Meanwhile, Ben Carson Follows Trump into Cheering for Torture

Meanwhile, Ben Carson Follows Trump into Cheering for Torture November 23, 2015

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  • Pete the Greek

    You mean to tell me that this whole election thing is NOT over yet? Holy crap it’s been going on for, what, a couple of years now?

    • Andy

      The endless election cycle is what gives us the results we have – folks who might want to be president and might do a good job do not want to spend all the years that our news cycle requires to run. they don’t want every phrase or word they uttered/wrote pulled apart –
      just think though in about 12 months the run for 2020 will start.

  • Elmwood

    you mean to tell us that jeb and rubio among others are opposed to torture?

    what’s the point of singling out carson and trump when most of the GOP presidential hopefuls say the same stupid crap, they all fall well short of the ideal.

    why isn’t climate change considered as a presidential litmus test for observant catholics? funny how most white american catholics ignore that teaching, along with the teaching opposing nuclear weapons, the arms race, and avoiding war.

    • Pete the Greek

      “climate change considered as a presidential litmus test for observant catholics”
      – Because belief in man-caused global warming is not a non-negotiable. Catholics who think it is are stupid.

      Torture is evil, end of store.

      • Elmwood

        that’s just it, we all have our own individual 5 non-negotiables and we use it to hit other catholics over the head to show our catholic superiority.

        in the end, our faith is accommodated into our pre-existing world view and for most of us, our faith doesn’t decide who we vote for.

        Cardinal Dolan said he likes Jeb!!??

        • Pete the Greek

          You misunderstand.

          Lack of belief in man caused global warming in not, in and of itself, immoral. Torture is. This isn’t a personal ‘top five’ for me.

          • Elmwood

            no, i understand you, you just said ‘personal’. we all have our personal ‘top five’, that’s the problem.

            lack of belief in something isn’t of itself immoral, it’s what we do because of that that may be.

            • Ken

              I agree with you. The problem is politicians say they are going to do something when they are campaigning and then when they get into office usually don’t fulfill their promises. I think many of us are frustrated when we’ve voted for people who seem to line up with a lot of the Catholic teachings only to be disappointed when they get into office. A lot of people have given up and are now picking and choosing what they think the politicians will actually accomplish.

  • Stu

    I seriously doubt Dr. Carson has considered this topic past surface level. He is certainly an intelligent man in his field but comes across a bit shallow in other areas. This being one of them.

    • Ken

      Ever meet a really accomplished Dr? Many of them are very arrogant and are not used to ever being told they are wrong about anything. I think that is his problem. He says things that are bizarre and can’t seem to fathom that anyone would challenge him on anything. He just isn’t used to being told he’s wrong about anything.

  • Elmwood

    The second is the misuse of these necessary moral distinctions as a way of dismissing or ignoring other serious threats to human life and dignity. The current and projected extent of environmental degradation has become a moral crisis especially because it poses a risk to humanity in the future and threatens the lives of poor and vulnerable human persons here and now. Racism and other unjust discrimination, the use of the death penalty, resorting to unjust war, the use of torture,4 war crimes, the failure to respond to those who are suffering from hunger or a lack of health care, pornography, redefining civil marriage, compromising religious liberty, or an unjust immigration policy are all serious moral issues that challenge our consciences and require us to act. These are not optional concerns which can be dismissed.

    according to the usccb, enviromental degradation is as important as torture for catholics to consider, not that any “conservative” catholics really care what the usccb has to say.

    examples of intrinsic evil: “Whatever is hostile to life itself, such as any kind of homicide, genocide, abortion, euthanasia and voluntary suicide; whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, physical and mental torture and attempts to coerce the spirit; whatever is offensive to human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution and trafficking in women and children; degrading conditions of work which treat labourers as mere instruments of profit, and not as free responsible persons: all these and the like are a disgrace, and so long as they infect human civilization they contaminate those who inflict them more than those who suffer injustice, and they are a negation of the honour due to the Creator”.

    from the splendor of truth 80, st. john paul ii

    • Hezekiah Garrett

      Like so many other subtle and complex issues, it isn’t surprising you can’t distinguish between ‘environmental degradation’ and ‘increasing (average) global temperature’.

  • BHG

    What he actually said was not to disclose to tne enemy what we would and would not do, a ver different thing. He did npt cheer for torture.