‘And we all lose ourselves in the end’

‘And we all lose ourselves in the end’ January 30, 2013

Why are there so many of me and so few of you?

“I learned that you did not submit the voucher to the accountant, and that you made reservations for 40,000 rupees and kept the remainder claiming you have a right to do so.”

Though Rice is 43, he’s a freshman. That means, theoretically, he could play another three seasons and become a 47-year-old senior.” (via John Fea)

“As the undertaker prepared her sister’s body just a few feet away, Ida Wood suddenly grew talkative. She said she had been a celebrated belle in the South and a prominent socialite in the North. Her husband was Benjamin Wood, the brother of Fernando Wood, former mayor of New York and perennial congressman. She had, despite her complaints to the bellhop, a good deal of cash stashed in her bedroom.”

“The Gospel of Mark was the first draft of a doctoral candidate’s dissertation. He submitted it to his adviser who suggested the need for more background information about Jesus’ birth, maybe some more teaching material, and a stronger ending. …”

“I’m weary of people saying God speaks directly to them about mundane matters of reasonable human choice, so that their choices of toothpaste and wallpaper are actually God’s choices. … I mean, if all this were really happening, wouldn’t these people be picking better stocks?

“Someone explain to Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia that if you call the head of state of your country a ‘Marxist dictator’ and you don’t get disappeared or just flat-out shot in the face in the public square for saying it … he’s probably not a Marxist dictator.”

“The first big church fight wasn’t about the doctrine of the Trinity or how to describe the person of Jesus. Those would come later. The first big argument was about racism.”

Something within me I cannot explain indeed.”

“Answer: Westboro makes signs.”

Killing a 39-year-old is still homicide in my book.”

“Or, as my mom used to say, priests need to be able to marry, so they can have at least one person in their lives who can tell them when they’€™re being an a–hole.”

‘I still feel bad about it,’ says Father Raftis, who is now a priest in Montana. ‘But I got Joe.'”

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  • Foreigner

    I daresay Rep Paul Broun would be quite happy with a Constitution that allowed citizens to freely vote for their nominated Republican candidate.

    (Is there anything in the Constitution that mandates free candidature?)

  • aunursa

    “The first big church fight wasn’t about the doctrine of the Trinity or how to describe the person of Jesus. Those would come later. The first big argument was about racism.”

     Jews are not taught that we are better than Gentiles or that God loves us more than He loves Gentiles.  We are taught that we are different from Gentiles, we have our own covenant with God with commandments that apply only to us.  But I’ve never heard of any rabbi or Jewish teacher spreading the message that Jews are superior to Gentiles.  (I wouldn’t be shocked if it turns out that this attitude exists among some Jews somewhere, but if so, it’s a rare attitude.)

    From where did this negative connotation of Chosen People derive?

  • “I learned that you did not submit the voucher to the accountant, and that you made reservations for 40,000 rupees and kept the remainder claiming you have a right to do so.”

    And even Al Qaeda has a problem with embezzlement it seems!

  • Jim Roberts

    My church likewise taught that Christians are different from non-Christians, with our own convenant with God and commandments that apply to only us, but not that we are superior to non-Christians. Nevertheless, no small number of the people I attend with believe exactly that, based on their actions. I don’t think it would’ve been radically different at the turning of the millennium.

  • OriginalExtraCrispy

    This isn’t relevant to any of these existing links, but I thought you’d find it interesting that Jerry Jenkins just started a Christian self-publishing company. http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/religion/article/55728-jerry-jenkins-launches-self-publishing-company.html

  • aunursa

    Interesting signs in that last link…


    Pink robes and hoods … nice touch.

    CHURCH st>>
    << GAY st

    Here's another one … without the connector.

  • interleaper

    “What if I made it pink?” —Another one of Og’s ideas, no doubt.

  • John (not McCain)

    Yeah, where would anybody get the idea that people who refer to themselves as the “Chosen People” think they are superior to anybody?

  • LL

    That story about the decades-long game of tag is quite amusing (the link that references Father Raftis). 

  • aunursa

    Yeah, where would anybody get the idea that people who refer to themselves as the “Chosen People” think they are superior to anybody?

    Why is it assumed that “Chosen” means superior?  In fact “Chosen” doesn’t mean superior.  It means that the Jews were chosen by God for a purpose.  From where did this idea that the Jews considered ourselves superior arise?

    And according to the Christian Bible, God is the one who introduced the idea that the Jews are the Chosen People.  At least for Christians, it shouldn’t be a matter of the Jews arrogantly bestowing that title on ourselves, but of God declaring it so…

    Exodus 19:3-6
    Deuteronomy 14:1-2

  • Dear god, his crapitude is self-replicating now.

