The Two Phases of History

The Two Phases of History October 8, 2012

What could it hurt?: France Covers 100% of Abortion Costs

How were we supposed to know?: World Faces Aging Population Time Bomb

Few things (except perhaps Satan himself) are more profoundly and metaphysically stupid than large aggregates of clever people working together to achieve some large-scale civilizational goal. There’s a reason the sign above Jesus’ head was written in Hebrew, Latin and Greek. The crucifixion, like other large scale civilizational projects such as World Wars 1 and 2 and the culture of death today, was the communal effort of the whole human race.

"Btw. I do not hold the position that same-sex attraction is a “Choice”"

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"Just trying to understand your historical undue stress argument."

On gays in the Church
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  • Ellen

    I’ve talked about the time bomb of an aging population to many of my progressive friends, but they have closed their eyes to it. They are all they can think about and overpopulation= ultimate evil as far as they are concerned.

    • The simple arithmetical fact of overpopulation being a myth, and the fact of the whole world’s population being able to fit in Texas, with 1000 sq feet per person in single-level housing (4,000 sq ft for a family of 4, 7,000 for a family of 7), leaving the rest of the world empty, was enough for me to get over the “fact” of overpopulation.

      • Will

        Then again, who would want to live in Texas?

        • Thomas

          Only the best and the brightest.

          Because ‘the stars shine bright’.

        • jolly

          You say you’re not from Texas
          Man as if I couldn’t tell
          You think you pull your boots on right
          And wear your hat so well

          So pardon me my laughter
          ‘Cause I sure do understand
          Even Moses got excited
          When he saw the promised land

          That’s right you’re not from Texas
          That’s right you’re not from Texas
          That’s right you’re not from Texas
          But Texas wants you anyway
          (Big ten gallon hat tip to lyle lovett)

          • beccolina

            The best humans I’ve ever met live in Texas. I hated to leave them. Now, the state testing in Texas is another kettle of fish.

      • Ted Seeber

        I just realized that though I’m an American- I could double my personal standard of living and *STILL* be at a level that is materialistically sustainable.

        I don’t think I will though. Voluntary poverty is a good thing and I’m trying to teach it to my son. That, and I figure I’d have to earn half again as much to pay for a 3000 sq foot house.

      • bob

        I hear this idea and have to wonder what would happen if each person in this Texas-size tract wanted 8 oz of water, clean please. And what would happen a little while later when all of them used a toilet? They might be interested in eating sometime during the day, too. There’s a reason this doesn’t make sense. Where will all the fresh water come from (diverting a few major rivers in one direction?) and where will the sewage go; treated, please? Check out how the population we have has strained the world’s fresh water resources. Remember that 2/3 of every one of those people IS water. There’s a pretty good size population right now.

        • Ted Seeber

          Those are engineering problems, not physics problems. There is a big difference.

  • It might be me, but I can’t get to the second story, the link isn’t working.

  • There are one too many dots between the “co” and “uk”.
    The problems of ageing populations could be ameliorated, to some extent, if societies put more emphasis on maintaining one’s health as one grows older. As it is, their only aims tend to be “don’t die” and “don’t get fat”.

  • ivan_the_mad

    In light of France’s budget problems, one would thinking increasing monies for abortions would be counter-productive … until one realizes that France’s leadership is probably hoping for more abortions now so they can spend less social monies later. Diabolical.

  • Will

    The US population will grow to over 430 million before leveling off per the US Census.

    • Kristen inDallas

      Only if it can. Fun fact about nature: Resource abundance = population growth, Resource depletion = populations die off.

      • Except that your equation doesn’t account for the culture of death. Explain how all of the richest countries with the greatest abundance of resources have all the lowest fertility rates and as a result are in danger of experiencing a demographic winter while it is the poor, third-world countries whose populations are booming?

        • Will

          The US has a growing population. That does not indicate a “demographic winter”.

    • Ted Seeber

      The numbers are misleading. Among 3rd generation Americans and families that have been here longer, the birth rate has been below replacement rate for over 40 years.

