In Politics, There Are No Heroes

In Politics, There Are No Heroes September 8, 2018

It seems I have written so many of these pieces over the last three years. In fact, I’ve been sounding the warning bell about Donald Trump from the moment I saw him descend on that gaudy, gold escalator at Trump Tower, to announce he’d be running for the presidency in June 2015.

I knew who Trump was, and honestly, I had no real problem with him, through the years.

Why would I? He was just another B-list personality, at best. He wasn’t a threat to me.

What’s interesting to me now is all the friends from New York and New Jersey who have more real world knowledge of Donald Trump and his corrupt business practices. To them, he’s not the goofy reality TV huckster. There is a considerable amount of dirt and scumbaggery attached to the name of Trump. Citizens from around New York City and New Jersey’s Atlantic City area had and have a front row seat to who Trump is.

As we progressed through the primary season, the entire nation got a good look at who Trump was and how a President Trump might govern.

He was ignorant of details, making a mockery of every debate. He was hateful and abusive to those who asked questions of him, as well as fellow candidates, taking the lowest of every low road in attacking them.

When he became the nominee, besting a host of much better, much more qualified candidates (and definitely more stable), it was a nightmare.

What I expected to happen afterwards was a backlash from devoted, principled conservatives, who recognized that Donald Trump would not only damage the party, but would trash conservatism for ages to come.

As neither a moral, nor a just man, Donald Trump is incapable of being a moral or just leader.

What I saw, to my dismay, was conservative after conservative, in both media and politics, pledging their fealty to this horrific clown, simply because he was the party’s nominee.

I get it. Hillary Clinton was a nightmare. She is corrupt. She should not have even been in the running and making her the nominee was a major goof on the part of the DNC.

That doesn’t make Trump better. It doesn’t make an abandonment of principles and sanity the only option.

At some point, I had really hoped that those principled members of the GOP would have banded together and worked to thwart the ruin of not only the party, but of our nation.

Nobody had the guts. It’s not about the nation. It’s not about conservatism. It’s apparently about being one of the “Big Two” and holding on to that power, no matter what principles must be bent, in the process.

If 2016 and the subsequent time since has taught me anything, it’s not to make heroes out of men. They will all let you down.

And speaking of political heroes, for many years, mine has been former Texas Governor Rick Perry – now Trump’s energy secretary.

I was a devoted supporter from 2011, forward. I was so deeply impressed with the successes Perry had as executive over the 12th largest economy in the world.

He was a success in Texas. He knew how to run an economy. He knew the border and had a solid plan for border security. His flat tax plan sounded solid. As a veteran, himself, he understood the needs of our nation’s vets and has been a tireless advocate for their best interests.

I didn’t care about his “oops” moment in the run for the presidency in 2012. I knew his record. That was enough, and far too much has been made of a single debate slip.

I was thrilled when he got back on his horse and gave it another shot in 2016. After eight years of Obama, Rick Perry was the leader we needed.

Unfortunately, an overcrowded field and the pent-up anger of the right purged any semblance of common sense from the running.

Still, the most heroic moment of the entire 2016 election season came in July 2015, with the primary season still evolving and the GOP bench exploding with talent. And Trump.

Perry, while speaking about the benefits of conservatism for economic growth to an audience at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel in D.C., he turned his words on Trump, coining the phrase “Trumpism,” and perfectly describing the dangers to come for the conservative movement.

But when Perry shifted from policy to Donald Trump, his staid speech turned passionate. “He offers a barking carnival act that can be best described as ‘Trumpism,’” Perry said of the real-estate mogul. “A toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense that will lead the Republican Party to perdition if pursued.”

“Let no one be mistaken,” Perry said. “Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised, and discarded.”

“I, for one, will not be silent when a candidate for the high office of the president runs under the Republican banner by targeting millions of Hispanics, and our veterans, with mean-spirited vitriol,” he said.

“This is not new in America,” he said, recalling how the Know-Nothing movement of the 1840s scapegoated Irish and German immigrants. “These people built nothing, created nothing,” Perry said. “They existed to cast blame and tear down certain institutions. To give outlet to anger. Donald Trump is the modern-day incarnation of the know-nothing movement.”

He was right. He was so very right.

