The Münchhausen martyrdom of Rick Warren, Chuck Colson and Fr. Jonathan Morris

The Münchhausen martyrdom of Rick Warren, Chuck Colson and Fr. Jonathan Morris February 19, 2012

These folks aren’t driven by religion. They’re not really even driven by politics.

It’s just a big fantasy role-playing game.

Rick Warren, Charles Colson, Richard Land and Father Jonathan Morris all might as well be playing World of Warcraft.

Let me show you what I mean. Here’s Rick Warren, boasting of his own courage in a tweet allegedly responding to the news that health insurance for women must include health coverage for women:

I’d go to jail rather than cave in to a government mandate that violates what God commands us to do. Would you?

Ooh, so bold! What a profile in courage! What a valiant stand against oppression and persecution!

That’s what Rick Warren thinks of himself, obviously, but it’s not clear why anyone here in reality would share that view.

You can’t take a valiant stand against oppression and persecution when no one is oppressing or persecuting you. Standing up against threats that exist only in your own imagination does not constitute bravery or courage.

“I’d ride a cannonball rather than cave in to a government mandate.”

Rick Warren is a fantasist. That fantasy allows him to stroke his own ego, but it also makes him appear ridiculous to anyone not caught up in the fantasy with him. He claims to be a martyr but reveals himself to be Baron Münchhausen.

Even more embarrassing for Warren is that his hypothetical courageous stand has, for the past 13 years, been a case of actual cowardice. Warren boldly proclaims that he would “go to jail” rather than to submit to such an allegedly outrageous “government mandate,” but he’s been submitting to exactly the same law since 1999.

You see, Warren’s ministry is located in Lake Forest, California (Orange County). And a birth control mandate has been law in California for a long time. Since 1999, actually.

Cal. Insurance Code § 10123.196 and Cal. Health & Safety Code § 1367.25 (1999) require certain health insurance policies that already cover prescription drugs to provide coverage for prescription contraceptive methods approved by the FDA. Religious employers can request health insurance plans without coverage of approved contraceptive methods that are contrary to the employer’s religious tenants. (AB 39)

Now, California allows churches to opt out, but so does the federal one. In fact, the federal law was modeled after the exemption offered by California and other states.

So either Warren has somehow been persecuted for 13 years without noticing it or else he’s transparently puffing himself up over something he knows is completely fabricated.

Markos Moulitsas is having some fun with Warren’s pompous pratfall. Kos has started an online petition: “Rick Warren, please report to jail.”

Rick Warren, you claim that you would rather go to jail than comply with a law requiring health insurance policies to cover contraception without co-pays.

However, the state where your ministry is based, California, has had such a law since 1999.

So we’re just wondering why you haven’t you turned yourself in to the authorities yet. You have only had 13 years to do so.

The problem, though, is that even if Warren believed his own scam, he still couldn’t “report to jail” because no one is trying to send him there. The law that upsets him does not in any way threaten him. There is no “government mandate” that would force him to violate what he thinks God commands him to do.

Warren is just fantasy role-playing.

Just as grandiose and just as foolishly self-congratulatory are the ministerial Malvolios tripping over themselves to declare that health care for women is cause for “civil disobedience.”

Charles “homos and queers” Colson sounded the call in solidarity with his Manhattan Declaration buddies:

We have come to the point — I say this very soberly — when if there isn’t a dramatic change is circumstances, we as Christians may well be called upon to stand in civil disobedience against the actions of our own government.  … I’ve made up my mind — sober as that decision would have to be — that I will stand for the Lord regardless of what my state tells me.

Colson is singing their favorite tune, so the usual suspects have to get up and dance. Folks like Southern Baptist ethics czar Richard Land rushed to join in the self-congratulatory role-play of Colson’s fantasy.

In their imagination, they are being heroic and brave. See how bravely they stand up to the oppression they’ve concocted in their imaginations? See how courageously they vow to withstand this non-existent oppression?

