ISIS’s Anti-Islamic Theology of Rape

ISIS’s Anti-Islamic Theology of Rape August 17, 2015
Copyright: saiyood / 123RF Stock Photo
Copyright: saiyood / 123RF Stock Photo

My blood boiled with rage as I read the New York Times article “ISIS Enshrines a Theology of Rape.” ISIS has been promoting the systematic rape of women and girls, some girls even younger than 12. The article starts with a horrific description,

He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her. When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion.

I have a daughter who will soon be 12. I’ve also been the youth pastor of teenage girls. Although I’m a staunch supporter of nonviolent action in the face of evil, and I don’t believe in hell as a place of torment after death, there is a significant part of me that wants to blow those bastard into a million pieces, sending them to the hell that they so richly deserve.

But there are two points that I would like to make in response to the article. First, ISIS is not Islamic. We need to stop calling ISIS a form of “radical Islam.” ISIS and other terror groups don’t deserve to have the name “Islam” attached to their identity.

As a Christian with many Muslim friends, I cannot allow ISIS to set the theological terms of Islam. When an ISIS fighter prostrates himself in prayer before and after raping a woman or a girl, he is not praying to Allah. He is praying to the devil.

Who Is Allah?

In Islamic terms, Allah is not a god who justifies rape and murder. Rather, Allah is the God of Mercy and Compassion. The chapters of the Qur’an begin with the phrase, “In the name of God, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy.” In Islam, mercy is God’s fundamental nature and Muslims are to imitate God’s mercy by acting in the ways of God’s mercy.

God states in the Qur’an that, “My Mercy and Compassion embrace all things” (7:156), but just what is God’s mercy like? The Arabic word for mercy is rahmah. It is intimately related to the Arabic word rahim, which means “womb.” In his book The Heart of Islam, Seyyed Hossein Nasr claims that the connection between mercy and womb indicates that, “the world issues from the womb of Divine Mercy and Compassion.”

In Islam, Allah is like a Merciful Mother who loves and cares for her children. Now, one might claim that Allah’s children are only Muslims, and thus, only Muslims deserve mercy and compassion. But that would be false. As the Qur’an states, God’s “Mercy and Compassion embrace all things.” All that exists is embraced by God’s mercy. It doesn’t matter whether we are believers, polytheists, or atheists. In Islam, Allah responds to all things, including all people, with Mercy and Compassion.

Mercy and Compassion are so integral to Islam that Nasr states, “It is impossible for a Muslim to pray to God or even think of God without awareness of this essential dimension of Compassion and Mercy.”

Which leads me back to heinous acts of rape committed by ISIS. Their “theology of rape” has nothing to do with Islam. In fact, it is anti-Islamic because it goes against the very Mercy and Compassion that is the nature of Islam’s theology of God. True Islamic theology doesn’t lead to rape; it leads to compassion and mercy. ISIS is anti-Islamic because, as Nasr claims, “There are numerous teachings in the Quran and Hadith emphasizing the importance of having compassion toward the people who are one’s neighbors and being aware of their needs. Then beyond one’s neighborhood there is society at large, in which the same attitude of compassion and kindness must exist even beyond the boundary of one’s religion.”

Responding to ISIS: Violence or Mercy?

This leads me to my second point. As much as I’d like to blow those bastards away, if we are to take seriously the fact that God’s “Mercy encompasses all things,” then God’s mercy might extend even to ISIS. Will bombing ISIS stop their violent quest? Well, it might stop their violent quest, but as we’ve seen during the last 13 years in the “War on Terror,” when we violently destroy one enemy, another more dangerous enemy emerges.

In fact, there is ample evidence to suggest that the mismanagement of Iraq by the United States has “encouraged thousands of skilled Iraqis to take their expertise to the anti-American insurgency that eventually became the Islamic State.”

We don’t need more bombs. The “War on Terror” has taught us that attempting to solve our problems with violence only reinforces a worldwide culture of violence. It teaches us and our enemies that violence is the only real solution to our problems. It reveals that we don’t really believe in God or Jesus or Allah. We and our enemies believe in the same god. And that god’s name is Violence. Our faith in the demonic god of violence will only lead us to a future of mutually assured destruction.

I believe that the God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam would have us look reality in the face. Violence is mimetic; it only leads to more violence. We must lay down our weapons and find more creative ways to solve our problem of violence. We have wasted enough money on war that will only doom us to a future of apocalyptic violence. I’ll end with a quote from Jean-Michel Oughoulian, who describes a better and more merciful way to solve our worldwide problem of violence in his book Psychopolotics:

Instead of spending astronomical sums on arms, let us spend instead on roads, hospitals, schools, houses, businesses, to create jobs and so on. Instead of financing war, let us purchase peace.


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  • luna
  • Marcion

    Sorry, but talking about Allah’s mercy in the quran won’t make the rest of the book go away. The quran gives believers permission to have sex with their slaves:

    Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if,
    after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no
    blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

    -4:24

    And those who guard their chastity, Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed
    -70:29-30

    And Muhammad himself even gets permission to take slaves and prisoners of war as “wives”:

    O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to
    their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order
    that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
    Most Merciful.

    – 33:50

    Islamic scriptures have some very serious moral problems, and when they’re used as a moral guide, atrocities like this will inevitably result. Saying “islam can never fail, it can only be failed” over and over again isn’t going to make these problems go away. Of course, these problems aren’t unique to islamic scriptures; ISIS is following in the footsteps of the biblical Moses:

    Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
    Numbers 31: 13-18

    None of these books are good moral guides in 2015.

  • Chuck Bryant

    The headline that brought me to this article said ISIS rapists don’t pray to Allah.

    I’m not making excuses for ISIS (Islamic State In Syria) or trying to justify rape, but the truth is only the person praying can say to whom or for what they pray.

    When ISIS says they are Islamic and you say they are not, you have committed the No True Scotsman fallacy.

    ISIS might not do Islam the way your friends do, or the way you want them to, but if they say they are doing Islam we can only accept that ( and pray they find a more peaceful way going foward)

    • Marcion

      That’s a big problem with Islam: It’s all about submission to the will of god but the only source of knowledge on what that will is, the quran, is utterly incoherent on issues where clarity is quite literally a matter of life and death. As long as the quran is the go-to book for god’s will, protecting all human life (5:32) is just as Islamic as killing, crucifying and mutilating all of god and Muhammad’s enemies (5:33). This makes it far too easy for hateful, violent versions of the religion to arise and find legitimacy.

      Other religions have this problem too, of course, but that’s not so much a defense of Islam as it is a condemnation of those other religions.

    • Except that if the point of being a Scotsman were to reflect the Mercy and Compassion of God, and said Scotsman acted in the complete opposite manner, I would say he wasn’t a true Scotsman and I wouldn’t be committing a fallacy.

      And I appreciate your point about praying that they find a more peaceful way going forward. Let’s keep doing that.

      • luna

        By your logic Muhammad was not Muslim.

      • The picture is far more complex than that. Mohammed’s closest men, upon the figure’s death, went on themselves to do many things from slave trading to having far underage sex partners to making war all over. And the words of Mohammed as transmitted through them on down, as the traditions go, end up having widely disparate meanings depending on which ‘line’ you go with.

        It’s more like, say, asking “What would Abraham Lincoln think of income inequality (or foreign policy, or the environment, etc) today?” The picture is that of shades of grey.

        • mike

          so Muhammad didn’t take slaves as war booty? didn’t allow his men to rape women taken as war booty?
          are you claiming that the Koran has been corrupted? [dare I say ALL] muslims won’t like that at all. the hadiths are false? [many] muslims won’t like that at all.

          • luna

            Islam is a scam, the truth hurts, but the truth will set you free.

          • mike

            all religion is a scam.
            ‘free your mind from mental slavery’.

          • luna

            Some things are unknowable. The destructive nature of Islam is not.

          • mike

            nor is the destructive nature of Judaism or Christianity.

          • luna

            The Islamic conquest of the entire world, through sharia & jihad has been, and remains to this day the most destructive meme known to mankind.

            I understand your an atheist, and you probably can’t resist telling small children there is no Santa Claus, but the message of Judaism and Christianity is not destructive. I understand you hate all religion, and consider them all equally bad, but there is a major difference between Islam and every other religion.

            The most obvious difference is the golden rule, even atheists can agree to this. All religions except Islam and Satanism follow the golden rule.

