Not this Again: Protestants Still Protesting

Not this Again: Protestants Still Protesting February 20, 2016

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I went to a Baptist Church on my own from the age of 8 until I was 14. I began by going to Vacation Bible School with a family friend and then before I knew it, I was walking there by myself every Sunday and Wednesday. I met my husband there, we had our first kiss on the steps of that church and we made up in the baptismal font which I had been baptized in (twice, but they weren’t really baptisms because I had already been baptized Catholic as a baby. But that didn’t stop anyone in the Baptist Church and after that, I was baptized once more in the Pentecostal church. I got that base pretty covered.) and years and years later, he proposed to me on those same steps.

I will always be thankful for everything I learned about Jesus at the First Baptist Church.

When I was young, St. John Paul II was in San Antonio and I remember my youth minster talking about how Catholics were not Christians and that the Pope was the Antichrist. I believed him. Of course I did, I was a kid and he was my youth minister who knew way more than I did plus I trusted him. From that point on, I began to be very anti-catholic. I wanted nothing to do with it at all. I accused my family of worshiping Mary, of being a part of a cult, of being blind sheep and all the typical anti-catholic rhetoric. I even refused to kneel during communion at my grandmother’s funeral mass. Rude.

I know all about what Protestants have to say about Catholics. I can’t believe that in the age of the internet that so many still hold anti-catholic views. In fact, I try to pretend that that doesn’t exist and we are all united in Christ singing songs around a camp fire. Then someone writes an article titled “Why We Don’t Consider Catholics to Be Christian” and well, I can’t ignore it. I was going to ignore it because I have a lot of homework to do and on of my priests will be here for dinner shortly, but then I read it…. so now, I’m mad.

First of all ignoramuses (St. James’ word, not mine), the Bible does not say that we are justified by faith alone. In fact St. James (in his book in the Bible, Chapter 2) says that faith without works is dead. I know, I know, Luther wanted that book taken out along with the other 7 books he got taken out, but he didn’t and it’s still in there. We are justified by Christ. It is by His Passion, Death and Resurrection that we are justified.

Catholics don’t just proclaim Jesus as Lord once in our life either. We do it ever time that we go to Mass or confession or celebrate any other Sacrament. That is what the Sacraments are. We don’t just go to a very interesting service to get fed by an hour long sermon either, we go to be fed by the Body, Blood and Divinity of Jesus Himself who is truly Present in the Eucharist. When we go to Adoration, we sit in front of Him and talk to Him to His Face. We are so Christian that our entire self worships Him at Mass: our minds, souls and bodies (kneel, sit, stand yada yada yada). Everything in our life is centered around Christ: what we eat, when we eat it, when we fast, when we feast, which saint we honor on which day, which saint stalks us, how we celebrate babies being born, when we get married, when we die, when we clean, when we cook and every single every other second of our lives is us saying “Jesus is the Lord of my life”. No, we aren’t always great witnesses of a holy life, but no matter what, our Christianity isn’t something we just wear when it’s convenient. Our Christianity is our way of life, all day erry day. We are soldiers for Christ. Don’t believe me? Look up the Early Church Fathers and martyrs. Read about our Saints. Read their own words and love for Christ.

When it comes to Justification, there is a lot that Catholics and Protestants agree on. In fact, Lutherans and Catholics released a Joint Statement on Justification.  I highly suggest that everyone, Catholic or not, read it. Go read the Bible verses that it references. Pick up a History book while you’re at it too and figure out exactly when each denomination began and when the Bible was put together and which denomination is responsible for the Canon of the Bible. Don’t believe what you are told, research it for yourself. Don’t have WiFi? Then how are you reading this? Exactly, if you can read blog posts, then you can research the History of Christianity.

There are so many other things that I can say about that article but it would require me to keep reading it over and over and I just don’t have time for that. Plus it makes my head explode every single time I read it.