Sadly, Perry left the race several months after this fiery speech.

It broke my heart. He was the most qualified to lead, but the first to leave, after failing to get the traction needed to effectively compete.

I continued to hope and pray for some way to save the party and the nation from the nightmare that was unfolding.

Fast forward to today. There was no white-hatted hero to ride in and save us from the scourge of Trumpism. As a result, we’ve endured scandals and embarrassment. Those of us who care about conservatism and saving this nation have lived on the edge of our seats, dreading the tweet that starts a major conflict, groaning in our guts over tariffs that are already hurting American workers, and wondering what has happened to the collective spine of the GOP.

For Christians (I mean actual Christians, not those who see politics and access to power as their religion), we’ve seen Trump’s continued abusiveness, heard of his adulteries and watched the party circle the wagons around him. We’ve watched evangelical “leaders” cheer the man on and claim him as one of our own, when there is nothing in his life to suggest he is. They damage their Christian witness to the world, forgetting that our duty is to our God first, to the Great Commission of winning souls, not to any political party or president.

And with every new scandal, every new outrage, we watch those we admired fall, compliant to Trump’s whims.

Today’s outrage is the recent op-ed, supposedly written by a senior White House official and printed in The New York Times.

The op-ed confirms rumored concerns of an inept, incompetent, unhinged Trump. A rank novice with poor impulse control and the nuclear codes in his possession.

The writer of the op-ed is no hero. This person admits that there was a point where staff members considered the 25th Amendment to remove Trump last year, before even a year in office was complete. A Yale psychiatrist even admitted that members of Trump’s staff reached out to her because Trump’s behavior was scaring them.

The author went on to say that rather than attempting to use the 25th Amendment to remove him, members of Trump’s Cabinet are working around him, using tricks and subterfuge to thwart his more destructive impulses.

Meanwhile, one-by-one, members of Trump’s Cabinet and staff are coming forward to dutifully state that they did not write the op-ed.

Yes. I absolutely believe Trump is requiring these people to come forward and emphatically state their innocence, while also lambasting the writer of the op-ed.

Be sure to toss in there how smart, and totally not a slow-witted con Trump is, as well.

And Rick Perry is right there in the mix, doing his first duty – fluffing Trump.

What happened to you?

Everybody seems more interested in finding out who wrote the op-ed than they are what the op-ed says. I think maybe that should be the first concern.

Still, Rick Perry’s full embrace of Trumpism, the cancerous blotch on the face of conservatism that he once so strongly decried is a letdown.

Trump has not grown into his position. He has not become a better person, spurred by purpose to learn and elevate his knowledge, in order to be the best possible representative of the American ideal that he could be.

He has used his position to alienate our allies and empower our enemies.

He has used his position to target private businesses and the innovators who have known more success in their careers (without Russian mob money to keep them afloat), even to the point of threatening the free market.

He has disrespected our Constitution by attacking the First Amendment, through disparaging the press, the right to protest, and attempting to interfere in the function of Christian churches by encouraging them to become campaign headquarters.

He has done all these things. He continues to prove himself unworthy of the office he holds, and too few have the stomach to stand up to him. Their careers apparently mean more.

I expected more out of Governor Perry. I thought he was a true believer in conservatism, and not another party hack.

After his Trumpism speech, it really seemed he was ready to face the consequences like a true warrior.

But when asked about the politics behind the onslaught — and whether his continuous attacks may be inadvertently strengthening Trump attacks — Perry was unmoved. “I’m not particularly concerned about that,” he said. “I’m concerned about standing up for what I believe in, and what I know the Republican Party stands for. Mr. Trump is going to have to defend his statements.”

What do you stand for? What do you believe in?

I thought I knew, at one point.

I must now admit to my wide-eyed naivete for so many years. I wanted to believe. I wanted heroes.

In politics, there are none. I won’t be fooled again.

 

 

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  • mersey

    Another excellent commentary Susan. As a Catholic, I draw a parallel between the Bishops in the church who remained silent and did nothing when they knew of pedophilia with many of the priests. The GOP is doing the exact same thing with Donald Trump. They know Trump is unfit for office and a danger to our republic, but they remain silent and let it continue to happen. This is all down to money and power. The GOP is mentally weak. Only a massive purge of the membership will change the course of history. The sad thing is, once Trump is out of office, all of the cowards will then come forward to tell us how bad Trump was for the country and their party. I hope it falls on deaf ears.