  • Cathy W

    I’m not sure if it’s amusing or horrifying, or maybe both? Two of the men were quoted as saying, “I felt bad, but…”

  • Wasn’t there that joke back in 1960: Vote for the Kennedy of your choice, but vote!
    Of course there were at least three to choose from back then.

  • Water_Bear

    It’s not a big intuitive leap between “the creator of the universe and source of morality thinks we’re special, speaks only to us, told us not to mix too much with outsiders, and gave us a nice plot of land with promises of more to come” and “we’re better than these other non-Chosen people.” If you’ve ever been to Muncy (or any other big Hasidic enclave) you can feel that attitude especially fiercely; even most of my Conservative Jewish friends don’t like to hang out there, because even with a kipot you get the looks.

    (Of course, none of that is to imply that Jewish people are somehow uniquely, or even abnormally, racist and ethnocentric. On the contrary, from my personal experience at least they’re exactly as racist and ethnocentric as everyone else.)

    The Christian and Muslim senses that Jewish people are “arrogant” seems to come more from the idea that they won’t convert; it’s hard to keep the idea that your faith is self-evidently right when scholars very familiar with the supposed prophecies in the Torah see you as a pretender. Not to mention it’s difficult to be a successor to a group which is still around, a line of thought which has had some rather nasty consequences.

  • Chosenness, regardless of its interpreted meaning by the person or persons claiming to be chosen, implies specialness by definition.

  • aunursa

    That’s true.  Many Jews do believe that Jews are special — that God has a different relationship with us than He has with non-Jews.  But many Christians seem to believe that as Christians, they have a special relationship with God.  And I suspect that it’s true of many religions —  the adherents consider themselves special — because they alone have the full and complete “truth;” because as true believers or followers, they have a unique standing with the divine; or some similar reason.

  • The old joke about Jews being the chosen people has a Rabbi asking God “I know we’re the chosen people, but sometimes…could you choose someone else?”

  • mcc

    Osama Bin Laden was a business student and the fact that he brought modern administrative practices to a terrorist group has been examined by a number of writers.

  • Jessica_R

    From the Church Sign Epic Win department, good advice! http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/01/church-sign-of-day_29.html#disqus_thread

  • I do hope it’s not because Tyndale made him do too much editing and revision…

  • Gently Feral

     Nice! Google-fu shows that Wantagh Memorial is a real church, too, and they have a history of that kind of thing.

  • Hexep

    Yes, but one can simply become a Christian; it’s a good deal more complicated to become a Jew. Perhaps alone among the great faiths of the world, it denies the missionary impulse that so motivates the rest of the world’s religions.

  • Jessica_R

    And from the They Will Know We Are Christians From How We Treat The Waitstaff Like Crap, http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/01/gone-viral-on-reddit.html#disqus_thread

  • David Starner

     So do the Zoroastrians; which goes a long way to explaining why there aren’t many left. I don’t know how hard conversions to Hinduism  are, but the Hindus aren’t a missionary faith either.

  • Hexep

    True, but to be fair, there isn’t just ‘a’ Hinduism that expresses itself monolithically; it’s a tremendous mosaic of activities and practices. Some might turn outsiders away, but others might welcome all comers. 

  • Water_Bear

    On the other hand, how much does Hinduism need missionaries? They’ve had the better part of a subcontinent for millenia, and it’s not like they’re having problems putting asses in the pews (or pew-equivalents… I know very little about Hindu Temples). They might need carpenters for all the new seats, and hopefully some contraceptive-obtainers…

  • David Starner

     I’m not sure how there isn’t a Hinduism in any way that does mean there isn’t an Islam and isn’t a Christianity. Huge religions are huge.

  • David Starner

     How much does Christianity need missionaries, by the same standards? Need doesn’t seem to be involved; some nations, and some societies, seem to have a desire to go and spread the good news as they see it. Christians are big into it, and Buddhists and Muslims at least historically were.

  • Tricksterson

    At least some parts of the Bible would lead one to believe that Yaweh had Chosen the Jews as his favorite chew toy.

  • Tricksterson

    Among the great monotheistic faiths perhaps.  Neither Hinduism nor Buddhism is nearly as conversion driven as Christianity or Islam.

  • Joshuas

    I think a lot of modern missionary work by Westerners in developing countries is done as more of a form of entertainment. 

