It Stands for “Nazarene”

It Stands for “Nazarene” July 22, 2014

It’s used to mark the homes of Christians marked for robbery and death by ISIS.  We are all Chaldeans now.

Pray for the Christians of Iraq. We owe every last one of them safe harbor in the United States.  Every last one. Especially we Catholics who supported the war that has resulted in this catastrophe.

On the bright side, there are Iraqi Muslims willing to stand up for these defenseless people.

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  • SteveP

    Mark: I do not owe any creature anything. And stop making this about you: our brothers and sisters suffer assault and even death because they are disciples of Our Lord. Not because the US Federal legislature eagerly voted to invade then waffled in resolve. Not because a self-identifying Catholic legislator interprets just war differently than you.
    How about we, you and me, prostrate ourselves under the Blessed Sacrament and say, together, “Speak Lord, your servants listen.”

    • JM1001

      I do not owe any creature anything.

      No matter how much I think about it, I just can’t manage to make any sense of this. If we are commanded to “love our neighbors as ourselves,” that is a moral duty, is it not? (The word “duty,” of course, deriving from a Latin verb meaning “to owe.”) Therefore, we owe our fellow rational beings a great deal.

      Maybe I’m missing something. Do you honestly believe you don’t owe (or have any duties toward) anyone at all?

      • SteveP

        Love is not paying a debt; it is freely given.

        • JM1001

          Love is not paying a debt…

          I’m sorry, but that’s completely wrong. Loving your neighbor as yourself is still a moral duty, and a duty is a debt owed to another rational being. Just because love is freely given, that does not mean it isn’t something we owe to others.

          You seem to be setting up a false logical disjunction: either love is a debt, or it is freely given. But it’s actually both. We still have the free will to either love or do evil to our neighbor, but loving them is still a moral duty or obligation (something we owe).

          • SteveP

            I did understand your point but would suggest, more directly, you did not understand mine: any love we have comes from the Trinity and returns to the Trinity.

        • Kathleen L.

          “Owe no one anything, _except to love one another_; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.” Romans 13:8 That’s the Lord speaking (through St. Paul), not us.

          • SteveP

            That’s a fine reference. Are you suggesting that Mark meant that as the allusion when using “owe” in the above post?
            No matter . . . it’s been made clear that prayer is not the answer. “Pious goo” saves no lives but . . . I dunno, petitioning Congress for reparations will save those being killed right now?

            • chezami

              It is pious goo to propose prayer as a replace for love of neighbor as in “I don’t owe anybody anything”.

              What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

              18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

              Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

              20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

              25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    • chezami

      “I do not owe any creature anything.” blah blah blah “Speak, Lord, your servants listen.” Wow. Epic cognitive dissonance wrapped in pious goo.

      • SteveP

        Thank you. I admit posting in the midst of ire and ask your forgiveness.

    • Marthe Lépine

      The first part of your comment reminds me of a very early answer given to God, in the book of Genesis: Am I my brother’s keeper?

      • SteveP

        As Mark says “goo.”
        It is the Islamists who are bashing their neighbor’s heads with
        rocks. Yet, westerners want to make it
        about themselves–not the least of which is the ability to point fingers. Go for it: make a causal chain all the way
        back to Cain if you think that will help.
        Clearly, humility is not a solution.

    • Marthe Lépine

      Ii disagree: You, and your fellow citizens, as represented by the government elected by a majority of you, owe reparations to every person harmed by US foreign politics. That does not only includes people from Iraq. The US has meddled into the affairs of several Central and Sud American countries by destabilizing governments that they did not approve of, in the name of the Cold War. They have meddled in Vietnam. US interests were only too happy to sell weapons to various African countries. And if I had the time I am sure I could make the list longer.

    • Joe

      To my eternal shame, I was an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq War. It was an unjust war, and the Iraqis are suffering from a bitter harvest. We planted the seeds.