  • IllinoisPatriot

    Some were fooled by Rick Perry. Some by Ted Cruz. Some by Marco Rubio. Some were fooled by Dr. Ben Carson.

    Many were conned by Donald Trump. Out of that lot, only Donald Trump had the benefit of complicit news media giving him free air-time, televising his rallies and unlimited interviews. Only Donald Trump had the benefit of hundreds of Russian advertisements and social media accounts singing his praises.

    This does not excuse the betrayals of the Rick Perrys, Ted Cruzes, Marco Rubios or the Ben Carsons in the GOP as they sacrificed their principles to retain their seats of power within the GOP.

    Ben Sasse is now admitting that he has considered leaving the GOP. If he shows up in the Federalist Party as a candidate can he be trusted to represent the Federalist Party as a true conservative knowing what we know now ? Could Ted Cruz ? Could Marco Rubio ? Rick Perry ? Dr Carson ?

    I don’t see how.

    I will join with Susan in my vow to myself and to my country that I will not be conned by the words of a politician again and will never again vote for a candidate for ANY position just because of the party they belong to. They will have to demonstrate their principles – and not just on fair and sunny days, but under pressure where there ideals and principles are truly tested.

  • IllinoisPatriot

    … once Trump is out of office, all of the cowards will then come forward to tell us how bad Trump was for the country and their party. I hope it falls on deaf ears.

    Agreed 100%. I also suspect that they when they DO come forward, they will be full of excuses and never-before publicized acts of “extreme patriotism” about how they stood up to Trump, defending the Constitution, blah, blah ,blah….

    My fear is that some of them will recognize the GOP’s death spiral and will jump ship to what will soon (hopefully) be a growing party (Federalist Party) where they will attempt to infiltrate and ingratiate themselves into the hierarchy and leadership positions due to their “experience” with holding federal office. I hope that THESE people and attempts to infiltrate the Federalist Party also falls on deaf ears…..

  • Ellen Elmore

    Thanks Susan for another well though out commentary. I agree with all of it. But it makes me sad. I was a lifelong Republican and have never voted for a Democrat. I could not vote for Trump (or Hillary) because voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil. I am SO disappointed in the former conservative candidates who have jumped on the Trump train. They willingly compromised their principles just to stay in power. I will never trust them again. I was a Ted Cruz supporter from before he announced his candidacy. At the RNC convention he told us to vote our conscience. Then he changed his mind and decided to support Trump. From that moment on I knew I could never trust Cruz again. It is a big disappointment. I would love to support the Federalist Party if they get a candidate with principles, morals and integrity to run on their ticket.

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    Good call.

  • Polarbearpapa

    Sen. Sasse has maintained his opposition to Trump…all the others listed above have sold out to Trumpism…

    He could be a good candidate of the future…Lincoln was a Whig would became a Republican …

    I will not trust in men again …but will not cut off my nose to spite my face either…

  • JASmius

    Rick Perry’s apparent fall to the Dark Side reflects, I think, how phony-baloney, plastic banana, performance art, kabuki theater party primary campaigns are and have long been. Nomination rivals blast each other senseless, beat each other with tire irons, depict each other as the “end of the party” if they get the nod, and after one of them eventually does become party standard-bearer, everybody closes ranks, pledges fealtous support, and march forward together, the primary season vitriol forgotten. Did the spewers believe their own vitriol, even at the time? Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. But the dire warnings they uttered paled in comparison to the power to be attained, or leeched off of for those candidates who didn’t make the cut.