          • mike

            “The Islamic conquest of the entire world, through sharia & jihad has been, and remains to this day the most destructive meme known to mankind.” I have no idea what a meme is?

            “I understand your an atheist,” yes I’m an atheists.
            “and you probably can’t resist telling small children there is no Santa Claus,” I’ve never told any small children there is no santa claus.
            “but the message of Judaism and Christianity is not destructive.” ok. so what of the destruction you find in the bible?
            “I understand you hate all religion, and consider them all equally bad, but there is a major difference between Islam and every other religion.” then your understanding is poor. I dislike the Abrahamic religions. I don’t know enough about all religions to hate, or even dislike most of them. the Baha’i, Zoroastrians, jain, buddists and hindu are largely foreign to me. the Shinto and animists and other forms of nature or ancestor worship just seem silly. I do find all religions, at least what I know of them, to be full of superstition and at odds with reason.

            “The most obvious difference is the golden rule, even atheists can agree to this. All religions except Islam and Satanism follow the golden rule.” so what is this golden rule you claim is followed by all other religions? due unto others as you would have done unto you? if that is the case, I hope I never run into one of those Buddhist monks who lights themselves on fire.

          • luna
    • While I mostly agree, I feel like you worded it a bit clumsily with “they say they are doing Islam we can only accept that ( and pray they find a more peaceful way going forward)”.

      Don’t just “accept”. Speak out. Talk to people. Try to give aid if you can (of course, I understand if you can’t) in contributions to humanitarian groups operating in the area. Even just commenting here on disqus is better than nothing

      I know what you mean, just saying that you could have worded it better.

  • Sean

    Raping your sex slave is permissible in Islam because the Islamic prophet Mohammed did it. In jihad the LIFE and PROPERTY of the non-Muslim belong to the Muslim:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dl1jC0y8hIs8&ved=0CCoQtwIwBGoVChMImKy3scexxwIViS2ICh1vdQBQ&usg=AFQjCNGO8etkBzwy2t1Eb8YSCuBPNGfcoA&sig2=7jlT0fYclkJeEI0N2sSnFg

    This means that your three year old, your grandmother, your sister, your wife and any other woman dear to you can be owned sexually and physically by a Muslim. The sick Yasir Qadhi is a prominent imam in Tennessee who speaks all over the country to Muslims.

  • Maheen

    Imam Zaid Shakir on ISIS, Sex slaves, and Islam
    http://seekershub.org/blog/2015/08/isis-sex-slaves-imam-zaid-shakir/

    • luna

      Muhammad owned sex slaves.
      http://www.salon.com/2001/10/11/sword/

      • Maheen

        He also freed slaves, and tied spiritual reward and elevation to freeing slaves. There are countless examples in the Quran (Surah 90) and Hadith where freeing a slave is related to making up for sins or becoming closer to God.

        • luna

          Islamic State is blindly following a plausible, yet destructive interpretation of the Quran.

          The narrative needs to be *fundamentally* challenged and replaced with a more positive and inclusive expression of Muslim identity, if Islam wishes to survive.

  • Katherine Harms

    It is all very well and good for this man to say that ISIS is not Islamic, but he is not Islamic, either. He has no authority to speak for Islam on matters of theology. Let’s hear some imam in Iran or Syria or Gaza declare that ISIS is not Islamic. ISIS certainly claims to be Islamic, and the people who have the most to lose by association with ISIS and its behaviors are Muslims. Let Muslims declare that ISIS is not Islamic, and that statement might have some standing. Let Muslims ask the world to help them bomb ISIS into unrecognizable fragments, and that statement might have some standing.

    • Hi Katherine. Thanks for the comment that allows me to address this issue. A simple Google search for “Muslims denounce ISIS” brings up countless Muslim leaders worldwide who are doing just that. It appears that we non-Muslims in the west have a vested interest in ignoring those voices. I wonder why that is? Many of us would rather live in fear than know the truth. For example, “The head Shia religious leader in Iraq and Sunni religious leaders in Iraq have all condemned – and called for war against – ISIS.” See more here – http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/muslims-condemn-isis.html

      • luna

        Shia have been fighting Sunni since the death of Muhammad. Sunni leaders oppose ISIS because the ISIS caliphate is a direct threat to their authority.

        “So before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.”
        Leon Uris: The Haj

        • Edwin Woodruff Tait

          Leon Uris was not an Arab or a Muslim, as your quotation would imply to a naive reader. A quote from a novel written by an American Jew is of no authority on what Muslims actually think. And, of course, Sunnis have condemned ISIS as well.

          • luna

            It’s based on a traditional Arab proverb.

          • Edwin Woodruff Tait

            So I’ve heard. I’ve only ever read it in anti-Islamic sources, though, I think. It may in fact be a traditional proverb.

        • Sean

          Very true about the Shia, and I think we can further say that Islamic governments and clerics throughout the Sunni Islamic world condemn ISIS because it is a political and territorial threat to themselves. Many Islamic nations have no issues with the jihadis themselves because their practices are actually Islamic. Its strictly an issue of NIMBYism.

          One thing people may not realize about Saudi Arabia is that they must have a means to keep their nation safe from the jihadists and radicals produced by their own educational and religious system.

          By exporting their radicals to the rest of the world to fight “jihad”, they keep the peace at home. Additionally, these radical young men get the opportunity to improve their situation by taking women and wealth from other countries, which keeps them from complaining about deteriorating financial conditions in Saudi.

          I have heard that the Saudi royal family, which numbers in the thousands, lives in perpetual fear of overthrow. They are at a stalemate with their Wahhabist clerics and ISIS could easily manipulate the situation to the ruin of the al Saud.

    • Lance Anderson

      Muslims around the world have spoken out against ISIS. The top Muslim Cleric in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iraq have all condemned ISIS as un- Islamic as has the International Union of Muslim Scholars. It is mainly Muslims that are fighting ISIS in ground combat. It is also mainly Muslims who are the victims of ISIS.

      • Thank you for this, Lance!

        • mike

          turkey has the 8th largest army in the world. Saudi Arabia, 300+ fixed wing attack planes. over a thousand tanks and self propelled guns. Jordan has an army of 80,000.

      • luna

        Muslim Scholars Call to ‘Kill and Crucify’ ISIS Terrorists
        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/190912

      • mike

        the top cleric in Saudi Arabia has also said it would be unjust not to allow 10 year-old girls to marry.
        obviously muslims are mostly fighting, and the victim of the Islamic State. they are in the middle of the Islamic world. but there are 1.5 billion muslims. if 700 million are males, and say you divide them into 5ths. there are 140 million males of fighting age. why can’t they defeat less than 50,000 Islamic State fighters?

    • lizzysimplymagic

      Ok, but then you have to apologize personally and repeatedly for every bad violent thing self-proclaimed Christians have EVER done, deny that they were real Christians, and then ask your government to bomb them.

      I imagine you’ll be quite busy!

  • Jeff

    This is, sadly, all-too typical among sheltered, Western liberals.
    A patronizing, head-in-the-sand PC reinterpretation of Islam doesn’t mean shit to the hundreds of millions of traditional followers and their theologians who say unequivocally that Muslim men are absolutely allowed to rape ‘infidel’ women as they desire. How could it, when the primary examples they use are the passages in the Qur’an that explicitly condone it, and the numerous hadith in which Muhammad is documented engaged in this very thing.
    I’m glad the pro-Islam liberals don’t seem willing to justify this behavior (as they’ve done with other atrocious Muslim acts), but that doesn’t mean that it’s not Islamic.
    Tragically, it most certainly is.