    I don’t mean this in a spiteful way, but I can’t imagine that sending a bunch of college kids to a randomly-selected country in Africa for 3 months is really accomplishing anything in terms of spreading awareness of Christianity (even if that were needed) or helping people there.

    I’m sure there are a lot of better-run and more productive missions out there, both in Christianity and other evangelical religions, but those other kinds — the ones that are more like smarmy vacations than work — are the ones I tend to hear about more often.

  • EllieMurasaki

    The kids get to feel like they’ve Helped People and like they’ve Done Good. Never mind that the people they built houses for were fine with their living situation, didn’t want sloppily constructed houses, and if they were to get help would have preferred the money used for the building materials to be distributed as portable water purification systems or cash. (Real-life example. I think it was a church youth group mission to Mexico, but I forget.)

  • I don’t ever listen to the music on these posts, since I don’t have speakers on my computer.  As a result, every time I read the title of this post, I hear “and we all lose ourselves in the end” sung to the tune of “and we all lose our charms in the end,” from “Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend.”

  • Hexep

    And tautological religions are tautological. But the Islamic and Christian communities have, with a few outliers, a continuous history of authority and connectivity. They are connected to their mythic founders by teachers and documents, and even as they divide into different sects, these sects claim legitimacy over one another based on either varying interpretation of the same documents or by varying connection to the same teachers and founders.

    On the contrary, there’s neither a single ‘Hindu Caliph’ today, nor has there ever been, nor has there ever been a figure who could be considered such. Nor is there a principle document, nor is there even a complete set of principle documents, to which all could agree.  Hinduism, as a modern phenomenon to which one says one belongs, is as much a political creation as it is a genuine theological one, as a means to bind together the non-Muslim peoples of India.

    If there is such a single religion as ‘Hinduism,’ then it possesses more diversity among its followers than, perhaps, do all the remainder of the world’s great faiths put together. It is for that reason that I say there is no such thing as ‘a’ Hinduism, any more than there is ‘a’ Abrahamism, to which all Jews, Christians, and Muslims might belong.

  • Hexep

    At one time, we Buddhists were, but that was many aeons ago. Our religion thrives among people whose ancestors were evangelized to it, but has almost disappeared among the people who invented it…

  • Hexep

    Can’t they throw some four-letter words (six-letter words in Spanish?) and tell the invaders to leave?

  • EllieMurasaki

    I gave you all the details I got. Maybe they tried and it didn’t take?

  • Carstonio

    Before reading the Heresy of Racism piece, I had assumed that the Peter/Paul conflict was merely a power struggle between rival factions in the early church, like the Shia/Sunni split in Islam. It didn’t occur to me to see the Peter position as racist – I thought the Paul position was simply about evangelizing to non-Jews.

  • Carstonio


    The Christian and Muslim senses that Jewish people are “arrogant” seems
    to come more from the idea that they won’t convert; it’s hard to keep
    the idea that your faith is self-evidently right when scholars very
    familiar with the supposed prophecies in the Torah see you as a

    That’s probably a big part of it. I suspect the other part is emotional and psychological. In my experience, Jewish minorities have striven to preserve their traditions and their community ties, instead of assimilating into the larger society Many non-Jews might take that personally, wrongly viewing that as a rejection. If so, that’s their problem and it’s not the fault of the Jewish minorities for wanting to preserve their identity.

    Aside – I know several couples where a Jewish man has married a non-Jewish woman, but have never met the reverse although it obviously does happen. I don’t know if that’s typical or simply a coincidence.

  • Hexep

    At least one Jewish woman I went to college with has married a gentile, according to a brief scan of the ol’ Facebook.

  • Carstonio

    Since I’m not Jewish I would probably stay out of such a discussion anyway, except to defend the general principle of freedom to choose a spouse regardless of ethnicity or religion or gender.

  • Hexep

    Ahh, but would you silently spectate it?

  • Tricksterson

    True, I should have added “any more” in the case of Buddhism.  But, and correct me if I’m wrong, even when it was a proseletyzing religion it didn’t do so with fire and sword attached which Christianity and Islam (and in the case of some versions of Islam still and the Dominionist version of Christianity would if they could) most certainly did

  • Hexep

    I maintain that this is because we didn’t have any fire and swords to spare, or because of Ashoka’s personality, but you are correct – the missionaries that left Ashoka’s India did so in solitude, without the help of soldiers or conquistadors.

    They even reached as far as Albania, though they never got to Rome. It’s for that reason – that Buddhist missionaries were firmly planted all throughout Alexander’s successor states – that I feel Westerners can practice this religion freely.

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