Yes, Donald Trump is a Fascist

Yes, Donald Trump is a Fascist November 23, 2015

but the far more important fact is that his base is a pack of fascists too.

Movement Conservatism has created a monster it does not know how to control–and is *still* in denial about it.  These people are a menace to the Church, the country, and the world.

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  • Bemused

    When you bake a cake of pride, greed, gluttony, wrath off the big 7 list and then add in fear and vanity, there is no spoon long enough.

    Breitbart is the biggest stew of anti-Catholicism I’ve ever seen and boy do they love Trump.

  • jaybird1951

    You should be wary of giving false witness, calling millions of people “fascists” because you don’t like their candidate. I am definitely not a Trump fan and consider him deplorable. I also am frustrated by his fans who are indulging themselves instead of choosing intelligently but to call them fascists is to commit slander. Maybe you should restrict yourself to matters doctrinal and ecclesiastic where your writing shines.

    • Irksome1

      If you actively support the fascist policies of your preferred candidate, what does that make you, if not a fascist? If you ignore, or are otherwise indifferent to, the fascist policies of your preferred candidate, what does that make you, if not passively fascist?

      • One who has not thought his political ideology through.

        Don’t get me wrong it still makes you inexcusably ignorant, dangerous, and intellectually lazy. it still makes you a fascist enabler and apologist. But it doesn’t necessarily make you a fascist.

      • Nobody, at present, has the balls to call Eisenhower fascist. Do you want to get the ball rolling? Trump’s modelling his plan on Eisenhower’s effort in the 1950’s.

        The thing that really irks me is that we’re devaluing the label fascist to the point where, when we actually get fascists, people like me will be deprived of the label’s potency. Idiots will have devalued it down to zero. They’ve already gotten it most of the way there.

        • chezami

          I can’t believe your making excuses for this fascist and the base that supports him. Insane.

          • I can’t believe that you’re playing useful idiot to the fascist cause. Trump will not get my vote in the primaries because I think that he is wrong for this country. Trump is too Nixonian and we need a Reagan style leader in my opinion. Trump cares about winning much more than he cares about forming a lasting coalition beyond his ego dominated self.

            What Trump is not is a fascist. Movements like Golden Dawn, which are fascist, are getting a lot of help by the leftist habit of trying to smear effective non fascists they don’t like as fascists. Sucks to be Greece is all I can say but they’re a military non-entity on a global scale if they end up going fascist. If we do it, the situation is uniquely dangerous because of the effectiveness of our military.

            Stop fooling around and playing that left wing game. Fascism means something. People can be all kinds of bad news and not be fascist.

    • You’re at the least making a technical error. Slander is verbal. When it’s written it’s called libel.

      I too am not a Trump fan. I remain neutral in the 2016 race but am currently leaning towards Cruz. Another round in a decades long game of “smear the right as fascist” is not what I want to read about either, especially in a forum that claims the mantle Catholic. Truth is supposed to matter for the Church. It certainly doesn’t matter for The New Republic which Mark enthusiastically is linking to.

      • chezami

        The man is reduced to mocking people with disabilities and his base of thugs still cheers for him. Insane.

        • Self absorbed jerks are not the same thing as fascist. It is really bad to take fascism and make it a synonym for jerkface. Fascism is orders of magnitude worse than that. If you can’t see the damage you’re doing when you conflate the two, you should stop commenting on politics because you are objectively helping the fascists when you call Donald Trump a fascist.

          Europe is right in the middle of letting actual fascism back in among the legitimate electoral options because for decades they have been calling non-fascists fascists and reading those non-fascist rightists out of polite society. The results are likely to be bloody and utterly predictable. I hate that it will be happening in Europe and absolutely despise that it might happen here too. Don’t be a part of that idiocy. Save the label for people who actually qualify for the actual political/economic/social movement.

          • Artevelde

            Kudos on repeatedly pointing out that unhelpful inadequate labeling .. is not helpful. I fully agree. You might wish to reconsider your opinion on the European right though. It’s always been there, regardless whether its ideas were labeled as fascism from time to time by nearly everyone on the left.