    The difference in 2016 in the GOP is that the motions-going-through-ing of primary season embodied by Governor Perry’s warning about Trump was heart-attack serious and prophetic, whether Dubya’s successor in Austin realized it or not. This was a foreign organism invading the Republican body politic, a parasitic entity affecting a hostile systemic takeover, intent on re-writing its culturoideological DNA. We thought it was a joke and a lark, and it was, except that far too many reactionaries posing as “conservatives” were in on the joke. The same vetting process whose absence in the Democrat Party leading to the Obama cataclysm we spent eight years lamenting didn’t just collapse in the GOP as well but was actively burned down by the MAGAmaniacs. And the Republican “establishment,” incapable of thinking outside “business as usual” mode and believing that Trump would drop the schtick and settle down to become a normal, conventional candidate – despite forty-plus years on the national stage proving diametrically otherwise – obliviously followed precedent and closed ranks behind Cheeto Caesar once he had the nomination in hand. But he didn’t settle down; so the Republican “establishment” assured themselves that he had no chance of winning that November. But he did. Next the Republican “establishment” thought, “Surely now that he’s been elected, he’ll put “Celebrity Apprentice” on hiatus for four years and get serious.

    But he didn’t, still hasn’t, and never will. Which explains every jot and tittle of “Fire and Fury” a year ago, and Bob Woodward’s book and the anonymous New York Times op-ed this very week. And nobody knows what to do about it, because this is one of those things that is considered “unthinkable,” the stuff of political thriller novels that could never, ever happen in real life. But now it has, and there may be no way out of it except through the (hopefully metaphorical) fire. Sure, there are constitutional remedies if proven necessary, but American political culture has so bipartisanly deteriorated that there will never be the public consensus (an extinct concept) to apply them. Why else do you suppose Trump’s Cabinet didn’t pursue the 25th Amendment option? Trump would simply blow his stack and would never consent to legitimate mental examination, and congressional Republicans, utterly terrified of #Cult45, would never back the necessary two-thirds vote to remove him, any more than they’ll ever vote for conviction in an eventual impeachment trial.

    It’s as I’ve written before: God help us, we’re stuck with Donald Trump for another two-plus years, with all the hazards and dangers that encompasses. You might say that the one-two punch of the Obamidency and Trumpidency is God’s judgment upon America for its bipartisan sins. It’s just a shame that we have to be dragged along for the insufferable roller coaster ride.

  • Polarbearpapa

    Good article Susan…

    .let us not be fooled again…

    This is why the Lord says to us in Ephesians 5 ..

    6 Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.

    7 Don’t participate in the things these people do.

    8 For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light!

    9 For this light within you produces only what is good and right and true.

    10 Carefully determine what pleases the Lord.

    11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.

    12 It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret.

    13 But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them, 14 for the light makes everything visible. This is why it is said,

    “Awake, O sleeper,

    rise up from the dead,

    and Christ will give you light.”

  • Marcion

    If conservative voters and politicians have all abandoned their supposed principles and pledged their fealty to Donald Trump, maybe that says something about conservatives?

  • Marcion

    Is Trump really a foreign organism invading the Republican party? Back in 2011, Principled Anti-Trump Conservative Ben Shapiro thought he would be a pretty good candidate:

    Is Donald Trump the best Republican candidate for president out there? It would be tough to argue otherwise. He’s got all the makings of a breakout star; he’s got bravado and the cash to back it up. If he really runs, he won’t have any trouble finding supporters. And as he puts it, he is the Obama administration’s “worst nightmare.” So far, who can argue with him?
    https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2011/04/13/the-magic-of-donald-trump-n1395003

    As early as 2012, establishment Republicans thought he was important enough to seek his endorsement:

    Celebrity business magnate Donald Trump endorsed Mitt Romney for president Thursday, telling reporters he will not mount an independent campaign if Romney is the Republican nominee.

    Trump, who has repeatedly flirted with the possibility of his own White House bid, revealed his decision in Las Vegas two days before Nevada’s Saturday caucuses.

    “It’s my honor, real honor, to endorse Mitt Romney,” Trump said, with Romney and his wife standing nearby. Calling Romney “tough” and “smart,” Trump said, “he’s not going to continue to allow bad things to happen to this country.”

    Romney responded by praising Trump for “an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works and to create jobs” and for being “one of the few who has stood up to say China is cheating” in international trade.
    https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/02/politics/campaign-wrap/index.html

    The Republican Party has spent years carefully cultivating the voters who would become Trump’s core constituency. The truth is that Trump is just the logical conclusion of conservative politics.

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    I dont believe real conservatives of principle have.
    I’m a conservative. I havent. I’m not alone, either.

