Why Christmas Should Be Cancelled This Year

Why Christmas Should Be Cancelled This Year November 26, 2018

Advent begins this Sunday.  Christians around the world will spend four holy weeks preparing our hearts for the birth of the long-awaited savior, Jesus.

Jesus, born in a barn because no one cared to make room for him in the inn.

Jesus, born in a land occupied by a violent, selfish, greedy invading force.

Jesus, whose parents fled to Egypt with him when he was a baby because scores of children his age were dying in their homeland.

Jesus, whose skin was brown.

Jesus, who lived in poverty his whole life.

Jesus, who was tortured.

Jesus, was was brutally and unjustly executed.

Jesus, who said, “Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me.”

And then in 2016, in the name of Jesus, 80% evangelicals went to the polls and voted for a man whose agenda is not only different, but antithetical, to everything Jesus taught.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals refuse to make room for immigrants.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals spend billions of dollars to start unfounded wars and spend decades occupying places we have no business being.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals refuse to help immigrants who are trying to get to a safe place because in their homeland, scores of children are dying every day.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals discriminate against people whose skin is darker than ours.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals refuse help to impoverished people, and refuse to work to end the system of greed and discrimination and selfishness that causes poverty in the first place.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals sanctioned waterboarding and other forms of torture.

In the name of Jesus, evangelicals support the death penalty, the NRA, lax gun laws and other policies that lead to people being unjustly executed.

In the state of evangelicalism today, Jesus’ birth isn’t a cause for celebration. It’s a cause for deep grief, mourning and repentance.  Because the Jesus most evangelicals celebrate at Christmas is the one who grew up to condemn the very acts most evangelicals participate in today.

“Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me.”

You can’t celebrate Jesus, let alone claim to follow him, while condoning imprisoning 14,000 unaccompanied migrant children, showering families with young children with tear gas, demeaning people of color, or turning a deaf ear to people pleading for help.

Christmas should be cancelled until we’re actually ready to welcome Jesus into our hearts, our homes, our thinking, our voting, our actions, our words, our lives….until we’re ready to recognize Jesus in the eyes of everyone.  Especially the “least of these.”

 

 

 

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  • Ivan T. Errible

    Christmas is a waste of time, effort, and money. Just like religion.

  • herbprof

    Exclusivist religions have one thing in common, they are just so positive that God is as mentally sick, and stupid as they are!
    And I think that this statement below, “identifying who the God in the Bible really is, is the truth about the Bible’s version of God!
    “God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully”
    —Richard Dawkins

    Happy Healthy Trails
    Doc Blake

  • Scott

    Oh please! Customs and border patrol has used tear gas since 2010, and deployed it 26 times in fiscal 2012 and 27 times in 2013 (by their own admission). The use dropped after that, but was still deployed three times in 2016, Mr. Obama’s final full year in office. On any given day there are women and children at the border. Where was the outrage then? There wasn’t any because this is all ideolagically driven.

  • Nimblewill

    In the name of Jesus, Progressives would kill evangelicals and think they were doing God a favor. I’m neither by the way. I really wanted to be a progressive Christian but y’all are some of the meanest people I’ve encountered since wanting to become a Calvinist. I celebrate Christmas because I am as effed up as the rest of humanity and I’m in desperate need of a Savior.

  • BertB

    So because there wasn’t any outrage then, it’s okay now? But you are right that it is all ideologically driven. That ideology is what the writer deplores in the article. It’s me first and to Hell with everybody else.

  • BertB

    It would be good fun if they would just keep Christ out of it.

  • BertB

    Geez, I wish Dawkins wouldn’t beat around the bush so much. He needs to just say it straight out! :>)

  • Scott

    I didn’t write that. A group of individuals, out numbering border control, tried to storm the entrance. They were dispersed with tear gas. Is it unfortunate that women and children were present? Yes but the hysteria in the press and by the left that “Trump is gassing women and children” is a disgusting narrative. It’s selective moral outrage and is another example of how we do not have an impartial press. Why was this not an issue when Obama did it 50+ times? In all seriousness, I’d really like an answer to that question. Why weren’t the press and progressives up in arms about it then?

  • iQuestor

    This article get high Marx: neuter the populace with gun control, let in a deluge of unemployable young men of military age and fitness, overburden the economy with taxes, and then restore order at the point of a gun, George Soros couldn’t have gotten a better idea.
    Now, that’s what I call the Christmas spirit.

  • bplewis24

    Don’t forget illogical and/or stupid. Your first sentence makes absolutely zero sense, and reeks of false equivalency.

  • Nimblewill

    ……………and you prove my point. Thanks and Yep sometimes I’m illogical and stupid. I do agree that my first sentence makes as about as much sense as……..

    “In the name of Jesus, evangelicals discriminate against people whose skin is darker than ours.”

    1. I have told you these things so that you will not fall away. 2. They will put you out of the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3. They will do these things because they have not known the Father or Me.…

  • Scott

    Ideology is the new religion of the left. It’s been the religion of the right for some time now but a fairly new phenomenon on the left. They’ve become down right militant.

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    If only you knew that modern progressivism is much closer to Jesus’ teachings than the modern abomination called conservatism and evangelicalism and most christianity. But hey, keep fighting the War on Christmas.

    Also, how are we (progressives) mean? Need a tissue, sweetie pie?

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    Black-Friday’mas is all it is now. Consumer’mas?

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    Wow, you people are truly off your rocker. Did you blame Soros when you stubbed your toe last week? Is it Soros’ fault you beat your wife in the name of Q?

  • Dennis

    Sarah “The Barge”: Last time I checked, POTUS is not a religious leader who is supposed to implement your version of Christianity. POTUS is a secular position who is supposed to do what is best for America. Trump is doing what I think is best for America, i.e. strong immigration policy, strong security, and putting America first. That is why many people (not just evangelicals) voted for him.

  • bplewis24

    No, geezus christ, are you really this dense?

    1) Pointing out that you have said something completely stupid and illogical does NOT prove the point that progressive liberals want to murder evangelicals.
    2) You trying to find a comparison between the two is just digging a deeper hole for your credibility.
    3) The fact that you, again, try to create a parallel between the stupidity of saying progressives want to murder evangelicals with the indisputable fact that conservative evangelicals have used Jesus to discriminate against people with darker skin just further proves my original point. Case in point, see this article and these quotes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/07/21/feature/god-trump-and-the-meaning-of-morality/

    “Love thy neighbor, she said, meant “love thy American neighbor.”
    Welcome the stranger, she said, meant the “legal immigrant stranger.”
    “The Bible says, ‘If you do this to the least of these, you do it to me,’ ” Sheila said, quoting Jesus. “But the least of these are Americans, not the ones crossing the border.””

  • Corinne M. Cavanagh

    Winter Solstice Shopping Holiday.

  • B.E. Miller

    But they have to be the ‘right sort’ of American neighbor. None of them brown skinned or atheist ones….only them Real True Christian(tm) ones.

  • BertB

    Some have, and it is understandable. If your enemy is nasty, it’s hard to remain a good guy. As some famous football coach once said, “Nice guys finish last.”

  • BertB

    How ’bout “Winter Solstice Shopping and Gifting Holiday?”
    WSSAGH. A much nicer word than Christmas.

  • D.B

    terrible discourse, ad hominem, and straw man.

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    I am so sorry for your pain and frustration. I spent many years going through a struggle to find my Savior. All the time, He was there with his hand out. This may help: find a quiet place where you can be alone; relax with some deep breathing and clear your mind. Then think about what you want. You may find that Jesus is your answer.

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    How mean and inappropriate. Perhaps you need some time alone in prayer.

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    It’s all nice for you to share your thoughts. But, if you can’t minister to someone who needs help, perhaps you shouldn’t try.

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    The people willing to kill others in the name of Jesus don’t really belong to Jesus. If they did, they would follow his teachings. Please don’t listen to them or allow their lack of knowledge and love to hurt you.

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    OK, you really need help on so many levels. Jesus had brown skin dude.

  • Vucodlak

    This progressive has no interest in killing evangelicals. I don’t like it when people who might have been saved die, and I don’t like it when people suffer unnecessarily. That’s the principle reason why I’m a progressive.

    However, when I encounter cheerleaders for, and dealers of, death and suffering I do tend to get mean. There are more important things than being nice, and I will not tell soothing lies to spare the feelings of those who commit or support atrocities like the ones mentioned in the post. It is no virtue to coddle evil.

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    Because they didn’t care then Scott. They only care now because it is Trump.

  • Vucodlak

    Somehow I don’t think you spreading the latest iteration of those tired old anti-Semitic lies is very Christmasy, either.

  • John Purssey

    Only a tangent. She didn’t mention POTUS. Just the predominant expression of Christianity.

  • John Purssey

    Nonsense.

  • John Purssey

    They do, mostly.

  • John Purssey

    Richard Dawkins is a typical fundamentalist evangelical.

  • BertB

    Aye, and they are nae True Scotsmen!

  • BertB

    Yeah, but the Bible thumpers complain every year about this time.
    And that reminds me of this:
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2015/12/18/christmas-busybodies/

  • John Purssey

    You don’t have to listen to them. Ignore them and you’ll enjoy yourself more.

  • Nimblewill

    This is my stand on Jesus’ brown skin. Take the whitest man and the blackest man and Jesus was right in the middle. I’m continually amazed when you disagree with hate filled rhetoric and the term racist begins to fly. I’ve got an adopted brown skinned daughter. The fact that people on the left always revert to name calling (bplewis24) is in my estimation to distract from having real conversations. Not all evangelicals are racist, or homophobes, I attend an evangelical church where a black man baptized his step daughter on Sunday. I attend church with Asians and Hispanics as well. Our pastor said on Sunday that all were welcome at our church and named trans people and homosexuals. I’m sure that many of you would say that to prove that I’m not racist I would go to an all black church. I have attended an all Hispanic church. It scared them but they made me feel very welcome. They even translated the service and I was the only English speaking person in the building; My brother is gay and I have a gay niece. I have two lesbians who are close friends. Do I want open borders? Hell no! Do I hate evangelicals? Hell no! I don’t hate progressives either. Here’s the deal. My brown skinned savior didn’t limit neighbors to people from different countries. My neighbors are progressives, and Catholics, and Mormons, and atheist, People who I agree with and disagree with and If bplewis24 had been robbed and beaten and laying on the side of the road I would help him. He would be welcome in my home even though he thinks I’m stupid, dense and illogical. I’m not sure he would want my help though because I’m an evangelical. Which simply means that I depend on Jesus for my salvation. Why? On my own I’m a walking contradiction, I’m the prodigal and the older brother, I’m Cain and Able. In Christ there is no condemnation or separation, I’m a new creature. Stay in One Peace, neighbors.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    “Why Christmas Should Be Cancelled This Year”

    Christians are free to cancel their celebration if they choose. Pagans will likely still do their celebrating with their customs that Christianity has plagiarized ( such as the tree, yule logs, gift giving..)

  • David B. Miller

    Sarah, I appreciate much of what your column does in terms of seeing Jesus in the stranger, the alien, the outcast. However, I grew weary at your repetitious drumbeat of – “In the name of Jesus, evangelicals… .” Your brush is too broad and you too easily dismiss those evangelicals whose hospitality and witness for justice and peace far exceeds my own. Sadly, their voices are too often ignored because those who have made an easy alliance between their faith and right wing politics make far better news copy, are such an easy caricature and fill the progressives (like myself) with a self-righteous arrogance.

    It would be far more constructive to name those who are trying to be faithful to the evangel no matter what it costs. Columns such as this only serve to make such as these even more invisible. I get the outrage and frustration, I have more than my fair share of it, but this is not a way forward. Grace, wisdom and peace to you.

  • Dennis

    She implied Trump when she said: “In the name of Jesus, evangelicals refuse to make room for immigrants. In the name of Jesus, evangelicals spend billions of dollars to start unfounded wars and spend decades occupying places we have no business being. In the name of Jesus, evangelicals refuse to help immigrants who are trying to get to a safe place because in their homeland, scores of children are dying every day.” Evangelicals don’t do these things as a group.

  • BertB

    Evangelicals voted, as a group, for Trump. He is an asshole, by any reasonable definition; narcissistic, lying, bigoted, crotch-groping asshole. If Obama had done such things, there would have been self-righteous howls of outrage.. The fact that evangelicals supported him…and still do…because he does a few things they like is a testimony to their moral bankruptcy.

  • Dennis

    You, like so many other Trump-haters, fail to separate his personal life from his policies. I don’t agree with everything he does in his personal life, like his sex life. But if you can’t get past that, then you need to be consistent and hate JFK because he had numerous extramarital affairs, hate Clinton because of his, at least, one affair, and hate many other presidents if you investigate their personal lives. You also need to hate Nancy Pelosi because she is a narcissistic, lying bitch. I also don’t fixate on Trump’s tweets, like you and the media do. I like his policies of strong immigration, strong security, and putting America first in trade. For those reasons, I still support Trump and will vote for him again.