Part of the problem here is that none of these preening posers seems to understand what civil disobedience means.* They’re upset about a mandate from which their ministries are exempt. I don’t understand how they intend to disobey a law that does not apply to them. It would be like me trying to use civil disobedience to protest the designated hitter rule.

I suppose they might decide to broaden their scope to include the whole of the Affordable Care Act, courageously standing up for the right of insurance companies to deny coverage to sick children. They might be able to disobey that law by refusing to provide any health care coverage for their employees.

Technically, that might be a form of civil disobedience, but it would introduce a possibility that Thoreau, Gandhi and King never imagined: an act of civil disobedience that constituted a graver injustice than the supposedly unjust law it was meant to protest.

Plus, I seem to recall the Bible having something to say about employers who deny their laborers the wages they have earned. It starts with “weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you” and then it gets really harsh.

So they might want to keep that in mind.

But as fatuous and ridiculous as the fantasies of Colson, Land and Warren are, they’re exceeded by the new champion of pomposity: Catholic priest Jonathan Morris.

Morris seized the throne of King Laughingstock by declaring that he was “willing to die” to defend his right not to live in a country where women have access to preventive health care.

Morris has apparently failed to notice that no one is threatening to kill him. Or to harm him. Or even to make him pay the taxes that the rest of us pay.

Morris seems to think that defying a non-existent threat makes him appear brave rather than appearing divorced from reality. He has forgotten that in order to be martyred, someone has to be trying to kill you. And the government simply refuses to oblige his great desire to be horribly oppressed.

I’m pretty sure Catholic doctrine forbids self-immolation, so even that path to martyrdom also doesn’t seem available for to Morris. But even that wouldn’t make him a martyr — it would just make him “that messed-up priest who offed himself because Blue Cross stopped charging co-pays.”

Morris desperately wants our admiration. He certainly admires himself — so much that he assumes the rest of us will join him.

But while this sad, ridiculous man doesn’t merit anyone else’s admiration, he has earned my attention. I can’t wait to see how he intends to nail his second hand to the cross-beam all by himself.

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* This is what civil disobedience looks like:

On December 1, 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama, [Rosa] Parks refused to obey bus driver James F. Blake’s order that she give up her seat to make room for a white passenger. … Parks’ civil disobedience had the effect of sparking the Montgomery Bus Boycott.

… By refusing to give up her seat on a Montgomery bus to a white man, Parks was more clearly in violation of custom than of law. Nonetheless, her refusal amounted to an act of civil disobedience, resulted in her arrest and conviction by a local court, and proved to be the spark for the Montgomery Bus Boycott.

… Blake … said, “Why don’t you stand up?” Parks responded, “I don’t think I should have to stand up.” Blake called the police to arrest Parks. When recalling the incident for Eyes on the Prize, a 1987 public television series on the Civil Rights Movement, Parks said, “When he saw me still sitting, he asked if I was going to stand up, and I said, ‘No, I’m not.’ And he said, ‘Well, if you don’t stand up, I’m going to have to call the police and have you arrested.’ I said, ‘You may do that.'”

The law was unjust. The law directly applied to Rosa Parks. Parks broke the unjust law, was arrested and convicted.

We have many laws that I believe are unjust. The Citizens United ruling, for example, which effectively legislated into existence the corrupting and un-democratic Super Pacs, giving corporations and billionaires undue influence in our elections, is unjust. The policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial for those held at Guantanamo Bay is an atrocity against the Constitution. But I am not engaged in civil disobedience against those laws because they do not apply to me in a way that requires me to obey them or enables me to disobey them. Since I cannot disobey those laws, civil disobedience is not an option for me to oppose them.

I could announce that I planned to demonstrate my opposition to such laws by trespassing on corporate or military property. My arrest might serve to bring attention to my concern, but it would be political theater, not civil disobedience. The law I would be disobeying would not be related to the law I was protesting. I would be, in effect, violating a just law in an attempt to draw attention to an unrelated unjust law.

