I’m Saved, So Why Do I Still Keep Sinning?

I’m Saved, So Why Do I Still Keep Sinning? July 18, 2018

Why do some believer’s struggle with overcoming sin more than others? Why do we keep sinning after salvation?

Our Nature

It is human nature for us to sin. If you took a fish out of the water, they’d be out of their environment because they’re not capable of surviving without being submerged in water. That’s the way fish were created, so it’s their nature, but it’s also our nature to sin, even when we know what it’s wrong. After a person is brought to repentance (2 Tim 2:25-26) and faith in Christ, they still have part of their old nature still living in them, as I do, but Christians are not alone. Some of the greatest figures in the Bible struggled with obedience, even after they knew God, so it’s a struggle that’s common to all of us, and not just believers. For many, that’s somehow comforting. The Bible tells us the truth about human nature and shows us the heroes of the faith, warts and all. The Bible doesn’t hide the fact that some of the greatest biblical figures we know have committed some of the worst sins there are. King David is a great example, but God granted forgiveness as we see in what may be the greatest prayer of repentance in the Bible (Psalm 51). His guilt was “ever before him,” so he couldn’t help but cry out to God for His forgiveness, and God was merciful. Just as Jesus said, “he who is forgiven little, loves little” (Luke 7:47), so those who are forgiven much are loved much. Even after David committed adultery with his wife and conspired to have Uriah murdered, David was later called a man after God’s own heart (Acts 13:22).

The Struggle

I believe if someone is concerned that they’re still sinning, at least they care enough about to be concerned. That’s a good thing. For one, it’s an honest assessment of us all (Rom 3:23, 1 John 1:8, 10). We all sin, even after conversion, but if there’s a struggle to live an obedient life, at least the Holy Spirit is working in that person’s life. I would be more concerned if they were still sinning and not giving it a second thought. When someone is concerned that they are still sinning after being saved, it’s comforting to me, in a strange sort of way, because at least I know I’m not alone in this struggle. The Bible is full of people who struggled with sin. The Apostle Paul said, “I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out” (Rom 7:18), and who among us doesn’t wrestle with this? Paul desired to do the right thing but didn’t always do it. Welcome to the club. For the body of Christ, which still has sinners and yet saints, that’s the paradox of it. It’s called sanctification…or growing in holiness. We are still very capable of sinning, but at least we strive to avoid it. We are saved from sin but still fall into sin. The difference might be we don’t dive in and swim around in it like we did before conversion. We fall and get back up, but God expects us to fall. He knows our nature as only our Creator would. Solomon acknowledged that “the righteous falls seven times and rises again, but the wicked stumble in times of calamity” (Prov 24:16), so even “though he fall, he shall not be cast headlong, for the LORD upholds his hand” (Psalm 37:24). We will never be sinless this side of the veil, but we should be sinning less…over time, and it should be noticeable to others and ourselves after a set amount of time, however each of us grow in holiness at different rates. I’m not sure why, but some struggle more than others, but there’s strength in the struggle. At least you’re in the fight and resisting the Devil, otherwise you couldn’t care less about sin, and that’s not the heart of a believer (1 John 3).

Expect It

The Apostle Paul preaching in Athens. Raphael, 1515

If you are expecting to be sinless after salvation, you need to read the Bible. Sorry if that seems blunt, but we had one man come to our church and say he was bothered by people praying for forgiveness. He said, “I’m no longer a sinner.” I asked, “Do you still sin?” He said, “Yes, but I am not called a sinner anymore.” I said, “Yes, we’re now called saints, but we still sin…all of us” (1 Kings 8:46; 1 John 1:8, 10). He finally told our elder that he was leaving because he didn’t like asking for forgiveness all the time. I wonder how that works at home with his wife. By the same reasoning he’s using, I supposed he doesn’t need forgiveness anymore in his marriage…or among his friends…or anywhere since he doesn’t sin anymore. I can tell you from experience, that’s not going to turn out well in a marriage or in a relationship. Even the spiritual giant, the Apostle Paul, declared himself to be the foremost of sinners (1 Tim 1:15), writing, “For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God” (1 Cor 15:9), but hey, we’re all unworthy. Paul knew that. It is only because of Christ that we can be declared righteousness in God’s sight (2 Cor 5:21), but everyone will still sin, even after conversion. If they say they don’t sin anymore (like one man told me), I ask, “Why you aren’t in heaven then?”