  • BertB

    Comparing Trump to JFK or Clinton is ridiculous. Trump’s sexual misconduct is only one dimension of his degradation of the office of the President of the United States. When JFK or Clinton went abroad and held talks with foreign leaders, they were respected and respectful others. The closest comparison I can come to describing Trump’s antics is Nikita Khruschev, taking off his shoe and banging it on the speaker’s lectern. Trump is a fool, admiring the worst of our enemies and offending our best friends. He epitomizes the Ugly American…a loud, boastful bully, arrogant and ignorant. The fact that his supporters are willing to put up with that, and will vote for him again says a lot about them.

  • BertB

    As they should ignore those who don’t share their religious views. But they don’t. So I can’t. Good guys get steamrollered by assholes if they don’t fight back.

  • Dennis

    It is all about policies that I agree with. If you want to continue with weak & timid leaders who let the other nations walk all over us, then by all means, continue to vote for Democrats. Maybe even Hillary will run again!! (Let’s hope.)

  • John Purssey

    Context. We are not in the post 2nd Temple destruction culture exclusion of Christians and all Jewish groups but Pharisees from synagogues. I don ‘t know of any Christians worried by exclusion from synagogues, if that even happens now!

  • John Purssey

    That may be, but you have control over yourself and not them.

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    What was mean and inappropriate? My listing of facts?

    I prefer meditation instead of talking to a made up voice in the sky.

  • B.E. Miller

    I guess I should have put an /end sarcasm on that. I meant it to be sarcastic. (I would have thought that the trademark tag on the Real True Christians would have given it away.)

  • B.E. Miller

    Hey, Europeans have been killing the indigenous peoples of the Americas for centuries, in the name of Jesus.

    Like Hatuey was told that the Spanish go to heaven, so that’s why he said he’d rather be in hell (with the rest of his people.)

    Or like when friar Valverde presented Atahualpa with his liturgical book, and Atahualpa threw it to the ground. Apparently this meant it was okay by God for the Spanish to kill the last Inca emperor.

  • BertB

    I prefer leaders who don’t alienate the whole fucking world except dictators of hostile countries, start trade wars, shut down environmental actions while claiming that climate change is a “hoax.” And a whole lot more.

  • Progressives have form of Mental Illness. Your ideology is so far from Christ He would tell you that I don’t know you if He saw you.

  • Dennis

    Then continue to vote Democrat. Presidents like Obama won’t irritate foreign leaders but at the cost of not doing what is best for America.

  • BertB

    If “doing what is best for America” means fucking up the rest of the world, then I certainly will continue to vote Democratic.

  • Nimblewill

    Thanks for the context John. I was guilty of using it out of context. My point was and is that we seem to hate people who are different theologically. I’m saddened when Christians of differences can’t overcome those differences. Simon the Zealot a sworn enemy of Rome and Matthew the Tax Collector, a tool of Rome put aside theirs in Christ. That’s all I want. We should take a stance on who we are for and not against. I failed to do that and I apologize to all involved. Stay in One Peace.

  • Nimblewill

    I’m clueless that the tm meant sarcasm. I did take it as hyperbole though.

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    Please explain how current liberals’ ideals are mentally ill and far from Christ.

    Would Christ approve of demonizing the needy and poor, and tear-gassing immigrants fleeing for their lives? Would He approve of putting the rich on a pedestal, valuing them over everybody else? Would He approve of the brimming hate within modern conservatives, let alone the corruption, constant lying, and demonization of everyone not like them?

    I’ll wait eagerly for your answers.

  • I’ll let Rush explain it for me:

    Rush Limbaugh said on his radio show Wednesday “your average, ordinary, everyday liberal or Democrat” is now “genuinely mentally ill” thanks to our hysterical, “fearmongering” media.

    “They’re sick, folks, they have literally been rendered sick,” Rush said. “Your average, ordinary, everyday liberal or Democrat is genuinely mentally ill now when it comes to matters of politics and current affairs, current events. And they’ve been rendered this way by the media.”
    Rush continued: “They literally have believed all this fearmongering and scaremongering. They believe campuses are places where rapes are happening. They believe innocent black men are being gunned down multiple times a day by the cops. They believe that Donald Trump’s coming for everybody who’s gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, whatever, and gonna be put in concentration camps.”

    Your last paragraph is self-serving Democrat talking points and of course Christ would not approve. But your comment is not factually correct and misleading: “Would Christ approve of demonizing the needy and poor, and tear-gassing immigrants fleeing for their lives? Would He approve of putting the rich on a pedestal, valuing them over everybody else? Would He approve of the brimming hate within modern conservatives, let alone the corruption, constant lying, and demonization of everyone not like them?

  • BertB

    Ah, it’s so good to hear from Rush. He always is spot on with his thoughtful and intelligent comments. We really should elect him President after Trump’s second term. /s

  • Ivan T. Errible

    Churches use ideology and emotion to get what they want.
    Pathetic.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    Why are so many, if not most churches, either shrinking or just holding their own?
    They must be boring or irrelevant or expensive or some combination of these.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    Suppose I don’t believe in jesus? Why should I do what you say I should?
    If you have rational/non-religious reasons for my doing what you want me to do, why bring Jesus into it?

  • Ivan T. Errible

    There is no god.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    And that’s relevant to me, an atheist-why?

  • Ivan T. Errible

    How about just staying home and saving money, time, and trouble?

  • Guillermo Martinez

    …context is everything… Our nations treatment of immigrants at the border takes place in the midst of a political environment which has been polluted by the racist baiting demagoguery of a man who was elected to the presidency with the support of the KKK and American Nazi Party. Thank you Sarah for your words! What we’re doing to immigrants at the border is an utter disgrace. America was literally built on the backs of immigrants. To be anti-immigrant, is to be engaged in a pernicious form of cultural hypocrisy..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c3cc72353d3815250158100cc4d61d37de4fd1ddeff920f6ccbb9a03f78be90c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32959739bb1b77ac55b65a419206326a341816516f815c0c250571ee8675ae9f.jpg

  • Brianna LaPoint

    People see what they want to see. I was a seeker. It was after many years of searching for Jesus, i found myself instead. Because to me, Jesus was a mythical figure, made to be molded into whatever people want him to be. the bible verse matt 10:34 is self fulfilling, and i watched my family tear itself apart over who had the REAL interpretation of Jesus. This is why im no longer christian, and i refuse to subject myself to the christian religion again, because i learned a lot more since deconverting.

  • Brianna LaPoint

    hmm, ive never seen a progressive christian commit genocide. My gripe is that christians cant get along with other christians. But thanks for reinforcing what i already know.

  • Guillermo Martinez

    Hi Mr. Miller,

    I don’t think Sarah meant to dismiss all those countless, unseen Christians whose daily walk and witness stand in marked contrast to the hypocrisy of those in the “church” who have given their support to the race baiting demagoguery rampant throughout the land…

    Given that close to 47 % of Americans voted for Trump in spite of his explicit and persistent mendacity is profoundly disturbing. There have been reports, from the legitimate press, that 90% of white evangelical women lent their support and votes for Trump in the last election. With this in mind, Sarah’s rhetoric in lambasting the hypocrisy of so many within the “church” is quite understandable and I would say appropriate…

    The “church” has, in my opinion has been woefully negligent in casting a strong and piercing light on the systemic complicity of those who have lent their support to Trump and those of his ilk.

    “Grace, peace and wisdom” to you also brother!

  • Guillermo Martinez

    Trump was elected to the Presidency with the support of the KKK and American Nazi Party. If you voted for him, you’re complicit in the evil he and they stand for….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a841e386030dbdd651eb9c521fae048e2ba1c919abbdd111fcae1ea455003cc5.png

  • Vucodlak

    Yeah… I’m not a Christian, and I don’t particularly care about churches. The dull laziness of your trolling offends me, however, so I’m going to address your wildly off-topic comment.

    The conclusion in your second sentence does not necessarily follow from the question you ask. Yes, churches may be shrinking because they’re boring, irrelevant, or expensive, but where’s your evidence that this is the case? Are we just supposed to take your word for it?

    Please. You haven’t earned that kind of trust, and if you want me to take it on “faith” then you’re going to have prove you’re a deity first. Actually, scratch that- even if you could prove you’re a god, I wouldn’t be impressed enough to believe anything you have to say. You’re like a little kid running around asking people if they want to smell your farts.

    No. No, I don’t. Go away.

  • Dennis

    You need to take a course in logic. You are trying to promote guilt by association, which is a fallacy. See http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html Guilt by association is the attempt to discredit an idea based upon disfavored people or groups associated with it. So you want Trump supporters to stop supporting Trump because the KKK and the neo-Nazis supposedly do. But the fallacy of this is that Trump has some good ideas, in my opinion, like a strong immigration policy to protect our country not only from violence (ISIS and immigrant felons) but from infrastructure decline. If we open the door to all immigrants who can’t pay for medical services and can’t pay taxes and don’t have jobs, then that puts a strain on our tax and medical infrastructure. So I basically don’t care if the neo-Nazis and the KKK supported Trump over Hillary in the election and still support him. We only had two choices in the election, and I believe that Trump was the best choice. I still support him for his policies, not for everything he does in his personal life.

  • Vucodlak

    They believe campuses are places where rapes are happening.

    Rape is depressingly common throughout our society. Is there some reason why anyone shouldn’t believe that rape occurs on campuses, in spite of the mountains of evidence that say they are?

    They believe innocent black men are being gunned down multiple times a day by the cops.

    I know of no one who claims that this happens “multiple times a day” but, like rape, it’s a depressingly common occurrence. Even once would be a time too many, and it’s happened a lot more than once.

    They believe that Donald Trump’s coming for everybody who’s gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, whatever, and gonna be put in concentration camps.

    Well, he’s already put children in concentration camps, and once someone has done that it becomes reasonable to assume their depravity knows no limit.

    So it seems that Rush’s definition of “mentally ill” is “cognizant of reality.” Fascinating. What will be the message of tomorrow’s program, I wonder? War is peace? Freedom is slavery?

  • Rush was quoting Jim Geraghty at National Review, who found, “The more time I spend covering politics, the more I’m convinced that a significant chunk of grassroots political activists aren’t really arguing about politics at all. These folks are actually grappling with personal psychological issues and projecting it onto the world of politics. Every problem they had with a parent is projected onto authority figures.”
    Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/rush-limbaugh-democrats-infected-by-mental-problems/#kX5D5o75Wj10jVGC.99

  • Guillermo Martinez

    Dennis your response is specious…

    “so I basically don’t care if neo-nazis and the KKK supported Trump…”

    a remarkable and stunning admission on your part and deeply disturbing….

    You may want to rethink that…

  • Guillermo Martinez
  • Dennis

    You like to post pictures, but they do nothing to refute the points I made in my previous post. I’m sure the KKK and the American Nazi Party also favor rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) So, by your logic, that must mean that the rest of us need to oppose those ideas.

  • Dennis

    See my other post I just sent. Please reply just once to me each time.

  • Widuran

    What a cowardly anti Christian bigoted post. It is full of BS I do not know what else to say but it is rubbish

  • Widuran

    Yes exactly. If people try and invade illegally then they take the rists

  • Widuran

    Progressive Christian is a contradiction i

  • Widuran

    Yep Liberals are the biggest bigots

  • Widuran

    Yes this is progressive Christianity

  • B.E. Miller

    Thanks! I was surprised that Linda Allen seemed to think I was serious.

  • B.E. Miller

    They are the only Real True Christians(tm)! They are the Realest Truest Christians, like evah!

    /end sarcasm

  • B.E. Miller

    I’m sorry, your comment is making me LOL.

  • B.E. Miller

    Don’t forget their fuss over the Starbucks Christmas cups.

  • Mr. James Parson

    I am sure you will

  • Chari McCauley

    So do marketers and thieves, so?? They can scam your money, if they use the right language, too.
    Look at all the rich scientologists.

  • Nimblewill

    Why would anything be relevant to an atheist? I’m being serious.

  • Jennifer

    this sort of virtue signaling is what gets me. It is so easy to write a blog or a tweet and show pity for people. it is harder to go down there and cross the border with food and medicine and give real help. Abolitionists who were worth their salt actually helped slaves to escape, and when the Civil War was over they opened schools to teach newly freed people how to read and write and do math. Writing sob stories in the newspapers about the poor slaves and how ppl should have foregone a holiday would have accomplished nothing. Other than showing ignorance about the concept of what national borders are and how it is not racist to want them protected, this sort of writing accomplishes nothing. If you stay up to date on South and Central American politics, you will read that millions of ppl are fleeing economic hardship from Venezuela and going to Ecuador and Colombia and being treated like shit by most of the people there. UNICEF has sent hundreds of workers to take care of the ppl with food and medical treatment. Are Ecuadorians and Colombians also racist? When Sub-Saharan Africans enter Morocco and are sent home by the govt is that just because of racism, or can brown people not be racist against other brown people? I am as liberal as they come, but I am not stupid and I am not ignorant of human nature.

