Watch Planned Parenthood Arranging to Sell Fetal Livers, Brains, and Hearts Over Lunch

Watch Planned Parenthood Arranging to Sell Fetal Livers, Brains, and Hearts Over Lunch July 14, 2015

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It helps to know which organs you are hoping to retrieve, Nucatola explains:

So then you’re just kind of cognizant of where you put your graspers, you try to intentionally go above and below the thorax, so that, you know, we’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m going to basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact. And with the calvarium [head], in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it’s not vertex, because when it’s vertex presentation, you never have enough dilation at the beginning of the case, unless you have real, huge amount of dilation to deliver an intact calvarium.

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  • Korou
    • Re Ja

      Of course you would link to that atheist blog to support it. I don’t care how edited it is, there is no disputing the facts of what you saw and heard or the moral depravity of that medical Moloch discussing dismembering and selling babies while she stuffs salad and wine into her maw. She also admits to pre-selecting women and determining the ‘care’ she will provide to them based on what parts she needs to harvest that day. If you support PP on this then you are a ghoul.

      • Korou

        Try addressing the arguments instead of being biased against the people saying them.
        Not really much more to say. This video isn’t worth debating; it’s deceptive propaganda, nothing more.

        • mitchd

          The procedure is specifically tailored to obtain organs intact which is akin to harvesting organs as the direct goal. And do you honestly believe the providers would go through such extra trouble and effort if there were not money being exchanged? Do you honestly believe PP who is in the business of counseling women don’t have this in mind when counseling a woman to have an abortion and oh yes you can also donate the baby parts for the good of science? Please. Money is behind EVERYTHING.

          • Korou

            “The procedure is specifically tailored to obtain organs intact which is akin to harvesting organs as the direct goal.”
            No, it’s not.

            “And do you honestly believe the providers would go through such extra trouble and effort if there were not money being exchanged?”
            Yes. Abortions are a medical issue and harvested organs are a not-particularly lucrative side benefit for the sake of medical science.

            “Do you honestly believe PP who is in the business of counseling women don’t have this in mind when counseling a woman to have an abortion and oh yes you can also donate the baby parts for the good of science?
            Please. Money is behind EVERYTHING.”
            Take a guess at the percentage of Planned Parenthood’s funding concerned with abortion.
            Answer: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/
            If money were “behind everything” that Planned Parenthood does then they’d be the abortion supercentre that you seem to think they are. 3%? Hoho.

            It may be fun to believe that Planned Parenthood is an evil empire and that you’re the brave rebel heroes fighting it. But in reality Planned Parenthood is a medical health clinic. It may be less exciting, but that’s the real world for you.

          • Sue Korlan

            They count each time a woman comes in for her monthly pills as one visit, and then claim that abortion is only 3% of their business. But if you look at their money, you will find they are an abortion organization that does other things as well.

          • Korou

            I’d be interested to see where you got your facts from. But even if that is true, so what? Abortion is a medical act that benefits women and their families. From that point of view – the pro-choice point of view – there’s nothing wrong with Planned Parenthood doing as many abortions as people want to have.
            Yes, I know you think it’s murder. But I don’t, so hearing that Planned Parenthood do a lot of abortions does not particularly worry me. If it’s true, that is.

          • Sue Korlan

            I got them from Life Decisions International, which gets Planned Parenthood’s annual report and analyzes it.

          • Korou

            Sounds like a thoroughly unbiased source.

          • antigon

            ‘hearing that Planned Parenthood do a lot of abortions does not particularly worry me.’
            *
            Especially considering all the black & what you doubtless consider other untermenschen they slaughter, may actually be cause for exaltation from such as you Doc.

          • mitchd

            “I had 8 cases yesterday. And I knew exactly what we needed, and I kinda looked at the list and said okay, this 17-weeker has 8 lams, and this one—so I knew which were the cases that were probably more likely to yield what we needed, and I made my decisions according to that too, so it’s worth having a huddle at the beginning of the day, and that’s what I do.”

            Sounds like tailoring the procedure to me but hey keep on believing whatever you want. The reason they go through the trouble is because they get reimbursed. Nothing is done for free. They can sanitize it and call it something else, like getting reimbursed for expenses but money is changing hands and they work hard to get a “yield” from their harvest.

          • Re Ja

            And this is what I think in the end will be their undoing, the medical malpractice aspect of putting any consideration ahead of the patient’s needs. The medical care they provide on the abortion side is already substandard enough in comparison to any other surgi-center and this is the icing on the cake.