  • MichaelElwood

    Adam, I disagree with your pacifist beliefs. But I think there are other areas where progressive Muslims and Christians can find agreement and can work together. Specifically, on the issue of sex slavery. Islam associates the master-slave relationship with polytheism (in Arabic, shirk). Muhammad disavowed the taking of slaves. And the Quran criticizes those who engage in the slave trade as those who “desire the materials of this world”. And the Quran commands Muslims to emancipate all slaves:

    “It is not for a human that God would give him the book, the authority, and the prophethood, then he would say to the people: ‘Be servants to me rather than to God!’ . . . .” [Quran 3:79]

    “It was not for any prophet to take prisoners unless it was in battle. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter for you. God is Noble, Wise.” [Quran 8:67]

    “Righteousness is. . . . to free the slaves. . . .” [Quran 2:177]

    “No believer shall kill another believer, unless it is an accident. If one kills a believer by accident, he shall atone by freeing a believing slave. . . .” [Quran 4:92]

    “. . . .If you violate an oath, you shall atone by. . . . freeing a slave. . . .” [Quran 5:89]

    “Charities shall go to. . . . free the slaves. . . .” [Quran 9:60]

    “Those who estrange their wives. . . . shall atone by freeing a slave. . . .” [Quran 58:3]

    “He should choose the difficult path. Which one is the difficult path? The freeing of slaves.” [Quran 90:11-13]

    This is not a mere suggestion, but a command. It was made obligatory (in Arabic, fard) on Muslims (see 9:60). Despite the unambiguous nature of this command, some critics still claim that the Quran is ambiguous on sex slavery. What about those verses that say you can have sex with “those whom your right hands possess/ma malakat aymanakum,” they ask? If you squint your eyes and look at those verses sideways, and ignore grammar and logic, they could be read as justifying sex slavery. Unfortunately for them, if you don’t ignore grammar and logic, those verses can’t be read as justifying sex slavery. Prof. Martha Schulte-Nafeh writes in her footnote for 4:3:

    “The expression Ma malakat aymanukum has been translated by most translations as “whom your right hands posses” or “captives” or “concubines.” (See the note 23:6). We translated this and similar expressions found in 4:3; 16:71; 23:6; 24:31; 30:28; 33:50; and 70:30, as “those with whom you have contractual rights.” These were the wives of the enemy combatants who were persecuted because they acknowledged the message of Islam and sought asylum at the Muslim community (60:10). Since they did not get through a normal divorce process, an exceptional contract allows them to marry muslims as free women. Marrying them could create some social, economic and personal complications for the husband. They have nothing to do with IBaD (slaves), as sectarian translations and commentaries state. As we will learn, the Quran categorically rejects slavery and considers it to be the greatest sin (See 3:79; 4:25; 5:89; 8:67; 24:32; 58:3; 90:13; 2:286; 12:39; 79:24). . . .

    “The word YaMYN means “right hand” or metaphorically “right,” “power” or “control.” However, its plural form aYMaN is consistently mentioned in the Quran to mean not “right hands” but to mean “oaths” or “promises,” implying the mutual nature of the relationship (See 4:33 5:89; 9:12; 16:91; 2:224; 30:28; 66:2; 5:53; 6:109). This unique Quranic usage is similar to the semantic difference between the singular and plural forms of the word Ayat (signs) (see 2:106).

    “The expression in question, thus could be translated as “those whom your oaths/contracts have rights over” or “those whom you hold rights through your contracts,” or by reading aYMaN (oaths/contracts) as an object rather than a subject, “those who hold/possess your contracts.”

    “The marriage declaration is a mutual partnership between two sexes and is formed by participation of family members. A married woman cannot marry another man without getting divorced from her husband. However, if a woman escapes and joins muslims while her husband stayed behind participating in a war against muslims, she may marry a Muslim man without actually getting divorced from her combatant husband; she will legally be considered a divorcee (60:10). Since this contract is different from the normal marriage contract, this special relationship is described in different words. The same is valid for a man whose wife allies with the hostile enemy. See 24:31 and 33:55. Those who work for another person according to employment contracts are also referred to with the same expression. See 16:71; 30:28. Also, see 4:25; 23:6; 24:58; 33:50; 33:52; 70:30.

    “The Quran does not demand those who lived together based on a mutual promise (AYMaN) during the days of ignorance, without a marriage contract, to get divorced. Similarly, it does not want those who married two sisters before accepting islam to be a way of life (4:23). This tolerance does not encourage living together without marriage. It only does not want to incur further damage to the family structure and does not want to create hurdles for those who wish to live according to the principles of islam.”

    One thing is clear, sex slavery won’t disappear if progressive Christians and Muslims abandon their religions and become atheists (as some atheists have suggested). There’s nothing that ISIS does to their sex slaves that isn’t also done to sex slaves in the supposedly enlightened secular West:

    “The Malmö district court acquitted the man on charges of aggravated assault over a weekend of slave-like sex with the then 16-year-old girl. . . .

    “The 16-year-old girl came in contact with the man through a sadomasochism-themed website and later signed a ‘slave contract’ in which she consented to being ‘used, abused and thoroughly humiliated’.

    “‘I want to have a really hard master. Someone who won’t wimp out,’ the teen wrote the 32-year-old during their online chat, according to the Aftonbladet newspaper.”

    http://www.thelocal.se/20100928/29302

    Our secular friends think that the same things they condemn ISIS for doing are OK when they do it because it’s “consenting adults” and they have a legally binding “slave contract”! So much for “good moral guides in 2015”!

    • Thank you for this comment, Michael. I needed to read your sound, exegetical voice amidst the the other comments on here.

      Grace and peace,
      Adam

      • luna

        Comparing voluntary sadomasochism between consenting individuals with the ongoing religiously sanctioned mass murder and mass enslavement is not sound or exegetical.

    • luna

      When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled. (Umdat al-Salik O9.13)

      • MichaelElwood

        “And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. . . . And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?. . . . Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” [Numbers 31:9-18]

        “And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.” [Deuteronomy 20:13-14]

        “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.” [Exodus 21:7]

        “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, ‘Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave’. ” [Genesis 9:25-27]

        “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” [Leviticus 25:44-45]

        “Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel. . . Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. . . With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew”.

        –Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (former Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, in 2010)

        • luna

          Your not disputing the quote I provided. Rather you are distracting from it, that is, you are attempting to change the subject away from modern day Islamic sex slavery.

          • MichaelElwood

            I already debunked the substance of your quote in my previous comment. You didn’t dispute the quotes that I provided. Rather you tried to distract from them with a quote from an obscure sectarian treatise, Umdat al-Salik. Do you really think that Umdat al-Salik is more authoritative than the Quran? Umdat al-Salik is only considered authoritative by the Shafi’i, a subsect of the Sunni sect.

          • luna
          • MichaelElwood

            Shafi’i is one of four schools of SUNNI jurisprudence. Not all Muslims are Sunni. And there’s no such thing as “the necessity of warfare against the infidel”. I think you’re just embarrassed by the quotes that I provided and are trying to change the subject. Do yourself a favor and stop pretending that “Muslims” are the only ones who promote sex slavery and (mis)quote scripture to try to justify it.

          • luna

            Mea culpa, you are right there are four schools of Islamic jurisprudence within Sunni Islam, which account for about 90% of Muslims, including Islamic State.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh#The_schools_of_thought

          • MichaelElwood

            Of those Muslims who identify in a sectarian way, Sunnis make up about 90%. However, hundreds of millions of Muslims don’t identify with any sect:

            http://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-1-religious-affiliation/

            Still trying to change the subject, eh? What percentage of Jews do you think the Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel represents?

          • luna

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim

            A Muslim, sometimes spelled Moslem,[1] relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam,[2] a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the Quran. Muslims consider the Quran to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. They also follow the teachings and practices of Muhammad as recorded in traditional accounts called hadith.[3] “Muslim” is an Arabic word meaning “one who submits (to God)”.[4]

            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/025-muhammads-sex-life.htm

            Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son’s wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex – sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “A Muslim, sometimes spelled Moslem,[1] relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam,[2] a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the Quran. Muslims consider the Quran to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. They also follow the teachings and practices of Muhammad as recorded in traditional accounts called hadith.[3] “Muslim” is an Arabic word meaning “one who submits (to God)”.[4]”

            Could you stop quoting Wikipedia as if it’s an authority on Islam? If you want to know what a Muslim is, and the role hadith plays in Islam, I suggest reading a scholarly work. I recommend Prof. Aisha Y. Musa’s book “Hadith as Scripture: Discussions on the Authority of Prophetic Traditions in Islam” and Prof. Daniel W. Brown’s book “Rethinking Tradition in Modern Islamic Thought”.

            Luna wrote: “Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time.”

            And that’s a problem because? The Jewish prophets also had many wives:

            “And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.” [Judges 8:30]

            “And he [Solomon] had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.” [1 Kings 11:3]

            Luna wrote; “He had sex with a 9-year-old girl. . .”

            Uh, no, he didn’t have sex with a 9-year old girl:

            http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/age_of_aisha_(P1472).html

            http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_151_200/ayesha_age_the_myth_of__a_prover.htm

            Luna wrote: “On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex. . .”