  • cleos_mom

    There’s a reason for the passive voice being used in the headline; i.e., no one has the authority to do that and it ain’t gonna happen. Really, people.

  • cleos_mom

    I’ll let Rush explain it for me:

    Pretty much tells people all they need to know.

  • cleos_mom

    Yes — that moment when someone whose actions, words and/or policies become embarrassing and they are subsequently (and magically) rendered “unreal.”

  • Ivan T. Errible

    Why are you asking me to do something that I may not want to do based on a mythology that you KNOW I don’t share?

  • Ivan T. Errible

    So you’re on the same moral level as Scientology?
    LOL!! Thought so!

  • cleos_mom

    The Book of Job is a classic example.

    Insecure deity, who evidently isn’t omniscient, makes a vanity-inspired wager with the Adversary that results in a man’s life being destroyed. When the victim understandably wants an explanation, the above-referenced deity verbally struts around boasting about his achievements and general wonderfulhood. In the end, Job still hasn’t a clue as to why all this happened although the reader does.

    One of the most bizarre aspects of the Bible’s history is this thoroughly cynical piece so often being touted as inspirational.

  • Guthrum

    Advent begins this coming Sunday. It is a time of preparation of the coming of our Lord and Saviour. During Advent we light candles on the Advent wreath. We read appropriate Bible selections usually of the prophecies of the birth of Jesus. We attend church and sing, pray, and listen to the Good News. It is a time of repentance, contemplation, and anticipation. A time of great hope. It is not a time to bury our heads in the sand and try to deny the spiritual time of the church year we are in. To “cancel” Christmas is to give up, to close the Manger door, to turn the three wisemen around, to silence the angels, and to turn off the candles that bring light to the gloom and darkness.
    We are in the world, but not of the world. Jesus and the Christmas message transcends the despair, sin, and selfishness of our world. Jesus is the hope of the world. “Let none that on thee: be ashamed”. Advent I gradual, Lutheran Service Book and Hymnal, 1958.
    Follow the lessons and readings for Advent, 2018-2019 lectionary calendar, Vanderbilt University.

  • Rush is the most listened to talk radio host of all time. His opinions and commentary are without equal.

  • Depends on the people you are referring to doesn’t it.

  • BertB

    Well, I certainly agree with that. :>)

  • BertB
  • a r tompkins

    Um … may I suggest a new premise for your piece: how about “Xmas Should Be Cancelled. Period.”? That’s a much better idea.

  • Chari McCauley

    Because Father calls them out. Rev 18:4.
    There’s more of what The Father, and His Son want on the street where life happens.
    The Oldest Living Minds are older than all religions.
    That is why They will judge your deepest intentions, because Mother Nature has laws of chemistry and health that will eliminate all unremedied disease. The Oldest Living seeds of our kind had to learn that, if They intended to achieve immortal health. Eternity is older than immortality. Pain is the enemy; and Mother Nature will disinfect it.

    Like cutting off a limb to save the tree or body.
    And, those who remain will not miss the pain caused by the limbs…the peace that passes understanding. Like forgetting the pain of a tattoo or giving birth.

  • Chari McCauley

    No, He’s calling them out, now. Everything hidden will be brought into the light. A last chance, so to speak.
    Separating the weeds from the wheat.

  • acommentator

    There are no significant number of Americans who hate immigrants. Most people welcome and accept immigrants–legal immigrants. What people do not accept is illegal immigration. I have no doubt the author understands the difference. She chooses to ignore it so she can malign those who disagree with her.

    Her holier than thou attitude reeks through the whole piece.

  • David Cohen

    Rush is not qualified to diagnose mental illness. Neither are you.

  • David Cohen

    So popularity makes one right, at least in your mind.

    Jesus would be so proud

  • I agree. Neither of us did. See Jim Geraghty at National Review. Rush quoted him.
    But if you just read through the comments it becomes obvious to most.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    I’m so thrilled … I just found this website. It was as though I was the only Progressive/Liberal Christian on the face of the Earth.

    Of course I know I’m not since ‘only’ 81% of Evangelicals and other Christian denominations voted for TЯ卐mp.

    That leaves 19% who did NOT. Thank God.

    I see that TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp’s TOADS have infiltrated even this place with their fear-mongering; and still blaming President Obama for the viciousness, cruelty and TREASON of the Orange-Oaf.

    I’m here now as another true Child of God to refute the lies and conspiracy theories of those vile Evangelicals who wear the Mark of the Beast and are attempting to drag as many of us genuine Christians down into the Bottomless Pit with themselves and TЯ卐mp. – 2nd Thessalonians 2:9-12

    But God, through His Son and through His Apostles, has given us advance warning about TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp’s false prophets and wolves in sheep’s clothing. – Matthew 7:15, John 16:2

    To any and all Evangelicals and/or Christians who dared align themselves with TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp -> the BEAST and wear his mark … it may already be too late for you … but maybe God in His infinite mercy, will give you one more chance in the 2020 election, to turn from the Beast back to our Lord Jesus Christ.

    The choice is yours to make. Choose wisely!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    The Bible says otherwise, hypocrite! Let’s start with very familiar verses concerning a Christian’s treatment of refugees, immigrants, sojourners, aliens, and strangers … then go from there:

    • Matthew 22:36 and Mark 12:31

    “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

    • Matthew 7:12 & Luke 6:31

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

    • Matthew 19:14

    “But Jesus said, ‘Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.'”

    • Micah 6:8

    “He hath shown thee oh man what is good, and what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with thy God.”

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Furthermore, there is a plethora of Scripture which directly addresses the immigration issue:

    • Matthew 25:35

    “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,”

    • Jeremiah 22:3

    “Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.”

    • Exodus 22:21

    “You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.”

    • Hebrews 13:2

    “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”

    • Zechariah 7:9-10

    “Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”

    • Deuteronomy 27:19

    “Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.”

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    While that may be true, the greatest sin which ‘Christmas’ reveals is that it is NOT really Christ’s birthday … only an excuse for greedy money-changers to bilk the masses out of their money, during this Season-of-Capitalism-and-Consumerism … and using the Name of our Lord and Savior just to make a buck!

  • Guillermo Martinez

    “To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost blind, you
    draw large and startling figures.”

    Flannery O’Conner https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb1c7419d191321bea28386a0fee770190691a0eb7bf185f505eef730dc73b31.png

  • Guillermo Martinez
  • David Cohen

    Ah, the National Review, that is what stands in for a scientific journal in your mind.

    Tells us all we need to know

  • Dennis

    You like to post pictures, but they do nothing to refute the points I made in my previous post. I’m sure the KKK and the American Nazi Party also favor rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) So, by your logic, that must mean that the rest of us need to oppose this rebuilding.

  • David Cohen

    Rush continued:

    “They literally have believed all this fearmongering and
    scaremongering.”
    – You mean like when your lot tried to convince everyone that Obama was a Muslim and was turning over the American government to the Muslim Brotherhood?

    “They believe campuses are places where rapes are
    happening.”
    – Is he denying that rapes take place on college campuses? Do I really need to point out how naive that is?

    “They believe innocent black men are being gunned down
    multiple times a day by the cops.”
    – It doesn’t have to be multiple times a day for it to be wrong

    “They believe that Donald Trump’s
    coming for everybody who’s gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual,
    whatever, and gonna be put in concentration camps.”
    – Would those be like the FEMA camps conservatives were warning everyone about?

    You know, Rush really should have quit while he was ahead.

  • David Cohen

    Seeking asylum is not illegal

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states

    Clearly it is you who dies not understand the difference

  • David Cohen

    Wow, you sound mad. Did it shake you up that much when your God gave the House to the Democrats?

    Or does that theology only apply when Republicans win?

  • Widuran

    Well I am correct. It is a horse do do post

  • Guillermo Martinez

    The Potato Famine and Irish Immigration to America

    “Between 1845 and 1855 more than 1.5 million adults and children
    left Ireland to seek refuge in America. Most were desperately poor, and
    many were suffering from starvation and disease. They left because
    disease had devastated Ireland’s potato crops, leaving millions without
    food. The Potato Famine killed more than 1 million people in five years
    and generated great bitterness and anger at the British for providing
    too little help to their Irish subjects. The immigrants who reached
    America settled in Boston, New York, and other cities where they lived
    in difficult conditions. But most managed to survive, and their
    descendants have become a vibrant part of American culture.”

    http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-26-2-the-potato-famine-and-irish-immigration-to-america.html

  • Widuran

    Yes they would kill evangelicals

  • Guillermo Martinez
  • Dennis

    Is your point that we should open our southern border to allow more than 1.5 million people into the USA? Because that would be the number of immigrants once the news spread that the border is open with no strings attached. You live in a dream world! Things are much different now than in the 1800s. So many people want to get into America that they have to get in line and follow the process. Trump is not the only one who says this. So did Obama and Clinton.

  • Widuran

    This article is full of lies and deception which is a load of rubbish and do poo poo.

    Trump is way better than recent politicians

  • acommentator

    None of that requires us to take in every person who wants to come. Nor does it require us to give up our entire way of life by taking in so many people not used to our system such that it would overwhelm it and we would end up losing our freedoms. You can read the Bible in a way that requires us to give up our country and our way of life if you want to. I read it as compatible with freedom and limited government. Both of which would be gone if everyone who wanted to come here was able to come.

    We let in millions of people legally. We give aid to millions of people all over the world. The Bible is not a mandate for national suicide.

    So take your “hypocrite” comment and shove it.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    The only response I have is that Jesus commanded us to “Remember my death till I come.” Yet, today’s Christians barely remember or venerate the day of His death, but put most of their ‘spiritual’ efforts into Christmas … seems like big money is more important to today’s Christians than what our Lord commanded.

  • acommentator

    You think our asylum laws require us to allow hundreds of people to rush the border and force their way into the country? I am quite confident they will not be interpreted that way. Do you really think the border agents were legally required to get out of the way and let the mob rush in?

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Well, there it is folks. Another ‘christian’ attempting to justify the cruelty, vindictiveness and bigotry expressed by the TЯ卐mp administration and his vile TOADS toward those real-life people escaping violence in their countries due to the ‘drug-war’ foisted upon them by the United States.

    No one is suggesting that we “take in every person” … only those who are truly seeking and needing asylum.

    Furthermore, our “way of life” is the most selfish, greedy and oppressive way of life on the planet. The United States has about 5% of the Earth’s population, yet consumes about 75% of the Earth’s resources. That means we are STEALING those resources from everyone else around the globe. Definitely NOT in keeping with Christ’s commandments!

    • “For I was a stranger and you tear-gassed me.”
    • “I asked for asylum and you stole my children and put them in a cage.”
    • “I fled violence in my country due to YOUR drug war; and you called me ‘illegal’.”

    • Maybe the next time Evangelicals vote, they’ll read the Gospels first … instead of electing The BEAST! – Revelation 13

  • Guthrum

    I agree on that.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Why is this “anti-Christian”? Christmas is NOT Christ’s birthday, it’s a pagan, winter celebration, which the modern-day, corrupt church has twisted into some ungodly and pretentious ‘spiritual’ holiday. The only thing Christians and the church worship on Christmas is money!

  • David Cohen

    Well, you know what they say about opinions

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Yeah TOAD … TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp is way:

    • Better at Lying

    • Better at Racism

    • Better at Cruelty

    • Better at Bullying

    • Better at Inciting Violence

    • Better at Breaking Treaties

    • Better at Treachery

    • Better at Bribery

    • Better at Adultery

    • Better at Fraud

    • Better at Making Enemies where there are none

    • Better at Kissing the Ässes of world dictators

    • Better at Treason

    And you’re better at being a TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp-TOAD!

  • David Cohen

    Yes, its so sad when people bring up facts which don’t agree with what you want to believe. Why don’t you go watch FOX News? They never tell you anything you don’t want to hear.

  • David Cohen

    “You think our asylum laws require us to allow hundreds of people to rush
    the border and force their way into the country?”
    – Wow, you sure are a drama queen, aren’t you?

    “I am quite confident
    they will not be interpreted that way.”
    – Of course not. The current administration has benefited greatly from pandering to cowards like you. You clearly haven’t gotten any wiser or grown a backbone since 2016, so why should they stop now?

    “Do you really think the border
    agents were legally required to get out of the way and let the mob rush
    in?”
    – Again with the drama. What if we had sent customs agents instead of military troops? Ah, but that would not have satisfied either your demand for drama or your cowardice, would it?

  • Not really. Reading the comments on this blog does that.

  • David Cohen

    Yes, reading your comments on this blog tells us that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that when you are countered on that fact all you can do to defend your opinions is huff “you don’t understand!”