          • antigon

            ‘this is what…in the end will be their undoing.’
            *
            Unless Cassandra’s right that instead ‘this will cause an explosion in later-term abortions, as psychopathic, demonically oppressed American women…will now be looking to cash in on their abortions, & that ‘nothing is going to happen to anyone involved in the extant parts trade even though these are felonies.’
            *
            She adds: ‘As you sit there reading this right now, there are females from sea to shining sea screwing to get pregnant with the plan of carrying the baby to six or seven months, and then presenting themselves at Planned Parenthood – looking for a cut of the action on the body parts for a five-figure payday. Because now they know.’

          • Korou

            It’s perfectly legal to get reimbursed for transporting tissues. They need to be treated with care and there are certain expenses involved. There’s no gotcha here; Planned Parenthood are doing just what they should be doing, and I don’t have any reaction to this video except to shrug and say “So what?”

          • antigon

            ‘I don’t have any reaction to this video except to shrug and say “So what?”‘
            *
            Save perhaps Sieg Heil.

          • Re Ja

            Planned Parenthood has consistently lied about their income from abortion by the way they count number of services instead of revenue per service type. You only do that when you know you want to hide something from the public. In view of that, I don’t know why anyone would believe them when they say that providing baby parts to bio-brokers isn’t an income stream for them.
            http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/07/_3_percent_of_planned_parenthood_s_services_are_abortion_but_what_about.html

          • antigon

            What? Are you suggesting Dr. Mengele would lie?

          • Korou

            Doesn’t sound like a very reputable source to me. And, as I’ve already said, there’s nothing wrong with Planned Parenthood getting reimbursed for the costs of preserving and transporting the materials that are sent for life-saving medical research.

          • Blobee

            It is so apparent from the video and the transcript that PP, and Nucatola as its representative, are expert at sidestepping the law. There’s even a part where she says laws are subject to interpretation, referring to how she uses what she considers a loophole in the law (intent) when she performs partial birth abortions, which she acknowledges are against the law but produce the best results for procurement.

            She also goes on for a while about their legal department not wanting PP to be the “middleman” for organizing tissue procurement for each facility, apparently because they are very aware that what is desired is illegal. So she describes how it has to be each facility getting into an agreement with the procurement company separately. But she is more than willing to make contact with the key persons at each facility on behalf of the procurement company in order to facilitate the procurement company’s business arrangement. It’s very telling.

            Even at the beginning of the discussion Nucatola goes on for a while about needing to “frame” describing what they are doing in order to get the most benign interpretation of what everyone would see they are clearly doing. Please don’t defend this heinous organization. Rationalizations and justifications are the hallmark of this organization.

          • Korou

            Blobee, there really isn’t anything to be said here. There’s no gotcha in the video. It’s just a person from Planned Parenthood talking about what they do; they perform abortions and the patients are given the option of donating to medical research, which Planned Parenthood is then reimbursed for. There’s nothing either legally or morally wrong with presenting such a charged issue in the most neutral light, and nothing incriminating in the video.

          • antigon

            Another Mengele paraphrase, Doc, or another quote?

          • AnneG

            They break the law. It is illegal to sell human body parts, period. And, now, there is another video.

          • Korou

            It is neither legally nor morally wrong to donate aborted fetus parts to medical research and to be reimbursed for transportation, etc. costs.
            Even if you don’t agree with this as a moral issue you ought to know that nothing illegal has been done.

          • AnneG

            Korou, you have used every obfuscation, false argument, garbage on the lawn argument and are reduced to “it’s not illegal” when it clearly is. There is a law that applies.
            I feel sorry you have so little insight and have been praying for you.
            There is none so blind as will not see.

          • Korou

            I’m sorry, but you’re wrong.
            When a patient has an abortion there is an option for them to donate any and all parts of the aborted fetus to medical research. I understand you think this is ghoulish, but it is not illegal.
            In addition, Planned Parenthood is quite within its rights to reclaim small and reasonable amounts of money for the preservation and transportation, etc. of these parts.
            Again, nothing illegal has occurred. Got it?

          • AnneG

            They are not donating. Trafficking in human organs is illegal whether you believe it or not.
            What I get is that you refuse facts because you don’t agree.