            Uh, no. As I demonstrated in my previous comment, Muhammad found slavery objectionable and commanded his followers to emancipate all slaves.

            Luna wrote: “. . . sometimes [Muhammad had sex with them] on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.”

            Are you sure you’re not confusing Muhammad’s biography with the biography of David and Bathsheba? Your hypocrisy is truly amazing!

          • luna

            “Your hypocrisy is truly amazing!”

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

            Tu quoque (/tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for “you, too” or “you, also”) or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the validity of the opponent’s logical argument by asserting the opponent’s failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “Tu quoque (/tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for “you, too” or “you, also”) or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the validity of the opponent’s logical argument by asserting the opponent’s failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).”

            My argument is not that Judaism allows sex slavery therefore it’s OK if Islam allowed sex slavery too (tu quoque). My argument is that Islam doesn’t allow sex slavery, and you’re a hypocrite for feigning offense even if it did, because you don’t find similar actions in your own religion offensive. Jews don’t recognize that wise Rabbi, Jesus. But I think he was on to something when he said:

            “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” [Matthew 7:5]

            By the way, for your edification, here’s some more info on the tu quoque fallacy (since you don’t seem to know what it actually means):

            http://www.skepticink.com/notung/2014/10/28/non-fallacious-uses-of-tu-quoque/

          • luna

            I’m a hypocrite for feigning offense even if modern day sex slavery is indeed sanctioned by Islam!

            I pray Satan have mercy on your soul.
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/Muhammad%20hell.jpg

          • luna

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

            Because Sharia originates with the Quran and the Sunnah, it is not optional. Sharia is the legal code ordained by Allah for all mankind. To violate Sharia or not to accept its authority is to commit rebellion against Allah, which Allah’s faithful are required to combat.

          • MichaelElwood

            Sharia didn’t originate with the Quran. It was formulated centuries later, and it sometimes contradicts the Quran:

            http://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/hadith-ancient-islamic-source-of-the-evils-of-modern-jihad/islam-jihad-koran-bin-laden-muhammad-prophet-meaning-verses/c7s18102/#.VOSZRebF9Pc

            By the way, do you really think I or any other serious student of Islam takes JihadWatch seriously as a reliable source of information about Islam?

          • luna

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

            Sharia or sharia law (Arabic: شريعة‎ (IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa]), is the Islamic legal system[1] derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith. The term sharia comes from the Arabic language term sharīʿah, which means a body of moral and religious law derived from religious prophecy, as opposed to human legislation.

          • luna

            Since you say you are a serious student of Islam, I have a homework assignment for you. Consider the following passages:

            “But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die.”
            ~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20)

            “I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
            ~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “Since you say you are a serious student of Islam, I have a homework assignment for you. Consider the following passages:”

            Everything in at-Tabari’s book is not true. As at-Tabari said in his introduction, it’s is a collection of narrations in circulation during his lifetime without regard to their historicity:

            “I shall likewise mention those (narrators) who came after them, giving additional information about them. I do this so that it can be clarified whose transmission (of traditions) is praised and whose information is transmitted, whose transmission is to be rejected and whose transmission is to be disregarded…The reader should know that with respect to all I have mentioned and made it a condition to set down in this book of mine, I rely upon traditions and reports which have been transmitted and which I attribute to their transmitters. I rely only very rarely upon (my own) rationality and internal thought processes. For no knowledge of the history of men of the past and of recent men and events is attainable by those who were not able to observe them and did not live in their time, except through information and transmission produced by informants and transmitters. This knowledge cannot be brought out by reason or produced by internal thought processes. This book of mine may contain some information mentioned by me on the authority of certain men of the past, which the reader may disapprove of and the listener may find detestable, because he can find nothing sound and no real meaning in it. In such cases, he should know that it is not my fault that such information comes to him, but the fault of someone who transmitted it to me. I have merely reported it as it was reported to me.”

            He didn’t intend his readers to accept everything in his book as gospel. You must be accustomed to doing this “Muslim sources” schtick with suckas. Did you really think that I wouldn’t catch your dubious references to the Tarikh and Umdat al-Salik?

          • luna

            “War is deceit.” -Muhammad

            http://quran.com/22/52

            And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “‘War is deceit.’ -Muhammad”

            You should really get some new material. I think Prof. Jeffry Halverson addressed these types of deceptive quotes best. So let me just quote him:

            “In a book written and compiled by a ninth century Muslim scholar from Bukhara in modern-day Uzbekistan, called Sahih Bukhari, there is a saying attributed to the Prophet Muhammad that ‘warfare is deceit.’ The great Chinese strategist Sun Tzu said much the same, and the statement may even originate with him. Anyone with any knowledge of military strategy and history will tell you that this is common-sense stuff. During battle, armies throughout history have used tactics like false retreats (the Mongols excelled at this), hiding in ambush, or fooling a foe into thinking that your army is much larger than it actually is to achieve victory. Ideally you can win a battle without even actually fighting. We could call this part of ‘psychological warfare.’ No one knows (or can ultimately determine) whether the historical Muhammad, who died in western Arabia in 632, actually made this statement. And all kinds of proverbial wisdom is attributed to Muhammad over the centuries. But what it’s inclusion in Sahih Bukhari does prove is that Muslims attributed it to Muhammad during the time of the Abbasid Empire in the ninth century. How this is damning proof that Muslims are religiously-sanctioned ‘liars’ seems to me a ridiculous stretch of bigoted imaginations. To the contrary, the Qur’an and other sayings in Hadith books, including Sahih Bukhari, extoll Muslims to speak truthfully and stand up for the truth, even in the face of a tyrant. Even the Christian Bishop Sebeos of Armenia, writing one of the earliest references to Muhammad in history (~662), noted that Muhammad taught his followers ‘not to speak falsely.’ And as one of the few criminal punishments actually listed in the Qur’an, we find that the Qur’an orders a person who lies about a chaste woman to receive 80 lashes as punishment. How is that for lying?”

            http://www.salon.com/2015/06/01/everything_you_see_on_twitter_about_islam_is_wrong_heres_the_real_history_and_information/

          • luna

            http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver
            2.1 Qur’an 3:54
            2.2 Qur’an 7:99
            2.3 Qur’an 8:30
            2.4 Qur’an 10:21
            2.5 Qur’an 13:42

          • MichaelElwood

            Here’s my rather lengthy comment on this silly polemic from THREE YEARS AGO:

            http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/allah-as-the-best-of-deceivers/#comment-729734699

            Like I said, you need to get some new material.

          • luna

            LOL! Your from loonwatch? That site is utter and complete crap. They moderate all posts, its an echo chamber.

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “That site is utter and complete crap.”

            . . .says the person who constantly references crappy sites like JihadWatch, religionofpeace, and wikislam (yes, ANOTHER wiki).

          • luna

            These sites merely explain to the infidel how it is that jihadists claim to be following Islam, the Quran and Muhammad.

          • luna

            Do you find it odd that shortly after gathering with his family to invoke the curse of Allah on the liars (Quran 3:59-61), Muhammad, and two of his children died?

          • luna

            “Everything in at-Tabari’s book is not true.”

            Why are so many Muslim sources corrupt?
            Didn’t Allah send down a “clear book”?
            Can’t an all powerful deity prevent the Muslim sources from becoming corrupt?
            These commentaries are untrue why have they persisted for over a thousand years?

          • luna

            http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=71&date=2011-11-14

            In the ninth century A.C, Islamic learning was at its peak. Muslim scholars and scientists excelled in their learning and achievements in different fields. Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Jarir at-Tabari surpassed them all.

          • luna

            MichaelElwood wrote:
            Do yourself a favor and stop pretending that “Muslims” are the only ones who promote sex slavery…

            You admit that Islam promotes sex slavery, but attempt to deflect blame by suggesting they are not the only ones!

          • MichaelElwood

            LOL! You’re still here peddling this hasbara? I woke up and found all this garbage in my email.

            Luna wrote: “You admit that Islam promotes sex slavery, but attempt to deflect blame by suggesting they are not the only ones!”

            No. In my first comment, I said that Islam DIDN’T promote sex slavery: “Despite the unambiguous nature of this command, some critics still claim that the Quran is ambiguous on sex slavery.” I gave examples of slavery and sex slavery from Judaism not to “deflect,” but to show your hypocrisy. Your reading comprehension sucks, doesn’t it?