Conclusion

The Apostle John wrote, “Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister” (1 John 3:10b), and “Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him” (1 John 3:15). He adds that, “No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him” (1 John 3:6), because “Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning” (1 John 3:8a). Notice he said, they “practice…sinning,” meaning it’s a regular custom or routine for them. He’s not referring to believers because John knows they (and I) will still sin (1 John 1:8, 10), but they don’t make a practice of it. If you play sports, you practice sport, and that means you intentionally practice over periods of time, practicing again and again, but Christians are not to sin intentionally, and even though they (and I) do, they repent of that and confess it to God and try to resist the same temptation next time. That’s not the case with the lost. We all fall short, and not one of us are good in and of ourselves (Rom 3:10-12), but the good news is, we are saved by a very good God.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    Endless hogwash.

    “we are saved by a very good God”

    Define “good” jack….

    Personal killings by your “good” imaginary, invisible, undetectable “god”…Don’t you read your buybull jack?

    20 million (estimated). People being evil. Drowning. Genesis 6:7
    The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (population of Sodom estimated to be 600-1200, Gomorrah presumably would be similar). According to Genesis: Being evil and wanting to rape two angels (who visited Sodom in the form of men).
    According to Ezekiel (depending on translation): Being prideful (arrogant), overfed and unconcerned (having an abundance of idleness); neglecting the poor and needy; being haughty and committing abominations before God.
    The passage suggests that a mob were interested in homosexual rape in respect of the angels. Lot – the only example of a good man in the city – offered them his virgin daughters instead, but the mob were not interested.

