount
            of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will
            ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most
            High. Yet thou
            shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. AMEN THANKYOU JESUS

          • pud

            bla bla bla…you’re boring …bye…double up on your meds

          • Lyn Marti

            Hebrews 4:12:

            “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-

            edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a

            discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

            John 8:32:

            “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Lord let now be the time pud is brought to his knees in repentance and salvation i ask thankyou Jesus amen 🙂

            “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
            out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this he spake
            of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive)” John
            7:38-39The Holy Spirit is living water! He falls like rain (both the
            former and latter rains). He springs up like a well within thirsting
            believers. And His life is poured out as a flood upon the world –
            like streams in the desert!
            AMEN (means let it be so 😉 )THANKYOU JESUS!

          • pud

            Nothing fails like prayer! Oh wait…wait……nevermind it was just gas

    • Monty

      Pud, I knew someone like you. He could not even decide what name he would use to lie to Christians. He knew every Anglican church in Sydney and would regularly front up in order to beg food and money. He thought this was a great joke. I met him from time to time at Teen Challenge where he would come to tell us how pathetic we are. The last time I saw him he was in tears, of joy, not sorrow. he had quit fighting God and accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour. I’ve never seen a greater change in a person. I moved away from Sydney not long after. You can remain in your bitterness and hate or you can repent and accept the truth that Jesus Christ, Gods’ Son, died for you, a helpless sinner. All you have to lose is your pride, arrogance, rebellion and hatred. I would hate to be you, pud. It does not have to be this way.

      • pud

        Well lad you don’t know me and haven’t a clue but that rarely stops you christian cultists from making stuff up.

        Conversion stories are usually like that….Messed up on drugs one day, messed up on the lord the next. It’s all part of an addictive personality type and a mind that isn’t sound to begin with

        I have no bitterness and I have no hate…I do have contempt for your cult and all religions mostly because you lie to children and infect the rational world though the voting booth. If you were silently stupid I wouldn’t care at all

        There is no “god” No son of “god” No “god/son/spirit” etc etc

        You BELIEVE this nonsense but you KNOW nothing of the sort

        • Monty

          So why do you keep coming to this site? You know that not even you believe the rubbish that comes out of your keyboard. As a fellow called job said, “I know that my Redeemer lives”. You cannot change my mind because I know the truth and the truth has set me free. Truth is a Person and His name is Jesus.

          • pud

            Think of it this way…If someone wanted to help alcoholics would he go to a church or a bar? This is a delusional religious bar and I come here to try and help some of you lost people who have been indoctrinated and conned into crafting your life around a demonstrable falsehood. Religion poisons everything and the sooner it is eradicated the better the human race will be. I’m just trying to do my small part.

            You KNOW no such thing about Job, who said what if anything, if such a person existed, if what was written was just a story or not. Babbling “Truth is a person and his name is jesus” is a moronic thing to say if you cannot even demonstrate that he or any “god” actually exists at all! You just “believe” because you want to “believe” not because you care about what’s true….You don’t care about truth at all or you would be asking critical questions.

            You are indoctrinated into a cult. You think with a cult members mind. You can’t see the logic of my arguments because you don’t care to. You have blinders on and your fingers in your ears.

            Tell me…If you had been born in Saudi Arabia which “god” would you be worshiping? Or India? Or you were born a Blackfoot indian? It would not be gentle jesus meek and mild would it? Why is that?

          • Monty

            “There are more things in heaven and earth, pud, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” I snitched that from one Will Shakespeare. I was raised by a mother who was into witchcraft and God hating, atheist father. I agree, hating God and being an atheist makes no sense at all. I am far from a product of my environment. It’s obvious that you have no interest in reality and truth. It’s sad for you. You will find out how wrong you are one day and that will be tragic. In the meantime, we real Christians are full of love, joy and peace. We are alive! You are dead in trespass and sin.

          • pud

            OH NO! The “believe” the nonsense or suffer for eternity!! How loving a “god” you have! LOL You don’t even see the ridiculousness of this contradiction do you?

            We are all products of our environment. Our genetics and our environment…period.

            Answer my questions…

            How do you KNOW if something is “true” or “untrue”?

        • Monty

          You lose, pud, even though you imagine that you win. Proverbs says,
          “Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
          that he not be wise in his own eyes.” It’s way too late for that. You’ve resisted and opposed the truth and I will not descend to your level. “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will also be like him.” You won’t be hearing from me again.

          • pud

            It’s not about winning it’s about what is actually true. You have swallowed some cults doctrine without any critical analysis whatsoever. It is you who loses in that regard. You are the fool because you are fooling yourself every time you forsake your critical rational faculties and simply buy into someone else’s philosophy or world view.

            Tell me exactly how you arrive at what is true and what is not. You won’t or can’t because in reality truth doesn’t matter to you…feel good is what matters. That is how all cults operate. They forbid critical thinking and questioning of their doctrine. They purposefully label those who question their beliefs heretics and dismiss the most rational arguments put forward.

            In truth, you believe what you do because you just want to believe. It has nothing to do with what is real or what is actually truthful.

            cheers!

  • Sam Andrew

    What it looks like to be a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth seems to change a lot in terms of key focus areas. In the 2nd-3rd Centuries being a disciple, for many, was about replicating Jesus rejection from society and suffering, leading to many Christians openly flouting Roman laws to get themselves Martyred, and once they were tolerated, retiring to the desert as the earliest monks to be free of the world and martyr themselves in a less literal way. In the middle ages to be a disciple of Jesus was increasingly to follow the doctrines of the Catholic or Orthodox church, participating in many things modern protestants would regard as superstitious, e.g. icon veneration, pilgrimages to saints relics and holidays. As the protestant reformation came underway a good disciple was seen as someone acting out a more cut own modest faith. In the 19th century it became increasingly about progressing social causes leading to the 20th and increased political activity around civil rights etc. The exact day to day of a disciple changes so much with the culture and historic period a given Christian lives in, and the emphasis on the core areas identified in the article seems to shift…and here in the 21st century it seems the different viewpoints on what a disciple is about are more stark especially comparing what discipleship means in practical terms for a progressive versus more fundamentalist, let alone Catholic, Christian.