            • It is very hard, in my observation, for americans who don’t pay very close attention to differentiate between the european right that imposes an electoral blockade on rightist parties and the european right that suffers under that electoral blockade. And here’s the kicker, differentiating between the justified and unjustified uses of the blockade tactic. This sort of thing happens in the US but it’s really rare and people struggle with that type of situation.

              This difficulty, in part, comes from the US feature of assembling governing majorities before the election while parliamentary systems assemble it afterwards. The nuts tend to get filtered out in the primary election phase.

              Another part of the problem is that, until fairly recently, people largely understood in the US how dangerous it was to falsely exclude and label large segments of the electorate as illegitimate and barely human. That fear has been overcome by the fear of a generational loss of power on the part of the left. The evisceration of the Democratic party below the presidential level has put the left in a really tough spot. All they’ve got at this point is the Presidency and I expect a full on campaign of dehumanization that makes the one against Mitt Romney seem like a Sunday school picnic. The labeling of Trump’s supporters as fascists instead of a probably flaggable for deletion in Disqus body part is part of that campaign. It’s intent is to get people like Mark to pick it up and amplify it. What Trump is doing is trolling these lefties into going overboard so that the broad middle will go into backlash mode and shove Trump into the Oval Office as the only way available to get these cretins to stop misusing the term fascist.

              This is no way to run a republic. But it might be a winning electoral strategy. A lot of people are sick of being falsely accused. A lot of people want to end this sort of character assassination. A lot of people are tired of being scared of denunciations in their schools and jobs for private opinions that have nothing to do with their fitness for a degree or a paycheck. Trump is trolling to place himself as these people’s tribune.

              Update: A more professionally written expression of my sentiment can be found at The American Interest:

              • Artevelde

                What exactly do you mean with ‘electoral blockade’? I assume you are referring to the tactic of announcing before elections are held that one under no circumstances will join a coalition of which party X, Y or Z is part of? Yes, that’s a tactic that has been used against, among others, the Front National in France or against the Vlaams Blok in my own country, Belgium. It has been used against parties perceived to be on the too radical left as well and it is indeed often accompanied by the kind of ‘boo fascist’ rhetoric. To say that those parties suffer under it would be incorrect though. They often thrive and revel in their isolation, and tend to become less relevant only when key parts of their program have been absorbed by more mainstream parties or when more moderate parties along their own political lines have popped up.

                • If electoral blockade is not the correct term, I’ll be perfectly happy to use it assuming you’ll share the right term. Yes, we’re talking about the same thing.

                  The parties both suffer and thrive under it. They certainly suffer by not being in the government. They thrive in popular support. There’s something of a debate in the US as to whether all of these parties are actually extremist or just operating so out of the center-left EU consensus that they’ve exceeded the limits of the local Overton Window.

                  • Artevelde

                    I asked for clarification because some parties are actually banned under, for instance, the provisions of the German constitution. A different debate though. We’re talking about the same thing here.
                    Suffering from not being in the government is a direct result of the inability to build bridges and of being seen as an unreliable government partner by all or almost all other parties. Sometimes that’s a strategy to gather public support, sometimes it’s just bad politics.
                    We’re not going to agree on this, but I’d label what you call the EU consensus as centrist or even center-right. It does depend on the topic though. If we’re talking taxation and wealth distribution, you’re probably right to call it center-left, at least from a US perspective. Policies involving international trade, on the other hand, are barely distinguishable from those of the USA, and you probably wouldn’t call those center-left. Moral issues like abortion .. well I wouldn’t use left and right for those and I’d label European abortion policies (though they differ from country to country) as belonging within consensus liberalism and those of the US as doctrinary and/or extreme liberalism.
                    What exactly separates extremism from being outside the accepted window of discourse is hard to define. It’s not a secret that we generally differ from you in what we consider to be broadly acceptable politics, which of course explains why the two of us can’t agree on what is center-right or center-left. Statist policies that would make any American reach for his ancestor’s smoothbore come to mind. But that too is not a simple right vs left debate. Most of us feel that nationalist and separatist parties are acceptable (Scotland, Catalonia, Northern Italy …) to a degree they wouldn’t be in, let’s say, Texas.

