The Largest Mass of Displaced Persons Since World War II

The Largest Mass of Displaced Persons Since World War II September 12, 2015

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Listen to the Pope, not to an anti-Christian, anti-human Right Wing Noise Machine that seeks to tell you that this massive tide of human suffering is some nefarious invading force.

But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a priest was going down that road; and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. ¶ But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was; and when he saw him, he had compassion, and went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; then he set him on his own beast and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.’ Which of these three, do you think, proved neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” He said, “The one who showed mercy on him.” And Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.” (Lk 10:29–37).

Go and do likewise.

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  • Re_Actor

    Merkel calls in the army: ‘Generous’ Germany faces migrant chaos as troops put on alert

    The German Defence Minister has admitted that the country verges on “an emergency” after cracks have begun to emerge in the ‘German generosity’.

    Germany has been viewed as a leader on Europe’s worst refugee crisis for 70 years, with Chancellor Angela Merkel’s expectation that the country will take in 800,000 this year alone.

    However, the move appears to have backfired as German towns struggle to process the unprecedented number of arrivals.

    Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen said: “For this weekend alone we have put 4,000 soldiers on standby.”

    He added that the troops would be able “to pitch in in an emergency”.

    More migrants have arrived at Munich’s train station since the start of September than in the whole of 2014.

    About 120,000 refugees arrived in Munich in August and more than 25,000 came last weekend.

    Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier added that about 40,000 migrants are expected this weekend alone.

    However, some in Germany have questioned the impact of the country’s response.

    On Wednesday, the leading conservative newspaper Allgemeine Zeitung wondered if the “heterogenous crowds” could really be transformed into “constitutionally loyal” citizens and taxpayers.

    Saudi Arabia have controversially offered to help Germany cope by building at least 200 mosques.

    The rich Gulf state said it would build one mosque for every 100 Middle Eastern refugees who entered Germany.

    The German army order follows a move by the Hungarian parliament to pass laws to allow its forces to use rubber bullets and tear gas on migrants.

    More than 170,000 migrants have been recorded entering Hungary so far this year.

    Janos Lazar, chief of the Hungarian cabinet, admitted that the possibility of terrorism is growing in Hungary following the refugee crisis.

    The decision means that thousands of armed soldiers will be assembled across the Hungarian border with Serbia.

    Prisoners have also been drafted in to build 10km of 13ft fencing every day.

    Rival demos lay bare Europe’s divide on refugees as Munich buckles under the strain of thousands of desperate new arrivals

    Tens of thousands of Europeans have hit the streets in both support and opposition to incoming refugees, as overwhelmed authorities in the German city of Munich pleaded for help in accommodating a fresh wave of arrivals.

    With Germany seen as the promised land by many of those seeking safe haven in Europe, more than 9,000 migrants poured into the Bavarian capital on Saturday alone.

    More were expected to arrive, prompting local officials to warn the southern city was being stretched to the limit and would struggle to find beds for all the newcomers.

    As the continent scrambles to respond to the biggest movement of people since the second world war, sharp divisions have emerged between the European Union’s 28 member states, at both a government level and on the streets.

    In London, tens of thousands marched through the capital waving placards saying “Refugee lives matter” and “No human being is illegal”.

    Britain’s newly elected Labour party leader and veteran socialist Jeremy Corbyn drew huge cheers when he addressed the crowd from the back of a truck.

    “Open your hearts and open your minds,” the opposition chief said, “towards supporting people who are desperate, who need somewhere safe to live, want to contribute to our society, and are human beings just like all of us.”

    In Copenhagen, 30,000 people turned out to express solidarity with asylum seekers, while similar rallies drew thousands onto the streets in Madrid and Hamburg.

    “I want to support the refugees,” said Deborah Flatley at the London demo, holding up a homemade sign reading: “We admire your bravery. You deserve a safe and happy life. We welcome you here with open arms”.

    A boy dressed as Paddington Bear – the marmalade-loving migrant who arrived at London’s Paddington Station from “deepest, darkest Peru” in Michael Bond’s famous books – clutched a sign saying: “Paddington Bear Was A Refugee”.

    In Berlin, demonstrators waved a Syrian flag with “Refugees Welcome” written on it, while rallies in Stockholm, Helsinki and Lisbon each attracted around 1,000 people.