And but so, the point being that Rick Warren and Chuck Colson are pretending they’re Rosa Parks. They’re not. Not even close.

These men are pretending their the heirs to Martin Luther King Jr., penning their own “Letter from a Birmingham Jail.” But they’ve forgotten the salient point about that inspired epistle — it was a letter from jail. King was really being persecuted. They are not. They imagine themselves to be the heirs to his legacy, but in actual fact they are the heirs — precisely — of the white clergymen who were standing in the way of human rights.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Lunch. I am checking on that. Yes, I care if it is right or not. It is a huge part of the issue.
    No, you *don’t* care if it’s right or not, or you would be getting your information on its effects from non-partisan sources like the FDA. Instead you’re looking at “pro-life” sources that have a long history of proven lies, exactly the opposite of what someone who cared whether it was right or not would do.

  • Patrick Phelan

    Poor German. Such a genuinely wonderful language, abused to make hyperbolic Nazi references. Anyway, back on topic… might it not be public service for a group of GMs to take in these poor fantasy-deprived Quixotes and run campaigns for them? I’d support it. “The Faux-Crusader Gaming Service: because it’s better for fictional goblins to suffer than it is for real people.”

    I’ll volunteer, but I’d probably end up running a deeply satirical Dogs in the Vineyard campaign about them being wrong about everything.


    I came across a just mindblowing article that very succinctly reveals just the kind of shitbags some Repubs can be.

  • Matri

    … I am disturbed by how little this surprises me.

  • Lori

    I wasn’t surprised and I actually wasn’t particularly disturbed by that. I think I’ve just had enough exposure to Homocons that I know what to expect. They’re odd, pretty much by definition. That goes double for the closet cases. When you are driven to join a group that makes bank off of hating you, you have some seriously weird shit going on. When you not only join the group, but actually make it your career you’ve added a whole other level of wrong. The fact that the freakishness and self-loathing bleeds out in the form of treating other people like utter crap is not exactly a surprise. In fact it would be more of a surprise if it didn’t happen. 

    Paul Babeu’s entire biography points to him being highly skilled at hiding who he is in order to get ahead in situations where his reality is deemed Not OK. He has spent his entire adult life mired in contradictions, secrets and lies. The fact that he was willing to treat someone he once cared about incredibly badly in order to maintain his secrets just doesn’t surprise me at all. Trapped animals are mean, even when they climbed into the trap of their own free will. 

  • Rikalous


    Anyway, back on topic… might it not be public service for a group of
    GMs to take in these poor fantasy-deprived Quixotes and run campaigns
    for them?

    It might, if you could convince them that it’s safe to play without them being possessed by demons or the other players casting spells on them.

    You’d probably have to start them off with Dragon Raid. Definitely nothing with nonChristian religions or playable demons.

  • Consumer Unit 5012


    Calling a blastocyst,
    which comprises a clump of 70-100 undifferentiated cells, a “human
    child” is a clever bit of propaganda on the part of the pro-life
    organization you’re quoting.  That’s like calling an acorn an oak tree.
     Wrong, and obviously so.

    Anyway … how goes your brave crusade
    against fertility treatments—during each of which hundreds of these
    blastocysts may be destroyed?

    That’s a drop in the bucket.  What about all the POOR INNOCENT PRE-BORN CHIIIILDREEEN who never even manage to latch onto Mommy’s uterine wall, and go out with the next menstruation? I remember reading this is estimated to happen to somewhere between 20-40% of all Precious Little Sacred BAAAABIES. THIS TRAGEDY MUST BE STOPPED!!@!!two!1!

  • Kiba

    all I can say is that I am so glad so many are standing with us on NOT including anything that induces abortions in the mandate. Hope that line can hold.

    Oy. How many times do you have to be told that abortions are not covered in the mandate? That line you’re “holding” is a complete and utter fiction.