  • IllinoisPatriot

    Let’s see if his opposition to Trump folds before 2020…. (or even before the 2018 midterms). My faith in ANY GOP politician at this time is low.

    If Sen Sasse is truly conservative, and considering leaving, that may be his test: will he leave the GOP for the Federalist Party with the Federalist Party not yet a sure winning ticket ? Or will he continue in the GOP hoping to keep his seat of power ?

    If he stays with the GOP until it becomes politically advantageous to leave or until the Federalist Party starts showing more promise than the GOP for political futures of incumbent politicians, then I say he’s taking no risk for his claim to principle, but doing whatever he can to maximize retaining his position of power.

    If he jumps ship at his next re-election opportunity, then he may be for real or he may simply be trying to be the “big fish in a small pond” in a party he feels may give him a better chance to be on the general-election ballot where he can compete against both Dem & GOP. In that case I still don’t know whether he can be trusted simply because of his years in the GOP. At that point it would come down to his voting record, Liberty Score, and personal / ethical / character history as to whether I could vote for him. In other words, he starts out with the taint of Trumpism and GOP history on him and must wash of that stench with the cleansing waters of ethical behavior and kept political promises (including refraining from making promises he cannot keep such as “I am the only one that can _________”).

  • Marcion

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

    Trump has an 85% approval rating among Republicans, and your average Republican politician votes with him around 90% of the time. Conservatives love Daddy Trump. Trumpism and conservatism are the same thing now. #NeverTrump holdouts are more or less just irrelevant media people at this point. Why do you think the vast majority of the conservative movement is so willing to embrace Trump?

  • Polarbearpapa

    It’s all a wait and see kinda deal…we don’t want closet Repugs sneaking into the new Party as they did with the Tea Party …

    The chance of an unknown(or a local pol) rising thru the ranks of a brand new party and being an effective candidate for potus is slim to none…

    That was why the New Republican party recruited men from the Whigs who were a known commodity..thereby having some recognition to run on…

  • mersey

    I don’t even know what the definition of a conservative is anymore. I think at one time I did, but I know my thought process is nothing like a Trumper. Maybe the definition needs rewritten or a new term for folks like most of us here needs developed. But if people like Trump, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin and so on are conservatives…..nope, I’m not one.

  • IllinoisPatriot

    Are there any Republicans that we would WANT as candidates in the Federalist Party ? Any at all with the demonstrated backbone or principles to stand up to the corruption in DC ?

    I once believed the HFC stood for conservative principles. Not any more.

    I cannot think of even one Republican that I would trust today with the possible exception of Mike Lee.

    I used to believe Ted Cruz or Mike Lee may be the exception that proves your position correct, but that was before Cruz sold out to Trumpism. Mike Lee is keeping his head down. I cannot get a recent read on him, but last I heard he appeared to be veering toward the dark side. I’ve not heard anything from or about him in a while other than that he was on a list for consideration to the USSC but clearly was non-selected. I know Mike Lee once had impressive conservative principles and credentials (if not the fire in the belly to actually fight aggressively for his beliefs). I do not know for certain whether he has continued to stand by his principles in the age of Trumpism or if he has sold out.

  • IllinoisPatriot

    Take whatever polls you want. As long as people are self-identifying as “conservative”, they could be Russian agents and no one would know differently.

    I know of no polling that gives a reference definition of “conservative”, so the numbers you quote include the “social conservative/fiscally liberals”, the “fiscal conservative/socially progressive”, the “compassionate conservatives”, the “Trump conservatives”, and all the variations of hyphenated conservatives that the poll can shove into the category.

    Like “evangelical” that includes those believing in gay marriage and gender fluidity and abortion, the term “conservative” when allowed to self-identify without definition is meaningless.

    Most of us here have a fixed, strict, unwavering, absolute definition of “conservative”. If you have to ask what it is, you clearly don’t understand the definition and are not one.

  • IllinoisPatriot

    You’re confusing “conservative politics” with “GOP politics”. The two have been parting ways for decades, until “GOP Politics” made a hard U-turn in 2016 when they climbed in bed with the hundreds of Russian companies that have since been kicked off Twitter, Facebook and Google and subverted their own convention to select Trump as the nominee.