    But at the same time, thousands took to the streets in eastern Europe to voice their opposition to the influx, their numbers dwarfing those attending a handful of pro-migrant rallies.

    “Islam will be the death of Europe” chanted protesters at a rally in Warsaw which was attended by nearly 5,000 people and began with prayers identifying many marchers as Roman Catholics.

    Hundreds also demonstrated in Prague and in the Slovak capital Bratislava, some holding banners reading: “You’re not welcome here so go home”.

    The International Organization for Migration said Friday that more than 430,000 people have crossed the Mediterranean to Europe this year, with 2,748 dying en route or going missing.

    The emergency has exposed deep rifts with the EU, with “frontline” states Italy, Greece and Hungary buckling under the strain and European Commission proposals for sharing 160,000 of the new arrivals in a quota scheme facing resistance from eastern members.

    Germany has so far taken the lion’s share, admitting 450,000 people this year, with Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision to relax asylum rules for Syrians drawing praise from the refugees, but also sharp criticism from domestic allies and counterparts abroad.

    In Munich – where the number of people, many of them Syrian refugees, expected to arrive from Vienna by the end of Saturday alone was set to hit an estimated 13,000 – regional officials sounded the alarm and urged other German states to do their bit.

    “We no longer know what to do with refugees,” mayor Dieter Reiter said, amid fears many of the new arrivals would have to spend the night outdoors.

    “Munich and Bavaria can’t overcome this great challenge alone,” a spokeswoman for the Bavarian authorities added.

    Hungary meanwhile was working around the clock to finish a controversial anti-migrant fence along its southern border with Serbia.

    Hungary has seen some 180,000 people entering illegally this year and has passed a raft of tough new laws that will take effect on Tuesday, meaning anyone crossing the border illegally can be deported or even jailed.

    “These migrants are not coming our way from war zones but from camps in Syria’s neighbours… So these people are not fleeing danger and don’t need to be scared for their lives,” hardline Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban told Germany’s Bild daily.

    He said that Merkel’s decision to relax asylum laws had caused “chaos” and accused European leaders of “living in a dream world”.

    The idea that quotas would work is an “illusion,” he said. “The influx is endless: from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mali, Ethiopia, Nigeria. If they are all going to come here, then Europe is going to go under.”

    • Europe is not as rich as the pro-immigrant protesters think.

      • Joseph

        And pro-immigrant protesters don’t do very much for the immigrants other than the occasional protest… when it comfortably suits them and when they can maximize their self-aggrandizement in public to their peers.

  • Tommy Boy

    If the U.S. government took responsibility for its killing – now numbered to be somewhere between 3 and 7 MILLION from Vietnam on, perhaps it should be responsible for at least an equal number of refugees it has created.

    • Have you ever looked at the number and percentages of migrants that the US accepts? It’s quite astounding that a country that is perhaps 4-5% of the world’s population takes in 19-20% of the world’s migrants. By your standard, I believe the US is well off the hook already. It’s a fatuous standard though and it’s not that easy.

      • Tommy Boy

        The U.S. makes immigration exceptions for hi-tech workers to drive down salaries for Americna hi-tech workers. The U.S. has a despicable record in Mexico, Central America and S. America – and just about everywhere else – for attacking Trade Unionists and keep wages below poverty levels. This, of course, causes workers to enter the U.S. seeking work to feed their families. Thereby driving down wages for American workers.

        Would it not be better if America could help everyone, everywhere?

        I believe so.

        • Joseph

          Especially those surrounded in tragedy of America’s making.

          • America took down the Ottoman empire?

            • Pete the Greek

              YES! Right after they bombed Pearl Harbor!

              • Mike Petrik

                Gheesh, Pete, the Ottomans were hardly an innocent lot, but everyone knows it was the Greeks who manipulated the Germans into bombing Pearl Harbor!

                • Pete the Greek

                  WHAT!?!?! LIES! We were too busy plotting the assassination of Abraham Lincoln!

                  • Mike Petrik

                    Actually, I stand corrected. Google reveals multiple Internet forum reports confirming that Pearl Harbor was a false flag operation. Apparently the Roosevelt administration manipulated the Germans into bombing Pearl Harbor in order to take down the Ottoman Empire. Sorry, Pete. I apologize to you and to fraternities and sororities everywhere.

                    • Tommy Boy

                      And didn’t Henry Ford name the Edsel after Hitler?