The bottom line is that we all believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God who died for our sins so that we might be saved and live with God forever. That belief makes us Christians and when people want to kill Christians, they do not care about our theological differences at all, all the they are about is if we believe in Jesus, the Son of God. If you want to argue about who is or isn’t a Christian, then maybe you should visit places where Christians are hunted down and see if your theological conviction matters one bit to those hunting you down. Let me know how that works out for you, until then my Catholic ass will be following Jesus side by side with every other Christian, Catholic or not.

 


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  • said she

    Hear, hear!

  • Bob Bethel

    The prophecies of Daniel and Revelation are the reason for the Protestants charge of antichrist is made. It is the Protestant understanding of the Bible, specifically the Historicist approach to viewing these prophecies. Many don’t realize the Futurist view of these prophecies, a product of the Counter-Reformation attack on Historicism and the current view of 99.9% of Protestant churches today, was developed by Jesuits in response to the Reformation, to destroy the influence of this view of prophecy. It has always been about the Bible.

  • Edward Hara

    A lie travels 1000 miles while truth is still putting on its shoes.

    Might as well face it, Leticia, this is never going to stop. And yeah, I get mad as hell at those who keep these lies going because they don’t listen, don’t think, and don’t care.

  • Very sorry my post makes your head explode. However, I would suggest reading it a few more times. There are many other things systematically wrong with the Roman Catholic church, from necromancy to Marian Dogma to unbiblical things like purgatory and the papacy, but the chief and central problem is the denial of salvation by grace through faith alone and replacing it with self-righteous merit-based salvation. It is that problem that makes Catholicism altogether unchristian, and places Catholics under a curse for which they should repent and trust in Christ alone for their salvation. – JD

  • Daniel B

    Leticia, I would like to see you address the main contention, by which I think it is impossible for either side to accept the other as Christian: the Protestant claim of salvation by grace alone through faith alone. The canons of the Council of Trent, which are official Roman Catholic teaching, anathematized anyone who believes justification by faith alone. Hence, it seems to me that consistent Catholics must likewise hold that Protestants who believe in sola fide to be anathema (that is, damned). Both sides must, by their very definitions of justification, hold the other to be outside of true, saving Christian faith. No? And that being the case, I don’t see why you would have a problem with Protestants… well… just being Protestant. If anything, a consistent outworking of the theology of both sides should mean that both groups are trying to convert the other, because neither side believes the other to be saved (or, to put it another way, to be “true Christians”).

  • ME

    Except it doesn’t exactly work that way if one is consistent with the doctrine of Sola fide. If that doctrine is true, then all Catholics should be saved, because they believe in Christ as Lord. As Leticia points out, we profess that all the time. If that is really all there is to it, why would a Protestant need to worry whatsoever about what Catholics believe in addition to that?

  • ME

    As she points out, you’d do yourself a favor by learning what the Catholic church actually teaches. Your accusations about necromancy, and the supposedly unbiblical things are patently false, and are easily disproved by history and the bible. Go find a source like the Church fathers, and do a little research. Make sure you understand what you are accusing Catholics of.

  • ME

    So what exactly is the biblical definition of the anti-Christ? 1 John 2:22 “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
    Pretty simple definition, and by that definition, the Pope cannot be the antichrist. He professes Jesus and the Father as God every single day, and as she points out, in pretty much every moment of the day.

  • Amethystic

    I looked at the other guy’s article, and he seems to be assuming his premise (that you must believe in the Protestant understanding of sola fide to be saved) without giving a compelling argument as to why that’s the case. He doesn’t even cite any scriptural evidence in favor of this belief, he just expects the reader to assume it to be true, because Mormons or something.

    As you pointed out, it’s not just Catholics that hold a contrary doctrine; not only are Lutherans on the same page, but I would say that there are many varieties of Protestants that believe you can lose your salvation, or at the very least that salvation is a little more complicated than sola fide. For example, I went to a church that was pretty typically Protestant, except that this particular denomination believed that you could not be saved unless you were baptized. They still did believer’s baptism, but you weren’t allowed to take communion or considered a full member in the church until you were baptized. Are all members of that particular denomination damned for believing that, that faith alone is not enough to save you? I feel like the types of people that criticize Catholics on this point seldom go after Protestant denominations that are open to the same criticisms.