          • AnneG

            PP does 400k abortions on “10%” of the people who come in to centers. Tricky. They count every person who goes through their doors, men, women, children, visitors, UPS guy and probably staff, too.
            94% of women who go in get their baby aborted.
            They got $540 million in 2013 from the U.S. Government.
            Shoots holes in some of your theories. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
            Just admit it. They kill babies. You think that is fine.
            They harvest specific organs from those babies, they admit it. Why are you even arguing?

          • Korou

            I’m arguing because I don’t see anything wrong with what you’ve said. I don’t see it as “killing babies”, I see it as aborting fetuses. As such, I don’t care how many are aborted any more than I care how many people get fillings in their teeth at the dentist; or whether they “harvest organs”, as the patients in question have given their consent for these to be used for life-saving medical research.

          • antigon

            Is that a direct Mengele quote, Doc, or are you paraphrasing?

          • AnneG

            No informed consent has been given. What they are doing is illegal. You cannot sell human body parts.
            Why are you so in favor of killing babies? This is a serious moral issue. Think about it.

          • Korou

            Informed consent had certainly been given, and nothing illegal had been done.
            In addition, if you think a pro-choice person is “in favour of killing babies” – well look, I know you think that’s what’s happening, but don’t you realise that that’s not what they think? And if you ask such a ridiculous question all they’ll do is say “I’m not in favour of killing babies” and decide you’re not worth arguing with.
            If you’re going to seriously engage your opponents you’re going to have to understand their positions. Take this as a piece of friendly advice. Until you do, you have no hope of persuading anyone to your point of view.

          • antigon

            ‘in reality Planned Parenthood is a medical health clinic.’
            *
            Absolutely Doc. Just like those medical health clinics your mentor Mengele used to run as a prep ’til he found his pure vocation as a full time abortionist.

          • AnneG

            I am quite sure they do not obtain imformed consent for the tissue harvesting. They just say, “we’ll take care of it.” After, all, it’s just a blob of tissue according to what they tell the victims/women.
            That’s why they don’t want ultrasounds, except to see where to crush.

        • Blobee

          That is not true. I read the full transcript. The shorter video may be selective for it’s shocking impact, but in no way does it portray a skewed version of the whole conversation. In fact, Nucatola’s eagerness to help this procurement company get going and talk to the right people is evident even in the transcript. She expresses again and again how eager facilities are to supply these body parts, and offers many suggestions of how the procurement company can make inroads into the market.

          • Korou

            And there’s nothing wrong with any of that. There is nothing in either the edited or the full version of the video which is either legally or morally problematic.

          • antigon

            Neither for you nor for your hero Mengele perhaps, tho for opponents of mass murder possibly a tad problematic.

        • AnneG

          Korou, you made no argument. The video exists. PP president Cecile Richards admitted that it was correct. Dr Nucatelo described the procedure in graphic detail.
          You have set up another false argument, again.

          • Korou

            You have failed to make any argument at all, apart from an emotional and visceral appeal.
            I imagine that if you heard dentists, surgeons or funeral directors talking about their work it would strike you as pretty detached, chilling and gruesome as well. Well, that’s medicine for you.

          • antigon

            You’ve got your mentor Mengele’s quote book right by your side don’t you Doc? Really, virtually all you’ve written sounds like it’s straight from his diary
            *
            Par example: opposition to murdering untermenschen, what a stupid emotional & visceral appeal.
            *
            To such as you & your boy anyhow.

          • Korou

            Wow, the brilliance of your ripostes is breathtaking. I’ve quite forgotten what to say.

            Oh yes, now I’ve remembered.

            Goodbye, little troll.

          • antigon

            Alas for thee, not little enough to dismember, tho you’re welcome to stop by & give it a try.
            *
            But of course no, brave as you crypto boys are when the victims are small enough.

          • AnneG

            I’m a nurse, worked in the OR for years. I’ve seen a lot and know you have to be detached to do your work well.
            This, however, is about harvesting organs from a child you just killed.
            It is a human baby, whether you use he term fetus or not.
            It isn’t a pig or a dog or a lizard. It is a human baby.
            You are advocating murder, pure and simple. It’s sad that you can’t see that.

          • Korou

            See my response about understanding another person’s arguments.

          • AnneG

            See my response above. That’s what you always say when you disagree with the reasoning of your respondent.

          • Korou

            I’ve already said to you that you need to understand your opponent’s arguments before you can argue against them. Hysterical denunciations of them as being sinful liars don’t prove anything.