                    • Joseph

                      Haha! Clever. You’re such an idiot, dude!

                  • With your time machine no doubt.


            • Joseph

              Umm… no, but America did create the current humanitarian crisis (you know, the one unfolding before your eyes). Nice try at a dodge though. The “Oh, well, ISIS and Al Qaeda… they go waaaaay back, waaaay before the US of contemporary times funded, armed, and trained them… to understand why they are lopping off the heads of people and their allegiance with the US State Department, you need to read a history book”. Derp.
              We’ll talk about the Ottomans another time. For now, let’s just stick with the obvious. The US created *this particular* humanitarian crisis. Unbelievable that you’re trying to deny it.

              • Actually, the crisis in Islam predates the existence of the US. It’s not a dodge to look at root causes. The truth is the truth. Islam shut down its brain in the 1100’s with the closing of the gates of ijtihad which shut down Islam’s ability to legislate. It figured out that it was rotten when Napoleon took Egypt. When the last caliphate died with the Ottoman empire, it entered crisis mode with the death of its executive, and now ISIS is trying to bootstrap the religion back up to having an executive without addressing the underlying intellectual mistake. President Sisi, however, does seem to be pointing to a need for this sort of self-reflection in his speech at Al Azhar this past January. None of this has anything to do with the United States. None of this relieves the United States of it’s real and substantial responsibilities. I would like, for a change, for our expenditures to have actual results so the route that so many european intellectuals have taken of self-imposed infantilization with the US as an omnipotent daddy figure does not get repeated in the mideast with unfortunate results.

                The US is not unspotted white. The US has responsibilities. The US is not the only one responsible or even the primary responsible party in the mideast. Those parties are the ones who live there and have the power and responsibility of human adulthood on their own heads just like everywhere else.

                Trying to shoehorn a multi-century crisis into even the past decade is a recipe for unproductive, shortsighted policy. Writing a check will not fix ISIS. Even boots on the ground by themselves will not fix ISIS. The root problem is that for several centuries Islam has been unable to come to grips with the world as it is. Swapping out ISIS for another nasty violent response to this is not going help anymore than swapping out Al Queda for ISIS has. US policy has been stupid and shortsighted in this regard. That doesn’t change the fact that the problem was already well developed when Thomas Jefferson sent the marines to “the shores of Tripoli” to deal with the barbary pirate emirates. It’s in the marine corps hymn if you didn’t know. It refers to the battle of Derne. The more things change, the more that they stay the same:

                • Joseph

                  I understand that… but the crisis happening now is a direct result of the US playing war games in the Middle East. The Arab Spring was by design of the US State Dept. The US funded and armed Al Qaeda and the *rebels* (ISIS) to fight Assad when Assad responded by quashing the American created uprising. The war in Syria was caused by the US to begin with and ISIS running around rampant killing everyone was cause by the US to begin with. Without the US, those two things would not have happened… not right at this moment anyway and not to this degree. I’m talking of the refugee crisis that is happening *right now* and the direct causes of it. Yes, there is a history. I know that. Yes, Europe needs to detach from the teat of America. Yes. Muslims need to take responsibility as well and the fact that they don’t doesn’t make them look very much like a religion of peace. I get all of that. But all of those things do not excuse the US for their part in what is happening *right now*.

        • Yeah, keep working on that not being fatuous bit. A good starting place is actually learning about US immigration law. For instance, 55k visas are yearly issued by lottery from countries that have not had 50k migrants over the past 5 years. Who else does that?

          • Tommy Boy

            People committed to local people?

            • Try a declarative sentence in answering a question. Also try the name of an institution that issues immigration visas, usually called a country. So far as I can tell, the US is unique in its diversity visa program.

              You also might take a look at 8CFR 214.2 to get some basic idea of the scope of immigration in the US. This lays out the various types of visas (almost nobody knows them all who isn’t a professional in the field or a trivia weirdo like me) and the conditions to qualify them:


              • Tommy Boy
                • Tommy Boy

                  You’re ok with this?

                • Try reading Thiel’s from zero to one and pay attention to his thoughts on defection. The cure for H1Bs getting paid less is to have a smooth operation to enable them to easily defect from their faux indentures. Technology workers who are getting underpaid should be recruited out ASAP to both better their salaries to normal and punish those who abuse the system the way that Edison did in that article. Every time they have to process one of these paperwork monstrosities it costs them. Make them process for the same job every 6 months on average and they’ll stop doing this H1B nonsense when it’s not legitimately called for.