  • ADG

    I’m just curious JD, how you reconcile your belief about “salvation by grace through faith alone” as opposed to what you call “self-righteous merit-based salvation” with what Jesus has to say in Matthew 25, parable of the sheep and goats? It seems to me that he is very clearly calling for salvation to be based on faith put into action.

  • Christina Martin

    If you would just stop reading the Bible you might understand better. Reading James and the rest of the Bible only proves that you do not have enough faith in faith alone. And it is faith in salvation by faith alone that saves, not Jesus.

  • Edward Hara

    1. No such thing as necromancy in the Catholic faith. Necromancy means speaking to or attempting to contact the dead. Those who have died in the faith are not dead. They are in Christ, and therefore, very much alive. Not only that, they are part of the same Body of which we are a part, therefore we can contact them and request their aid.

    2. The man, Jesus of Nazareth, is the Last Adam (1 Corin. 15: 45). This is a very important title with great meaning. It means that as a man, Jesus has taken the place of our father, Adam, and the destruction done by the Fall has been cured. Adam is replaced and mankind is reunited to God through the new federal headship of Jesus.

    But what of Eve? If only our human father, Adam, is replaced, then the destruction which the Fall did in the Garden is yet undone. Mary is the New Eve, just as Jesus is the Last Adam. As such, She is the Mother of all who are truly alive in Christ. Our honor for Her is honor for our Mother, which is one of the Commandments, isn’t it?

    3. I am convinced that all who die will be purged in the next life. Salvation is about being made to be like Christ, not about some false Protestant concept called “forensic justification” which was made up by two lawyers – Luther and Calvin. Whatever is not like Christ our God in the next life will be changed by being purged away. Thus we will be changed into His image and likeness so that we can enjoy union with Him forever.

    4. Salvation is indeed by grace alone through faith, but salvation is not eternal life. Eternal life is the covenant reward which is given to all faithful children at the end of their lives. That is why John 5:28-29, Rev. 20:12-14, Romans 2: 5-10, and Matthew 25: 31-46 all describe the Last Judgment as the place where those who have done good works and been faithful to the end, receive the reward of eternal life for those good works. You better go back and do more study of the Bible. And while you are at it, ask God to take off your Protestant Presuppositional lenses so that you can see what is really written there.

  • saltofearth

    Let me preface first. As a Lutheran I countered my wife’s Baptist family who had been taught Catholics were not Christian. They have learned that. Now let’s take some haughty out of that Cathlic ass of yours and look each other in the eye…and talk. Yes Luther wanted to take James out because he had such a bad experience with some screwed up thinking of that time which stated that you had to do works or pay for indulgences to get your loathsome, sinful ass out of purgatory. God was an angry, spiteful, and judgmental God! Luther saw the horrible abuse of the people with these teachings. When he went to Rome he saw priests getting laid in whore houses that catered to them! The salesman for the pope, Tetzel was pushing indulgences hard so they could build a cathedral and fill the church coffers. He preyed on the poor and ignorant…. Something was amiss!

    When he heard those words of salvation by faith… The righteous shall live by faith… And similar word those words Luther found hope…peace… He had to spread the good news! God is love…God is for you! With about 500 years to reflect we can have a different view of James but for Luther those words were a contradiction to the good news in the rest of scripture. Now we can read him and realize that faith is not a head thing… It is a life changing thing. It moves you to give up of yourself and be moved to serve. It causes you to not accept some politics which makes you an outcast or oddball in the bible belt of West Texas…but for Luther all he could see was the hell it caused him to live before he discovered grace and a loving God.

    Now you are my sister in faith. I understand your anger towards those who told you that Catholics are not Christian but get your angry ass off your high horse when it comes to Luther. I think that if Pope Francis and Brother Martin had been contemporaries and shared some pub time that the face of Western Christianity would look different. Now that Pope Francis has served communion, the body and blood to Lutheran pastors, I invite him to come back to America and visit with Bishop Elizabeth Eaton and receive the body and blood from her. I don’t see a division in the banquet table in heaven… Why should it exist here?
    Grace and Peace!