    Burnt to death by fire and a rain of burning sulfur. Genesis 19:4-5
    Ezekiel 16:46-47 (specifically Ezekiel 16:49-50)
    Lot’s wife. Pausing to look back at the spectacle of God destroying entire cities, including her own residence and all her possessions, in a massive conflagration of fire and brimstone. Transformed into a pillar of salt. Genesis 19:26
    Er, the firstborn of Judah. Being “wicked in the sight of the Lord” Not specified Genesis 38:7
    Onan (Er’s brother and apparent inventor of onanism) Disobeying God’s orders to impregnate his dead brother’s wife (or “spilling his seed”). Not specified Genesis 38:9-10 (unlucky family)
    The firstborn of Egypt. Being firstborn when God decided to show his strength. God hardened Pharaoh’s heart so he refused to let the Israelites go. The Angel of Death. Exodus 12:29 (Rather tough on the kids who really had nothing to do with it.)
    The Egyptian army. Refusing to disobey orders to pursue the Israelites fleeing through the Red Sea, which was parted with walls of water on both sides of the path. Drowned when the seawater returned. Exodus 14:28 God kills you or the boss kills you.
    Nadab and Abihu, sons of Aaron. Offering strange fire before the Lord. Burnt to death Leviticus 10:1-3 If you don’t get the ritual right then death is the result.
    Undisclosed number of Israelites. Complaining against God Fire Numbers 11:1-3
    Undisclosed number of Israelites. Complaining about the food and wanting to go back to Egypt for an easier life. Plague Numbers 11:4-35
    Ten scouts sent to explore the promised land Spreading bad reports about this land containing giants, and being too difficult to conquer. Plague Numbers 14:36-38. If you don’t give the answer the boss wants then you’re in big trouble.
    Korah, Dathan, Abiram and their respective families. Claiming to be as holy as Moses and Aaron. The earth opened up and swallowed them – burying them alive. Numbers 16:27-32, which implies the children were killed, but Numbers 26:11 states Korah’s children survived.
    250 Israelites. Followers of Korah (see above) Burnt to death by fire from God. Numbers 16:35
    14,700 Israelites. Complaining about the previous two loving assassinations concerning Korah. Plague Numbers 16:49 (The management thanks you for your feedback. Now die!)
    Undisclosed number of Israelites. Despairing, and complaining about the quality of bread. Being bitten to death by divinely summoned fiery serpents, although casting a bronze snake and looking upon it would prevent them from dying. Numbers 21:4-9 (Honestly, wouldn’t it be cool just to try this to see it happen? C’mon, I dare ya…)
    24,000 Israelites Sexual immorality with Moabite women and worshiping Baal. Plague. Numbers 25:9 (Proving once more that despite God being obviously real and very jealous, Israelites would worship a sandwich if Moses so much as popped out to buy a newspaper.)
    Undisclosed number of Ammorites Waging war against Israel, trying to protect themselves and their families from the holy slaughter that the Israelites regularly inflicted on their enemies Sending hailstones from Heaven Joshua 10:10-11
    Either 70 or 50,070 Israelites (dependent on how the inerrant Bible is translated. The original Hebrew text literally says, “[God] killed of the people 70 men, 50,000 men…” so the language is confusing even at the source). Looking into the Ark of the Covenant (Like the ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of The Lost Ark). Not specified 1 Samuel 6:19 (You would have thought the 50,070th Israelite would have more sense than to climb a mountain of 50,069 bodies and look into a box)
    Nabal. David refrained from murdering Nabal’s servants or stealing from him. He expected his kindness to be repaid in the form of gifts from Nabal, but Nabal declined. God killed Nabal before David had the chance to go “avenging thyself with thine own hand.” Not specified 1 Samuel 25:38 (This was quite convenient as David, an avid collector of wives, got to marry Nabal’s wife who was quite hot.)
    Uzzah. Touching the Ark while trying to prevent it from tipping over. Not specified. 2 Samuel 6:6-7 (Which seems grossly unfair – should he have just let it fall to the ground and be broken have the contents fallen out? Looking at the contents that fell out are also punishable by death.)
    David and Bathsheba’s baby boy. None. The baby was killed in order to punish David for his adultery with Bathsheba and subsequently arranging the death of her husband Uriah. Not specified 2 Samuel 12:14-18 (The life of a baby is sacred, as explained by Christians, but it’s worth squat when God is angry with the parents.)
    70,000 assorted Israelites Inspired by either God, or perhaps Satan – the Bible is a tad unclear – David took a census of his lands and people. Plague 2 Samuel 24:13 , despite being told to by God in 2 Samuel 24:1. (Unless you read 1 Chronicles 21:1, where the devil did it)
    An unnamed prophet The prophet had been told by God to not eat bread, but another guy claimed he too was a prophet, and that God had commanded him to bring the prophet home for some food. Eaten by lions 1 Kings 13:1-24 (That’s what happens when you follow the advice of self-proclaimed prophets.)
    Jeroboam’s son. None. Child killed to punish Jeroboam, to save him from a massacre God was planning for the rest of Jeroboam’s family, and possibly also as a sign used to confirm a prophecy. Not specified. Died in his mother’s arms. 1 Kings 14:10-18 (God euthanizes a child to save him from the terrors of…His own wrath?)

  • pud

    A fun way to explain to nitwits and gullible imbeciles like you jack just how “good” “ethical” and “efficient” your made up invisible, undetectable, storybook “god” really is….So easy now to see why everyone should worship this psychotic, deranged made up character from the Bronze Age! LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoVwBd0uISg

  • Carlos Santiago

    Before I was a Christian I had a number issues dealing with my treatment of others, the judgmental lens I viewed them through and putting myself first. The Apostle Paul who had been anti-Christian and a participant in the stoning of Stephen called himself “the chief of sinners”. God took me who I was, where I was, and created a pathway to make me more respectful loving and seeking to serve. I’m not there yet, I have a long, long, long, way to go. Paul in his letter to the Corinthians wrote a word about the journey that I find encouraging; “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love”.…Yesterday I was able to stand alongside a grieving family who had lost a son. There is no easy way to put a nice bow on that. But I understand now that the tragedies in my life, equipped and enabled me to be a useful instrument in helping others. God had been very good to me.

    • HpO

      How does this address the issue, If “I’m Saved, … Why Do I Still Keep Sinning?”