  • AJ

    I used to feel as Susan about Rick Perry, but the moment he pledged fealty to Trump, I knew this day was inevitable.

    I used to listen to Sean Hannity. During the time one of his employees was getting married, I noticed a change in him. A BAD change. Then I realized he’d been changing a little here and there before this period. He once purported to having morals, values, swore very little, seemed concerned about things put out over the air waves on his show because kids could be listening, etc. But then I noticed he was swearing more, less concerned about the potty “humor” and ribald discourse had between him and his staff on the air, etc. And then, during the engagement—a time for any girl that should be happy as she’s nearing her big day—he acted less as a boss and friend and more as a spurned lover—to the point that her own family was happy he wasn’t going to the wedding! He just kept getting worse. Within the year, I stopped listening.

    Fast forward to this past election when I learned that, during that time, Sean Hannity had become friends with Donald Trump. The same was true for Rush, et al. Though I’d decided not to vote for Trump early on, as the campaign wore on, I began hearing how these people I once respected and liked had all become friendly with Trump. I knew it was no coincidence.

    I figured out then that, the closer one gets to Trump, the worst that person will become. And it doesn’t seem to fail. Talk-show hosts who were avidly against Trump in the beginning but who decided to vote for him simply because they didn’t want Hillary to win, slowly began to change in terms of values, morals, beliefs, etc. Just by voting for the man! It’s odd. Affinity with Trump changes an individual, little by little. Just as the ripples that occur when you toss a pebble into the water, the closer one gets to the man (the pebble in the center), the more that person changes—for the worst.

    (A couple other examples would be two hosts on Fox’s “The Five.” One seemed to be a very devout Catholic family man. One seemed to have her head on straight. Then I learned that they were friends of Trump’s, and, having already formed my hypothesis, I waited for the other shoes to drop. Sure enough, they did.)

    So, when Perry said he was signing up with Team Trump, I knew this day would come. You just can’t seem to remain untouched by his corruption if you align yourself to him. Maybe it’s a spiritual thing. Maybe it’s the adage about that one rotten apple, coming true. I don’t know what it is, but, as I said, it doesn’t fail. Or, to be fair, I guess I should say that, for those I’ve come across, it hasn’t failed.

    So, though it’s sad to see Perry devolve, it was bound to happen. When it comes to Trump, it always seems to.

  • Donalbain

    She is corrupt

    Citation needed

  • Here is what one prominent leader of America’s 2nd Awakening had to say regarding Christianity and politics. Quite the contrast to what is being preached today.

    Excerpt from Charles Finney’s Lectures on Revivals of Religion (1835)

    The church must take right ground in regard to politics. Do not suppose, now, that I am going to preach a political sermon, or that I wish to have you join and get up a Christian party in politics. No, I do not believe in that. But the time has come that Christians must vote for honest men, and take consistent ground in politics, or the Lord will curse them. They must be honest men themselves, and instead of voting for a man because he belongs to their party, Bank or Anti-Bank, Jackson, or Anti-Jackson, they must find out whether he is honest and upright, and fit to be trusted. They must let the world see that the church will uphold no man in office, who is known to be a knave, or an adulterer, or a Sabbath-breaker, or a gambler. Such is the spread of intelligence and the facility of communication in our country, that every man can know for whom he gives his vote. And if he will give his vote only for honest men, the country will be obliged to have upright rulers. All parties will be compelled to put up honest men as candidates. Christians have been exceedingly guilty in this matter. But the time has come when they must act differently. As on the subject of slavery and temperance, so on this subject, the church must act right or the country will be ruined. God cannot sustain this free and blessed country, which we love and pray for, unless the church will take right ground. Politics are a part of religion in such a country as this, and Christians must do their duty to the country as a part of their duty to God. It seems sometimes as if the foundations of the nation were becoming rotten, and Christians seem to act as if they thought God did not see what they do in politics. But I tell you, he does see it, and he will bless or curse this nation, according to the course they take.

  • “I get it. Hillary Clinton was a nightmare. She is corrupt. She should not have even been in the running and making her the nominee was a major goof on the part of the DNC.

    That doesn’t make Trump better. It doesn’t make an abandonment of principles and sanity the only option.”

    No, clearly you do NOT get it. You absolutely do NOT get it.