      It’s only immigration that is keeping our numbers growing. And we’re 56 million behind where we should be by the Club of Rome’s Calculations.

  • Linda C.

    “…until one realizes that France’s leadership is probably hoping for more abortions now so they can spend less social monies later. Diabolical.”

    Just like the US situation with “free” contraception/sterilization/abortion (chemical now, surgical soon—wait and see).

    • Ted Seeber

      Surgical’s already offered rather heavily subsidized by Planned Parenthood.

  • Marthe Lépine

    Interesting how the article talks about an aging population as being the problem, when in fact the real problem is a birth rate below reproduction. According to a talk I heard a couple of years ago by a human resource expert, many Western nations are well on the way to extinction and have almost reached the point of no return. China’s one child policy has been recognized a long time ago as “demographic suicide”, but many people are still desperately hanging to the myth of overpopulation. There have been people in my generation who honestly believed that not having children was the right thing to do because of this fear of overpopulation. Abortion is far from being the only cause of the current population problems, the trend was started decades before your famous court case, with the publication of books like “The Limits to Growth” around 1960. I find it very strange that very few people, even today, seem able to see that the problem with “growth” has nothing to do with population and much more to do with the constant emphasis on economic growth.

    • There have been people in my generation who honestly believed that not having children was the right thing to do because of this fear of overpopulation.

      They’re still around. Some countries have problems with their soaring birth rates while others have issues with the decline of theirs. That so many commentators have such trouble holding both these facts with their consciousness is an indication of how weird universalist perceptions have become.

      • Will

        I think the vast majority of people have fewer children just because of family economics.

        • Michael F.

          I’ve never understood that. We have the richest country in the world – probably the history of the world. How is it that so many feel they can’t “afford” more children? It seems to me that the real issue is that we have a mistaken understanding of what we *need* vs. what we *want* and so, our children pick up the unspoken message that life is not worth living (or creating) unless one can have what Americans consider to be “necessities.” That’s a sad lesson to learn.

          • Will

            Let me correct (or add to) my statement. Many people want no children or one or two or three children. That is their choice. There is nothing wrong with that.

          • Ted Seeber

            It’s because most families haven’t adapted to the new reality of being urban populations yet.

            If you’re still an agricultural family, of course a large family is a blessing.

            So too to certain classes of workers in areas where child labor hasn’t been outlawed to the point of 6-year-olds getting fines for running lemonade stands in the front yard.

            But if you’re in a modern urban population where everybody under the age of 18 is forbidden by law from earning money and a good many of the 18-25 set are experiencing 25% unemployment, then having children at all represents a major multiple decade investment before it starts paying.

            The ONLY thing that changes this, is actually valuing the human person.

      • EMS

        The LA Times a few weeks ago did a week-long series about overpopulation. Their ultimate point was, again, too many people and there needs to be fewer, especially in places like the Philippines, Pakistan, etc.. Nothing about Europe ceasing to be Europe or Japan ceasing to exist. Far too many people still believe all that propaganda. And of course the letters to the editor parroted that junk, while the few that disagreed came across like religious zealots that could be easily dismissed.

  • Will

    The “aging problem” is caused by the large number of baby boomers. In 30 to 40 years, there will not be the bulge caused their numbers.

  • Mark S. (not for Shea)

    Stuff like this is why France will likely be a Muslim nation by the end of this century.

  • Michael F.

    Another irony: Social Security and Medicare are essentially transfer payments between generations. There is no “lock box” (a per Al Gore) holding all the money that we’ve put into both programs through our lives. They’re both largely pay as you go – those who are working are paying for those who are retired. And so, obviously, the more people working, the better it is for the financial health of both Social Security and Medicare. But both systems are failing now. How much might it help to have another 50+ million people in the workforce – the number of people who have been aborted since Roe v. Wade – paying into SS and Medicare (to say nothing of all the children who were never conceived because of contraception and the contraceptive mentality)?

    Those chickens are coming home to roost.