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…for turning California into a petri dish of childhood killers.
Yes, I am sure this entirely the fault of the anti-vaccine crowd and has nothing whatsoever to do with the flood of illegals that have inundated CA. (Sarcasm off)
It really doesn’t have anything to do with illegal immigrants. The outbreaks are concentrated in areas of high vaccine refusal which are also high income areas. Poor areas which host large numbers of immigrants also boast near 100% childhood vaccination rates and no outbreaks.
Hush. Don’t spoil a perfect oportunity to jab at my pet ideological punching bag with accessory stuff like reality and facts and whatnot.
Right. And in a lot of Central American countries, vaccinations are one of the few things the State does not botch. I mean, there have been ceasefires back in the 80s and 90s just to get everyone vaccinated. Having the support of the Church doesn’t hurt either.
Well, buck up, Matthew. We’re not out of scapegoats yet. For instance, the young black male demographic has been awfully quiet in the whole vaccine debate, and who’s to say what is behind that silence? We’ll have the authorities stop a few for questioning, and if they don’t get immediate and full cooperation….well, I think they know what awaits them.
Then there’s the Jews (or is the preferred term in company “Zionists” or “International Financiers”? I never know anymore). The anti-vax crowd insists vaccines are all a big money conspiracy, and where we have one of those, the dots just connect themselves…
Finally let’s not forget the gays. There may be no evidence on them yet, but it’s just the sort of thing they WOULD do, given that so many vaccine skeptics are good red-blooded Christians.
And Islam. Let’s not forget them. The Taliban clearly favors Polio in their realm. Pertussis in California would just be a bonus for them.
Of course, all of these players are just appendages of the one source of Supreme Evil: Obama!
It would be rude not to offer a “Your Welcome” when you were so polite. >:-/
Thanks pro-vaccine fanatics for not really knowing the facts! And really, if you’re so confident in these vaccines working then you should be protected right??? Oh wait, maybe not!
Most people are protected. Some people, for whatever reason, don’t seroconvert. Others cannot be vaccinated for various reasons (such as extreme youth). But generally, yes, people are protected by vaccines: That’s why we saw a 99% reduction in the number of pertussis cases from 1950-1976 and why we’ve seen the domestic eradication of polio and the global eradication of smallpox, all following major vaccination campaigns.
Erm…no. The incidence of many of these illnesses started to drop off long before the vaccines were introduced. Also, in the case of many vaccines, they are finding that people are either losing immunity or becoming asymptomatic carriers, in turn exposing many people, some of whom are high risk.
Hep B- 5 years to 15, if you are lucky
Pertussis- Maybe 3 years? But you can carry asymptomatically, meaning you could harm an infant w/o even knowing it.
Flu- well, we all know that one’s a crap shoot. Oh, and if you do the mist, you can be contagious for up to 21 days.
Etc., etc. Oh, and herd immunity? We don’t know if vaccines really work for that. The concept came from natural immunity that people derived by actually recovering from an illness, not from injections. We are uncertain how these really help people. It’s just taken on blind faith many times.
> Erm…no. The incidence of many of these illnesses started to drop off long before the vaccines were introduced
While better hygiene and nutrition certainly helped, it doesn’t account for the eradication or steep drops we see once vaccinations roll out.
>Also, in the case of many vaccines, they are finding that people are either losing immunity
We’ve been well aware of that for quite some time, it’s why booster shots are recommended (I just got mine for Tdap the other month).
Thanks to the State and the medical establishment, my wife has a permanent condition stemming from a childhood polio vaccine. BTW, how often was measles deadly? Or whooping cough? People would recuperate.
Would you prefer that your wife be dead or crippled from polio itself?
> BTW, how often was measles deadly? Or whooping cough? People would recuperate.
A 0.2% fatality rate in the United States is reported by the CDC, higher in infants. Doesn’t sound like much, but let’s look at what happened with rubella in 1964-1965: “An epidemic of rubella (German measles) in 1964-65 infected 12½ million Americans, killed 2,000 babies, and caused 11,000 miscarriages. In 2012, 9 cases of rubella were reported to CDC.”
That’s not a very high fatality rate, but it’s a very high number of fatalities. But hey, most of them recovered. I’m sure that was a real comfort to the parents who lost children and pregnancies.
Ah, here’s some more detailed information: In 1950 there were 120,718 cases of pertussis resulting in 1,118 deaths. For measles, there were 319,124 cases with 468 deaths. But hey, most of them recuperated!
And what percentage of miscarriages are caused by vaccines themselves? Right now, women are encouraged to get the Tdap and the flu vaccine with every pregnancy. Do we know the incidence of miscarriage/preterm birth that are caused by vaccines? Is this because NO ONE studies these links?
What of the very real vaccine injuries that families have suffered, or deaths for that matter? These also are not fully documented, because they are written off as coincidence, and no one is investigating when deaths/injuries might possibly be related. If we don’t know, then how can we compare the safety of both? How can we reasonably determine which is safer?
The US has given vax companies and exemption from being sued, yet formed the VAERS court for families to be compensated in some fashion for injuries that are assumed to have come from vaccines. There should be much better controls on this system, and it’s not happening. Crazy!
> And what percentage of miscarriages are caused by vaccines themselves?
None or at least none that I’m aware of any reputable study showing.
> Right now, women are encouraged to get the Tdap and the flu vaccine with every pregnancy. Do we know the incidence of miscarriage/preterm birth that are caused by vaccines? Is this because NO ONE studies these links?
Constantly studied by numerous groups including the CDC.
>What of the very real vaccine injuries that families have suffered, or deaths for that matter? These also are not fully documented, because they are written off as coincidence, and no one is investigating when deaths/injuries might possibly be related.
Err, yes, they do investigate. Every single “Vaccination may have had some possible role in this” event is reported. You can go dive through the reports yourself even.
You have a lot of talent and you should not waste it on sensationalism.
My children were all vaccinated, but there is much more to the story than what you suggest. And, for the record, my son has autism and I know some of those anti-vaccine folks. While I disagree with them, their numbers have not (yet) been great enough to cause the recent spikes in measles or whooping cough.
This from Mercola:.
“Almost 20% of Fully Vaccinated Children with Persistent Cough “Have Whooping Cough”
And this from the CDC:
“Measles is still common in many parts of the world including some countries in Europe, Asia, the Pacific, and Africa, travelers with measles continue to bring the disease into the U.S.
Measles can spread when it reaches a community in the U.S. where groups of people are unvaccinated.”
The diseases are entering our country from other nations. Some people who live in the US and were vaccinated are still susceptible to contracting disease. And, yes, those who are not vaccinated are also susceptible. But you should take your time and tell the whole story.
Forgot the link from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
Faith and reason, right Mr. Shea? There is plenty of evidence of pertussis vaccines wearing off or the vaccinated being asymptomatic carriers. As Jassuz mentioned below, those who have been vaccinated can be contagious. My son also has autism, and I’m leery about vaxing my other children, but have thus far b/c schools require it. I do it begrudgingly, because really, I think it’s somewhat unnecessary. In the case of pertussis, there is evidence that vitamin C is far more efficient at treating and avoiding severe symptoms in comparison to the vaccination.
My reason leads me to believe that we are doing more harm than good with many of the vaccinations out there, and unbiased/inflammatory articles just fan the flames and encourage people to avoid research in favor of not being seen as one of “those” people who oppose vaccination.
But, if you are comfortable blindly injecting your family with aluminum and what-not for the sake of possible “immunity”, then be my guest!