      • Carlos Santiago

        I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. God will move you in the right direction and reach higher goals taking on some( not all) of His characteristics, than I could on my own. In my experience God does not seem to eliminate struggles altogether. I can only venture a guess that it is more about the journey together , day by day, that there is intrinsic value in the relationship.

        • HpO

          When you say, “God does not seem to eliminate struggles altogether”, do you mean these only three “struggles” for apostle Paul, or something else, like all the sin-“struggles” listed in this article?

          Ephesians 6:12 – For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

          Philippians 4:3 – Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

          Colossians 2:1 – For I want you to know how great a struggle I have on your behalf and for those who are at Laodicea, and for all those who have not personally seen my face …

          • Carlos Santiago

            I suppose it could be personal and either. I am the best person to answer on the perspective of my struggles; just as you would be the appropriate person to acknowledge, and mitigate the struggles you face.

          • HpO

            Struggle, what struggle? Begging the question, don’t it?

    • pud

      Trust me on this…you still “reason” like a child

  • HpO

    What a triumphant & glorious Christian testimony in reverse this is! So Jesus has failed us, then, you’re saying, in that after all that He had done for us through His crucifixion, burial and resurrection, we still:

    (1) Are in a “struggle with overcoming sin”!

    (2) “Keep sinning after salvation”!

    (3) Possess the “human nature … to sin”!

    (4) Like “David [have] committed adultery … and conspired to have [people] murdered”!

    (5) Find it “comforting … when someone is … still sinning after being saved”!

    (6) Say to ourselves that “we are saved from [yet] fall into sin” at the same time!

    (7) Accept the irreconciliable difference between our “sinning less” and our “never be[coming] sinless”!

    (8) Call ourselves and are “called saints [that] sin”!

    There’s no gospel of Jesus-was-made-dead-to-sin-then-and-so-now-are-we-too here, folks. Good luck with that.

    • Rudy Schellekens

      Not quite sure how to respond, so I guess I will just quote…

      ==

      14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold [m]into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

      21 I find then the [n]principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God [o]in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in [p]the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner [q]of the law of sin which is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from [r]the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin

      ==

      Let me quote again:

      “11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he [i]stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from [j]James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing [k]the party of the circumcision. 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not [l]straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

      ==

      And yet again:

      2 ‘I know your deeds and your toil and [b]perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false; 3 and you have [c]perseverance and have endured for My name’s sake, and have not grown weary. 4 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.”

      ==

      What about:
      Brethren, even if [a]anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ”

      ==.

      And a last quote:
      “Therefore leaving the [a]elementary teaching about the [b]Christ, let us press on to [c]maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do, if God permits. 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [d]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.”

      ==

      These quotes make it clear that “having died to sin” does not mean that we stop sinning just like that. It means we are no longer enslaved. We are no longer weighed down.

      • HpO

        But if, as you say, for you “it means [you] are no longer enslaved … no longer weighed down” by sin, why, then, are you still in a “struggle with overcoming sin”; “keep[ing on] sinning after salvation”; possessed by the “human nature … to sin”; like “David … committ[ing] adultery … and conspir[ing] to have [people] murdered”; finding it “comforting … when someone is … still sinning after being saved”; “saved from [yet] fall[ing] into sin” time & again; “sinning less … [yet] never be[coming] sinless”; and “called saints [that] sin”?!?!?!?! More importantly, what is Jesus doing hanging around you when you’re like that around Him who had put sin to death?!?!?!?!

    • Ken Allen

      Would you demonstrate through Scripture where Christ’s crucifixion, burial, and resurrection are
      designed/purposed to satisfy your list of 8 failures?

      • HpO

        Surely. For starters, try:

        Romans 6:2, 6, 11, 13 – How shall we who died to sin still live in it? … Our old self was crucified with Christ Jesus, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin … Consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. … And do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

        Romans 8:13 – By the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, so you will live.

        Galatians 5:24 – Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

        Colossians 3:4-5 – When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

        • Ken Allen

          These verses you offer point to the one who is saved and
          their responsibility and do not suggest any failure of Christ’s work. Your task
          is to scripturally demonstrate support for your 8-point accusation that
          somehow, Christ’s work failed in its design and purpose. I asked for you to
          provide support for these accusations because it appears that you may be
          misguided in what Scripture says about Jesus’ finished work on the cross, or as
          you put it; “death, burial and resurrection.” If indeed Christ did fail, then
          you need to clearly link the biblical claim that His salvific purpose was designed
          to address any of your 8 points. The
          verses that you offered support man’s failure, but not Christ’s failure.