  • Ezbs

    “Saudia Arabia has offered to help Germany by building 200 mosques”. Oh my Lord. The crusades were for nothing.

    How many refugees has Saudia Arabia and Iran taken in?

    • Germany should accept as many mosques as Saudi Arabia accepts churches. Where do I donate?

      • Joseph

        They don’t need them in Saudi Arabia… not enough demand… they’ve made sure of it.

        • There’s plenty of demand for churches in Saudi Arabia. All those filipino workers could populate entire dioceses.

          • Joseph

            Can you show me some statistics where there is an equal amount of Filipinos in Saudi Arabia as Muslims in Germany?

            • Go to the christianity in Saudi Arabia and Islam in Germany wikipedia pages. Both populations are estimated at about 1.5 million people. Chase the footnotes down for reliable sources.

              • Joseph

                After this refugee crisis, I’d say the data on wikipedia will become obsolete. Anyway, you and I both know that Saudi Arabia will not build churches for Christians. And Germany certainly wouldn’t fund that anyway (as they are post-Christian new pagans… except when it comes to work… they keep all of the Catholic holidays, ironically). Donations from Christians would be necessary… but, Prots are certainly not going to fund Catholic churches. Rather, you’d see an influx of Protestant pop-ups to evangelise the Catholics.

                • I believe that what I’m advocating is official vatican policy. They’ve long advocated equivalent access both ways. It’s a good idea and I support it. The problem specifically with Saudi Arabia funding mosques is mostly that they’re funding the spread of wahhabi islam, a radical sub branch that disproportionately tends to violence. Saudis do this *a lot*. Over generations this tends to radicalize muslim populations.

                  On the Protestant/Catholic divide, if the Protestants are that sort of threat then we’ve got a lot of cleanup to better catechize our own.

                  • Joseph

                    I agree with that policy entirely. I’m just saying it’s unrealistic. I agree that Germany shouldn’t place a single foundation for a mosque down until the foundation for a Catholic church is set in Saudi Arabia. And I agree that it should be 1:1 after that. Everyone is familiar with the wahhabists coming out of Saudi Arabia. There’s at least one or two in Dublin working their way with the Muslim community, so I’m not denying that.
                    And I agree with you about the Protestant/Catholic divide. If you think you’ve seen Catholic ignorance in the US, you should come to Ireland. Relative to understanding the faith, you’d think that American Catholics are monks in comparison.

  • Re_Actor

    Germany is to reintroduce border controls and will exit temporarily from the Schengen system, the interior minister has said, after the country’s regions said they could no longer cope with the overwhelming number of refugees arriving from Austria.

    Thomas de Maizière announced the measures after German officials said that record numbers of refugees, most of them from Syria, had stretched the system to breaking point.

    Germany has also stopped all trains entering the country across its southern border with Austria, the principal conduit through which some 450,000 of refugees have arrived in Germany this year.

  • Tom G

    If you have concerns about the number of immigrants and/or their religious background, it’s likely those concerns will be ignored, ridiculed, or cast as un-Christian on this blog.

    • chezami

      False. If you instantaneously libel the biggest refugee population since WWII enemies, parasites, terrorists, scam artists, and criminals en masse you will be ignored, ridiculed, and seen as the enemy of the least of these that you, in fact, are on this blog.

      • You appear to have a bizarre view of the word instantaneous. Those who have been paying attention have been thinking about and discussing this stuff for decades. I don’t personally obsess over demographic scenarios but I do recognize that violence, war, and revolution can follow in ways that are not properly appreciated at the time the immigrants are invited in and if you’re unaware of this, you are profoundly ignorant of history both ancient and fairly recent.

      • jaybird1951

        It is not the largest refugee population since World War II. The biggest was the massive exchange of displaced persons after the partition of India.

  • Anna

    Another way to help: If your area is one where refugees are resettled, agencies need a lot of help from parishes and individuals to sponsor arriving families. Everything from donating apartment furnishings to mentoring newly arrived families is desperately needed. Check with local Catholic Charities; even if they aren’t the resettlement agency in your area, they’ll be able to point you to whatever agency is.

