Catholic and Enjoying It!
One “Jay Donovan” writes:
As a Roman Catholic I find your ultra-liberal ideology on torture upsetting to say the least. Torture is acceptable, extremely useful and has it’s place when it’s a last resort to getting critical information.
YOU don’t know crap. Leave it up to the Military. Your not qualified to even write on the subject. A pseudo – intellectual at best.
Sorry to hear you reject the teaching of Mother Church in Veritatis Splendor, Lumen Gentium and Evangelium Vitae. You may delude yourself that you are a faithful Catholic, but in fact you are just another garden variety American dissenter. The only difference between you and Catholics for a Free Choice is what you happen to dissent about.
Repent, receive the sacrament of reconciliation, and do penance.
He replies:
Garden variety? Shameful to pass judgment like that; as I suspected I wonderful shot at how I choose to pray.
You have the gall to write a note full of ignorant judgment and then play the persecution card when somebody who knows what the Church teaches calls you on it.
Grow up, dude. Learn something about Church teaching before you start excommunicating people as “ultra-liberals”. My critique of torture is thoroughly rooted in the teaching of Veritatis Splendor, Lumen Gentium, Evangelium Vitae and the Catechism. The Church says that torture is gravely and intrinsically immoral. If you don’t know that, then you don’t know what you are talking about. If you do know it and ignore it, then take a seat alongside Catholics for a Free Choice, because you are the dissenter, not me.
Now: a *real* Catholic, when presented with the teaching of Holy Church, would repent and apologize. A fake Catholic will whine that he is being picked on and persecuted. Which are you?
He responds:
Right……….
You and Catholics for a Free Choice: made for each other. You can all sit
around and talk about how stupid Holy Church is.
If you know how to read the Catechism, you might start here:
2297 Kidnapping and hostage taking bring on a reign of terror; by means of threats they subject their victims to intolerable pressures. They are morally wrong. Terrorism threatens, wounds, and kills indiscriminately; it is gravely against justice and charity. Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity. Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.
2298 In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors.
Also this:
2312 The Church and human reason both assert the permanent validity of the moral law during armed conflict. “The mere fact that war has regrettably broken out does not mean that everything becomes licit between the warring parties.”
2313 Non-combatants, wounded soldiers, and prisoners must be respected and treated humanely.
So: do you actually know anything about the Church’s teaching when you run around excommunicating people as “ultra-liberal”?
Repent. Go to confession. Do penance.
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