  • Consumer Unit 5012


    I am interested to find out when and IF many feel a fertilized human egg becomes human and made in the image of God.

    15 years old.  My church strictly forbids all abortions performed after 15 years of age.

    But if there is a chance, a whisper of a chance, that that those 50 or
    100 cells do make a person and it bears the Imago Dei, neither I, the
    insurance company nor the mother have a right to kill it.

    Funny, I’ve missed the part where you refused to spend any money that might support the US Government bombing a WHOLE BUNCH of Imago Deis _back_ into clouds of undifferentiated tissue.  Or is this that thing where the fetuses are only holy and sacrosanct up until they exit the birth canal?

    Oh, and here’s one for you:  If God inserts a soul into a blastocyst, He must be doing it AFTER it passes the threshhold where it can split into twins.  Otherwise, twins would either be timesharing a single soul, or one of them would have no soul at all.  But how do we tell which?

  • FangsFirst


    But how do we tell which?

    Weigh each of them against a duck!

    Wait, no, no. Wrong test.

  • Katie

    I’m glad that several people used the word ‘asshole’ to describe Alan Eason earlier in the comments.  I wasn’t sure what level of profanity was acceptable to use here, and I’m very pleased to get to call him an asshole.

    Alan Eason, you are a sanctimonious asshole.  You, and people like you, have caused me unspeakable pain.  Pain that I would not wish on even a worm like you.  For me, abortion isn’t an abstraction.  When I think of abortion, I don’t have the luxury of fantasizing about how I would react if my pregnant daughter came to me and needed help paying for an abortion.  When I think of abortion, now the first thing that comes to mind is the living hell that I went through little less than a month ago.

    In early December, I took a home pregnancy test, and discovered that I was pregnant.  This pregnancy was very much planned, very much wanted, and my husband and I were very happy.  Then, nine weeks into my pregnancy, I had an ultrasound, which was occasioned by me rushing to the doctor to make sure that the bloody discharge I’d noticed wasn’t the start of a miscarriage.  As I think I mentioned earlier, this was a very wanted pregnancy.  During this ultrasound, I discovered that I was pregnant with severely conjoined twins. They were joined from the top of the chest to the bottom of the abdomen.  There was only one heart.  There was only one umbilical cord.  Because the quantity of oxygen and nutrients wasn’t sufficient to support two bodies, one of them was already starting to develop abnormally.  I was told by the perinatologist, and my own obstetrician agreed with her assessment, that the most likely outcome was that at some point before I reached full term, the twins would expire.  At that point, they would be large enough that removing them from my body would be difficult for the doctor, dangerous to my life, my health and my future fertility.  In the highly unlikely event that they did manage to survive to the point where they might be viable, it was extremely unlikely that one of them would survive the operation needed to separate them.  This operation would, unavoidably, kill one of them, as there was only one heart. My husband and I cried as we faced the agonizing reality that there was no realistic way that this pregnancy was going to end with us holding a living baby.  It was made worse by the knowledge that, had the division happened a few days earlier, we could have been holding two babies.  And, because we chose to end the pregnancy at a time and in a way that was most likely to preserve my life, my health and my future fertility, our situation was made worse by small minded, sanctimonious assholes like Alan Eason.

    I was too far along to use one of the ‘abortion drugs’ that Alan and his ilk love to wring their hands over, and my doctor doesn’t do medical abortions, because she doesn’t want to have assholes praying outside of her office and putting her picture on wanted posters.  So, because Alan Eason is an asshole….

    I had to make an appointment with another doctor, who does do medical abortions.  This meant that I had to spend five agonizing days in the hell of being pregnant, and knowing that this pregnancy was not viable, was not and could not result in anything other than pain.  I had to do this because Alan Eason is an asshole.