          • AnneG

            I’m not hysterical.
            I understand your arguments which are incorrect and morally blind.
            You cannot sell human organs.
            I don’t understand why you can’t take the plain facts and keep arguing those.
            It must be because of your preconceived ideas.

          • Korou

            Perhaps if I say it slowly and carefully enough.

            They are
            NOT
            discussing the
            SALE
            of human organs.

            They are discussing
            REIMBURSEMENT
            for
            the PRESERVATION
            and TRANSPORTATION
            of fetal parts
            DONATED
            to scientific research.

            Which.
            Is.
            Legal.

            If you didn’t know that this was legal, then now you do know it. You’re welcome.

          • AnneG

            Korou, Bless your heart. I know that you are saying, but your argument reminds me of the Mafia don who pays one of his guys to make someone “go away.” He never said go kill them. He didn’t have to.
            Also reminds me of not having sex with that woman and depends what your definition of is is.
            The latest video pretty much shoots down your argument, no matter how big a font you use.

          • Korou

            Not really. This isn’t a discussion about whether abortion is murder or not. It’s a discussion about the allegations that Planned Parenthood is breaking the law. And there is.nothing in either video to show that they are.
            This is just another case of what you might call “Liars for Jesus” – people who think that because they’re right it’s okay to lie – that the ends justify the means.

          • AnneG

            1. Change medical procedure to benefit customer…not patient. Medically unethical

            2. Crunch above, crunch below. To benefit customer. Unethical

            3. Partial birth ab. Illegal and unethical.

            4. Less crunchy procedure. Unethical

            5. Haggling for price of organs. Slavery. Selling body parts. Illegal.

            Did you even watch the videos or just looked at PP’s talking points.
            Bless your heart.

          • Korou

            Yes, I did watch the video and also read the full transcript. Considering the history of lying videos made by pro-lifers, which we can see are still being perpetuated here, I think you would also be wise to listen to what Planned Parenthood have to say. Are you sure your distate for the organisation is not blinding you to the facts?

            Focusing on (5) for the moment – no, this is quite, quite wrong. They are not haggling over the price of organs, and the organs are not being sold. The video makes it quite clear that they are talking about the reimbursal of costs for preservation, transportation, etc.

            Which is why Dr. Nucatola said:
            “Right now, when they are consenting to tissue donation, they’re just consenting to what happens with the tissue after the procedure is done.”
            and
            “nobody should be “selling” tissue. That’s just not the goal here.”

            And this is completely legal, as it should be.
            See http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419 for more information on this deceptive video.

          • Korou

            For the other points:
            (1), (2) and (4) – it doesn’t really matter which method the abortionist chooses to use; why would it? The patient has given consent to them donating the materials, so why should the abortionists not use whichever method they think best?
            For (3) there is no evidence that partial-birth abortions are being used.

            And that’s basically what this whole manufactured episode is about – a load of outrage whipped up, with nothing underneath it.

        • antigon

          Appreciate the detached input Dr. Mengele.

          • Korou

            It must be exciting to pretend that you’re a heroic freedom fighter working tirelessly against the Nazis of the twenty-first century by…voting and commenting on blogs.

          • antigon

            Arguably not as exciting as gobbling those untermenshcen livers you find so tasty Doc.

    • Sue Korlan

      Actually, they have now released the full video. It’s over 2 hours long and available at LifeNews.com. I don’t have that kind of time to watch a video, but if you do it’s there.

  • JohnE_o

    Are you taking the position that no research involving the use of fetal tissue should ever be done?

    If not, and you think such research is licit, then what sort of means of obtaining them would you propose that is different from the current setup, which allows the sort of reimbursement discussed in this video?

    • Blobee

      Reimbursement is legal to recover any costs associated with the cleaning, preparation, storage or transportation of the tissues (that’s not the technical language, just a summary). But according to the transcript (which I read in its entirety) the suggestion by Nucatola was that the procurement company would send a person (technician?) who would do all that work in the facility as the tissues are supplied after each abortion. They would only require a small workspace to do so, and according to the transcript, would also work to get consent from the mother. So what costs would the facility actually incur that are being reimbursed for? It is clearly for the sale of these body parts. Gruesome.

      • AnneG

        The .procuring company” would also order certain body parts in quantity, “some people like livers, now, some people want lungs, some want hearts for the av node…” So, it is obvious there is a procurement process that is trying to,circumvent multiple laws and standards.
        I’ve witnessed enough consent forms to say that patients have no idea what is being done with their murdered babies” remains.
        This is a dirty business and people trying to make excuses only make it dirtier.

