Herding Cats

Herding Cats November 24, 2014

The failure of fallen human culture to cooperate with Truly Reformed diagrams is under discussion over at the Register at Yr. Obdt. Svt’s place.

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  • petey

    my problem hasn’t been with the Truly Reformed Protestants, it’s been with the Liberal Protestants, who seem to have abolished the concept of sin and the responsibility that comes with it.

    sorry, off topic, but on my mind these days.

    • Rob B.

      This, I think, is far from off-topic. I’d say both are symptoms of the same problem: the lack of a rigorous Magisterium to guide the interpretation of Sacred Scripture.

      • Irksome1

        Orthodoxy also lacks a “rigorous magisterium,” yet they’ve been spared this sort of heretical theology. Why?

        • chezami

          Have they? The first seven councils of the Church were all called to address Christological heresies that arose in the East.

          • Irksome1

            I’m not sure what that proves, since most of the subsequent ecumenical councils were called to address problems that arose in the West. In fact, if I were Orthodox, I might be tempted to observe that my own Tradition lacks the type of splintering one sees in the West and that the Magisterium of the West and all of her councils are damage control meant to address the grievous spiritual wounds caused by breaking from the One, True, Eastern Church.

            As it happens, I don’t believe any of this, but the fact remains that since the Great Schism, doctrinally, the Eastern Church has avoided many of the headaches of the West without a Magisterium. It therefore can’t be that the Magisterium alone has thwarted the kind of intellectual decline of the Protestants.

        • Rob B.

          That’s an interesting question. I’m not an expert on Eastern Orthodox theology, but I think its grounding in the Eastern Fathers has helped it maintain its theological balance. What do you think?

          • Irksome1

            I wouldn’t venture a positive opinion on the matter, but I very much like sez’s response to me.

        • sez

          Because they have the valid Eucharist: the only hope of clinging to the Truth (a requirement for unity and wholeness) is to unite ourselves to Him.

  • mulegino1 .

    Protestantism is, by its very nature, a progressive deformation, not reformation.

    As such, the more it deviates from its origin and form over time, the further it degenerates. This can be observed by its godless, despiritualized mainstream denominations, the politicized, delusional rapture cult of pseudo-Christian Zionism, and the auto-hypnotic, spiritist possession cult of Pentecostalism.

    Those few who resist these trends can only maintain their faith by clinging to the shards of the Catholic tradition, which is why so called “ecumenism” is a gross fraud, since it only serves as retrenchment for heresy and apostasy.

  • sez

    “the fundamentalist heresy of Absolute Certitude about everything” precisely describes the problem with my brother. How can anyone reach a person who is so immune to any alternate opinion about anything?

    • Rob B.

      Prayers, sez. Your brother is in mine… 🙂

      • sez

        Thank you! Yes, prayers and more prayers. Especially that he will come around to exhibit at least a bit of sanity before our aging mother dies. Her heart has been broken by another brother already.

  • Mark R

    Orthodoxy in the anglosphere has it in the form of smaller Old Calendarist or True Orthodox traditionalist groups. Such groups exist in Greece and the Balkans too, but a lot of them are salt-of-the-earth-types over there. In the anglosphere many are converts who love rules and and are the sort of people who would like to be in a cult. Very conservative, though mainstream Orthodox, like the late Fr. Seraphim Rose, call this phenomenon the Correctness Disease, which is contrasted to Orthodoxy of the Heart or the Royal Way.