  • Morris

    “What could it possibly hurt to engage in another aggressive war?” becomes “How could we possibly have known, other than listening to the people all around who warned us? That could have looked like we supported a libertarian view, and we all know that’s off the table.”

  • Unfortunately, any Muslim who stands up, will simply be shot for not being Islamic enough.

  • David Gerard Smith

    Steve P, since there seems to be more interest in arguing with you than anything else, let me just say that I too have written things when irked and regretted it too. If that was the worst of either of our sins we would both be in pretty good shape. Unlike you, and I am guessing Mark, I never thought this was a just war but understood that another reasonable person could get to a different conclusion. As we are now well beyond the time to make that judgement, I am glad to join you in support of our Chaldean brethren.

    I have also adopted this symbol for myself on Facebook. A pitiful way to show support but at least a little way to stand with them.

    • Joe

      I did the same thing. Nothing wrong with showing solidarity in small ways.

  • Darryl Harb

    The solipsistic response “we made them do this” is more typical of progressives, who live for claiming an imagined moral high ground. In fact, this crap is the responsibility of an increasingly desperate Islam and nobody else. If anything, the war in Iraq only postponed the inevitable.

    • Morris

      If you intentionally screw with somebody to the point that they end up mugging an old woman for money to buy bread for their starving child, you can’t really say, “That mugging is the responsibility of an increasingly desperate man, and nobody else.” You need to ask, “Why is the man desperate?” and if you see that his desperation stems from a group of people stronger than he who are screwing with him and making it hard for him to earn a living to feed his child you really do have to asses some blame on that group.

      The middle east has been a hotbed of U.S. military-intelligence meddling and murder, which has resulted in “an increasingly desperate Islam”, as you put it, or, more accurately, an increasingly desperate population in that region who happen to be almost all muslim, who then find some comfort from their plight in their religion.

      The CIA even admits that “we made them do it.” The one common result of U.S. policy in the middle east, as Mark has often pointed out, is the destruction of Christian communities.

      • Darryl Harb

        Please. Islam is a failure for its own reasons, and for nothing we have done to Muslims. Its desperation stems from its sheer inability to cope with the modern world. In their desperation, Muslims seek traditional scapegoats, nothing more. [Funny, BTW, how people invoke the CIA as either geniuses or jerks, depending on what suits them.] Our meddling there has only given them further excuses. The done-bombing campaign, for example, aids recruitment for the jihadis, but it doesn’t cause the underlying social failure. Islam produces virtually nothing, either economically or culturally. The only Islamic countries that aren’t complete disasters are those who have benefited from the accident of oil, and their time is running out.

        • Morris

          I don’t believe I’ve ever suggested the CIA are geniuses; I’m simply pointing out that the ones involved in regime change and other awesome stuff that protects our freedoms back here in USA! have labeled the reaction to their actions. If you want to ignore that, that’s fine, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant. The accident of oil is what gave the U.S. government reason for mischief.

          “People like you” – that’s a good one.

    • jroberts548

      Who said we made ISIS do this? We created the conditions in which this or something like this could happen; that’s not the same as making ISIS do something, but it’s also not the same as not being a cause of it.

  • Dave G.

    Isn’t it odd, though, how quick we are to find anyone who isn’t, well, American who has done well in order to say ‘look, they’re awesome people, they’re not bad, I don’t know any who are bad!’ And yet, we so seldom afford the same courtesy to those people who are, well, American or worse, American Christians. Even when we try to point out something like, despite 9/11, there really weren’t thousands of Muslims and Arabs slaughtered, mosques burned, and all that, across the American landscape. If you point that out, you’re reminded of Iraq, or that we made the terrorists hate us, or things similar. It’s like we just can’t say “Americans, not bad”, and yet we’re prepared to look past (or at least carefully qualify) any other nation or culture in order to say “See, they’re really awesome!” I wonder why.

  • Shawna Mathieu is selling shirts with that symbol, for raising money for the displaced Christians and letting people know what’s happening in Iraq.