    There is noting unchristian about shedding your ignorance and your prejudices Bob. Maybe someday you will come to realize that.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    In seeking Jesus, you have to open the door to your own heart. Jesus won’t force His way into your heart. You must allow Him to enter and then obey his commandments: “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

    “Behold I stand at the door and knock, if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and sup with him.” – Revelation 3:20

  • acommentator

    What drama? I am describing the facts.

    And believe me, I am no coward. You, however, are remarkably self righteous.

  • acommentator

    Our way of life is freedom. And what resources are we stealing? we buy resources. Those that have them are happy to sell. Everyone’s standard of living rises. But I guess that is too complicated for your, eh? You think it is all a zero sum game.

    As for your quotes, again, you can read the Bible as requiring we give up everything if you want. I think we are entitled to preserve our selves and our way of life. We live in the real world, not some fantasy land.

    By the way: I am a “never Trumper.” I have despised the man for thirty years at least. I did not vote for him. But that does not mean he is wrong on everything.

  • David Cohen

    What drama you ask? Men, women and children came to our border fleeing unrest which our country had a hand in. They were searching for peace. You give panicked alerts about “rushing our borders” and “forcing their way into the country” and you ask what drama?

    Seeking asylum is not illegal, as I pointed out to you. And seeking asylum in a nation which helped destabilize theirs is justice. And quaking in your boots about men, women and children seeking a better life is cowardice, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

    And as far as your allegations of self rigorousness go, I can only cite the words written at the base of the Statue of Liberty (or, as you would probably describe it, the Statue of Self Righteousness)

    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she

    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

  • Guillermo Martinez

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/28/white-supremacy-degeneracy-far-right-populists

    The issue here is not immigration but racism and fear…. You’re supporting a political process and a demagogue (Trump) who is exploiting fear and racism to support an agenda which betrays the core values that most Americans share…

    A culture that can put a man on the moon can most certainly develop a rational, compassionate immigration policy that is good for all of us and for all the those who are suffering the horrendous economic, political and military consequences of policy decisions made here in the US and Europe…

    Immigration, in this political environment, is a classic wedge issue/dog whistle used by folks like Trump to cement their hold on power….

    If you support Trump, you’re complicit in the racist, fascist inflected nonsense he’s been spewing for a long time…

  • Your critique of me is incorrect. It is you that lacks understanding: the bible, politics and Christianity. All I do is point it out.
    Why would you continue reading my comments? Your replies are typical Liberal victimization.
    And last, tonight, prejudice is from the Left on every issue including Abortion, Open Borders and the Constitution.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Even if we ‘buy’ our resources, which is a lie, we oppress people and pay paltry prices for our stolen luxuries.
    That is still THEFT, as we’re NOT entitled to more than our share of the Earth’s resources.

    Glad to hear you claim to be a “never TЯ卐mper” … but yes, the Orange Oaf IS wrong on everything. Even if he manages to do something less evil than the rest of his words and actions, it’s only because he is getting something out of it for himself.

    • “For each tree is known by its own fruit. Indeed, people do not gather figs from thorn bushes, or grapes from brambles.
    The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.” – Luke 6:44-45

    If you can still defend or condone TЯ卐mp in any way, even after all the wickedness he has exhibited, then you have his stench and ‘mark’ … the Mark of the Beast!

    • “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

    For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

  • David Cohen

    “Your critique of me is incorrect.”
    – Sure Bob, sure

    “It is you that lacks understanding: the
    bible, politics and Christianity.”
    – And there it is, that response of ‘no, YOU don’t understand’ which ALWAYS follows when someone stands up to you. Notice how it is never followed up with a explanation of where the other person went wrong. You honestly seem to be arrogant enough to believe that saying ‘no, you’ is sufficient to win any argument.

    “All I do is point it out.”
    – You have repeatedly pointed out that yu are a GOP shill. There is no need to belabor that point.

    “Why would you continue reading my comments?”
    – Why would you continue posting them?

    “Your replies are typical Liberal victimization.”
    – Pointing out that shedding your ignorance is not unchristian is ‘liberal victimization?’ Yeah, sure Bob

    “And last, tonight, prejudice is from the Left on every issue including Abortion, Open Borders and the Constitution.”
    – Yes, liberals think differently about women’s right to reproductive choices than you do, get over it. No, no one is seriously advocating open borders. Drop the propaganda when you are talking with people outside your bubble. And as far as the Constitution goes, your deity is not mentioned anywhere in that document except in regards to an outdated term for establishing the year it was signed. If you were ever to accept that, your entire political position would fall apart
    .
    Which is probably why you don’t.

  • David Cohen

    And yet, your deity decided that the Democrats should regain the house.

    Or does that business about your deity choosing national leaders (Romans chapter 13) only apply when the people you like get elected?

  • David Cohen

    In the name of Jesus, Progressives would kill evangelicals and think they were doing God a favor.

    – Wow, could we get a little more volume on the drama?

  • David Cohen

    Look, we know you that as a conservative you are pants-wettingly scared of foreigners. Are you scared of your fellow citizens too?

    I guess that Jesus’ injunction of “be not afraid” was omitted from your Bible

  • David Cohen

    So Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. was not a progressive, despite standing up to the conservatives of his day?

    I have often pointed that being a Christian does not, necessarily, mean that one is anti-intellectual, but people like you make it REALLY hard

  • Guillermo Martinez
  • Dennis

    Trump is not racist. President Trump is delivering better economic news for black Americans, Hispanics and women than any other president in the past century. Under President Obama, from 2009 to 2015 the incomes of black Americans fell by more than $900 per family, adjusted for inflation. Under President Trump, black employment has grown by an average of nearly 40,000 each month. In January 2017, the black unemployment rate stood at 7.8 percent. It’s now at 6.6 percent. The number of black Americans with a job has risen by 708,000 from last year. Not only are black wages and incomes up since the election of Donald Trump – black employment has repeatedly hit historic highs. And it isn’t just black Americans who owe President Trump a vote of thanks. Employment among Hispanics and among women – even those with only a high school diploma – has hit the same kind of record-breaking highs. Trump won barely 8 percent of the black vote in 2016. Yet today the NAACP’s own polls show his approval rating among African-Americans standing almost three times as high, at 21 percent. Black conservative commentator Candace Owens cites a poll where approval of President Trump among black Americans soars to 39 percent. It’s not only poll numbers that reflect the trend. Some of the most notable figures in the black community – from Kanye West to Kim Kardashian to Dennis Rodman – have defied media criticism and come out as pro-Trump. At a White House faith meeting on prison reform hosted by President Trump, Pastor Darrell Scott called Trump the “most pro-black president I’ve seen in my lifetime.”

  • The scripture does talk about leaders not House majorities.

  • I am saying that you do not have the background to debate me on the bible. Everyone can have their own opinion on politics.
    I am a Conservative true; hardly a GOP shill. Check the dictionary.
    I note you have no answer for my comment about Liberal victimization.
    Women do not have rights to kill unborn babies ass they will find out one day; legal license is hardly Christian.
    Every democrat shill I see on FOX advocates letting everyone come across the border without exception.
    The entire Constitution is based on Judeo-Christian principles written by men who believed in God. What is your proffer of that statement? Enlighten us if you can.

  • Who said the National Review is a scientific journal? Did you mean Medical Journal? I said neother.

  • No one on the Right said anything about Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood regarding our government. Obama is neither a Muslim nor a Christian he is an opportunist only concerned with his own advancement and record.
    The Police are not gunning down Black men on the streets. That is Black victimization at its best.
    Rush is them most listened to Talk Radio host in the history of radio.

  • David Cohen

    “No one on the Right said anything about Obama and the Muslim
    Brotherhood regarding our government.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Brotherhood-Obama-Administration-ebook/dp/B009HIP79K

    “Obama is neither a Muslim nor a
    Christian he is an opportunist only concerned with his only advancement
    and record.”
    – Not a Christian? You apparently forgot about the flap linking him to Reverend Wright.
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/obama-and-the-rev-wright-controversy-what-really-happened/

    “The Police are not gunning down Black men on the streets. That is Black victimization at its best.”
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/spotlight/2018/09/14/police-brutality-damaging-black-communitys-mental-health/1218566002/

    “Rush is them most listened to Talk Radio host in the history of radio.”
    – No matter how many people listen to a stupid message, it is still a stupid message

  • David Cohen

    And yet, when some hack writing for the national Review says that being liberal is a mental health disorder, you parrot it as if it were scientific fact.

    So tell us, since the election of Trump prompted your lot to insist that leaders are chosen by your deity (citing Romans 13) why did your deity choose to hand over the house to the Democrats? Is your deity insane? Or is there the remotest possibility that you might be wrong?

    Knowing how arrogant you are, you will not acknowledge either. I expect you will just snort “you don’t understand” and repeat yourself, as if doing so actually proved your position.

  • David Cohen

    “I am saying that you do not have the background to debate me on the bible.”
    – Considering that you haven’t demonstrated yourself to be particularly knowledgeable about the Bible, I’ll take that statement as your opinion distorted by your characteristic arrogance.

    “Everyone can have their own opinion on politics.”
    – That much is true

    “I am a Conservative true; hardly a GOP shill.”
    – That would be a lot more believable is once, just once, your opinion failed to fall in line with what The Party ordered.

    “Check the dictionary.”
    – shill /SHil/ informal•North American
    noun: shill; plural noun: shills
    1. an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.

    That’s you Bob, to a proverbial T

    “I note you have no answer for my comment about Liberal victimization.
    Women do not have rights to kill unborn babies ass they will find out one day; legal license is hardly Christian.”
    – Your opinion has been noted. And yes, abortion is a right, see Roe vs. Wade

    “Every democrat shill I see on FOX advocates letting everyone come across the border without exception.”
    – You apparently do not understand the process of asylum seeking. Don’t blame the Democrats for your ignorance.

    “The entire Constitution is based on Judeo-Christian principles written by men who believed in God. What is your proffer of that statement?
    Enlighten us if you can.”
    – There is no mention of God, Jesus or the Bible anywhere in the Constitution. The Bible has no provisions for amendments, does not describe a system of checks and balances, and the Constitution’s provisions for dealing with aborigines is FAR more compassionate than that described in the Bible.
    Any connection between the Bible and the US Constitution is speculation at best and madness at worst. Rather than do what you usually do in these cases (i.e. snort ‘you’re wrong, you don’t know as much as me’) do something new and cite evidence to support your position.

  • David Cohen

    So…you have no idea what the House does then

  • Guillermo Martinez

    I’m curious where do you get your information and news from?

    I repeat:
    “The issue here is not immigration but racism and fear…. You’re supporting a political process and a demagogue (Trump) who is exploiting fear and racism to support an agenda which betrays the core values that most Americans share…”

  • Dennis

    I don’t remember. I just captured it as I heard it on the news.

  • Vucodlak

    First off: Why? Why would progressive Christians kill Evangelicals? What about this genocide you claim they want would be in line with progressiveness or Christianity?

    Second: Evidence. You and Nimblewill (and others in this thread) have made these outlandish claims about what progressive Christians would do without providing anything to support them. Where is your evidence?
    It’s not progressives I see going on killing sprees and mailing bombs to people. It’s not progressives gassing children or tearing families apart and putting them in concentration camps.

  • Guillermo Martinez

    What’s your favourite news source?

  • Dennis

    You just exposed your identity by your spelling of “favourite”. That is the spelling for British English, Australian English, New Zealand English and Canadian English. You are not even a U.S. citizen, are you? So why are you trying to tell us how to run our country?

  • Guillermo Martinez

    Interesting and most revealing… and disappointing….

    I was born 59 years ago in New York City. I’m a military veteran from a family of men who saw combat during the Korean War. Alot of the men in my family have served in our countries armed forces. I’m a college graduate, serving the ill and dying as a registered nurse…

    With all sincerity, I wish you well in all that you do… Take care.

  • andrewlohr

    Love just oozes from every line of your post.

  • Widuran

    Progressives have so much hate they would kill anyone who disagrees with them at the worst extreme

    This is why they support Islam

  • Widuran

    The Guardian is the uks leftwing fake news

  • Widuran

    Democrats have historically been the racist party supporting black slave trade

  • Widuran

    More lies by you

    I am a member of the Christian People’s alliance who have more black MPs per white then any other

    Also I am Asian

    Your soyboy lies won’t wash with me you bigot

  • Widuran

    The article is cowardly insults against Christians with no basis in fact ie it is horse do do which you eat and lap up

  • Widuran

    Do you have any evidence for any of those claims toad boy?

  • Widuran

    You have lied about worshipping money toad boy

  • Popularity in talk radio means Rush can communicate and his comments are sought after – unlike your empty rhetoric.
    Fortunately Jesus does not need your approval to make decisions.
    Notice that your response has nothing factual to offer and is gratuitous.