              • Artevelde

                That’s a very good article. I have visited this blog for quite a while now, and while I often agree with Mark when dealing with issues of, among others, poverty or torture, I find myself in disagreement with his general positions on borders, migration and identity. I have realized for many years that the European center, for which I have a great fondness, has allowed itself to become hostage to a very leftist position in these matters. I’d argue though that ideologically there is not that much difference with the situation in the USA. On both sides of the Atlantic taking a firm stance on the three topics I mentioned above quickly earns one some nasty labels. Or at least, it used to. What makes the situation in Europe worse is the nature of our migrant population, many of which are Arab or Turkish Muslims, and the fact that a generous system of social security tends to be more vulnerable to any type of large scale migration.

              • falstaff77

                From the AI:
                “we noted a common dynamic in Europe in which “the failure of the elites to respect the will of the large swathes of people creates an increasingly illiberal right-wing backlash, which in turn drives moderates to vote for the left, and so on in cycles.” Usually, that’s the way things work. But if the elites continue to ignore the legitimate concerns of security-conscious citizens, it may be enough to break that cycle and put a nasty party in power in one or two places.”

                Precisely. Now with good timing and direction from stage left comes Shea yelling fascist. Its a bit part, true, but he will be known among the dedicated when the baricades go up.

  • Philosophical Actuary

    I wonder how totalitarian he really is. Is it just a populist fervor of saying what people want to hear and the insanity of the mob to follow or does he truly believes in the bread and circuses he promises?

    • Andy

      If he doesn’t believe what he his saying then who knows what he believes which scares the hell out of me. If he does believe what he says then heaven help us.

  • Re_Actor
  • Stu

    I don’t blame Trump. I blame the American people and I blame the GOP and Democrat party for being so inept that they set the stage for a guy like Trump. Take immigration for instance. I’m convinced that the overwhelming majority of Americans would be tickled with a secure and ordered border (doesn’t have to be a wall but maybe it does) and then would be okay with a final round of amnesty. But we are on our third round of amnesty in one generation and no solution in site for the border. Such ineptitude sets the stage for a guy like Trump, who has a REPUTATION (note, I said REPUTATION) for getting things done to run on a very simplistic plank WRT to this challenge.

    People are tired and simply want someone who they believe (rightly or wrongly) will get the job done.

    • LSpinelli

      Thank you, Stu. I’ve been trying to figure out exactly why my family is so taken with Trump. Now I know. My dad and my husband both own their own businesses. They want and get things done.

      I’m the only one out of all these people who isn’t part of the Trump love fest. That’s because while I’m also a doer, I spend an enormous amount of time thinking an issue through before I get to work.

      Like I see the article from the AP about more Mexicans now leaving the US than coming. Do Trump’s fans ever take the time to do a little research about any of these issues?

  • Ken

    Come on, Mark get with it. He’s a businessman and he’s going to do businessman stuff. He doesn’t have time for silly things like the Constitution and people’s rights. That stuff is for loser non-businessman people who don’t get stuff done. He’s already assured us that he’s going to make our heads spin when he gets in office. That’s enough for me. Really, I’d like to have my head spun now so I know what I’m getting but I keep reminding myself he’s a businessman and businessmen get things done. I can already see his first week in office.
    Day 1 eliminate ISIS.
    Day 2 Build wall
    Day 3 send bill to Mexico
    Day 4 Get Putin out of Ukraine
    Day 5 Fix economy
    Day 6 round up all illegal immigrants and deport them
    Day 7 watch football
    And that’s just the first week wait until he actually gets some experience.

    • Stu

      It is going to be huuuuuuuuggggge.

  • Artevelde

    Trump is not a fascist. The Pope is not a communist. Neither label is in the least helpful.