This week we welcome the great Frank Schaeffer to discuss modern art, the fight against human trafficking, and why we aren’t outraged about tech companies Frank compares to “modern day slave ships.” It’s an illuminating discussion, and it goes long because everything Frank was saying was awesome.

Later, Amy is afraid of drowning, so none of us should ever go underwater again.

In the Echo Chamber, we’re discussing Game of Thrones and the 9th episode, which rocked everyone’s world. (If you haven’t watched Game of Thrones, skip the show from about the 47:50 mark to the 54:00 minute mark).

Then it’s on to the resurrected Arrested Development, and the gang is decidedly split so far, though none of them has finished the on-demand season, posted all at once on Netflix.

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