  • David Cohen

    And yet, the official newsletter of the KKK endorsed the Republican nominee for president in 2016,
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/01/the-kkks-official-newspaper-has-endorsed-donald-trump-for-president/?utm_term=.039b7c161da1

    The switch among racist Southern conservatives began right after LBJ signed the civil rights act. it was slow at first: Southern racists still held a grudge against the Republicans for destroying their phony-baloney Confederacy. Reagan helped turn the racist South Republican with a few key ideas, which are still in use today:

    – The Republicans became the promoters od States Rights. The idea of states rights was a key feature in deafening both slavery and Jim Crow
    – The Republicans names themselves the official party of the Christian God. Slavery and Jim Crow were defended with Bible verses (as a side note, the KKK has always billed itself as a Protestant Christian organization.)
    – The defenders of Jim Crow declared the civil rights movement to be part of a communist plot. The Republican Party, then and now, decries anyone who opposes to their platform as communist sympathizers.

    ( could go on, but I think I have proven my point. MLK was a progressive Christian, something you insist does not exist. His opponents were conservative Christians, i.e. your allies. To deny that is to deny history.

  • David Cohen

    You honestly seem to think that repeating your opinion magically makes it true.

    Sorry, it doesn’t work for FOX News (in spite of hat you imagine) and it won’t work for you.

  • David Cohen

    Being able to communicate ideas does not mean that the ideas being communicated are valid, useful or intelligent. That is factual, even if it is a fact that you would desperately gloss over. Even Jesus would admit it, but then you’ve never shown any interest in anything Jesus had to say.

  • David Cohen

    And the rest of us are supposed to simply accept your claims because…why? Because you claim to be a Christian? The unwavering support of Christians for a president who violates every one of their supposed values has pretty much proven that Evangelical Christians will happily ignore their supposed values in exchange for power. Why should we not assume that you are lying?

  • David. Grow up! Rush’s ideas are sought after by Presidents, politicians and leaders the world over. If you think your comment is factual without stating a few of Rush’s comments that you disagree with you do not understand debate. What advice have you given to anyone beyond the Liberals on this site that has been sought after?

    You in particular have not shown anything on the biblical side that I remember? Implying that Jesus would say something you state is not biblical but self-serving. Jesus is not interested in your politics or mine. His Words are in the bible. Let’s see your scriptural reference if you can find it. Hint: Look in the Bible.

  • David Cohen

    “Rush’s ideas are sought after by Presidents, politicians and leaders the world over.”
    – That does not make them…oh never mind. You’ll never get it.

    “If you think your comment is factual without stating a few of Rush’s
    comments that you disagree with you do not understand debate.”
    – Elsewhere on this page you quoted Rush in his efforts to portray non-conservatives as paranoid. I pointed out how dishonest and naive his efforts were. You fled that particular discussion in a desperate effort to find somewhere else to shoot your mouth off.

    “You in particular have not shown anything on the biblical side that I remember?”
    – I have pointed out repeatedly in our exchanges how far your opinions fall from those promoted by Jesus. I also pointed out that The US Constitution has nothing to do with the Bible, a fact which was apparently news to you.

    “Let’s see your scriptural reference if you can find it.”
    Luke 6:31 (KJV) And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
    Try and remember that one when your conservative heroes are applauding the tear gassing of children

  • Chari McCauley

    It is no virtue to coddle evil.

    Amen!

  • Chari McCauley

    Progressives have so much hate they would kill anyone who disagrees with them at the worst extreme

    This is why they support Islam

    What happened to your nobody cares about the plight of Islamic women?

  • Widuran

    The progressives do not care about women under Islam

  • Widuran

    What violation of Christian values? More lies by the illliberal elite

  • Widuran

    I state truth

    I don’t believe the lamestream leftwing media

  • Widuran

    Yes bad people support good candidates so what? Lol

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    There is a time for love and a time for fighting ignorance.

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    One does not need Jesus or any religion to be a good person, only sheep, morally bankrupt people, and feeble-minded idiots need religion, used as a crutch to prop up their lacking morals, and/or club for bludgeoning.

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    Thanks for proving my point by quoting one of the most mentally ill on the right. Nice job!

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    And I’ll ask once again, what is factually incorrect and misleading about my post? Afraid you don’t have the answer to my twice-asked question? Ready to deflect more? If you can’t play with the adults, then go away, child.

  • David Cohen

    Wow, you missed the point in a big way, two points in fact:

    – I pointed out that progressive Christians do exist. I did not expect you to to acknowledge this fact though. Nothing typifies the modern evangelical more than arrogance.

    – One of the core issues for the Republican Party was the elimination of slavery. The core issue of the KKK was the preservation of White superiority. One would think those two core values would be incompatible, but now the KKK and the GOP are allies.

    How did this happen? Has the KKK embraced racial equality? Obviously not. Therefore it must be the GOP who has changed in order to make this possible. And yet, no one in the GOP seems to be concerned, or even curious as to why they are now allied with a group whose central issue is White supremacy. That is the depths to which the GOP has sold out.

    So tell us, how does it feel to you to be allies with the KKK?

  • David Cohen

    Ah, I see the problem. You are so full of yourself that can on longer tell the difference between your opinion and truth. That happens to a lot of Christian fundamentalists.

    They also tend to lack creativity, and thus are reduced to spouting cliches they have been spoon fed like “lamestream leftwing media”

  • Widuran

    Oh dear all you have is insults and your own personal opinions

    It is a well known fact that the lamestream media are now controlled by the leftwing liberal elites who lie to spread their narrative

  • David Cohen

    Really? Marital fidelity is no longer considered a core Christian value? Adultery is forbidden in the 10 Commandments. Greed is no longer condemned by Christians? Jesus said that one cannot serve God and wealth. Pride is no longer condemned by Christians? Paul called it the primal sin in Galatians.

    And yet, evangelical Christians have no trouble supporting a candidate with a long history of cheating on wives, cheating business partners and bragging continuously about his alleged greatness. Christians make all kinds of excuses for him, all of which are absurd to the point of farce. “That was all in the past.” (and yet he shows no signs of remorse, or even willingness to admit he was wrong) “God can use all kinds of people to his purpose” (except Democrats apparently, your God has his limits) “We don’t know what is in his heart” (Given that he shows no signs of humility, we can make an educated guess.)

    The simple fact is the modern Evangelical Christianity recognizes only one “value” and that is expedience. Anything that helps them get worldly power is good in their eyes. Satan once offered Jesus ruler ship of the world, and he refused. Evangelical Christian, by contrast, have accepted the offer and delivered the kiss of shame to the infernal one with great delight.

    Its no wonder churches are emptying out these days.

  • Widuran

    Progressive Christians are a contradiction in terms most like the so called red Letter Christians are heretics

    The kkk and the republicans are hardly allies. This is a lie by the liberal left. The kkk support Trump. This does not mean they are alies.

    Terrorists support the democrats but that does not mean they are allies

  • David Cohen

    “Oh dear all you have is insults and your own personal opinions”
    – And, again, you show your inability to distinguish your opinion from fact.
    Okay, you don’t like the article. You called it “doo doo as I recall. Leaving aside your grotesque immaturity, how about providing some fact to explain your position? References would be nice, if you can find them.

    “It is a well known fact that the lamestream media are now controlled by
    the leftwing liberal elites who lie to spread their narrative”
    – Yes, that is the popular propaganda among conservatives. It keeps them from paying attention to information that makes them feel bad. Its a pretty self deceiving way to go through life, but that is just my opinion

  • David Cohen

    “Progressive Christians are a contradiction in terms most like the so called red Letter Christians are heretics”
    – Endlessly repeating your opinion as if it were fact will not make it so

    “The kkk and the republicans are hardly allies. This is a lie by the liberal
    left. The kkk support Trump. This does not mean they are alies.”
    – I provided you with a link. Would you like me to link you to a film of people carrying White Power signs in Charlottesville and chanting “hail Trump?” Would you like me to link the glowing response David Duke gave to Trump’s non-response to the Unite the Right rally? I don’t like giving such places traffic, but if doing your own research is really to hard for you, I will.

    “Terrorists support the democrats but that does not mean they are allies”
    – Apparently bearing false witness is no longer a sin among Christians. That is predicable. They are clearly willing to sell out any value in exchange for power.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    A Thousand Thumbs Up!

  • Widuran

    Red Letter Christians do not believe Jesus Christ’s description of marriage in Mark 10 and Matthew 19

    Islamic terror supporters and terrorists do support the terrorists as they are pro Islam this is a fact

  • Widuran

    It is not propoganda but truth which is why the lamestream media lie about the number of people attending “far right rallies “ etc

  • Widuran

    I see you fail to understand the gospel you seem to condemn people for past sins

    I assume you are perfect have had a perfect past and do no wrong? What is your secret Jesus Christ the second?

  • cvryder2000

    “Plight of Islamic women”??? Nice way to generalize, sistah. First of all, it’s MUSLIM women, not “Islamic”. Secondly, there is no monolithic “plight” of them. Many Muslim women are educated, treated as equals, run businesses, have equal opinions in their families, and in general are doing quite well in this country and others, thank you very much. It is only in certain countries and among certain sects of Islam (somewhat like certain varieties of evangelical Christianity) that women are treated like second-class citizens. Now run along and take your ignorant prejudices with you.

  • cvryder2000

    Rush wouldn’t know Jesus if He walked up to him and healed his hemorrhoids.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Denying that TЯ卐mp is the BEAST doesn’t change the fact that you clearly have the Mark of the Beast in your forehead and hand … and you put it there yourself!

    Worshiping the Beast will earn you the same reward as the Beast … the Lake of Fire!

  • Widuran

    Nope Trump is supported by Christians and is doing great things for Jesus. He is not perfect but much better than many unChristian politicians like Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oYarKyufco

    Sounds like you have the mark of the Beast on your forehead!

  • Vucodlak

    Progressives have so much hate they would kill anyone who disagrees with them at the worst extreme

    I assume you can provide many, many examples of progressives killing people, if that’s the case. Go ahead.

    This is why they support Islam

    I support freedom of religion. I support separation of church and state. I don’t support any particular religion, and I really don’t see what Islam has to do with anything in this thread.

  • David Cohen

    You fail to understand that Jesus said “Go and sin no more.” Your man has been spinning lies, breaking promises and engaging in corruption since you elected him, and simply screaming “fake news”” will not change that fact.

    “I assume you are perfect have had a perfect past and do no wrong?” Strange that evangelicals never extended this degree of largess to Democrats. But I guess all you need is a R after your name and all sins are instantly forgiven.

  • Widuran

    He has if reports are true become a Christian since the adultery affairs.

    With regards to lies I do not see any lies but promises not yet kept (time is needed) and exagerrations. There have been no evidenced lies at all.

    I do not speak for all Republicans. I am not even one! But I see your hypocrisy has been exposed.

  • David Cohen

    – What did Jesus say about divorce and re-marriage? Ah, but that doesn’t apply to candidates who can give power to Christian demagogues, does it? Jesus had a message for people like you: quit worrying about the mote in your neighbor eye and attend to the plank in your own

    – Recognizing freedom of religion for Muslims does not equate to supporting terrorism. Apparently slander is one of the many sins which are no longer a problem for Christians, as long as it aids them in gaining power.

  • David Cohen

    And, again, there’s that tendency to dismiss any facts which makes you feel uncomfortable as fake news. Its no wonder you neo-cons hate journalists so much. A movement as ugly as conservative Christianity will naturally hate anyone who holds a mirror up to it.

  • David Cohen
  • Widuran

    Politifact is definitely left wing fake reporting. I will look at the other two when time permits

  • Widuran

    Socialists like the marxists have killed as any historian will tell you.

    Islam is an evil ideology which should not be supported unless you support having sex with 9 year olds, killing or converting people to islam, Making non muslims pay jiziya tax and so on

    islamists hates Christmas too

  • David Cohen

    Why bother? They will just tell you things you don’t want to hear, and you will respond by shrieking “fake news.”

    I have come to see that you cannot be reasoned with. I posted the links in case someone who can be reasoned with thought you might be telling the truth.

  • Rush quoted From Jim Geraghty explaining why Liberals suffer from Mental derangement. Not non-conservatives as that is too broad. The description is apt. Your comment was personal opinion and without backup.
    You have never in any of your posts used the bible effectively or with knowledge. That is evident to anyone reading your commentary. As to the Constitution having nothing to do with the bible and other atheist slurs, here are what some of our founders said:
    America’s founders quoted heavily from the Bible, Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke—in that order.