  • Here’s a question, in all seriousness. If someone is born in Damascus, leaves because of the war and is a current refugee, which is closer to the best resolution and why:

    1. The war rages and he stays in a camp in Turkey. When it ends he goes back to Damascus
    2. The war rages and he stays in a camp in Turkey. He moves on and wanders europe seeking asylum in Berlin. The war ends and he stays in Berlin.

    I pick answer 1 because it is better to live in and rebuild your own home if possible. I don’t understand people who pick answer 2 and would like to hear their justification. Unlike our host, I don’t think that the answer I do not personally favor is a mark of evil that requires immediate condemnation without discussion.

    • Joseph

      I think the reason is people like to pat themselves on the back for their charity on public forums while they chomp down on their Twinkies and attempt to type their righteous condemnations on their sticky keyboards in their air conditioned homes, sitting in their comfy chairs. Those say people adopt the NIMBY attitude, “Save them all! But just not in my neighborhood! And especially not in the spare bedrooms in my 4 bedroom house!”. It doesn’t take much to sanctimoniously demand that everyone in your surrounding neighborhood house refugees… and it scores you points with the other internet heroes out there. What would interest me is to see the people who screech the loudest that *these are refugees, dammit* actually do something other than screeching it into a keyboard.
      My own opinion? I don’t think Turkey is the most pleasant place for those people, even if there is no war. I do believe that once things clear up in their homelands that they should return. I have no problem with offering temporary asylum to all of the refugees until that time… temporary. But here in Ireland, they are fast-tracking those asylum seekers on the path to citizenship… so they automatically take precedence over those other asylum seekers from African countries who have been waiting for years, living in relative poverty and unable to work in the meantime. A tad bit unfair.
      I also think that the US should pay for the reconstruction of their homelands and for any military operations that take place to clean the mess they made… bring on austerity for Americans who were too busy chomping on Ben & Jerry’s and trusting every word from their government’s mouth… essentially allowing this to happen. It’s a democracy after all, they voted for this. Also, the US should take the majority of all of these refugees as this is their mess to begin with and it should start by placing refugees in the homes and neighborhoods of those who shower Europe with the most righteous indignation over this crisis. It’s sooooo easy for a cozy American to complain about how Europe is handling the idea as they watch it unfold from their HD TVs.

      • You don’t know much about history do you?

        • Pete the Greek

          And he has a REAL problem with Twinkies and Ben & Jerry’s. Not cool, man.

        • Joseph

          Which part specifically? Are you offended that I pointed out the relative inaction by the US on this humanitarian crisis and am criticising the holier-than-thou Americans who demand that Europe clean up their mess? Is that what prompted your silly question?
          My comment implies that this humanitarian crisis is the direct result of the insane American foreign policy. Not sure where I referred to *history*. It’s rather contemporary. But, I understand, shoot the messenger.

          • I’ve mostly answered elsewhere but for completeness sake a short recap. US megalomania has met EU mental dysfunction born in WW I to create this nasty idea that the US is all powerful and all responsible. Neither megalomania, nor the psychological aftereffects of WW I are healthy and both sides need to clean up their act. It is not offensive what you say though it is profoundly destructive when turned into policy.

            The US needs to figure out how to climb off the tiger of hegemony without triggering an increase of war and embrace the suck of it all until it does. The EU needs to get one thumb out of its mouth and the other thumb out of the opposite end of its GI tract and regain its civilizational confidence, this time doing it better.

            Fixing either side without the other will make things worse. It’s the imbalance in your analysis that is the problem.

            • Joseph

              Wait… what makes you think that I disagree entirely with your comment? I don’t. I agree that the EU needs to grow a pair and finally tell the US to go f*ck themselves as long as they keep fiddling around with their War Games. Though the EU is a fragmented disaster on the brink of total collapse as it is… so even if they did grow a pair, it’s would be a very small and ineffective pair. They could always develop a better relationship to Russia to give the glorious two fingers to the US… but that would never happen.

              • I don’t know you. I don’t have an opinion on your opinions except for what you actually write in this thread. The reality is that Europe has an organic capacity to militarize that far exceeds that of the arab world. Their political spending decision have made militarization politically painful. If the arab diaspora behaves like good guests, they’ll not wake up the bad trends that have been sleeping in Europe. I hope that’s how the story ends. I’m not betting on it.