            You claimed that Islam allows sex slavery, but I demonstrated that the Quran prohibits it. You claimed that Islam allows rape (in Arabic, hirabah), but the Quran prohibits it and the classical jurists considered it a major crime. Aren’t you tired of getting caught lying?

          • luna

            So you claim Muhammad was in violation of God’s law when he had sex with his slaves?

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “So you claim Muhammad was in violation of God’s law when he had sex with his slaves?”

            No, *YOU* claim that Muhammad was in violation of God’s law when he had sex with his slaves. *I* claim that Muhammad never had slaves, so he couldn’t have had sex with them. But if Muhammad had sex slaves, he certainly wouldn’t have been in violation of God’s law as you understand it:

            “And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. . . . And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?. . . . Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” [Numbers 31:9-18]

            “And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.” [Deuteronomy 20:13-14]

            Again, with the reading comprehension. . .

          • luna

            http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Mariyah_the_Sex_Slave_of_the_Holy_Prophet

            My copy of the Qur’an contains the following tafseer side by side with the Surah Tahrim.
            Also it is reported that the Prophet had divided his days among his wives. And when it was the turn of Hafsa, he sent her for an errand to the house of her father Omar Khattab. When she took this order and went, the prophet called his slave girl Mariyah the Copt who bore his son Ibrahim, and who was a gift from the king Najashi and had sexual intercourse with her.

          • luna

            Why do you think Muhammad’s mother asked his caretaker if she thought Muhammad was possessed by demons?

            And why do you think she answered that she did think he was possessed by demons?

          • mike

            so maria the copt was a wife? how many wives did Muhammad have when he died?

            “But if Muhammad had sex slaves, he certainly wouldn’t have been in violation of God’s law as you understand it” you are right. clearly god/allah allows for sex slaves. no doubt about that. it is only man’s law that has righted this wrong. at least mostly, there are still slaves in the world.

          • mike

            Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: The Prophet appointed ‘Abdullah bin Jubair as the commander of the infantry men (archers) who were fifty on the day (of the battle) of Uhud. He instructed them, “Stick to your place, and don’t leave it even if you see birds snatching us, till I send for you; and if you see that we have defeated the infidels and made them flee, even then you should not leave your place till I send for you.” Then the infidels were defeated. By Allah, I saw the women fleeing lifting up their clothes revealing their leg-bangles and their legs. So, the companions of ‘Abdullah bin Jubair said, “The booty! O people, the booty ! Your companions have become victorious, what are you waiting for now?” ‘Abdullah bin Jubair said, “Have you forgotten what Allah’s Apostle said to you?” They replied, “By Allah! We will go to the people (i.e. the enemy) and collect our share from the war booty.” But when they went to them, they were forced to turn back defeated. At that time Allah’s Apostle in their rear was calling them back. Only twelve men remained with the Prophet and the infidels martyred seventy men from us. On the day (of the battle) of Badr, the Prophet and his companions had caused the ‘Pagans to lose 140 men, seventy of whom were captured and seventy were killed. Then Abu Sufyan asked thrice, “Is Muhammad present amongst these people?” The Prophet ordered his companions not to answer him. Then he asked thrice, “Is the son of Abu Quhafa present amongst these people?” He asked again thrice, “Is the son of Al-Khattab present amongst these people?” He then returned to his companions and said, “As for these (men), they have been killed.” ‘Umar could not control himself and said (to Abu Sufyan), “You told a lie, by Allah! O enemy of Allah! All those you have mentioned are alive, and the thing which will make you unhappy is still there.” Abu Sufyan said, “Our victory today is a counterbalance to yours in the battle of Badr, and in war (the victory) is always undecided and is shared in turns by the belligerents, and you will find some of your (killed) men mutilated, but I did not urge my men to do so, yet I do not feel sorry for their deed” After that he started reciting cheerfully, “O Hubal, be high! (1) On that the Prophet said (to his companions), “Why don’t you answer him back?” They said, “O Allah’s Apostle What shall we say?” He said, “Say, Allah is Higher and more Sublime.” (Then) Abu Sufyan said, “We have the (idol) Al Uzza, and you have no Uzza.” The Prophet said (to his companions), “Why don’t you answer him back?” They asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What shall we say?” He said, “Says Allah is our Helper and you have no helper.” (Book #52, Hadith #276)

          • mike

            [4.24] And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah’s ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

          • luna

            Surely Allah is the invention of a wicked sociopath.

          • mike

            was moses a ‘wicked sociopath’?

          • luna

            Of course not, Moses led an entire nation of people out of slavery.

          • mike

            can’t you be a wicked sociopath and do that. plus, the jews weren’t enslaved in Egypt, they were bonded.
            either way. so why after making it out of Egypt, does he kill all midianites, except for the virgin girls of course.

          • luna

            Your quite stubborn.

            I suggest you should ask ask your Moses questions to a rabbi.

            Moses was neither wicked nor a sociopath.

            400 years is a long time for a debt bond as you suggest.

            He was an obedient servant of the Lord.

            How can you judge such things? Would you think it better to kill the virgins too?

          • mike

            I would think it better not to kill the male children at all. or the old men and the female non-combatants. or maybe not attack them at all.
            yes, you have mentioned the rabbi already. yet there is no rabbi here, and you are the one defending Moses as a follower of the ‘true lord’. somehow you seem to try to deflect his actions while at the same time holding him up as a prophet. this makes no sense.
            I judge such things with reason and logic. either it is moral to intentionally kill women and children and enslave them, as all three Abrahamic faiths do, or not. you are the one being inconsistent with your judgment of Islam while giving a pass to Judaism and Christianity.

          • luna

            I’m just trying to answer your questions based on the scripture. But I’m no expert, you should talk to a scholar.

            As for morality, I know you don’t like to hear this but god gave you a brain, use it. Jews and Christians do not practice slavery today. Muslims do, and they point to Muhammad’s message and example of war against all mankind.

          • mike

            I use my brain everyday. so Judaism and Christianity grew out of slavery. islam is 600 years behind Christianity and even farther behind Judaism, so if in another 200 years they [muslims] no longer practice slavery, that is proof of what?
            yes, I’m well equated with muslims and Islamic theology. I’ve read the book of jihad by ibn nuhaas. I’ve read al-munajjid’s opinion on islam being spread by the sword. I’ve read the Koran and hundreds of hadiths. none of that alleviates Christianity of its own flaws.

          • luna

            By your logic if a new religion were formed of slaves today, they should get a free pass on global atrocities for the next 2000 because the message and example Jesus was so terrible.

            News flash, you’ll be dead in 200 years.

            So effectively your saying f*ck it. You hate all religions, and so your okay with Islam making an @ss of itself.

            I guess I didn’t realize that atheists lacked compassion.

          • mike

            I didn’t even come close to saying any of that. you have very strange reading comprehension. my point was that your god lacks consistency in its morality. and what does me being dead in 200 years have to do with anything?
            I may very well lack compassion, but clearly your god lacks compassion. you are grasping at straws, but at least you are willing to engage, unlike elwood. see he knows he has no foot to stand on. he and I have been at it before. anyway, why didn’t your all-knowing god outlaw slavery in the 10 commandments, if he is so compassionate? or how about this, open the book of geniuses with banning slavery?

          • luna

            Mike,

            The point about being dead in 200 years is that it war and slavery are having in the present. For those concerned (or suffering) by this the possibility of it sorting itself out long after were all dead is of little comfort. The time to act is now.

            You may have a point about moral ambiguity of slavery in ancient religions. I don’t know enough to comment about this, I suggest you discuss with experts. Adobe questions about survey though, is contracted indentured servitude for ten years or less the same as being born and dying a slave? Is sex slavery the same as manual labor? I’m not arguing in favor of slavery in any circumstance. Today we all (non-Muslims) agree that all forms of slavery have no place in our society. Rather what I’m getting at is the difficulty of hard and fast moral judgements for all things. Surely you are aware of moral dilemmas?

            The point of the Torah, as far as I know is to ask questions, particularly moral questions. Not so much about commandments, but more often about the interaction between characters in the story. Although all questions are fair game, and I you probably should talk to more then one rabbi.

          • mike

            so do you follow a religion?

          • luna

            Mike,

            It’s not that simple, I’ll try to explain. You are familiar with Christianity and Islam. Both are examples of what I would call converting religions. Co-religionists share a common set of beliefs and rules. If you don’t believe or don’t follow the rules you need to repent (Christianity) or be punished (Islam). By contrast in non-converting “religions”, co-religionists share a common set of dna & history regardless of what they believe. To answer your question I don’t follow any religion, but I am a member of one of the most persecuted religious minorities in history.

