I’ve lost track

I’ve lost track August 15, 2013

Are the Bronze Age Savages burning and murdering Christians in Egypt and Syria our Noble Allies[TM] or The Terrorists[TM]? Are they Noble Allies[TM] in Egypt and The Terrorists[TM] in Syria? Vice versa? Both? Neither?

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  • HornOrSilk

    They are not our allies, as they are doing evil. Their predecessors also are not our ally. This is where either/or thinking fails. We can see something good and evil in all sides in these conflicts. The Coptics, for example. even supported the revolution only to find evil attacking them in return. The support of the revolution (for change) does not mean support for the evil which comes after. This is something to remember. Syrian Christians in general support the brutal regime which is being criticized (similar to Iraqi Christians with Saddam). It’s not that they necessarily support the brutality going on which needs to be addressed, but fear it will become worse with revolutions (and I think this is a legitimate fear).

    My take is always to try to find the best of the current situation, while deriding anything which is evil. This is two-fold and usually one or the other is neglected.

  • cenlacatholic

    We are at war with Eastasia. We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

  • Sam Wood

    Does it really matter? What matters is that I get good cell phone service and beat “Candy Crush”. sigh.

  • Who cares? Let’s have the CIA give them missles!

  • Lee Johnson

    Well … this is not a new thing. Iran and I were kinda sorta allies in Bosnia. In Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, we were on various sides as soon as you cross a border.

    The Turks warned us not to get involved in Arab affairs. They know something about it. It’s like getting involved with the crazy family down the street. Once you choose sides, somehow it’s your fault and help us take them out, too.

    I am sorry I supported the Iraq War. My only defense is that I thought we were going to remove Saddam Hussein and go home. Remaking the Middle East … recolonizing the Mideast, I didn’t know I’d signed up for that. But by then, all the “wrong people” were against the war, and I felt obliged to oppose them. And lots of good people were fighting, and I felt obliged to support them.

    Anyway, this isn’t about me.

    It’s not like anyone’s going to win in the Mideast/Muslim world. Every policy has failed. Engage and lose; disengage and lose. Strangely enough, as much as I loathe Obama, perhaps his duplicity is the right thing for the moment.

  • The Deuce

    All of the above.

  • kenofken

    We have absolutely not a shred of credibility remaining as a “voice of democracy” or as a force in the world which stands for anything higher than force. We are now just the “other Russia” or other China.

    • Marthe Lépine

      Unfortunately, I sometimes catch myself thinking like you and TheDeuce – which is getting frightening since I live in Canada. However, all we can do is pray for protection. On the other hand, it seems to me that much of the problem is a result of a too-close relationship between some elements of the corporate elite and the government. Foreign policies get influenced way too much by some large business interests. It seems to me, though, that things could change only when enough people realize that money and power will never fill the void in people’s hearts that can only be filled by God. Thus the most important thing to be done is emphasize the New Evangelization and not assume that the most influential people are intelligent enough and educated enough to not need to be evangelized – just as large numbers of other people, they just did not get catechized properly, if at all!

    • GodsGadfly

      “We” have never been anything *but* “the other Russia.” That’s what Third World originally meant: countries that refused to be either part of NATO or Warsaw Pact.

  • The Deuce

    What’s actually going on is, the events in the Middle East simply do not fit into our secular “enlightened liberal” intelligentsia’s provincial and utopian view of the world (including their beliefs about religions and the differences between them, democracy and peace, etc), and rather than adjust their views to reality, they end up reacting inconsistently and incoherently in their confused efforts to fit everything into what they think they know.

  • David Elton

    Mid-East Peace Process! Hahahahahahahaha! Camp David Accords! Hahahahahaha! Two-State Solution! Hahahahahaha! Democratization! Hahahahahaha! Stop, you’re killin’ me! Hahahahahaha . . . . !!

  • The muslims murdering christians are generally doing it in furtherance to religious decrees coming out of their religious court systems. Most of the time you’ll find that the same courts are issuing death sentences against America.

    Does it need to be formally said? We are not allies with people who issue death sentences against us. At best we are allies of convenience against more pressing enemies who also wish us dead or enslaved. So who is the bigger enemy to put us in an alliance of convenience? I don’t see them.

  • Chesire11

    They are complicated situations that do not readily lend themselves to the Manichean lens through which Americans typically view events. Take Syria, for example; there is no question but that the Assad regime is a brutally violent dictatorship that deserves to be overthrown, but the rebels include elements of Al Qaeda (the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), which Syrian Christians rightly fear, and from which the government protects them, with the help of Shiite Hezbollah militants from Lebanon (where they are enemies of the Maronite Christian community)

    On top of that, the Al Qaeda allied Sunni Islamic militants in Syria just assassinated a leader of the Free Syrian Army, opening a rift between the erstwhile allies.

    There are no clear good guys, or bad guys, and the only thing worse than remaining aloof in the face of the humanitarian disaster is getting involved in it.

    • kirthigdon

      I don’t think Hezbollah can be described as enemies of the Maronite Christian community in Lebanon. About half of that community are supporters of Maronite Christian General Michel Aoun’s Free Patriotic Movement, who for several years now have been close allies of Hezbollah. Granted that political alliances in Lebanon can turn 180 at a moment’s notice, but I can’t see the Aounists ever becoming allies of the Syrian rebels.
      Kirt Higdon

      • Chesire11

        I stand corrected, apparently…I have to admit I haven’t paid much attention to the Lebanese political landscape since the Israeli re-invasion of Southern Lebanon a few years ago, so my familiarity is past its shelf life, I’m afraid.

  • newenglandsun

    They’re also murdering innocent Muslims as well.