                • Joseph

                  Neither am I. It can already be seen that the proverbial sh*t is about to hit the fan. The EU is already divided and the lack of trust between member states prevails. They’ve already experience Islamic extremism in just about every EU member state that houses Muslim immigrants. The response to that has been a growing wave of nationalist extremist groups in each of these countries to *combat* what they see as a threat to their culture and identity. It’s going to get real ugly soon. It’s Europe, but there is no Union.

    • Tommy Boy

      In all seriousness, stop assuming these insane wars for profit are JUST.

      Anyone born in Damascus has as much right to a peaceful and happy life as anyone born anywhere.

      The JUST resolution is not war but Catholic Distributism.

      • My question has nothing to do with the justness of the war. It needs to be answered for the most just and the most unjust war humanity has ever fought.

        Similarly, no matter what the economic system is, the question still must be answered. Here the only difference is that the functionality of the economic system may influence the final destination of the refugee. So are you going to continue to raise straw men or actually answer the question?

        • Tommy Boy

          I’ll continue to raise the most important question(s).

          What are you a realtor?

          • And we have troll for the win.

            • Tommy Boy

              Ahh, Chicago Boy.

  • Michaelus

    Why are the only refugees 16-25 year old men? Are there no women in Syria? Where are they? Where are the Christian refugees? Are there any left or are they already dead? Why can’t the Saudis take some people? I get to the donate now button at Mercy Corps and these questions keep popping up….

    • chezami

      Where are you getting your information on the demographics? How is it that everbody who consumes Right Wing Noise Machine is an *instant* expert on the population statistics of a huge tide of humanity (the biggest since WWII)? Last week–just last week–the charge was that cowardly bastards were sending women and children ahead of them as anchors and leaving them to face death in the Mediterranean. Now, suddenly, the charge is that they are abandoning their families to invade Europe. Do you *never* question the shifting and contradictory narratives fed you by right wing media?

      • Michaelus

        Right – I understand the problem with the US right wing media hysterics – but the Austrian Foreign Minister himself has said that the majority of the refugees are young men and lots of them have some money. Look at the photos. Honestly it is just strange. Of course this is just the refugees that have reached Europe….

        • Joseph

          ‘Tis the common concern in Hungary as well.

        • Pete the Greek

          Hmm, I’m wagering that at the end of the day, so to speak, it will end up being about even with families. It would actually make sense if a lot of the first people there were single men with money. LOT more mobility there.

          If I lived there with my family, I’d be doing everything I could to leave too.

        • The UNHCR registration operation seems to have unremarkable demographics (see my link above addressed to Mark) so there must be other places that are predominantly women. Where they are, I don’t know.

      • jaybird1951

        If you can get over your inveterate dislike for that strawman “Right Wing Noise Machine” for just a minute, take a close look at the photos from the migration (one is shown below). They show an overwhelming majority are young males. I understand that these “refugees” are mostly not from the war zone but people housed in refugee centers in Turkey who have decided to move to Europe, mostly Germany. Some are war refugees but many more are economic migrants. The Muslim extremists are already trying to recruit from the crowds of migrants along the route and at the German train stations.

        • chezami

          Remarkable how you have *instantaneously* become a complete expert on the demographics of this disaster, based on a few photos all intrepreted for you by the *real* victims of this catastrophe: the Right Wing Noise Machine. Just last week, the narrative was that these people were swine who sent their wives and children ahead and callously let them drown. Now the narratives is that they are leaving their families behind. Anything for the Party of Personal Responsibility to spit on desperate people and shirk all responsibility.

          • You would do your soul less injury to devote more of your time to finding the answers and less time to hurling insults. Here, I’ll help:


            The sex and age demographics are unremarkable. So is this photographic evidence of a major demographic tilt just the camera lens lying? I don’t think so and I believe that it’s fair to say that Pope Francis has recognized the issue. See here:


            Again, you’re doing yourself damage and not just yourself. Collaborate across ideological lines on solving the legitimate issues and we’ll all get further. In other words, be more like Pope Francis and less like Daily Kos. I’d hope that wouldn’t be too much to ask from a Catholic blogger.

            • Joseph

              For once, It’s beginning to seem to me that Mark is leaning left instead of remaining independent. Makes me sad.

              • What’s making me sad is that for such a strong overt cheerleader of Pope Francis, Mark is not actually listening to Pope Francis. He would do better if he would listen better and not only where convenient. It’s the muted grace notes that keep Francis Catholic and Mark only seems to be hearing the dominant themes.

