A grove of aspen trees that proves Ken Ham is full of it

A grove of aspen trees that proves Ken Ham is full of it February 4, 2013

Meet Pando, also called the Trembling Giant. It’s a single grove of quaking aspen trees in Utah.

Photo by Will Scullin, snitched from treehugger.com.

The grove is “essentially one massive root system” containing “around 47,000 stems that create the grove of trees that keep the root system going.”

And it has been growing, continuously, for 80,000 years.

The Pando aspen grove, in other words, began growing 74,000 years before young-earth creationists like Ken Ham say the universe began.

So you can study legitimate biblical scholars and learn from them that Ken Ham is full of crap and that his “Answers in Genesis” are based on recent, illiterate misreadings of the Bible.

Or you can go to Utah and stand in the shade of trees that prove it.

Pando is in Fishlake National Forest, near Richfield. It’s less than a three-hour drive south of Salt Lake City.

If Ken Ham or Al Mohler or Denny Burk or any other prominent advocate of pseudo-biblical young-earth creationism wanted to, they could book a flight to Salt Lake City, rent a car, and drive to Fishlake. There they could rent a cabin and spend a relaxing vacation walking among the beautiful trees — trees they can see and touch and smell — that stand as proof that their exegesis is nonsense and must be changed.

I suspect they don’t want to do that, but they should. The price of a trip to Utah is a lot cheaper than the price of spending the rest of your life promoting ideas that can be, and have been, disproved.

(See also, Michael C. Grant, “The Trembling Giant.”)


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  • Tricksterson

    Thing is not that they believe weird and counterintuitive things but that they seek to impose those beliefs on society at large.  Hell, I believe myself to be a troll and that gods speak to me but I don’t expect anyone else to believe it and I allow for the possibility that I’m just plain cuckoo.

  • YetAnotherKevin

    Re: Puget Sound.  I know this is a late reply, but I hope you get this.


    Lots of other interesting stuff at that site too.

  • L Gregory

     Admittedly true, but trust me, however much cash they’re making, they’re losing more of more important stuff. Like brain cells.

  • Carstonio

    To add to Tricksterson’s point, creationism is a First Amendment issue. For a public school to teach creationism as science is unconstitutional, because it amounts to sectarian religious doctrine. Kitzmiller v. Dover. But there’s no problem with the school teaching about various religions’ creation stories in a class devoted to comparative religions.

  • Tricksterson

    Except I would assume RTCs would object to other religions vuiewpoints being taught (except Jews and then only as a precursor to Christianity since that’s the only reason to keep them around) as trying to impose those views on them.

  • Carstonio

    While most religious groups would object, the difference with RTCs is that they don’t believe neutrality exists when it comes to religion. In their minds, the only alternative to them imposing their religion on others through the schools is their pseudo-atheistic straw man of secular humanism being imposed on them.

  • Jenny Islander

    I think it’s time for a repost of this:


    “The profoundest act of worship/Is to try to understand.”

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    “fossil rabbit in the Precambrian”.

     One I saw in a comic-book and liked is “A T. Rex fossil that choked to death on a H. Sapiens.”

    (That was due to a Time travel accident, though.)

  • EllieMurasaki

    Reading Bart Ehrman would be Educational for those types. He used to be one of them, and the research he did into the original Bible manuscripts is why he no longer is. Which is why they won’t dare touch anything with his name on, I’m sure.

  • Tricksterson

    IMHGO this cannot be posted too often.  I love it both as song and philosophy.