    Then, the day of my appointment came.  At the doctor’s office, I had to sign legal documents saying that I was not being coerced into having an abortion, and that I was not having an abortion because of the sex of the fetus, or because of the race of the fetus, or of the fetus’s father.  This was a painful reminder that I had no choice but to abort, and that I would never know the sex, or the eye color, or anything else.  That no matter how desperately I wished that things could be different, that this pregnancy wasn’t going to end in a joyful birth.  I had to listen while the doctor read a government mandated statement about adoption, telling me that I might qualify for welfare programs, and read statements about fetal development that were totally untrue.  I had to endure this alone, because a bunch of assholes decided that only the pregnant woman and the doctor can be in the room.  I also had to go through an ultrasound, although, in a rare moment of something akin to decency, I wasn’t required to listen to the heartbeat,  or look at the picture.  Doing that the first time had almost broken me.  Then, because Alan Eason is an asshole, I had to go home and wait 24 hours.

    The next day, I went back to the doctor’s office and had the abortion.  I regret that I had to do it, and I wish that I had any other choice, and if I had it to do over again, I’d make the same choice.  Because I did the best thing for myself and my family.  And as hellish as my situation is, the laws that were put in place by assholes like Alan Eason made it worse.

    So, in summary, Alan Eason, you are an asshole.

  • Consumer Unit 5012


    Once a person is created, they exist forever. I believe that. You may not. But I do.

    So…. what’s the big deal if they get aborted, then? 

  • Lunch Meat

    I’m so sorry for the pain you went through. Thank you for sharing your story even though I’m sure it causes you more pain. I hope it gets through to someone.

  • Consumer Unit 5012


    Oy. How many times do you have to be told that abortions are not covered in the mandate? That line you’re “holding” is a complete and utter fiction.

    Who do you expect him to believe, his beloved priests, or those lying, untrustworthy facts?

  • Katie

    I’d like to add, as a postscript, that I don’t think that the nature of my case entitled me to special treatment.  Looking around the waiting room, I could see that no one there wanted to be there.  Their reasons for having an abortion might have been different than mine, but like me, they were choosing the least-bad path open to them.

    I also realize that I was lucky.  I live in a major city, so I didn’t have to travel a long distance, pay for a hotel, take a lot of time off work, or any of the other logistical problems that many women in my situation face.  I have health insurance, which made it possible for me to have the tests done that let me discover this early on.  My friends and family reacted with love and support, not hatred and condemnation.    But it was still the hardest thing I’ve had to do in my life. 

    I’m also, oddly enough, happy that Alan Eason posted in these comments.  Although I cried while I was writing my first post, getting to call one of the people who hurt me an asshole was cathartic.

  • Lori

    I am so sorry for your horrible experience. I wish you and your husband healing in this difficult time. 

  • Kiba

    @ Consumer Unit 5012

    Yeah, I know: Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!

    I just hope he gets splinters climbing onto that cross of his.

  • FangsFirst


    Although I cried while I was writing my first post, getting to call one
    of the people who hurt me an asshole was cathartic.

    That makes me feel a lot better about “liking” that post. It…felt cathartic, like there was a direction to the hurt and anger, a focus, and I liked that you could follow awful things with “And I understand why I was forced to deal with this awfulness,” and then make a perfectly accurate judgment of those responsible.

    That was the instinct, but, otherwise, it was a painful and unpleasant story, and I hate those like it for everyone who has them to tell. I don’t want to “like” any such thing…but it felt so pure in intent that it seemed right anyway.

    And, while I refrained from the directed usage of asshole, Fred has used it himself, so you are in perfectly acceptable company there.

    It had not occurred to me just how devastating stupid regulations like that could be to someone who is in a place where there isn’t even a chance at the option those hideous things are supposed to lead a woman to take. Thank you, I guess, for that bit of knowledge. What seemed an unfair annoyance or hassle for those who are looking at an early and unemotional procedure, takes on a whole new dimension when framed in the reality of someone who has actually had to endure them as a source of direct pain. Loathsome things…I hope the emotional truth of your story reaches more people. Enough people. I can’t really bear the thought of more people having to endure that for no good reason.