                Pope Francis’ message is tuned to be pleasing to the leftist ear but is authentically Catholic even as it remains humanly fallible (I think Francis doesn’t get the science right on climate for example and he’s admitted his ignorance on matters economic). This makes Pope Francis difficult to listen to for a right winger but ultimately it’s an effort that is rewarding because Francis’ message gives the right a better class of leftist to fight the inevitable ideological battles, if the leftists will listen to Francis.

          • Pete the Greek

            Lighten up, Francis.

    • Joseph

      There was report in the French paper La Figaro that had testimony from one of the refugees on a boat that was loaded with men, women, and girls. When the boat arrived at its destination there were only men. He told the paper that extremists on board threw the women overboard en route. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t explain it completely, but it does show that at least a small percentage of those coming over are not pure of heart.
      That said, you can’t put a blockade for everyone, most of whom are legitimate refugees, because there is a small percentage of extremists who are clearly taking advantage of the situation. That’s be like shutting down the welfare program because there are a few *cheaters*.

    • Ken

      The men is Syria are being recruited by ISIS or Assad to fight in the war. Perhaps, there are more men trying to flee then fight on either side. Men are joining either side mostly so they can eat not due to ideological beliefs.

  • ivan_the_mad

    The Pope has asked that “every parish, every religious community, every monastery, every sanctuary of Europe” take in one refugee family; see here. Happily he has been heeded by many more, as “[t]he Jesuit Refugee Service has been contacted by thousands of people eager to host refugees in their homes.” Yet he displays the care and shrewdness often unobserved by many, noting that his request to take in a family was carefully worded.

    Eminently better advice than any proffered by this country’s political ideologues; that is, be simple as a dove in one’s faithfulness to the teaching, yet shrewd as a serpent when realizing it.

  • Sigroli

    There are reports (I have no idea how accurate) of ISIS flags among the migrants and resulting clashes with police. Trojan horse? Aberration? Is the Pope aware of this? Would it matter?

    • Ivan the mad’s link above (three hours before your post) tells me this pope is not completely around the bend on this issue of ISIS infiltration. There’s also been evidence of european muslim radicals trying to recruit among the refugees.

      • Joseph

        There are reports that many of the Christian refugees died at sea because they were thrown from the boats when their religious affiliation was discovered as well. Granted, this isn’t *prevalent*, but still. If you were to listen to the sanctimonious Americans who like to beat their chest with a crucifix while telling everyone else that they aren’t very Christian for having even the slightest reservation about the future after letting in this wave of migrants when they don’t do a damn thing themselves, you’d think that there is zero chance for the terrorists, created by their own country’s foreign policy, to take advantage of the situation. Seriously.

        • I’m not particularly fond of sanctimony but Syria’s disaster was shaped by the idea of “responsibility to protect” which seems to have originated with Kofi Annan in response to the rwandan genocide. Barack Obama took up the idea and applied it to Syria and Libya and that’s on the US. The UN roots of the idea mean that R2P will keep turning up like a bad penny no matter what the US does so long as the focus is placed on a fictitious US centric intellectual framework:

          • Joseph

            I’m confused. So, the State Dept. and CIA incited the Arab Spring in several Muslim countries to overthrow soft dictators. Then, when those soft dictators did exactly what the US government would do if there were ever a revolution (quash the rebellion with brutal force), the US began to fund and arm the *rebels* (pretending all along that they weren’t Al Qaeda and what became ISIS… though that little secret got exposed later). Then those *rebels* started a war on several fronts: 1) continuing to battle Assad; 2) attempting to create a caliphate purified of infidels. All because of the US we have a humanitarian crisis and you’re pretending that Obama/US government was *reacting* to something? As if they weren’t involved? Getouttahere. Quit trying to shirk your responsibility and act like the US didn’t cause this.

            • It’s amazing how you responded to a comment centered around R2P without ever mentioning R2P. The US deserves every brickbat aimed its way for signing on to R2P and working along with the EU in implementing this during the Obama administration. If you don’t address where R2P came from, who its advocates were and are, and how it failed, the thing will rise, zombie like, from the policy graveyard and go on to ruin many more lives. Making sure that those lives don’t get ruined does not seem to be a priority with you.


              • Joseph

                Doesn’t R2P imply a *reaction*. The US didn’t *react* to this situation, they created it.