  • Bob Bethel

    Are you familiar with the Protestant Reformation? Do you know anything about Historicism?

  • Rosie

    The “anathemas” – excommunications – of Trent are only applicable to Catholics who reject the Church’s teachings. They do not apply to someone who was never in full communion with the Catholic Church in the first place.
    You are correct that Catholics ought to br evangelizing Protestants. However, there are also so many Catholics that need to be evangelized as well. The heart of the Reformation was to strip the churches of the altars and turn the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass into an intellectual exercise rather than a mysterious partaking in the mysteries of our redemption. Without the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus in the Eucharist, the source and summit of the Christian faith is missing. The heart of Catholic evangelization is the what our Lord Himself said: [Jesus said to them,] “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

  • Scott Winter-Walker

    The division over Protestantism is not over the Mother Church, but the Papacy. The doctrine of Christ makes the legitimacy of the Papacy impossible. Apart from it (and in despite of it) the Church is sublime.

  • John Tyrrell

    Why should you be surprised? Anyone who follows Patheos has probably seen anti-Protestant views from some Catholic writers. Why can’t the antipathy be mutual?

    In any event, the dislike between some Catholics and some Protestants is relatively insignificant when compared with the hatred of some Protestants for other Protestants and some Catholics for other Catholics – generally along the conservative liberal divide.

  • cashback

    Bible Fact is that the Roman Catholic church is Mystery Babylon mother of all harlots and abominations of the Earth Rev 17 & 18 , and God has Called His people out of her Rev 18;4. if you accept that she is a church is the ONLY CHURCH which Jesus did not rebuke and tell to repent but WARNED HIS PEOPLE to QUIT HER . We tell those that are catholic to be saved and leave mystery babylon as God has Ordered

  • Edward Hara

    I remember feeling and thinking just as you do now. The problem was that I was completely unfamiliar with the history of the Christian faith, that I read far too many Chick tracts and books of anti-Catholic distortions and outright lies, and that I didn’t take the trouble to actually investigate the truthfulness of the statements I was hearing from various sources.

    You honestly don’t have a leg upon which to stand, but like me, you are probably so scared that you will go to hell that you won’t even listen to the truth regarding the Catholic faith. Your distortions of the faith are comfortable for you and you believe you are in the truth, even though the denomination you belong to is probably less than 500 years old and cannot be found in the first century at all.

    Your hermeneutics also need a good brushing up. Revelations is not about some mythological “Rapture of the Church” complete with the beast and anti-Christ. Good theological efforts by Protestants have even confirmed that this was speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, along with the passages in Matthew 24 which you believe to be speaking of the “Rapture.”

    The real problem is that you anti-Catholic types won’t listen when someone gives you good, solid reasoning for the faith once delivered to the saints. The faith that existed in the very beginning was eucharistic, sacramental, and had a specific hierarchy established by Christ Himself, that is, the Apostles. It was they who guided the Church in the first century and left it to men who came to call it “katholicos” (which means universal).

    Mystery Babylon? You do know that the man who wrote that book, Alexander Hislop (The Two Babylons) has been thoroughly debunked as a nutcase, a man of less than honest scholarship and a poor grasp of historical fact. You should look into this stuff before you post it because it makes you look silly to those of us who know better.

  • cashback

    There is power in the blood of the lamb to help you break free from Mystery babylon mother of all harlots and abominations of the Earth my dear use it. Even those that are not religious in anyway will tell you pedophilia is not of Christ, how you can still say romanism is ok is beyond me. You see Rev 17 & 18 that gives us a photofit of this harlot woman who the prophet Zechariah saw in

    Zechariah 5:5-11 and has now placed herself in the End time setting of the Vatican ( 7 hills of Rome etc) God has called HIs people out of her Rev 18:4 we can only assume that those that remain in her are not of God and will share her end. Hallelujah. If you are of God why still sit there and argue with the Word of God..like i said there is power in the Blood of the Lamb to break her hold over you . USE IT