    “In his The Spirit of Laws, Baron Montesquieu wrote: “We shall see that we owe to Christianity, in government, a certain political law, and in war a certain law of nations—benefits which human nature can never sufficiently acknowledge.”
    Sir William Blackstone, who has often been quoted by the Supreme Court, said that the laws of nature were written by God and were supplemented by the Holy Scriptures. He wrote: “This law of nature being…dictated by God Himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this.”
    John Locke penned: “The Bible is one of the greatest blessings bestowed by God on the children of men.” I used to have a Sunday school teacher, Dr. Greg Forster, who earned his Ph.D. at Yale studying Locke and became a Christian because of Locke’s classic book, The Reasonableness of Christianity.
    Although not all framers of the Declaration and Constitution were orthodox Christians, about 95 percent of the founding fathers were active members of Trinitarian Christian churches. To many of them, the Christian faith was central in their lives:
    In his “Circular to the States” (1783), George Washington said that America could never hope to be a happy nation unless we learned to imitate Jesus, “the divine author of our blessed religion.”
    In his Inaugural Address (1797), John Adams calls “a decent respect for Christianity among the best recommendations for the public service.”
    Thomas Jefferson said that Jesus is the reason we can have religious freedom. To force people to believe in religious views they don’t share are a departure from Him, “the holy author of our religion.” Jefferson wrote this in his Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1777, adopted 1786).
    James Madison, a key leader in the creation of the Constitution, wrote that our obligations to God come before those to the state: “Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe.”

  • Widuran

    I am telling the truth unlike you

  • Luke 6:31 is a good scripture governing our behavior. But, it does not apply to governments. Show us the verse that applies to governments if you can.
    And factually “tear gassing of children” was a ruse by the organizers to try and force the government to allow the caravan into the USA. It did not work.

  • David Cohen

    “Rush quoted From Jim Geraghty explaining why Liberals suffer from Mental derangement.”
    – Okay, I’ll try thins one more time, stop me if you get lost, just because someone says something, even if it makes you feel good, that doesn’t make it true.

    “You have never in any of your posts used the bible effectively or with knowledge.”
    – As you seem to interpret ‘effectively’ and ‘with knowledge’ as agreeing with your prejudices, that really doesn’t mean much.

    That’s a nice list of quotes you have cut and pasted. I’m even willing to bet that a few of them are genuine. However, it misses the point: there is NO mention of your deity or your Bible anywhere in the Constitution. Nor are there any Biblical quotes. The only references to religion at all are that there will be no religious test for public office (Article VI) and that congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion (Amendment 1) How can this be if the Founding Fathers were mirror images of modern day evangelical Christians?

    The answer is: they weren’t. They regarded religion as a personal thing, not a matter for public policy. They certainly didn’t want a Church of America, having just fought a war to get rid of the Church of England. The Founding Fathers kept their religious views out of the government, something modern day Christian fundamentalists find anathema.

  • David Cohen

    So…people are restricted but a government made up by the people can do anything it wishes? The more you talk about your religion, the more sinister and inhuman it sounds.

    And as far as your story about the tear gassing of the asylum seekers…naw, forget it. It is obvious that you have no interest in truth, only upholding the image of The Party.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    So why bother with religions?

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    exactly.

  • And pray tell how would you know Jesus? After resurrection even the Apostles did not recognize him at first.
    Slurring people who hold different views is counter productive to say the least.

  • David Cohen

    You, like so many other Trump-haters, fail to separate his personal life from his policies

    – The same way that conservatives separated Bill Clinton’s personal life from his policies? But I suppose that is different because…MAGA

  • Vucodlak

    Your first paragraph is so vague as to be completely meaningless. Who do you mean by “the Marxists?” Do you mean Maoists and Stalinists? Totalitarian dictatorships are pretty far from being progressive. Do you mean a bunch of tweed-clad philosophy professors sitting around a faculty lounge, chatting about economics? Not a very high body count on that lot.

    Also, just so we’re clear, communism =/= socialism. Totalitarianism =/= either socialism or communism. You can be a totalitarian communist, a totalitarian socialist, or a totalitarian capitalist, but totalitarianism is neither a requirement nor an inevitability in any of those systems.

    Authoritarianism, on the other hand, pretty much always leads to totalitarianism in the end, and that’s where vast numbers of people to to end up murdered. Rodrigo Duterte, Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orban, and Donald Trump are all current examples of hardcore authoritarians with strong totalitarian tendencies. None of these people are socialists, or at all progressive; they’re all far-right demagogues.

    So not only is your first paragraph a vague mess of right-wing snarl-words, it’s a non sequitur.

    Since we’re on the topic of false equivalencies: all Muslims are not “Islamists.” No more so than all Christians are child-abusing followers of Michael Pearl, or terrorists like those who bomb clinics, or child molesters like gods-know how many priests and youth pastors.

    And again, Islam has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Why do you keep bringing it up?

  • David Cohen

    So you want Trump supporters to stop supporting Trump because the KKK and the neo-Nazis supposedly do.

    – It would be intriguing if Republicans took a step back and wondered why they were now supported by the KKK. After all, one of the Republican Party’s founding principles was the opposition to slavery. One would expect that if the GOP had kept to their core values, the KKK would never, ever, throw their lot behind them.

    And yet, now we see members of the KKK applauding and promoting the Republican Party patform. If one were inclined to ask questions, one might “ask what happened?” Unfortunately, it seems that almost no Republicans are inclined to ask questions. Thus they march side by side with Klansmen and neo-Nazi’s, conscious only of the fact that they have help in their efforts to MAGA.

    MAGA forever, core principles when convenient, that is the modern Republican way.

  • David Cohen

    And, again, simply repeating “I am telling you the truth” does not mean you are actually speaking the truth.

  • Dennis

    You started “So you want Trump supporters to stop supporting Trump because the KKK and the neo-Nazis supposedly do.” No!! That was what Guillermo was advocating. I pointed out to him that he was advocating the guilt by association fallacy which is the attempt to discredit an idea based upon disfavored people or groups associated with it. So if a KKK member supports rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure (roads, etc), does that mean I have to oppose the rebuilding? Of course not. You have to look at a president’s policies based on the merits of the policies and not what group supports them. I’m sure that there are some anarchists and ISIS who support Democrats who would oppose Trump’s tough immigration policies, but I don’t try to link all Democrats to anarchists and ISIS. Neither should you or anyone else try to link Republicans or Trump-supporters to the KKK or the Nazi Party.

  • Dennis

    I can’t speak for all conservatives, but I separated Clinton’s personal life from his policies. I didn’t like his policies regardless of whether or not he had affairs.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    • “For each tree is known by its own fruit. Indeed, people do not gather figs from thorn bushes, or grapes from brambles.
    The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.” – Luke 6:44-45

    If you can still defend or condone TЯ卐mp in any way, even after all the wickedness he has exhibited, then you have his stench and ‘mark’ … the Mark of the Beast!

    • “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

    For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

  • David Cohen

    Actually, the “So you want Trump supporters..” line was a quote from your post Dennis.

    My point, which evidently went sailing over your privileged head, was to point out the startling lack of curiosity among Republicans as to why they are marching side by side with Klansmen and Neo-Nazis in support of Trump. You seem to have convinced yourself that the Klansmen and neo-Nazi’s just want improved infrastructure. Strange, but I do not recall improving infrastructure being a primary point of recruitment or concern for either Klansmen or Neo-Nazis (maybe you can ask them about it at your next MAGA rally.) I have viewed videos of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, and while I recall seeing many people carrying White supremacists banners and repeated cries of “Hail Trump,” I don’t recall one of them calling for improved roads and bridges. Indeed, given Trump’s tax cuts its hard to imagine how they could result in improved infrastructure or a stronger military without extensive borrowing, but I digress.

    The bottom line is this, if you truly find the KKK and the Neo-nazis to be repugnant, have you ever stopped to wonder why they are your allies? If so, then you wouldn’t be trying to divert the question to things like roads, bridges and other issues which would not bring out your allies in their hoods, robes and confederate flags. If not, then maybe you have subverted any you may have had in virtue in favor of power, and in doing so embraced the racists and terrorists as allies.

  • Dennis

    You really missed my points:
    1. “So you want Trump supporters..” line was a quote from your post – Yes, but the “you” was a reference to Guillermo.
    2. “Republicans…marching side by side” Some did but not Republicans as a group. Plus the non-KKK and non-Nazis who marched made the point that they didn’t want Civil War monuments torn down. You and others forget that.
    3. I said “if” KKK supports rebuilding. I was giving an example of how guilt by association is fallacious.
    4. Your “bottom line” is just repeating the fallacy of guilt by association. I can use it to turn the tables on you and say that you are in the company of anarchists & ISIS because liberal Democratic judges release illegal immigrant felons to avoid ICE and thus erodes security of America playing into the hands of ISIS and anarchists.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    President Obama is by far, much more of a Christian than TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp.

  • David Cohen

    Actually, I do get it. You’ve got some pet cause which resonates with the Republican Party. Maybe its outlawing “happy holidays” and mandating “merry Christmas.” Maybe its demanding that children in public schools not learn that slavery was a central issue of the Civil War and keeping them away from the quotes by the Confederate Fathers which insisted it was. Maybe its letting the violence against women act expire but keeping trans-women out of public restrooms because women need to be protected. The GOP has a lot of issues which are very important to it.

    My point is, that while you are promoting your pet political cause, you are joined by people for whom White Supremacy is their pet political cause. Maybe that is a non-issue your non-white, non-Christian, non-cis/het neighbors do not have that luxury. The smart ones cannot help but notice that increasing the voice of the KKK and Neo-Nazis is a bad thing. They also cannot help but notice that you are helping them., even if your think you are only promoting the oh-so-very important cause of stopping professional athletes from kneeling during the national anthem.

    And, no, your neighbors who are targeted by your allies will not be distracted by your efforts to connect the Democrats with those foreigners who stir up your cowardice. most of them know that immigrant and asylum seekers are far more likely to be the victims of crimes than the perpetrators. I realize that FOX News has you in a pants wetting panic over foreigners, but really, its not them you have to worry about. Its your allies.

  • Widuran

    Nope Obama acting more like a Muslim then a Christian but then you do not even know what a Christian is so everyone should ignore your comments on this subject

  • Widuran

    So you quote bible verses but cannot back them up with trumps behaviour

    You try and put Christianity in your politically correct box which has no resemblance to Christianity

  • Widuran

    And you saying you are telling the truth does not mean you are telling the truth

  • Widuran

    Both of those leftie groups kill people

    Progressives love totalitarian politics to silence those who have different views hence twitter and facebook censorship and other politically correct censorship by the illiberal left

    To say trump is far right proves how blind you are

    The progressives call anything not left wing far right. This is why the left are totalitarian. They cry like female dogs far right to silence the other person

    Shame on them

    Trump is trying to do what he promised. Good on him

  • Widuran

    Islam is a terror supporting religion and Obama supported Islam and the terrorism which went with it

  • Widuran

    So you supported Clinton when he was sticking his sausage into Monica Lewinskis mouth. A good use of your taxes. Of course you support his lies of “I did not have sexual relations with this woman!” LOL

  • Widuran

    Exactly I do not understand why progressives support illegal immigration

  • Widuran

    You are being the drama queen

    Why do you support illegal immigration?

  • Widuran

    You are indeed

  • Widuran

    Oh dear the old it is the wests fault that Mexico has crime. Shame on you for encouraging illegal immigration.

    I hope you open up your home for all these immigrants

  • Widuran

    I love my neighbour as myself so I will not love myself if I break the law and so we will not encourage law breakers

    https://www.gotquestions.org/illegal-immigration.html

    Question: “What does the Bible say about illegal immigration?”

    Answer: Note: We wholeheartedly believe that Christians are called to be compassionate and merciful toward immigrants (Exodus 22:21; Leviticus 19:33–34; Matthew 25:35). We also believe that the United States should have a more compassionate and merciful immigration policy. However, that is not the question at hand. The question at hand concerns illegal immigration—whether it is wrong to violate a nation’s borders and transgress its immigration laws.

    Romans 13:1–7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The only exception to this is when a law of the government forces us to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29). Illegal immigration is the breaking of a government’s law. There is nothing in Scripture that contradicts the idea of a sovereign nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is rebellion against God to unlawfully enter another country. Illegal immigration is a sin.

    Illegal immigration is definitely a controversial issue in the United States (and some other countries) today. Some argue that the immigration laws are unfair, unjust, and even discriminatory—thus giving individuals justification to immigrate illegally. However, Romans 13:1–7 does not give any permission to violate a law just because it is perceived as unjust. Again, the issue is not the fairness of a law. The only biblical reason to violate a government’s law is if that law violates God’s Word. When Paul wrote the book of Romans, he was under the authority of the Roman Empire, led by Emperor Nero. Under that reign, there were many laws that were unfair, unjust, and/or blatantly evil. Still, Paul instructed Christians to submit to the government.

    Are the immigration laws of the United States unfair or unjust? Some think so, but that is not the issue. All developed countries in the world have immigration laws, some more strict than the USA’s, and some less strict, and all have to deal with illegal immigration. There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1–7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment, deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine.