                • The poor treatment of the government of Syria has a long-standing pedigree that predates any recent US involvement. Indeed it predates the development of R2P theory itself. If R2P was ever going to be seriously adopted, Syria was always going to be a case of it.

                  Again, this doesn’t absolve the US of any responsibility for its own actions, R2P related or not. But all those other guys advocating R2P and especially those who are actually intervening in support of this theory bear their own responsibilities. Pretending they don’t exist is not helpful because they’re just going to do it again and again until they’re called out about their own actions.

                  In short, the UN is on the hook here right alongside the US. Because the UN pretends to be something bigger and grander than a national government, they especially have to be watched and held to a high standard. Instead, they’re doing all they can to avoid oversight and scrutiny on the issue.

                  • Joseph

                    Intervention would have the US confronting those alleged abuses up front. Instead, they covertly incited uprisings and when the natural response to those uprisings occurred (that is, the government in power brutally quashed them) and the plans started falling apart, the US allied with and began to train, fund, and equip known terrorist groups (who were much more evil than Assad could ever be) in order to complete the job that they started. That’s not intervention, that’s instigation… that’s meddling at the cost of millions of lives and almost the total annihilation of Christianity in the Middle East.
                    At some point, I suppose, you’ll stop making excuses and start accepting responsibility.

                  • Joseph

                    NOT TO MENTION: The US isn’t exactly a shining example of what a nation looks like that does not engage in despicable human rights abuses. Let’s see, not even 50 years ago black people were drinking at separate water fountains, going to separate schools, riding on the backs of buses, getting sprayed with firehoses… and let’s not get started on the STD experiments carried out on Native Americans and blacks… or how about putting Japanese-Americans into concentration camps? Oh, what about *enhanced interrogation*? I almost forgot about the use of the atom bomb… not once but twice… on civilian populations (coincidentally, the Catholic epicenters of Japan). Yes, yes, yes… the US needs to *be there* to stop human rights abuses… except when things happen in African countries where the population is predominately black. Yes, the US is sooo good, they just couldn’t sit back and watch Assad do what they’ve pretty much been doing. Riiiigggghhhtt. Anyhow, I don’t want to digress. The point that we need to stick to is this, the US was not bound to do anything to Assad (as they ignore human rights abuses in China). They instigated the problem. They caused it. There was no *reaction* to anything. Stop making excuses.

                    • Right, you’re just interested in bashing the US and not actually resolving the problems of Syria.

                      Spin, spin, spin, like a dervish. It’s all the US’ fault.

                    • Joseph

                      The current refugee crisis would not exist if it weren’t for the US launching their Arab Spring campaign to remove soft dictators. It wouldn’t exist if the US had not funded, armed, trained, and allied with known terrorist groups that inevitably decided to *branch out* their operations and slaughter innocent people everywhere. It’s simple. There is absolutely no spinning necessary. The only spinning going on is the vast collection of excuses you’ve been throwing out there to sidestep the basic and fundamental reality! Seriously.
                      I’m bashing two things: the deceptive American government whose lies have become apparent and the incredulous nationalist Americans who simply cannot come to grips with the fact that *their* country has been behaving very, very badly and will not accept responsibility.
                      I love the US otherwise.

                    • falstaff77

                      My understanding of the Arab Spring is that it ignited in Tunisia where decades of oppression led to a self immolation to protest oppression in Tunisia, followed by an uprising that led quickly to the tyrant bin Ali feeling the country, followed by Libya, followed by Egypt, followed by, followed by. How does this possibly morph into a launched-by-the-U.S. narrative, absent some all powerful U.S. boogeyman, grassy knoll, conspiracy theory.

  • Tommy Boy

    So, TMLutas, you’re a chum of John Kass?

    • I admire him but don’t know him personally.

      • Mike Petrik

        I’m pretty sure my buddy Pat Hickey knows him, TML.

        Maybe when I’m next in Chicago, we can all meet for a beer or several.

        • I’m smack in the middle of prepping my house for sale. Half my family is already in Charleston, SC and I absolutely positively have to join them by mid November. I’d be happy to have a beer with you in whatever city we find ourselves together in.

          • Mike Petrik

            Charleston is not far from ATL. I’ll give you a holler when I’m next in Charleston. Please do the same when you are next in ATL. I’m easy to find via Google. Only two Mike Petriks in ATL, and you’d be looking for the only one who’s a (new) grandpa!