          Once you have an understanding of the overarching design and
          purpose of Christ’s sacrifice, and how Scripture demonstrates the fulfillment
          of that purpose, perhaps you will be able to find peace with God. I pray that your demonstrated anger can be assuaged by Christ’s love for you.

          • HpO

            This article’s talking points (1) to (8) prove “failure of Christ’s work.” Romans 6:2, 6, 11, 13; Romans 8:13; Galatians 5:24; and Colossians 3:4-5 prove brother Jack Wellman wrong about all 8.
            He still hasn’t figured out the gospel of himself being dead to sin. Neither have you.

          • Ken Allen

            The “talking points” demonstrate that man fails in his
            responsibility to follow and submit and not that Christ’s work failed. You have
            no scriptural support for your claim that Christ’s work failed in its purpose
            and design, and that is because there is no scriptural support. You still
            demonstrate a faulty understanding of the design and purpose of Christ’s work
            on the cross. As for the doctrine of being dead to sin, you can find in some commentaries
            that being dead to sin does not refer to “not sinning” but is a guarantee that
            when one is saved, sin no longer has power over him or her, hence “dead to sin”
            is “alive to God” (Rom. 6:11, Bible Knowledge Commentary). I pray that you find
            peace with God.

          • HpO

            Clearly you’re not in “peace”. Scriptural F/X starting to kick in, I see. Good for you.

        • Rudy Schellekens

          Awesome! The way you totally ignore what lies between Romans 6 and Romans 8!!

          And jump from Galatians to Colossians without looking at Galatians 6!! I truly admire the size of the jumps you made!

          Okay, enough of that.

          Look at the introduction of Paul’s letter to the Corinthians (Church of God, sanctified by Christ, called to be holy…) and just a little further in he says, ” Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?”

          Look at that enormous contrast!

          • HpO

            Irrelevant & irreverent. No, you look.

  • DDRLSGC

    I find it funny that people say that Christ died for your sins; yet, we keep sinning. Sometimes, I think that Jesus’ sacrifice was all for nothing. Maybe people keep sinning because they don’t believe in God or sin. Some of them believe that no matter how bad their sin is, they figure that they will be pardon by God when they repent to him at the pearly gates. The question would be then what is the incentive not to sin if you are going to be forgiven anyway for all your sins?

    • Guestie

      “The question would be then what is the incentive not to sin if you are going to be forgiven anyway for all your sins?”

      That’s a good question. What incentivizes you not to sin if your sins will be forgiven?

      • Todd Sherman

        I don’t speak for everyone… I speak for myself. I recognize God’s lordship and love over my life. I find that the incentive is doing what pleases God out of love, respect and His rein over me. Sure I mess up and repent…it’s usually for the same sins but I know that God has already forgiven me. As a father of children, I am pleased to see my kids behave and do what I expect if them. If I see them not doing that, I am disappointed but I don’t stop loving them. I try to offer them an opportunity to grow from it and be a better person next time. I believe it works like that with God.

        • Guestie

          Todd, I’ve read your comment at least six times and I’m still not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Let me try to rephrase and interpret it.

          You want to please God. Your incentive to not sin is that you think God will be pleased if you don’t sin (or at least try not to). Nonetheless, there are certain sins you commit repeatedly. You know those sins will be forgiven or, indeed, may have been forgiven even before you committed them.

          Did I get that about right?

          Assuming I did, it seems that the incentive to please God isn’t very powerful. In fact, it seems like you kinda sorta agree that God’s forgiveness (pre-forgiveness, even) removes the incentive against sinning.

          Besides, suppose it pleases God to be forgiving. If your incentive to not sin is to please God, aren’t you denying God some pleasure by taking away opportunities for him to be magnanimous?