          • mike

            so you are saying that you are a non-practicing jew?
            so is Judaism a ‘non-converting’ religion? to be a real jew you must be ‘genetically’ jewish? so are European jews, real jews or do you have to be sematic? Ethiopian jews?

          • luna

            I didn’t say that.

            As far as I understand Jewish law you are considered Jewish if your mother is Jewish. Although some people stop there as if it were “only if your mother is Jewish”, most recognize the legitimacy of converts. However, conversion is rare because Jews don’t proselytize, and conversion requires a formal process.

            Most Jews are indeed distant cousins.

            Without mixed marriages and/or conversions Jews would be inbred.

            For this reason, you can consider the Jewish people to form a nation (shared dna & history).

            See also, “Jus sanguinis”, below is from Wikipedia:

            Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a principle of nationality law by which citizenship is not determined by place of birth but by having one or both parents who are citizens of the state. Children at birth may automatically be citizens if their parents have state citizenship or national identities of ethnic, cultural or other origins.[1] Citizenship can also apply to children whose parents belong to a diaspora and were not themselves citizens of the state conferring citizenship. This principle contrasts with jus soli (Latin: right of soil).[2]

          • mike

            so are the yazidi inbred? how about the druze? those are much smaller religions that don’t allow for conversation or mixed marriage.
            anyway, I think we are getting off track here. the point is quite simple and obvious. the Abrahamic religions all allow for slavery according to their’ holy’ texts. this is undeniable and one reason there need to be separation of religion and governance.

          • luna

            I can’t comment on Yazidi or Druze.

            To backup your assertion, please name two living Jewish leaders who advocate in favor of slavery on religious grounds.

          • luna

            By the way I agree with you that separation of church and state is a good thing.

            http://www.salon.com/2001/10/11/sword/

            At the core of Islamic history is the fact of the unification of the tribes of Arabia into a powerful medieval military force, one that overran the waning power of the Byzantine Empire and the Persians in the Levant. Islam, from its inception, is a political as well as a religious movement, and the themes of religion, politics and law are inseparable in the Quran and in Islam as a whole. In short, Islam does not have a religious history apart from its political history.

            This is in distinction from Judaism and Christianity, in which the religious community both predates and postdates the existence of a Jewish or Christian political state. Judaism already exists as a faith in the quasihistorical Age of the Patriarchs (circa 2000-1300 B.C.) before the establishment of the Kingdom of Israel, and Judaism continues to exist and develop as a religious community after the Babylonian Captivity, the Roman occupation, the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and throughout the Diaspora up to the year 1948.

            In a similar way Christianity, self-consciously apolitical in its origin, exists for centuries in a Roman/pagan context until the conversion of Emperor Constantine in 325 A.D.

            This development of the religious community outside of the halls of political power gives both Judaism and Christianity the flexibility to adapt to the secular concept of the separation of church and state that come out of the Enlightenment, and to embrace ideas of modernity and secular civil society. Put simply, neither faith requires the existence of a theocratic state to function fully as a religion because both their origins and endpoints exist above and beyond concerns of statehood.

            Not so with Islam. The fact of Muslim military might is the rock on which the entire community of the faithful is erected. The Muslim state, with Muhammad at its head, predates the collection of the Hadith (narrations about the life of Muhammad) and the writing of the Quran itself. In Islam, it is not the religious message that promotes the faith into the halls of political power as in Judaism and Christianity, it is an original state of political and military strength that promotes the religious message.

            Looked at this way, jihad is not a secondary concept in the development of Islam — something grafted onto the original religious message — rather it is the very origin of Islam, the sine qua non of the faith.

            This furthermore explains the inability of Islamic culture to adapt and accept ideas of modernity and secular government. It is no secret that representative democracy does not take well in the Muslim world. Liberal democracy of the American variety requires the embrace of tolerance over truth, the relinquishment of any binding central religious truth or ideology in government. The very idea of our country arises out of a weariness of the religious wars of Europe. This idea, of a government without a religious vision of absolute truth, is contrary to the Muslim community’s very conception of religious community.

            And herein lies the keystone of our problems. The attacks of Sept. 11 have created not only a military and economic challenge, but an intellectual one as well. Our dearly held idea of religious tolerance is confronted by a religion that seems at its root, incapable of it. Islam has never existed without the Islamic state, the Caliphate, and it would be hard-pressed to do so now. To accomplish a true secularization of the Muslim world would be to ignore the meaning of the Quran at the core — or at least as it is now interpreted by the most passionate believers.

          • luna

            “none of that alleviates Christianity of its own flaws” I’m not interested in convincing anyone to follow any religion. Only warn of the danger and evil of Islam, which is at war with all mankind.

            To overlook the evil of Islam in account of some dislike for any our all religions is to say that two (incomparable) wrongs make a right.

          • mike

            I’ve never overlooked the ‘evil’ of islam. I find islam to be one of the worst ideologies on the planet. look at my comment history. I’ve been banned form multiple muslim websites.
            of course the Abrahamic religions are comparable.

          • luna

            Islam has nothing to do with Judaism our Christianity.

            Muhammad claimed all previous religions foretold of his coming, therefore you could claim Islam follows from any religion, and Muslims do. Just because someone finds a death cult based on lies including a false lineage doesn’t mean any such lineage exists.

          • luna

            Do you find it ironic that an all knowing deity would ask an illiterate man to read?

          • MichaelElwood

            Nope, I don’t find it ironic at all. Because Muhammad wasn’t illiterate:

            http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/new_information/muhammad_(P1259).html

            Still trying to change the subject, eh? Just throw the hasbara out there and see if it sticks. . .

          • luna

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_first_revelation

            According to Islamic tradition, during one such occasion while he was in contemplation, the archangel Gabriel appeared before him in the year 610 CE and said, “Read”, upon which he replied, “I am unable to read”.

          • luna

            Do you find it ironic that Muslims need to pray for Muhammad’s salvation every time they mention his name?

          • mike

            isn’t moses a prophet of allah?

          • luna

            Allah is not the name of the Lord Moses served.

            Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.”

          • mike

            so what god did moses serve and why did he kill all the men, women and children of the midianites, save for the virgin girls? did your god order that done.

          • luna

            You should really ask a rabbi these sorts of questions, not me.

            Moses served the one true Lord. Service may have included specific cases of war which happened a very long time ago, which were limited both in time and place.

          • mike

            so the ‘one true lord’ ordered the killing of innocents? that is quite the ‘true lord’.

          • luna

            If that bothers you, you should bring this up an expert (ie., rabbi).

          • mike

            yes you have said this. it does bother me, that you are claiming moses follows the ‘true lord’. there is no rabbi in site. why can’t you explain your prophet to me? and your true lords commands?

          • luna

            I’m not a religious scholar.

          • mike

            that is exactly what muslims say when I challenge their doctrine.
            so why are you a follower of whatever religion you follow?

          • luna

            I don’t consider myself religious.

          • mike

            good. but it is strange for a non-religious person to say moses serves the ‘one true lord’.

          • luna

            You asked what god Moses served, and I believe that’s what it says in the book, in other words, that’s what I believe Moses would say.

          • luna

            Mike, you claim to be logical and rational. But in reality your asking random folks on the internet to explain scripture is akin to asking random folks to explain anything else sufficiently complex to have its own field of scholarship.

          • mike

            I’m not asking ‘random folks’. I’m asking a folk who seems to think they know who the ‘true lord’ is.
            islam has its own field of scholarship, but by your logic (and I use the term loosely) aren’t you asking random people on the internet to explain it? or at the very least defend it. you said that moses’ actions where constrained to a time and place. so if muslims say the same thing about Muhammad, how is that different?

          • luna

            I’ve already explained I’m no expert, so it’s not logical to assume I know anything about the one true Lord Moses served.

            Islam dots require experts to explain the Quran is incoherent. But it’s important to understand your enemy, and Islam has declared war on all mankind.

            Islam instruct Muslims to deceive non-Muslims in certain situations. So you won’t find to many willing to explain our defend jihad (war, terrorism), our sharia (legal subjugation of non-Muslims).