  • Would you respect Susan Smith’s view that God told her to murder her children? Why should we give Abraham any more slack? 

  • Matri

    You have my sympathies and condolences.

    I’d like to point out for the record that Alan Eason supported the murder of this woman here, by wanting Katie to carry the conjoined twins to term and thereby guaranteeing her and their death by childbirth complications.

    Alan, why not be straight with us and just tell us you would rather kill 3 people than save 1.

  • Katie, I’m very moved by your story and hope you and your husband are okay – especially you, as you had to undergo the procedure.

    It’s stories like yours that really impress upon me that the majority of men cannot appreciate how difficult the struggle can be for pregnant women when something has gone wrong during a pregnancy.

  • Ursula L

    I don’t claim to be an expert on the *magic moment when a fertilized human egg becomes a person, made in the image of God. But I have usually been the cautious type and prefer to err on the side of safety, especially when life is at stake. 

    If you’re going to err on the side of safety when a human life is at stake, then you’ll be 100% pro-choice for all nine months of pregnancy.

    You freely admit that you don’t know when a fertilized egg becomes a human being.

    But you know, with 100% certainty, that an adult woman is a human being.

    So erring on the side of protecting human life means erring on the side of protecting adult women, whom you are 100% certain are human beings, rather than throwing away those 100% verified human beings in favor of a maybe.

    Pregnancy kills.  It killed my grandmother. It has killed millions of women throughout human history.  It still kills today.

    To err on the side of protecting human life means allowing  free use of birth control and abortion, so that no 100% verifiable human being has their life put at risk by pregnancy, unless they voluntarily take on that risk and continue to accept that risk for all nine months, freely and without coercion.  

    (Also, conditions that force women to go through pregnancy without choice don’t do much good for children.  My aunt has suffered mentally, knowing that she killed her own mother, and knowing that my grandmother did not have a choice about pregnancy – she had no access to birth control or abortion, and was in an arranged marriage to a man who wanted sons, and who refused to allow her to have a hysterectomy, as the doctors recommended after the birth of my mother nearly killed her.  It hasn’t done my mother much good, either, to know that if she’d been a boy, my grandfather might have allowed the hysterectomy, and her mother might have lived.  The toxic consequences of this lack of choice have also damaged the relationship between my mother and my aunt, for obvious reasons.)

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     But you know, with 100% certainty, that an adult woman is a human being.

    At this point, a million snide remarks about the status women have in some religious groups spring to my mind, all unflattering to said groups.

    So I’ll just say I’m not convinced he DOES know that.

  • Ursula L

    At this point, a million snide remarks about the status women have in some religious groups spring to my mind, all unflattering to said groups.

    So I’ll just say I’m not convinced he DOES know that.

    He knows it. 

    He may not want to admit it.  Some religious groups may not want to admit it.

    But it is a self-evident truth, that adult women are human beings, and no one is allowed to pretend that they don’t know that.  If they claim otherwise, they’re liars, slanderers, and otherwise evil people.  And they deserve no more respect than a child with chocolate over their face who says they weren’t sneaking into the candy jar.  Less respect, actually, as a child who sneaks candy does no real harm to any other human being. 

  • Katie

     To be absolutely fair, it wasn’t a certainty that attempting to carry the pregnancy to term would kill me.  If I’d been further along, the procedure to remove the dead fetuses surgically would have carried a greater risk of damaging my uterus, possibly in ways that would cause a possibly fatal hemorrhage, or at least cause the removal of my uterus, in order to save my life.  Inducing labor, as was done with Mrs. Santorum, or a C-section would carry the same risks normally associated with childbirth.  Risks that are not, I would hasten to add, non-existent. 
    So, in the interests of fairness, we really should say that Alan Eason is indifferent to the increased risk to my life that attempting to continue with the pregnancy would have caused.  Depraved indifference, rather than premeditated murder.