          • Todd Sherman

            Thank you for your interest in my words. I am saying that I “fight the fight” / “run the race” because I love God. I still have sin that I fight and it’s a battle. I may not win the battle some days but I strive to win the war. I don’t need to feel compensation for avoiding sinning. I do it because God desires me to be better and I love & respect Him. If I kept on sinning and hardened my heart about sin… Than I am shutting God out and he’s not my Lord (IMO).

            A person only has their testimony to offer up to God… If God looks at the heart and my testimony, He knows that I love Him and respect Him. I do what I can to demonstrate my love and respect willingly. I can choose to ignore it (of course) but God’s way is so much better and beautiful than my way.

            So why do I still have sin? I have it because I still live in a fallen world. My spirit fights the flesh all the time. I feel if I could separate my spirit (me) from my flesh that I’d be free (physical death). I don’t honestly trust my flesh. It hungers for sin… It wants me to get higher than a kite, take advantage of the weakness of others and %&$* every woman who’s attractive. I fight that monster all the time while nurturing it when it’s hungry or in pain or sad. I calm it down and keep it in submission when it wants to act up. It’s a war. Notice any similarities with what we have to do and what God does with us? I see sin and despise it. Maybe I’m too hard on myself? Maybe not? I’ll let God judge.

            Hope that helps make you understand.

    • Guestie

      If sin is a transgression against divine law (the common definition), and
      If one does not recognize the authority or existence of a particular deity,
      Then, one cannot commit sins against a deity that one does not believe in.

      For example, Christians generally don’t think they sin against Shiva because they don’t accept the divinity of Shiva. To say that people keep sinning because they don’t believe in “God” is silly unless one agrees that he/she is sinnng against every other deity.

      • DDRLSGC

        “To say that people keep sinning because they don’t believe in “God” is silly unless one agrees that he/she is sinnng against every other deity.”

        The trouble is that many people are stuck up on their gods only in their religion and don’t think about the gods in other religions. One reason why the Roman and Persian Empires lasted so long is they that let people worship their own gods even though they did not believe in them and did not impose their own religion on the various population.

        • Guestie

          “…don’t think about the gods in other religions.”

          Which is odd. People choose their religion and/or gods. It is hard to believe they make that choice without at least thinking about the gods available to them.

          • DDRLSGC

            “it is hard to believe they make that choice without at least thinking about the gods available to them.”

            It is even more odd considering the fact that people didn’t have much of a choice of whether they wanted to belong to the religion of their parents when they came into the world as babies.

    • HpO

      “Incentive not to sin” – now there’s a concept! Why didn’t Moses think of that?

      • DDRLSGC

        Probably because he had other things to think about during his 40 years in the desert that were more important.

  • Guestie

    “Why do I Keep Sinning?”

    Because you keep believing in a god.

    • HpO

      Uhm … you say I keep sinning because I keep believing in a god …So OK you keep believing there’s no god and that’s why there’s no wrongdoing in you, no trail of it in your life’s history. But wait, that means if one day you admit to yourself that you’re a lousy person, that’s when you’ll renounce atheism? LOL

      • Guestie

        Wait, where did you get these two ideas?

        1. I believe there are no gods? I’ve never said that probably because that is not my belief
        2. Absence of sin equals no wrongdoing or not being a lousy person? I didn’t even hint at those notions.

        Try responding to what I wrote and not to things you make up.

        • Michael Lonergan

          The idea of ‘sin’ is a religious construct. As a secular humanist I reject any religious idea of sin. Sin is a transgression against a moral code set by a Divine Being, of which there is no evidence. As an atheist I believe some things are morally wrong because those actions go against the good of humanity. Murder, for example, rape for example. There are some things that are more ambiguous. For example, I might like to look at porn. My personal preference, is Gay porn. I know that the gay porn I look at is consensual.

  • I’m Saved, So Why Do I Still Keep Sinning?

    Not possible. “We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him” (1 John 5:18).

    Unless the Good Book is wrong, of course.

    • HpO

      Like I’ve told you over at your own blog, Cross Examined, said “Good Book” was a 4th-century invention of the Early Church Wolves I mean Fathers to pontificate Catholicism.

      To your point, though, about “1 John 5:18”, what of it? Contrary to the gist of this article, that line there is the gospel truth and nothing but.

      “We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.”