          • mike

            if you don’t know anything about ‘the one true Lord Moses served’, why do you keep calling him the one true lord? how do you know he is the true lord? what is not logical is for you to say I don’t know anything about it, but he served the ‘one true lord’.
            I’ve been studying islam for almost 5 years now. I know all about its stupidity. but I’ve been studying Christianity my whole life. see I can walk and chew gum at the same time. it doesn’t have to be an either or thing.

          • luna

            It’s not my opinion, that’s my best guess of how Moses would answer based on my limited understanding.

            Just like Muhammad claimed to be “Allah’s apostle”.

          • mike

            so you don’t believe that moses served the one true god. good.

          • luna

            That’s not what I said.

          • mike

            ok. what are you saying.

        • luna

          What do you think the authors of the Quran were thinking having Muhammad claim that if he were a false prophet he gave his aorta cut, then when he died said he felt his aorta cut?

    • Something is very, very wrong if you think that people either becoming Muslim, becoming atheist, becoming Jewish, becoming Christian, or becoming anything will somehow solve the problems of the world and make sexual abuse no longer a problem. Sexual abuse is chronic due to humanity– as long as there are human beings around, there will be such abuse. It’s pretty damn stupid to pretend that any group has a completely clean history here, like you do.

      • MichaelElwood

        SwiperTheFox wrote: “Sexual abuse is chronic due to humanity– as long as there are human beings around, there will be such abuse. It’s pretty damn stupid to pretend that any group has a completely clean history here, like you do.”

        What’s pretty damn stupid is that you don’t think that that was the point of my comment. My comment was a swipe at the atheist and secular conceit expressed in Marcion’s comment that: “None of these books are good moral guides in 2015.” Hence my comment: “One thing is clear, sex slavery won’t disappear if progressive Christians and Muslims abandon their religions and become atheists (as some atheists have suggested).” Those who are inclined to engage in sexual abuse can be found in every country and in every era. And they will use whatever pretext–secular or religious–to justify it. Atheism and secularism–with all of its grey areas and moral ambiguity–does not offer a panacea.

        My comment was also addressed to people like you who think that: “Mohammed’s closest men, upon the figure’s death, went on themselves to do many things from slave trading to having far underage sex partners to making war all over.”

        Even those with a cursory knowledge of Islamic history know that the men and women closest to Muhammad followed his example of emancipating slaves:

        Al-Bara’ said, “A bedouin came and said, ‘Prophet of Allah! Teach me an action which will enable me to enter the Garden.’ He said, “The question is a broad one, even though you have asked it in only a few words. Free someone. Set a slave free.’ He said, ‘Are they not the same thing?’ ‘No,’ he replied, ‘Freeing someone is setting someone free yourself. Setting a slave free is to contribute to the price of setting him free. . . .”

        http://sunnah.com/adab/2/23

        Malik related to me that Yahya ibn Said said, ”Abd ar-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr died in his sleep, and A’isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, set free many slaves for him.” Malik said, “This is what I like best of what I have heard on the subject.”

        http://sunnah.com/urn/415390

        Narrated `Urwa bin Az-Zubair: `Abdullah bin Az-Zubair was the most beloved person to `Aisha excluding the Prophet (ﷺ) and Abu Bakr, and he in his turn, was the most devoted to her, `Aisha used not to withhold the money given to her by Allah, but she used to spend it in charity. (`Abdullah) bin AzZubair said, ” `Aisha should be stopped from doing so.” (When `Aisha heard this), she said protestingly, “Shall I be stopped from doing so? I vow that I will never talk to `Abdullah bin Az-Zubair.” On that, Ibn Az-Zubair asked some people from Quraish and particularly the two uncles of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) to intercede with her, but she refused (to talk to him). Az-Zuhriyun, the uncles of the Prophet, including `Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad bin `Abd Yaghuth and Al-Miswar bin Makhrama said to him, “When we ask for the permission to visit her, enter her house along with us (without taking her leave).” He did accordingly (and she accepted their intercession). He sent her ten slaves whom she manumitted as an expiation for (not keeping) her vow. `Aisha manumitted more slaves for the same purpose till she manumitted forty slaves. . . .”

        http://sunnah.com/bukhari/61/15

        Narrated Nafi`: `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, “O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)! I vowed to observe I`tikaf for one day during the Prelslamic period.” The Prophet (ﷺ) ordered him to fulfill his vow. `Umar gained two lady captives from the war prisoners of Hunain and he left them in some of the houses at Mecca. When Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) freed the captives of Hunain without ransom, they came out walking in the streets. `Umar said (to his son), “O `Abdullah! See what is the matter.” `Abdullah replied, “Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) has freed the captives without ransom.” He said (to him), “Go and set free those two slave girls. . . .”

        http://sunnah.com/bukhari/57/52

        There’s a reason why so many of the early prominent Muslims–like Zayd ibn Haritha, Umm Ayman, and Bilal ibn Rabah–were former slaves.

        • luna

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

          Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa, Southeast Africa, the Horn of Africa and certain parts of Europe (such as Iberia and Sicily) beginning during the era of the Arab conquests and continuing through the 19th century.[1] The trade was conducted through slave markets in the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, with the slaves captured from Africa’s interior.

          • MichaelElwood

            “During the Middle Ages, Jews acted as slave-traders in Slavonia[76] North Africa,[34] Baltic States,[77] Central and Eastern Europe,[74] Spain and Portugal,[34][74] and Mallorca[78] The most significant Jewish involvement in the slave-trade was in Spain and Portugal during the 10th to 15th centuries.[34][74]

            “Jewish participation in the slave trade was recorded as beginning in the 5th century, when Pope Gelasius permitted Jews to introduce slaves from Gaul into Italy, on the condition that they were non-Christian.[79] In the 8th century, Charlemagne (ƒ 768-814) explicitly allowed Jews to act as intermediaries in the slave trade.[80] In the 10th century, Spanish Jews traded in Slavonian slaves, whom the Caliphs of Andalusia purchased to form their bodyguards.[80] In Bohemia, Jews purchased these Slavonian slaves for exportation to Spain and the west of Europe.[80] William the Conqueror brought Jewish slave-traders with him from Rouen to England in 1066.[70] At Marseilles in the 13th century, there were two Jewish slave-traders, as opposed to seven Christians.[81]

            “Middle Ages historical records from the 9th century describe two routes by which Jewish slave-dealers carried slaves from west to east and from east to west.[79] According to Abraham ibn Yakub, Byzantine Jewish merchants bought Slavs from Prague to be sold as slaves. Similarly, the Jews of Verdun, around the year 949, purchased slaves in their neighborhood and sold them in Spain.[82]

            “Jews continued to own slaves during the 16th through 18th centuries, and ownership practices were still governed by Biblical and Talmudic laws.[22] Myriad Hebrew and other sources indicate that owning slaves—particularly women of Slavic origin—was uniquely prevalent during this period among the Jewish households of the urban centres of the Ottoman Empire.[83]”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery#Post-Talmud_to_1800s

            Keep peddling the hasbara, Luna. There’s gotta some gullible goyim out there who’ll fall for it.

          • luna

            As you are aware the appeal to hypocrisy (tu quoque), is a logical fallacy.

            The point is Islamic State sex slavery is following Islamic traditions. Showing how non-Muslims also participated in slave trade centuries ago does not prove otherwise.

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “As you are aware the appeal to hypocrisy (tu quoque), is a logical fallacy.”

            As you are aware, I addressed this in a previous comment:

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/teachingnonviolentatonement/2015/08/isiss-anti-islamic-theology-of-rape-2/#comment-2203322575

            Luna wrote “The point is Islamic State sex slavery is following Islamic traditions. Showing how non-Muslims also participated in slave trade centuries ago does prove otherwise.”

            The point is that Jewish sex slavery is following Jewish traditions:

            “And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. . . . And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?. . . . Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” [Numbers 31:9-18]

            “And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.” [Deuteronomy 20:13-14]

            “Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.” But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.” [Judges 19-24-25]

            “Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel. . . Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. . . With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew”

            –Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, in 2010)

            Showing how Arabs also participated in the slave trade centuries ago does not prove otherwise.

          • luna

            Are you high?

            Islamic State is committing sex slavery on a massive scale, and you want to blame the Joos!

          • Just Saying

            isn’t moses a great prophet in islam? and are not the orders he is giving from allah?

          • luna

            This is off topic, but I think you should read it since I’m concerned you may be an anti-Semite (Jew hater).