  • Korou

    This is worth reading: a Catholic teacher in a Catholic school who was a former laboratory scientist. Some excerpts:

    “Some of my career was spent doing research, and I have, quite frankly, watched with speechless horror as the country has turned against science and intellectualism, and it scares me. It scares me on a primal, personal-safety-might-be-threatened sort of way.
    Let me tell you a little secret you probably suspected about medicine….Most of it is icky…

    And that is what pisses me off so bad about the latest attack video on Planned Parenthood. The so-called pro-life activists playing “gotcha” with a doctor
    who thinks and speaks in clinical terms essentially wants more people
    like me to clasp hands with a pathologist before they start to cut on a
    dead baby to find out why it is in front of them instead of in the
    nursery. I’m sure it won’t be the last time I have to say it, but damn I’m
    getting tired of saying it….When a fetus is aborted by the D & X
    procedure, it’s a wanted child but the pregnancy has gone
    wrong…horribly, horribly wrong. Sometimes the fetus has fatal or
    quality-of-life defects and the parents decide the humane thing is
    termination. There are other instances where the mother’s life, health
    or future fertility are at risk.
    And guess what, pro-lifers? If you get the ______ out of the way
    and stop playing “gotcha” and setting up front groups with no other
    purpose than to entrap a Planned Parenthood (only 3% of their work is
    abortions) official discussing a topic that is inherently unpleasant on
    hidden camera so they can heavily edit the footage, research can happen
    and less wanted children will die…

    …I know what the doctor was talking about is a topic that makes people
    uncomfortable, and makes people squirm, but the tissue and organs she
    talked about preserving as doomed fetuses were aborted were shipped to
    labs — much like, hell, EXACTLY like — the one I used to work in,
    those tissue samples, those intact defective organs, allow for medical
    advances in the fields of perinatology and neonatology, and those
    advances mean the pathologist and the technologist have a lot fewer
    opportunities to clasp hands and say a silent prayer before beginning an
    autopsy on a stillbirth or a dead neonate.”

    Read the whole thing at http://www.showmeprogress.com/diary/10359/on-science

  • ElRay

    Care to actually follow-up on the video?

    How about an article from somebody whole watched all 12 hours of video and exposes how the edits were intentionally deceptive (e.g. a LIE) and the conversation was guided to attempt to make PP look bad (e.g. a LIE) and the interviewer continually solicited something illegal, which PP continually pointed out was illegal and they did not do:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9140849/planned-parenthood-videos-unedited

    How about pointing out how government agencies, under the direction of the GOP, committed and changed information (e.g. LIED) in the analysis that cleared PP of any wrong doing:

    http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/09/03/florida-officials-changed-press-releases-cleared-planned-parenthood-wrongdoing/

    How about addressing the evidence that shows that the supposedly full videos were deceptively edited (e.g. a double LIE):

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/planned-parenthood-even-full-videos-were-altered

    How about addressing all the articles pointing out that the video is indeed a fraud, designed to be deceptive (e.g. LYING) and intentionally and artificially (e.g. lying) damaging to people’s carers, reputations, etc.. and shows a general lack of concern about destroying people’s lives:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_really_proves_right_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/

    How about addressing all the evidence that the released videos and transcripts are fraudulent (e.g. LIES):

    http://m.snopes.com/fetal-tissue-sales/

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/44832_The_Huge_Right_Wing_Anti-Choice_Fake_Outrage_of_the_Day

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/

    http://rhrealitycheck.org/reality-cast/2015/07/20/debunking-planned-parenthood-video-hoax/

    http://wonkette.com/591066/why-is-planned-parenthood-selling-your-babby-for-scrap-oh-right-its-not

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/15/media-calls-out-deceptively-edited-video-claimi/204426

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/opinions/louis-planned-parenthood/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/abortion-planned-parenthood-videos.html?_r=0

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/31/a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-deceptively-edited/205264

    http://rhrealitycheck.org/tag/center-for-medical-progress-video/

    https://istandwithpp.org/facts/how-anti-planned-parenthood-videos-were-deceptively-edited/

    The release of it, and the continued use of it to support reality defying positions, is lying, which is a violation of the 8th (or 9th, depending on which of the over 200 versions of the supposedly immutable christian bible you adhere to) Commandment.