  • Matri

    Point taken.

    But given the circumstances, namely that the twins would have unavoidably expired in the womb, carrying them to term would still have caused unnecessary strain and risks to you.

  • Anonymous

    Good article!

  • Anonymous

     . . . unless Morris means he’s willing to become a suicide terrorist to push his point. Very thin line between Munchausen Syndrome and the sort of crazy who would make his underwear into a bomb, or fly an airplane into a building, or bomb a daycare center in Oklahoma City because it happens to be in a federal building.

  • THIS: ” an act of civil disobedience that constituted a graver injustice than the supposedly unjust law it was meant to protest.”

    That reminds me of the most absurd bit of political protest theatre I’ve ever heard of: When Teahadist GrandMasterDragon Dick Armey got several awfully confused seniors to protest the ACA and its “death panels” by “dying” outside of legislators’ doors.

    Because expanding medical coverage will kill us all…

  • Lori

    The thing I couldn’t figure out about that “death panel” die-in was this: if you really believe someone wants to kill you, or at least to be able to kill you when it suits him, why would you suppose that pretending to die, i.e. giving him what he wants, would be an effective protest?

  • Because then the world would see that’s what you want. You know, dogs and fire hoses attacking little children, etc.

    The theater part I get – it was stolen from leftist guerilla activism. It was the object that I just can’t get over. The die in should have been staged outside the offices of Merck.

  • Lori

    Except the dogs and fire hoses were actual attacks. The bad guy did something actually, viably bad. It wasn’t theater, it was real abuse in plain sight, 

    Unless the lawmakers targeted by the die in stood over the protesters rubbing their hands together and chortling like Simon Legree while loudly proclaiming, “I love it when a plan comes together” the protest was going to be rather lacking. It’s borrowed from leftist guerrilla activism, but borrowed poorly. Sort of like that Fox News “comedy” thing a few years back was a very bad rip-off of The Daily Show.  

    As you say, holding it in front of Merck would have been good theater, but the very things that would have made it good theater are the things that guaranteed that the Teas wouldn’t do it.  

  • True. Probably not the best example. I’ll try to unmuddle my cloudy thoughts and get to my point.

    The youth marching in Alabama was supposed to get a reaction, it was supposed to elicit some furious response from O’Connor and they got what they wanted. That much, as you point out, didn’t happen at the die-in. But it should have at least drawn attention to an actual evil.

    In the South, it was the violent refusal to allow Black men and women to participate in an actual form of democracy an ongoing firm of violence that supported and exasperated other forms of violence itself.

    With the Tea Party, they had no clue what they were protesting, so they had nothing left to do but pretend to die outside congressional chambers.

    So… I guess I’m agreeing, but I may need more coffee just to make sure…

  • hapax

    Thank you sharing your story, Katie.  That was very brave of you.

    I am so sorry for the pain you went through.  I am even sorrier that the stupid laws we were unable to stop made it worse.

  • Metal Lover

     A REALLY MANLY band would be a group like Judas Priest–which I grew up listening to.  You did not want to mess with Rob Halford when he came out.  LOL.

  • Termudgeon

    That sounds as if you’ve never heard the expression “mother-to-be.” Perhaps English is your second language?

  • Termudgeon

    No offense intended. You have some characteristics in your writing (sentence fragments, punctuation problems, insensitivity to tone, for example) that make you seem like a non-native speaker. I wondered if you might be unfamiliar with the expression “mother-to-be.” Were you?

  • Anonymous

    They also say that torturing people is bad, as well as ‘unjust war,’ and illegal detainment, and pedophilia, and sexual abuse.  I’ve not seen a lot of excommunications being flung about at politicians, though.