    Illegal immigration is a complex issue. The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the United States have come for the purpose of having a better life, providing for their families, and escaping poverty. These are good goals and motivations. However, it is not biblical to violate a law to achieve a “good.” Caring for the poor, orphans, and widows is something the Bible commands us to do (Galatians 2:10; James 1:27; 2:2–15). However, the biblical fact that we are to care for the unfortunate does not mean we should violate the law in doing so. Supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging illegal immigration is, therefore, a violation of God’s Word. Those seeking to emigrate to another country should always obey the immigration laws of that country. While this may cause delays and frustrations, it is better than acting illegally. A frustrating law is still a law.

    What is the biblical solution to illegal immigration? Simple—don’t do it; obey the laws. If disobedience is not a biblical option, what can be done in regards to an unjust immigration law? It is completely within the rights of citizens to seek to change immigration laws. If it is your conviction that an immigration law is unjust, do everything that is legally within your power to get the law changed: pray, petition, vote, peacefully protest, etc. As Christians, we should be the first to seek to change any law that is unjust. At the same time, we are also to demonstrate our submission to God by obeying the government He has placed in authority over us.

    “Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God” (1 Peter 2:13–16).

    ———————-

    Your argument has been destroyed. How many immigrants will you take in your home?

  • Widuran

    I wonder how many immigrants these virtue signalling hypocrites will take into their homes?

  • Widuran

    Nope your argument has been destroyed

  • Widuran

    I wonder how ethical your shopping really is. Do you fly? That would be interesting. I know many virtue signalling hypocrites and when it comes down it it they never practice what they preach

  • David Cohen
  • David Cohen

    So now you are reduced to making straw-man arguments. Refugees have been coming to this country, literally, since the beginning. It has never been necessary or expected for citizens to literally take them into their homes. Throwing that bit of scare-mongering out pretty much proves you have no valid defense for your cowardice on this issue.

  • David Cohen

    I recall all the Christian leaders who shook their fingers at him and admonished “character counts” and “he can’t even keep his marriage strong, how can he keep the nation strong?” With the election of Trump, those exact same Christian leaders are saying that he deserves a “mulligan” and “we elected a commander in chief, not a theologian in chief.”

    The leaders of Evangelical Christianity have been in full hypocrite mode ever since Trump won the Republican nomination. Its just one more reason why no one should listen to them, and fewer people actually are. They like to say that Trump’s election was a “victory for Christ.” The fact that more and more people are abandoning Christianity puts the lie to that statement.

  • Widuran

    Yet again you resort to personal attacks to try and win the debate.

    And of course you preach one thing but do the opposite. You want the government to do everything. I wonder if you would let hundreds of “refugees” live next to you who have come illegally with no vetting at all.

  • David Cohen

    The KKK is a terror supporting religion and Trump supported the KKK and the terrorism which went with it

  • Widuran

    Yes they are all asylum seekers and should be let in. Good one. Even if they break in they would claim asylum and you would say this is fine let them in (as long as they do not live near me!). LOL

  • David Cohen

    I have provided links to back up most of my assertions. What have your provided? Cliches that have been fed to you by the right wing which you have mindlessly repeated?

  • Widuran

    I support this man is a racist bigot for only wanting legal immigrants into the USA?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SEZ8CHjaUY&t=88s

  • David Cohen

    And there’s that drama which you right-wing parrots love so much.

    You really should have read the link I provided you, and maybe done some research on your own. Seeking asylum is not as easy as you seem to imagine.

    Look, I get that foreigners scare you, I really do, but that is no excuse for remaining ignorant

  • David Cohen

    Wow, you found a case on which to base your cowardice (slow clap)

    Statistically speaking you are far more likely to be killed by a fellow citizen who has bought a gun and gone on a spree shooting than by a refugee.

  • David Cohen

    And, again, if you say that seeking asylum involved “no vetting at all” you are only broadcasting your ignorance on the subject.

    And as a side not, I have lived near refugees. I have marched with them in political rallies. My children have played with their children. That is why I am not afraid of them. Evidently, Jesus’ call to not be afraid is one of the many verses in the Bible your denomination has out out for the sake of expediency and feeding your intense cowardice.

  • Widuran

    It is clear there have been many instances where it is apparent no vetting has taken place. This is a simple fact.

    So you support the mexican who killed the black man as an illegal. Shame on you!

  • Widuran

    You are the coward for supporting murderers. Shame on you!

    The fact you bleat on about stats shows how ignorant you are of risks

  • Widuran

    It is very easy under the liberals. Much harder under Trump which is why the progressives are getting their panties in a twist.

  • Widuran

    You have provided politico fact which is a proven left wing source.

  • David Cohen

    Yes, its so much easier to simply dismiss a source because you have been told it is left wing than to actually read it and take the chance that you were wrong, isn’t it?

  • Widuran

    Obamas government funded terror groups

    In May 2015, the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control licensed World Vision International, a Christian NGO, to pay the $125,000 it owed to the Islamic Relief Agency. The same Treasury office had, a few months earlier, confirmed that the Islamic Relief Agency was on a Treasury list of suspected terrorist funders.

    In July 2018, an investigation by the conservative Middle East Forum think tank hit the headlines, after it appeared to reveal that an office within the U.S. Treasury Department had in 2015 signed off on the transfer of $125,000 to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based group listed as a funder of terrorism by the Treasury itself.

    The Middle East Forum has discovered that the Obama administration approved a grant of $200,000 of taxpayer money to an al-Qaeda affiliate in Sudan — a decade after the U.S. Treasury designated it as a terrorist-financing organization. More stunningly, government officials specifically authorized the release of at least $115,000 of this grant even after learning that it was a designated terror organization.

    The Obama administration approved a $200,000 grant to a group in Sudan with ties to Al Qaeda even though it had been designated a terrorist-financing organization by the U.S. years earlier, a conservative think tank revealed. Further, an agency official acknowledged the prior administration allowed taxpayer money to flow to the group even after its designation was discovered.

  • David Cohen

    The results of the mid terms should tell you what American thinks of your orange messiah

    Or have you dismissed those facts because of the “lamestream liberal press” too?

  • Widuran

    Yes and this was a current sin not a past sin. This is where your hypocrisy is exposed.

    He not only had sexual relations but he lied about it.

    The liberals have been on full hypocrite mode as they hate true Christianity.

  • Widuran
  • David Cohen

    And that has what to do with people who show up at the border, seeking asylum and expecting to be vetted through the well established legal processes we have in place?

    The answer is, absolutely nothing.

  • David Cohen

    Another straw-man argument. Acknowledging that one is more likely to be killed by one’s fellow citizens than a refugee is not “supporting murderers.”

    And the fact that you dismiss statistics which do not support your prejudices shows your inherent irrationality.

  • David Cohen

    Source please

  • David Cohen

    Whereas Trump’s ongoing lies get an ongoing pass from those same Christian leaders. I have already provided you with lists of T’s lies. Dismissing them simply because they make you feel bad does not make them go away.

  • David Cohen

    So what?

  • Widuran

    Yes so what? LOL

  • Widuran

    I have not seen any real evidence of lies.

  • Widuran

    Your favourite website snopes LOL

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-isra-terrorism-funding/

    Shame World vision were involved naive idiots

  • Widuran

    No it shows you are happy to risk black mans sons being killed by murders welcomed into the country due to “stats”

  • Widuran

    Everything I see you deny facts

  • Widuran

    He is not my messiah I just do not have an irrational hatred for him like you do (more of your name calling with orange!)

  • David Cohen

    People are still leaving your religion in droves. They are disgusted by your hypocrisy and unbridled prejudice. But, hey, T’s shills make a great display of praying for him, so its all good, right?

  • David Cohen

    You mean the leftwing press you claim not to trust? Oh, but apparently you do, when it suits you.

  • David Cohen

    So you never read the links I provided

  • Widuran

    The article is a lie. Evangelicals will make room for immigrants just legal ones!

  • Widuran

    I have.

    so?

    This article is so full of lies. It even says evangelicals are against immigrants which is a lie. Evangelicals are against illegal immigrants. As Trumpo says. They are ILLEGAL

  • Widuran

    Hence I said your favourite site. I double check all sources especially as the leftwing lie so much

  • Widuran

    I bet you are creaming your panties at that.

  • David Cohen

    Just the facts

  • David Cohen

    And as I have pointed out repeatedly, seeking asylum is not against the law.

    But then you have made it clear that you immediately reject any facts which do not fit your prejudices.

  • Chari McCauley

    Oh, sorry should have put the /s/ at the beginning. Oh, see Widuran’s reply.

    You missed the whole first part of this conversation, cvryder.
    What’s with people being fine with one side of a story, isn’t that how Christ got crucifyied to begin with? People said that He worked for Satan.

    Oh, and personally I still see those folks as half brothers, by Ishmael, to Isaac; Abraham is father to both tribes; AND is still loved by The Father.
    I don’t really see people as separated by religion, in The Father’s eyes; so, I don’t separate them.

    My question meant he cannot seem to make up his mind, or whether we should support Islam or worry about their women or what should we do if we do/don’t support them, Widuran?

  • Widuran

    I have not rejected any facts

  • Widuran

    LOL

  • Chari McCauley

    Is that what it said?

  • Chari McCauley

    God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully”

    Wow, sounds like the sons, jealous of Job, in Job’s story….
    The ones who were allowed to approach The Father’s throne long enough to challenge Him.
    Had Job been taught Who The Father really is; he would have recognized the thieves, who “proved their point” by causing all the damage.
    While The Father kept Job’s soul; and allowed the world to see why his jealous sons were quarentined out of Heaven, in the first place.

    You cannot build immortality out of jealousy.

    At the beginning, when enough of us thought we’d rather go the way of hubris; Father handed this planet to His jealous son (Lucifer) to prove their point. Lucifer has legions (at least 1/3rd of his brothers and sisters went with him) of disposable helpers, because in the end,…it’s all about him. He still takes ALL the credit FOR EVERYTHING.

    Until Father’s first Son born to Him came to reclaim it.

  • Chari McCauley

    The Father has the right not to coddle evil, too.
    He’s your Father, not your fairy godfather!
    Living the consequences of our own decisions is HARDLY evil on Father’s part.

  • Chari McCauley

    So, which is it? Is Islam too evil to help or not? Or, do you only single out the women?

  • Chari McCauley

    Oh, I see you tried to back out of that one.
    But, you can pnly pull that stuff, here; you won’t be able to “double-speak” The Father or His Son.

  • cvryder2000

    I don’t deal with Widuran. After he got thoroughly nasty with me, I blocked him. So yeah, I missed that. But in any case, could you use Muslim instead of Islamic, even in snark? Thanks,

  • Widuran

    No I speak truth. As proven you condemn people for past sins but cry when people are attacked for current sins. Were you one of the ones crying when Bill clinton was found doing naughty naughty with Monica and saying “I did not have sexual relations with this woman” lying on current sins.

    Trump has a sordid past but as far as all reports are concerned they is no current sins for him to be attacked on appart from not being politically correct which is a crime to the snow flakes

  • Widuran

    Islam is too evil and the women need to be saved from Islam. Progressives love Islam though.

  • cvryder2000

    I see Jesus in the faces of those I care for….the poor, the medically underserved, the hungry, the immigrants. That’s how I know him, just as He said I would. And your problem is?

  • Your answer is different than your statement. You said Rush would not know Jesus; now you say Jesus is reflected in the faces of the poor…
    Here is something else Jesus said in Matthew 7:7:
    7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

  • Chari McCauley

    Because, “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” – Tears for Fears (1985).

  • Chari McCauley

    But, there is still Mother Nature, and She’s doing some house cleaning as we write.

  • cvryder2000

    You’re deflecting. Go away.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    “Don’t speak to me about your religion;
    First show it to me in how you treat other people.”

    “Don’t tell me how much you love your God;
    Show me, in how much you love all God’s children.”

    “Don’t preach to me your passion for your faith;
    Teach me through your compassion for your neighbors.”

    “In the end, I’m not as interested in what you have to tell or sell;
    As I am in how you choose to live and give.”

    – Cory Booker

  • Ocelot Aardvark
  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Here’s what Jesus will do on Judgment Day to TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp and all his groveling TOADS:

    https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fxmlm8Cm.jpg&key=2OnPIguS4jbmN0g2AErHKA&w=600&h=590

  • Widuran

    You do not understand the situation not Jesus

  • Widuran

    I see so this guy is worse than Muhammad and Hitler

    Your irrational hatred for trump makes you look foolish

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36f2023bb368af450c07bf857d8a6f8b487906e575d829ce17860570d08dea11.jpg

    Personally, I name TЯ卐mp the BEAST (Revelation 13) rather than the anti-Christ as the Orange-TЯ☭itor is too deranged and grovels too much to be the anti-Christ. But the message is still the same.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    One more thing my Lord Jesus taught me to understand is:

    Matthew 7:6 (KJV)

    “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”

    So adìos, oinking-swine.

  • Widuran

    You keep using verses out of context due to your irrational hatred which Jesus says is murder so you are a murderer LOL

  • acommentator

    I described the facts. They did rush the border. That is why tear gas was used. You know this.