    If the corrupt DNC had not run the most corrupt presidential candidate in history, Trump would not be President. End of story.

    Blame yourself.

  • captcrisis

    Hillary was corrupt? Citation please.

    Also need citation for your assertion that Trump was less corrupt.

  • Million dollar per year salary for Princess Chelsea. Corrupt multi-generational nepotism.

    That’s the tip of the iceberg.

    But of course, even the FACT that “contributions” to the Clinton Foundation literally dried up after she lost the election means nothing to you. Nope – noting to see here folks! No pay-to-play here, nosiree!

  • captcrisis

    Citations needed. Once again.

    And tell me again about the Trump Foundation. Or Trump University.

  • Mother124

    Apparently, like those evangelical “leaders,” Perry likes his seat at the Trump table too much to jeopardize it.

  • Donalbain
  • Hahahahaha!

    $600,000 PLUS BENEFITS. And no, not working for her parents… (wink)

  • Donalbain

    No. It says right there. She was working for NBC.

  • captcrisis

    Small potatoes compared to what other presidential children have done. Note the $500 million deal China struck with Jared Kushner’s firm (of course while his father-in-law was STILL president). And the patents Ivanka won there for her clothing line.

    It’s only unethical to make money when a Clinton does it . . .

  • So you immediately obfuscate by trying to redirect attention to Ivanka?

    Hilarious!

    You literally just admitted that this is flagrant nepotism and corruption by the Clintons, BUT IT’S NO WORSE THAN THE TRUMPS!

    This is great!

  • loveandcommonsense

    The GOP has had some good nominees and potential nominees. Guys with proven records of cutting spending and governing big States (Kasich, Romney, Jeb). They can’t get elected dog catcher because they are “ideologically impure” and because they deign to work with Democrats. Well, that’s exactly what we need in this country. Bipartisan should not be a bad word anymore. A house divided can’t stand and we are just about as divided as we’ve ever been.

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    I’m not a Democrat. I’ve been a Republican for all my adult life.
    Also, I agree with you. That’s what you’re not getting. I’ve said it over and over and over again that Clinton was the worst candidate they could have run. You even quoted me saying that very thing here, so why blame myself? I didnt vote for her. I also didnt vote for Trump. I dont like corruption or immorality from either side of the political aisle.

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    Apparently you’ve never watched the news or read a newspaper.
    Hillary’s scandals are myriad.

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    I dont count Trumpledumps as ‘conservative.’

  • captcrisis

    Citation please.

  • captcrisis

    Corruption or immorality from Hillary? Citation please

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn
  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    Trump is not less corrupt. Those two could be twinsies.
    As for Hillary’s corruption, start here:
    https://www.npr.org/2016/06/12/481718785/clinton-scandals-a-guide-from-whitewater-to-the-clinton-foundation

  • GotMyLoveGlassesOn

    Normally, I tell those with blinders on to either look for themselves or just drown in their ignorance, but here you go, a brief primer:
    https://www.npr.org/2016/06/12/481718785/clinton-scandals-a-guide-from-whitewater-to-the-clinton-foundation

  • Donalbain

    You didn’t read that did you? It was a long description of things that Mrs Clinton has not been found to have done wrong.

  • captcrisis

    One commenter has already called you on this. It’s a long recitation of Clinton “scandals” and one reads that despite intensive investigations no wrongdoing was ever found.

    STILL waiting for citations, please.

  • Marcion

    Why not? At the end of the day the most shocking thing about Trump’s base is how normal it is. His supporters are just Republicans, the same people who form the base of every right-wing politician in America. They’re the same people who voted for the Tea Party in 2010 and for the non-Trump candidates in the 2016 primary (Trump only got a plurality in the primary after all). Trump’s massive approval rating among Republicans suggests he actively reflects the beliefs the people who have been the heart of the conservative movement for decades.

    If it’s surprising that conservatives got on the Trump train so easily, maybe your understanding of what conservatism is was flawed.

  • TinnyWhistler

    “Only a massive purge of the membership will change the course of history.”
    We’re not currently seeing that within the party. Has there been a flood of primary upsets displacing incumbents that I missed? Or will the R ticket be same old, same old?

    What should conservatives do if the R lineup in November is the same enablers?