  • if there is a chance, a whisper of a chance, that that those 50 or 100 cells do make a person and it bears the Imago Dei, neither I, the insurance company nor the mother have a right to kill it


    If you believed women were human beings with rights to what happens to our own bodies, you would know what you wrote here was bullshit. You wrote it, however, therefore I must conclude that you don’t believe I’m a human being with the right to decide what happens to my own body. Therefore, as you have proven you do not believe I am a human being, and therefore will not listen to a word I say about what happens to my own body (something which CANNOT happen to your body), I will no longer bother reading a word you write.

    I award you no points, and if there is a God, may She have mercy on your soul. You need it.

  • Lori

    What’s telling is the deflection of the real issue in bringing something like that up.  


    Says the man who conflates contraception and abortion and tries to pretend that the application of employment law to a secular employer is an issue of religious freedom. 

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  • Katie

     Frank, you are an asshole.  If you are wondering why I am calling you an asshole, please read what I wrote  yesterday.

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to join the others thanking you for sharing your painful experience. I desperately hope your courage will help prevent other women from having to face the same obstacles.

  • Lunch Meat

    Sorry, Katie. You might have gotten through to Alan or some of the other posters, but you will never get through to this one because it doesn’t believe you or I are human. This troll is worth nothing but derision.

  • Parasum

    Civil divorce is allowed. What is not allowed, is Catholic marriage during the lifetime of the divorced spouse. So yup, they ought to object – if they are to be consistent. I don’t see the Evangelicals liking that much, if the bishops tried to insist everyone must follow the Catholic practice. The bishops are trying to cherry-pick the old pre-Vatican II position that “error (= any non-Catholic religion) has no rights”, and combine it with the Vatican II teaching on religious freedom. Sorry, won’t work. The resulting position is a hybrid monstrosity – like one of these Beasts from Revelation.

  • Parasum

    They need to kill Glaurung, Father of Dragons, to graduate to Ring-master – & to kill Glaurung, they need a coat of mithril. Absent the mithril-coat = no kill = no graduation = no turning the orcs (whoops, gays).

    D&D is much more fun Tolkienified. Now if Nick Carpathia tried conclusions with Gandalf, that might be worth reading about. Carpathia could respond with C. S. Lewis’ Deplorable Word (which is hugely destructive). 

  • Parasum

    From “The Way of All Flesh”, by Samuel Butler:

    “…Missionary work indeed in heathen countries was being carried on
    with some energy, but Theobald did not feel any call to be a
    missionary. Christina suggested this to him more than once, and
    assured him of the unspeakable happiness it would be to her to be
    the wife of a missionary, and to share his dangers; she and Theobald
    might even be martyred; of course they would be martyred
    simultaneously, and martyrdom many years hence as regarded from the
    arbour in the Rectory garden was not painful, it would ensure them a
    glorious future in the next world, and at any rate posthumous renown
    in this–even if they were not miraculously restored to life again–
    and such things had happened ere now in the case of martyrs.
    Theobald, however, had not been kindled by Christina’s enthusiasm,
    so she fell back upon the Church of Rome–an enemy more dangerous,
    if possible, than paganism itself. A combat with Romanism might
    even yet win for her and Theobald the crown of martyrdom. True, the
    Church of Rome was tolerably quiet just then, but it was the calm
    before the storm, of this she was assured, with a conviction deeper
    than she could have attained by any argument founded upon mere

    “We, dearest Theobald,” she exclaimed, “will be ever faithful. We
    will stand firm and support one another even in the hour of death
    itself. God in his mercy may spare us from being burnt alive. He
    may or may not do so. Oh Lord” (and she turned her eyes prayerfully
    to Heaven), “spare my Theobald, or grant that he may be beheaded.”

    “My dearest,” said Theobald gravely, “do not let us agitate
    ourselves unduly. If the hour of trial comes we shall be best
    prepared to meet it by having led a quiet unobtrusive life of self-
    denial and devotion to God’s glory. Such a life let us pray God
    that it may please Him to enable us to pray that we may lead.”

  • Parasum

    But do bears still do business in the woods ?