    I am not quaking in my boots about people seeking a better life. For one thing, I am not one of our own poor people, who have to compete with large numbers of people who have to right to be here for decent jobs. (If you don’t believe that the presence of large numbers of unskilled immigrants depresses wages for our own unskilled workers, you have a different understanding of the laws of supply and demand than I).

    For another, I am fine with legal immigration. But we get to control who comes and how many. I am a melting pot guy. I don’t give a damn where somebody is from and I don’t care what religion they are. But I want them to accept our civic culture. I want them to “melt” in just like the immigrants before them did.

  • acommentator

    “If you can still defend or condone TЯ卐mp in any way, even after all the wickedness he has exhibited, then you have his stench and ‘mark’ … the Mark of the Beast!”

    Utter nonsense. Trump is totally unsuited to be President of the U.S., but he is no emissary of the Devil. You are delusional.

    And the proper course of action is to support right policy, from wherever it comes.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Thanks Jennifer, but the fact of the matter is for poor, elderly, handicapped and/or disabled Christians, that is quite impossible.

    Though I do wonder if you, yourself, have done for the asylum seekers, what you have suggested others do.

    For me, I am unable to travel to the border and hand out food and clothing. But I do manage to give my pittance to a worthy charity that does.

    On the other issue in your comment, well yes, maybe the governments of Colombia and Ecuador are ‘racist’ and/or just as selfish as ours.

    Jesus doesn’t look at the color of someone’s complexion when He separates the sheep from the goats:

    Every person, whether or not they’re able to give material goods to asylum seekers, is judged by their own attitude toward those less fortunate than themselves.

    As for the United States of America, the richest country on Earth, a country that THROWS AWAY thousands of tons of food, in supermarket dumpsters, on a daily basis – we have a hideous monster in the Oval Office, who has no regard for the lives of other human beings … and yes, that monster has displayed on several occasions, how much of a racist he is and how much he hates people (especially poor people and refugees escaping violence) and by doing so, has exhibited how much he hates God.

    When Christ judges the nations, how will the United States stand? We have allowed a vicious, treacherous, bully to lead us down Satan’s path, the path that the Levite and Pharisee walked in the parable of the Good Samaritan … the path that leads to Hell!

    Matthew 25:37-46

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

    38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

    39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

    42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

    43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after
    me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

  • Chari McCauley

    But in any case, could you use Muslim instead of Islamic, even in snark?

    No, because they are Ishmael’s tribe. I will not abandon him the same way Father did NOT. Ishmael and Isaac are brothers, in Father’s eyes; and, He promised Ishmael’s mother that He would take care of them. I trust Father before ANYONE else, EVER. Sorry, I will never go against The Father’s wisdom, He’s my Dad. And, Father’s only Son is my Brother.

    Ishmael and Isaac ARE brothers in Father’s home.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    No TOAD … once again you have blatantly shown your depraved disregard for other human beings. Yes, we are required to obey governmental laws … as long as they do NOT go against God’s laws.

    God COMMANDS us to care for our brothers and sisters. Jesus NEVER gave conditional situations, but you have. You’re a vile hypocrite of the first order!

    TOADS like you continually pretend that you can treat others, especially those in need, with hate, disrespect, and even violence. But Christ is clear about the manner in which you treat others, especially less fortunate, is the same way you’d treat Him.

    All I see from you vile hypocrites is hate, fear, deceit and cruelty. And that goes for your Orange-Goon-Idol too!

    “For I was a stranger and you tear-gassed me.”
    “I asked for asylum and you stole my children and put them in a cage.”
    “I fled violence in my country due to YOUR drug war; and you called me ‘illegal’.”

    https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpics.me.me%2Fwith-christians-like-these-the-devil-can-retire-28519023.png&key=EdrIcSIBEntcgKuCMxLr8Q&w=600&h=496

  • Chari McCauley

    I will be waiting for you to tell Father your ideas. You cannot gaslight Father.

    The Father owns at least one heart,…in every tribe….someone there knows what He wants, and they know this system on Earth of off.

    Father’s people do not always need to take center stage to be noticed; BUT, Father notices them. And, Father is NOT all by Himself, His Son is also well aware, like His Father taught Him to be.

    YOU cannot diss my Father, He’s smarter than you, me, all of us young ones.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    And you’re willing to gamble your eternal soul that TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp isn’t the BEAST? Revelation 13 paints an accurate picture of the character and personification of the Beast … it’s a perfect portrait of TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp.

  • Widuran

    I am not sure what father you are referring to

  • Widuran

    More rubbish

    I see you are for open borders welcoming everyone with no checks or vetting so some who are gangsters and rapists and murderers can do what they want

    Once again you are a virtue signalling hypocrite who would not have any of them live near you but you expect the government to do all the work.

    Above I have given you bible verses supporting protecting borders and only allowing legal immigrants yet you ignore this and misquote the script argue your open border policies which is destroying Europe right now

    Shame on you for ignoring people like the black man whose son was murdered by an illegal immigrant and you virtue signalling hypocrites attack him

    Shame on you!

  • jekylldoc

    Or baseball. Whatever.

  • jekylldoc

    The setup is disorienting, but the Book of Job is actually quite deep. It takes on the ideology of “this happened to you because you deserve it” and responds with an affirmation of meaning that differs very little from the modern humanist version. “It doesn’t matter how much life sucks, I can still have faith in doing things the right way.” Most of the book is poetical/philosophical expression of the misguided theology that Job refutes with his life and his (absurd?) faith.

  • Chari McCauley

    There’s only one Oldest Living Male Soul; He is still our Father. He is as individual as He made sure we remain; There IS only one Oldest Living Father, Who achieved immortal health.

    And, He is NOT all by Himself. He has a whole family, who have achieved immortal health.

  • Widuran

    Who are you talking about? What is his name?

  • Widuran

    You keep banging on about this Father. Who who is he if not the God of the old and new testaments?

  • Widuran

    You keep lying

    I have said Islam oppressed women and all women and men should be freed from the vile death cult of Islam

  • Ivan T. Errible

    Well, ok, then……

  • acommentator

    I see that you are trolling.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    You’re repeating yourself. That’s a sign of mental derangement. But of course, all of TЯ卐mp’s TOADS are mentally deranged.

    2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NIV)

    9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

    10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

    11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

    12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    No TOAD … it’s about CHARACTER.

    “A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.” – Luke 6:45

    “He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.” – Luke 16:10

  • Dennis

    I have to repeat myself for Trump haters like you because you still don’t get my point.
    What point are you making with 2 Thess. 2:11? That God is really responsible for my support of Trump because God sent me a powerful delusion? It that is the case, then blame God, not me, for my support of Trump.

  • Dennis

    No Aardvark, Luke wasn’t talking about the policies of POTUS.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Actually, TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp-TOAD … Jesus clearly warned us about you vile, hypocritical, ‘religious’ phonies, when speaking to us concerning the Pharisees of His day, Christ said:

    “… they will put you out of their places of worship; and many will kill you, and think they’re doing a service to God.” – John 16:2

    So it’s clearly today’s Pharisees (you and your ilk) who will do the killing, not Progressives.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Just an excuse for a TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp-TOAD like you to pretend you’re not deluded, when God and the Scriptures clearly state that you are.

    Not only that, but groveling-TЯ卐mp-TOADS already have the Mark of the Beast and now you’re attempting to drag as many down into the Lake of Fire with you …

    … but God, through His Son and Apostles, has forewarned us to NOT worship the BEAST -> TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp.

    You have committed the Unforgivable Sin:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b37fa31f8a40dd107ff99ff6a606c8863097959e99e552feb2d7b1ea82451e2.jpg?w=600&h=532

  • Dennis

    You have a warped view of biblical hermeneutics. I suggest you read some books on that topic, like https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Biblical-Interpretation-Revised-Updated/dp/0785252258

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Don’t need no other ‘books’ TOAD … I have God’s Word and He tells me that you wear the Mark of the Beast!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    You are responsible TOAD. Verse 10 clearly says:

    “They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.”

    You chose allegiance to the Beast instead of Christ. You chose to believe the Beast instead of Christ.
    You chose to obey the Beast instead of Christ. You chose to worship the Beast instead of Christ!

    You are responsible for putting the Mark of the Beast in your own hand and forehead.

    You have chosen to receive that delusion. Yes, God sent it, as the Scriptures say, but YOU gladly received the lie.

    And YOU are responsible for casting your own soul into the Lake of Fire, along with your Orange-Idol.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    The above verses from Luke are talking about EVERY human being, including your fascist-Orange-Oaf-Idol!

    God looks at the HEART, not some phony ‘policies’ that dribble out of TЯ☭itor-TЯ卐mp’s lying mouth today; but tomorrow be the opposite.

    What remains constant is what’s in TЯ卐mp’s evil heart … out of his own mouth reveal the ‘treasure’ of his heart.

    To claim otherwise means you’re calling God a liar … and which also means that you’re beyond redemption.

  • cvryder2000

    What the HELL religion do you follow??

  • Chari McCauley

    The ten instructions written in stone, before we got our hands on them; adding four books of excuses about why ten rules were so hard to follow.

    And also, the instructions of Father’s Son which repeated the first, which is…if you have any questions ask THE FATHER, not your best friend, not somebody with a piece of paper on their wall, cos Father knows more than ALL of those “experts”…The Father, His Father.

    Father’s Son added empathy. Put yourself into the skin…shoes don’t work, some people have no shoes…of people betrayed by NOT heeding the warnings within the all inclusive ten original instructions.
    Both fathers and mothers were the only things specified, because this planet is half male, half female. Romans 1:20 says what is here will teach us, both what is healthy and what is unhealthy.

    The pain of being betrayed IS written in our hearts; when we are lied to; stolen from; some people experience having their whole family broken, because someone came in and just took it all.

  • Chari McCauley

    The Oldest Living Male Soul, Who achieved immortal health.

  • Chari McCauley

    Just progressives?
    And by meanest do you mean tired of watching people get crapped on by those who see themselves as superior to all others?

  • Widuran

    Whom you cannot name

  • Chari McCauley

    You do you.
    I will love those that The Father loves.

  • Widuran

    Yes which is why you will speak out against the evils of Islam to save those people from the death cult of Islam.

  • Steve Gilbert

    The author is so wrong on nearly everything.
    She says evangelicals don’t care about the poor, yet who do you think is supporting with millions of dollars the Salvation Army and hundreds of other outreaches to the poor here in America and around the world.
    She has to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see that.

    She attacks evangelicals for not wanting wide open borders and not letting millions of immigrants into America.
    When we let those millions of immigrants into America it drives the wages of the working poor down.
    Many poor Americans lose their jobs because the immigrants will work for much lower wages.

    Does the author have no love for her fellow Americans that after losing their jobs to immigrants then lose their homes, can’t pay rent, can’t buy clothes for their children, etc.?
    No, she only cares for the immigrants, screw those poor Americans.

    She bashes the NRA, yet at minimum half a million times a year citizens with guns stop crimes. Would she prefer to see those crimes get committed and have all of those murders, rapes and robbery take place?

    Every single point she makes can easily be refuted.

  • Statistics Palin

    And KKK meetings, cross burnings, and lynchings were and are traditional Evangelicalism.

  • Statistics Palin

    That’s called “projection” in psychology.

  • Statistics Palin

    Trump has enabled Evangelicals to do more evil than any president since Reagan.

    There. Fixed it for you.

  • Statistics Palin

    So your psychologist is a lecherous drug addict who is utterly estranged from truth?

  • Widuran

    What evil have evangelicals done? Hint: Nothing

  • Widuran

    KKK has nothing to do with Christianity as the other things. These are people using Christianity as an excuse. There is nothing in the Bible instructing Christians to be racist, burn witches or lynch mobs. If there is please do show me.

  • PaulB

    Oh, come on guys, I think it’s cute.

    Come down off the cross, now, SWPL’s. The children want to make a go-kart from the wood.

    Yes, yes, let’s cancel the symbol of hope for BILLIONS across two millenia because some fat-assed unlovable upper class WASP has the guilts.

    My ancestors were slaves, just 7 generations ago. I have white skin. We were not Americans at the time. We are now.

    Spare me your guilt, Mayflower Material. Go do something with arms open and mouth closed for once.

  • Utterly estranged from the truth is very strong. I only know of one person who fits that Bill and it’s Hillary.

    But let me assure you that a form of mental illness best describes Liberalism and the author of those comments, Jim Garrity, formed that assessment.

  • Jack Anderson

    This writer of this post is maybe a tool of satan? Not such thing as the Christian left or progressive Christian; both are an oxymoron! Some many blatant lies in this article that it is just totally disgusting! The evangelicals sanction waterboarding; how totally absurd! And here I thought that this was a Christian group; oh my how the truth comes out. People stay away from this blog it will lead you down the wrong path!