            Top 10 signs you may be a (guardian left) anti-Semite.
            http://ukmediawatch.org/2013/05/22/top-10-warning-signs-you-may-be-a-guardian-left-anti-semite/

          • MichaelElwood

            Luna wrote: “This is off topic, but I think you should read it since I’m concerned you may be an anti-Semite (Jew hater).”

            This may be off topic, but I think you should read it because I’m concerned you may be an Islamophobe:

            “What’s Islamophobia, and Do I Have It? An answer in eight parts”

            http://law.fordham.edu/newsroom/29027.htm

          • luna

            It’s not fear or ignorance, but hatred of evil.

          • Just Saying
  • David

    Thank you brother for your beautifully, inspired and insightful article and those intelligent, thoughtful comments.

    For me most of the time the problems in religion is the ignorance of the religion, be it the Holy Qur’an or the Holy Bible.
    People say they represent and defend a faith that they have not yet acquired themselves. We speak from a conditioned reconditioned contaminated heart and image that Jesus or Muhammad resides there too.

    But they both preached the need for the transformation of the heart.

    A baby has no thought in his mind of rape – satan has to come in to corrupt that child’s heart and soul. Rape has no part in Islam or Christianity, but adiseased heart will come in the guise of one these beautiful faiths ‘ like a wolf in sheeps clothing!’

    We are born in sin and shape in iniquity our hearts have been poisoned by an ungodly media and satanic governance whose purpose is to sow seeds of derision, slander, division and murder among God’s people. We are all in need of a tranformation of the heart – we are all in need of beneficence and much mercy – indeed the divine grace of god.

  • luna

    Moderate Muslim peace conference.
    https://youtu.be/1le8KiPqt5I

  • luna

    Islamic sex slavery is a widespread problem, not limited to Islamic State, and Boko Haram. It is currently practiced in places like Afghanistan, Egypt, Indonesia, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen:
    http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Slavery

  • luna
  • luna

    The Horrifying Fate of Muslim Rape Gang Victims — on The Glazov Gang
    https://youtu.be/aEr3NhFuTPE

  • Thank you, Adam for your unifying article. As a Muslim I deeply appreciate your efforts to write about the true teachings of my faith. May God bless you.

  • Well, okay, look: Just because the majority of Muslims disagree with a viewpoint doesn’t mean that it’s not a part of Islam at all and isn’t Islamic at all. Islam, as a huge set of beliefs held by many different groups through history, is a mosaic. Like other mosaics that you can see, there are multiple elements that have arisen from disparate inspirations. Within the sayings of Mohammed, you have totally different lines of communication for one text versus another, with collections of the ‘Hadith’ often being contradictory depending on the scholar.

    Yes, the ISIS ideology isn’t all of Islam. But it’s not completely outside of it either. Think of it as one set of stones within the larger mosaic, one set within the larger set. Seriously, the world doesn’t have to be put into black-and-white.

  • luna

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games-muslims-play.htm

    Games Muslims Play

    Given Islam’s violent history and the unfavorable contrast of its oppressive practices against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated by novices and even those outside the faith.

    This is a document (which we hope to improve on and expand over time) that exposes some of these games and helps truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous (often blatantly false) claims about Islam and its history.

    Read more here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games-muslims-play.htm

  • luna

    Islamic State ‘selling off the organs of women kept as sex slaves to fund terror attacks’
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/599508/ISIS-Islamic-State-Yazidi-Sex-Slave-Organ-Harvesting-Koran-Muslim-Jihad-Islam

  • luna

    From the Economist:

    Islam and slavery
    The persistence of history
    Islamic State’s revival of slavery, extreme though it is, finds disquieting echoes across the Arab world

    http://www.economist.com/news/international/21661812-islamic-states-revival-slavery-extreme-though-it-finds-disquieting-echoes-across

  • What a stinking pile of PC BS.

    “Mercy and Compassion are so integral to Islam”. Yea.

    And all the head choppers, suicide bombers, acid throwers, machine gun toting girls school shooters, that all claim to be Muslims are really agnostics.

    You will never find enough deceptive whitewash to cover up the reality of the Islamic killing cult.

  • JustARationalGuy

    Like it or not, isis is 100% islamic. They have done nothing that muhammed either didn’t do first, or commanded be done first. I challenge anyone to show me ONE THING that they have done that muhammed didn’t do first.

    “Allah is not a god who justifies rape and murder.”

    Please tell that to muhammed who massacred 600-800 men and boys of the Banu Quraiza. Since muhammed is considered “the perfect man” to muslims, and his actions are to be copied in all things, the massacres that isis has conducted are appropriate because muhammed did them first.
    (Source http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/massmurderer.htm)

    “I have a daughter who will soon be 12.”

    muhammed had sex with aisha when she was 9. muhammed, being “the perfect man” is to copied, therefore, sleeping with girls younger than your daughter is permitted in islam. If islam is so “good” as you claim, put your money where your mouth is, and offer your daughter’s hand in marriage to a 50 year old imam. (Source http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/pedophile.htm )

    muhammed sanctioned torturing people to death. Kinana al-Rabi was tortured to death when he wouldn’t reveal the location of his tribe’s treasure. Since muhammed tortured people to death, and muhammed is to be copied in all things, isis torturing people to death is permissible in islam. (Source http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/torturer.htm)

    “As a Christian with many Muslim friends”

    If they really are “Muslim” then they cannot be your friend. The qur’an commands them “take neither the Jews nor Christians as friends….” (Surah 5:51) There also stories coming out of the Christian and Yezidi refugees that their muslims “friends” turn on them the minute isis rolled into town.

    You also do not believe in allah, as a self-professed Christian, you are at best a dhimmie “person of the book” which is no better than a semi-slave in islam who is there to be insulted and ridiculed as you support islam through the jizyah tax, and at worst, a polytheist to them, and your muslim “friends” having standing orders to kill you (“Kill those who don’t believe in allah… “Surah 9:29, the last surah to be revealed which abrogates all other peaceful passages that came before it,)

    Also, your muslims friends are not authorities on islam, and even if they were, they do not outrank muhammed himself. They cane yell and scream and rant and rave all they want, muhammed said “Kill those who don’t believe in islam…” and “When you meet the unbelievers let them find hardness in you…” in islam, muhammed will always trump any average muslim on the street. Period.

    “Their “theology of rape” has nothing to do with Islam.”

    muhammed himself raped his captives, and kept sex slaves, and allowed his followers to do the same. Therefore what isis is doing is 100% islamic. (source http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm )

    isis is in-line with 1400 years of islamic tradition and established islamic jurisprudence. The fact that you do not like what they are doing and that it disgusts you (Which is a GOOD thing, it shows that you’re not completely lost.) doesn’t negate the fact that they have not done a single un-islamic thing since they came on to the world’s scene.

    You want islam to be something that it is not. You want muhammed to be a nice guy. You don’t want to face the reality that he was an evil, mass-murdering, rapping pedophile, and that islam is pure evil.

  • rlhailssrpe

    As usual, the comments are often more informing than the article. Here is posited a debate that rape is, or is not a fundamental doctrine of Islam. The conflict is debated as whether it is an ancient, abandoned practice, or is a current one, whether it was isolated in time and location, or a universal one, whether it is silently condoned within Islam, or actively confronted. Obtuse (to western readers) writings of the prophet are used by both sides. It is intertwined with the conflicting meaning of Jihad, whether this means a personal, interior struggle for goodness, or a call to arms to kill non believers and apostates, by any means.

    I offer a modern book, by an adult who was born and raised in Egypt, deeply involved in Islamic mores, who has traveled much, married an American and now lives in the US. She testifies that there are many variants within Islam but all accept rape of women, beastial sentences for the rape victim (If she lacks four male witnesses to the crime, she is a whore, worthy of execution) and our concept of a unified marriage/family is almost non existent. Marriage ranges from a legal one night stand to many wives and sex slaves are permitted and extant.

    Cruel and Usual Punishment – Nonie Darwish.

    She points out that modern universal electronic communication will expose and destroy those who lie about basic social conduct.

    The author holds to pacificism as a response to demonic conduct. A laudable philosophy it ignores a demanded, feasible struggle against obvious evil, the conduct of savages, by flawed humans. War is hell, but there are ascending levels.

  • Mona

    The issue is not whether they are doing Islam as per Adam’s friends or not, the issue is that they are not following the teachings of the faith they are claiming to be part of, as much as most Christians would perceive the KKK who hold a cross when they are burning down churches…