  • Monty

    Well said, Jack. The biggest problem for real believers is the “how” of following Christ. Not so many Christians are aware of the mighty power that dwells within them. it is not a “thing”, it is a Person! Lord Jesus lives within us to be both the motivation and the enabling to live the real Christian life. When we strive in our own strength, we fail. God expects nothing else from us. Lord Jesus came that we might have “Zoe” life, eternal life that Adam could have received in Eden. Adam blew it. Knowing the right thing to do does not empower us to do it. Lord Jesus is both the “knowing” and the “enabling”. No, we do not know all things and we will certainly fail from time to time. The difference between striving to live up to an impossible standard and simply being led and empowered by the Holy Spirit is the difference between utter frustration and failure and victorious overcoming. I spent way too many years agonising over my shortcomings. Then I finally saw that I really was crucified with Christ. Why worry about a dead man? I also saw that I was raised up to be a brand new person with a new life within. My whole outlook on life changed in an instant. I love this life and I would change places with anyone else on the planet.

  • A Amos Love

    Hmmm?

    What is a Disciple?

    Seems, in the Bible, to be “One of His Disciples” it will cost you.

    A “Disciple of Christ” – Will…

    Deny self…
    Forsake all…
    Follow Jesus…
    Hear “His” Voice…
    Love NOT the world…
    Love “His” Disciples…
    Submit one to another…
    Just want to know Him…
    Love NOT their own life…
    Be clothed with humility…
    Do nothing without Jesus…
    Count all things but dung…
    Take on the form of a servant…
    Make themselves of NO reputation…
    Count others better then themselves…
    Learn directly from Jesus. No middle man…
    Gives thanks for all things… All things? Yes…
    Deny themselves and pick up their cross daily…
    Count all the shame, “joy,” for what lies before them…
    Love the Lord their God, love their neighbors, love themselves…
    Forsake all power, profit, prestige, honor, glory, praise, recognition, reputation…
    ———-

    A “Disciple of Christ” – Will NOT…

    Honor themselves…
    Seek their own glory…
    Speak of themselves…
    Be called Rabbi/teacher…
    Be called Master/leader…
    Receive honor from man…
    Lord it over God’s heretige…
    Exercise Authority like the gentiles…
    ———-

    Ps 138:6
    Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly:
    but the proud he knoweth afar off.

    Ps 40:4
    Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust,
    and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

  • Questions Jack:
    What is the difference between a disciple and an Apostle?
    I know Apostles were referred to in passages as disciples.
    But disciples are not all Apostles.
    Who was the last named Apostle by Jesus in the Bible?
    Thanks! Sis

    • Jack Wellman

      We are all disciples who follow Him, but apostles were part of the foundation, with Jesus being the chief cornerstone. That would mean we can’t put another foundation of apostles and prophets on the building after 2,000 because it would be unstable and lean one way or the other, or even fall.

  • kathy

    Thanks, Jack – well said! Have you read “INSURGENCE : Reclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom” by Frank Viola? It came out in 2018 and takes your points further, showing just how radical Jesus was in His time as a man, and what it really means for us to be His true disciples.
    I’ve been a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ since 1981, and thought I’d been “making the Kingdom of God my main concern” since 2001, but through Frank’s teachings (podcasts, books, blogs, YouTube channel etc), I’ve had my eyes opened as to areas in my life where I was still quite caught up in some ways in part of the world’s systems. And the New Testament is very clear as to who is the unseen ruler of this world. That’s why Jesus tells us to be IN the world but NOT OF the world.
    A true disciple, I believe, is someone who is learning “to live by the indwelling life of Christ” (Frank’s way of putting it) and this includes knowing and loving Jesus more and more. (This is how our minds can be renewed.)
    You are right in saying the church helps us here, but it can only do so if it is a group of such disciples, gathering together at times in open-participatory meetings under the headship of Jesus Christ, loving, supporting, caring and encouraging one another. For details see Frank’s book, “From Eternity to Here”. An understanding of this book shows why so many churches across the U. S. are closing their doors every week and also why many pastors are suffering burnout etc.

  • Marinda de Villiers

    Hi Jack. God has made me a disciple of Christ. I find it interesting that your description of discipleship is focused on Jesus’ disciples before they received the Holy Spirit (after Jesus’ death and resurrection), before they were born of the Spirit, born of immortal seed, before they became the “new creations” who received a new heart and spirit as prophecied by Ezekiel and Jeremiah, spiritual beings who have died and were raised with Christ.
    The Bible is a means of grace that provides testimonies of Jesus and His work, as well as the early churches, but it in itself does not compare with the fact that our Lord now lives in us and we in Him – a new reality with far-reaching implications. We now walk with the Spirit who teaches, reminds, comforts us! Free from guilt and free from the power that sin used to have over us. Even when we do fall, we are forgiven children of God. All that we are and do are from God Himself. We do not live by a letter anymore, but by the Spirit, trusting and expecting all that we need for a holy life from Him. God works in us to will and to do … the fruit of being “in Him”, Christ as the Vine, we the branches. Praise God!

  • tovlogos

    Amen, Jack — Jesus was with them and sent the Spirit (John 16:8-9) making sure discipleship would continue, I thank Him…
    “…but the discipleship class for believers will never end until the day of their death or when Jesus Christ returns to judge the world.”
    That’s a good reminder of the necessity to humble ourselves…