      Problem, therefore, is, my fellow born-again Christian brothers and sisters are beginning to realize that – oh no! – they’re actually NOT “born of God”. Why? Because after all that their Lord & Savior Christ Jesus had done for them, they’re still enslaved to sin.

      Not good. That’s proof they’re not “born of God”, as per “1 John 5:18”.

      You’ve got it now, Atheist Boss?

    • Jack Wellman

      So you don’t sin anymore, ever? What of 1 John 1:8, 10?

      • I’m just quotin’ the Good Book. Again, I hold out the possibility that the Good Book is wrong.

        • Jack Wellman

          Nope. We are often wrong. The Bible never (1 JOhn 1:8, 10).

          • Ah, that’s helpful–having the Bible tell us that the Bible is never wrong.

            Thanks.

          • LastManOnEarth

            It helps relieve the cognitive dissonance when someone poinys out obvious contradictions.

  • Mary Merrick

    Why would you ever have to stop sinning? With Christianity, you can f**k other people over, forgive yourself, and go f**k some else without missing a beat. You always have a clean slate and clear conscience when your forgiveness comes from yourself.

  • Martreb

    It is human nature. But we are saints not sinners if we are saved by Christ Jesus

  • Damien Priestly

    Well, I hope the guy who died for your sins didn’t have a max-sin lifetime number? So go to town with the sinning…

    Kind of like an “all you can eat smorgasbord”…but in this case it’s — “all you can sin”.

    • Jack Wellman

      Where have I said we can sin all we want or where does the Bible say that!? No one who truly is saved sins all they want. We are not sinless, but strive to sin, less, but by no means do we sin all we can.

      • Damien Priestly

        Where in the Bible does it say how many sins are too many — such that you can’t be saved?

        Or that you can’t have lots of sins after being saved?

  • swbarnes2

    Andy Savage was sure he had dealt with his sexual assault “bibilcally”. Larry Cotton sure didn’t lose sleep at night wondering if covering up sexual assault, and having someone who sexually assaulted someone pastor and spend time with teens was a sin. You guys congratulate women for being punched in the face by her husband.

    So whatever you guys all call ‘sin”, no one with a heart cares. You wouldn’t know immoral behavior if it bit you in the face.

  • Kishan Aria

    I am a Christian and saved. Yet we do sin but as saved people we are Saints not sinners.

  • Jean Camille

    Romans 1:16-2:11 has transformed my life. Let me summarise:

    God has offered His righteousness to us all. We need only believe God and live out our belief through active faith, relying on His salvation for every need.

    God is readily recognised through the wonders of His creation. Thus, gentiles who do not acknowledge God are merely wilful and this brings them to all sorts of harm and personal depravity.

    But Jews are in no place to judge. Neither are we modern believers. We are as sinful as the unbelievers and will not escape the judgement of God.

    In Romans 2:4, Paul asks,
    “Do the riches of his extraordinary kindness make you take him for granted and despise him? Haven’t you experienced how kind and understanding he has been to you? Don’t mistake his tolerance for acceptance. Do you realise that all the wealth of his extravagant kindness is meant to melt your heart and lead you into repentance?” (TPT)

    When we are content to take lightly God’s loving-kindness, we show an unrepentant heart, no different from an unbeliever. God will judge the works of everyone impartially, good done in faith with rewards and evil done in selfishness with wrath (Rom. 1:16-2:11)

    I had to accept how self-indulgent I have been.

    It is like God organised a wonderful treasure hunt. Instead of joining in, we play and fight among ourselves, running into every kind of trouble. He saves us from danger, heals our wounds and sets us back on track.

    God wants us to be care free but not careless. Too often, we get so used to God looking after us, that we live carelessly, always in and out of trouble, never quite getting to the treasures.

    My turn around hinges on two thoughts. 1/ God is watching every flicker of thought within me; there is no escape. 2/ The Holy Spirit is a genuine ‘comforter’; He comes alongside to strengthen me.

    To focus on my weakness was irrelevant. His strength has changed the way I behave. I am free to take my next step.

    There is only one way to say, “Thank you” to God. We must turn around in our hearts and get on with gathering our treasures in heaven (Mat. 6:19-20).