'Love Wins'— The Fallout Begins

In what may be the first of many such repercussions a United Methodist minister in my home conference (North Carolina) has been reassigned after having posted a blog post supporting the argument about Hell in Rob Bell’s Love Wins. The Rev. Chad Holtz, a student pastor finishing his degree at Duke Divinity School, was not fired or dismissed by  Bishop Gwinn, but he was asked to leave by the congregation of Morrow’s Chapel in Henderson N.C. after violating an agreement with the congregation by posting a blog post on Bell’s book on his personal blog.   There had been issues before in regard to several of his other blog posts during his 3 years at the church, and this was apparently the straw that broke the camel’s back.

You can find the whole story at www.umc.org. Look for the  March 25th article by Heather Hahn.

  • http://jmsmith.org JM

    Here’s another link, including links to an online debate Chad and I had regarding same-sex behavior and Scripture:

    http://www.examiner.com/methodist-in-national/um-pastor-chad-holtz-dismissed-for-theological-blog-posts

    Chad’s got a good heart and is a friend and brother in Christ…I think in this case (and on the sexual ethics issue) he has imbibed some sloppy theology. Lift him and his family up in prayer; he has much to offer the Body of Christ otherwise.

  • http://defeatingdefeaters.wordpress.com/ Jonathan Deundian

    Yikes! Don’t ask don’t tell?

  • http://www.oscarsflickpicks.com Oscar

    Chad may have a good heart and just may have a lot to offer the Body, but if, at this stage in his nascent theological career, he cannot even discipline his words in the hearing of elders then it is questionable what paths he may wander down further on in years.

    For this same reason we do not let teenagers vote or purchae alcohol. Most may be able to handle the responsibility but, more often than not, many would cast doubt on the majority because of their lack of maturity.

    Don’t get me wrong here, I am not suggesting that Chad is immature. I am just analogizing the situation. He IS a minister in training and how he handles the responsibility NOW is usually a good indicator of future judgment. I hope and pray that he realizes his words put him in this position and learns from it.

  • Richard

    Interesting that one of the previous “controversies” was his concern over patriotic displays in the worship service. While Chad may or may not be in the wrong regarding posting “controversial” material (what a nebulous word), it seems that both sides have handled this with dignity thus far. That’s a mark of both Chad’s maturity and the maturity of the congregation thus far.

  • Bobbie

    In reference to the book “Love Wins,” I understand Mr. Witherington has disputed this theory by going through each chapter of the book. I want to say that I don’t think the author of the book (which I have not read as of yet) isn’t stating that he knows for sure there is no hell; I just think he is interpreting “hell” in a different light. I don’t think people have to necessarily look at everything in the bible as “literal.” I’m surprised that someone as educated as you still embraces and supports the literal messages in the bible. Studies show that individuals with higher IQ’s question things and just because someone says it’s so, doesn’t mean that it is. I would encourage you to be more open to other possibilities and interpretations. Everything isn’t always black and white. And, the bottom line is, that no one really knows for sure what is in the after life. Faith is great and so is belief. You can have all the faith and beliefs that you want–more power to you. What you believe is truth could be truth for you (William James), at least while you are here on earth. And, those beliefs will dictate your behavior as well. It doesn’t mean, however, that it will change the reality of what awaits you after you die.

  • sean

    To say that in the end everyone ends up in Heaven with God, is essentially saying that Christ’s death and resurrection was not necessary. Paul spent a great deal of time emphasizing the sufficiency of Jesus’s sacrifice to all believers. I cannot emphasize enough how we need to be immersed in scripture so that we do not become part of the elect that fall away due to errant teaching. Jesus taught on Heaven AND hell several times, never once did He allude to His Father granting citizenship in Heaven to all. He was very specific when He said “no one comes to The Father, but by Me”. The world is trying to obfuscate the truth by enticing believers away from sound doctrine. The idea that everyone will end up in Heaven is simply another way that the prophecy is being fulfilled.

    2 Timothy 4:3 (NKJV)
    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
    4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

  • laverta

    Sean, thank you for focusing us back on what is written in the Holy Bible..

  • Jason Geraci

    @Sean, please read the book before posting your opinion. Actually, even if everyone gets into heaven, Jesus’ death was still necessary. It just means that his death on the cross was actually so powerful that everyone gets saved from their sins instead of just American Christianity.

    Jesus was a Torah observant, Jewish, Rabbi. Let that sink in for a minute.

  • Ben Witherington

    Actually, Jesus was not a rabbi. He was a sage and a prophet. And in fact as Mark 7 makes clear, he believed the new covenant was on its way, and some parts of Torah would become obsolete.

    BW3

  • Jason Geraci

    BW3, Jesus was a Rabbi.

    And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he said, “Rabbi, what is it?” (Luke 7:40)
    A lawyer asked him a question to test him: “Rabbi, what is the greatest commandment in the Torah?” (Matthew 22:35-36)
    And behold, a [rich] man came up to him and said, “Rabbi, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?” (Matthew 19:16)
    And someone in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, order my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” (Luke 12:13)
    And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, rebuke your disciples.” (Luke 19:39)
    Some of the Sadducees came up to him…and they asked him, saying, “Rabbi….” (Luke 20:27-28)

    He had a “yoke,” which was the way a Rabbi described his teachings.
    Matt 11:29-30.

  • sean

    @Jason, if everyone gets into Heaven then why does Jesus say that we are not to fear man who can only destroy the body, but to fear Him who can destroy both the body and the soul in hell? Sounds like it is pretty ‘black and white’ to me. There are too many times where Jesus and scripture tells of separating the sheep from the goats to not believe in a literal hell. It sounds like the world is trying to merge the notion of purgatory with this ‘new’ doctrine. The word clearly states the man is destined to die once, then the judgement. I am not finding where there are re-trials. Jesus told the disciples that they should not rejoice that the demons are subject to them, rather to rejoice that their names WERE written in heaven. The Master was very specific in His answer. He did not say that their names would eventually be written, He said that they WERE written.

    As to the comment re; American Christians, I fear most for Christians in countries like ours who have almost no price to pay for their beliefs. There are so many who think they are because they attend church, only God knows for sure. Attending church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

    I have read enough of the book to realize that it does not stand up to the light of scripture, the premise of everyone ending up in heaven makes it too convenient for people who want to live their lives in dissipation knowing that it does not matter. It is precisely this type of false teaching that we are to beware of. This teaching is contrary to so much of the Bible that I am amazed that any would follow it. It attempts to negate the reality of judgement.

    Revelation 20:11 (NKJV)
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
    13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
    14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Not seeing any room for debate, mistrial, or do-overs. As for me, I will rely on God’s word, not man’s.

  • Chris Paytas

    “I have read enough of the book to realize that it does not stand up to the light of scripture, the premise of everyone ending up in heaven makes it too convenient for people who want to live their lives in dissipation knowing that it does not matter.”

    This presumes that the Holy Spirit plays no part in the transformation work of believing in the resurrected Christ.

    “Attending church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.”

    Living a good moral life doesn’t make you a Christian any more than abstaining from unhealthy activities ensures a long life.

    Biblical scholarship is lacking for sure but I fear far more people have just enough biblical knowledge to consider themselves theologians. I find the latter to far more damaging to the American Church than the former.

  • Jason Geraci

    Chris…very well said.

    @Sean…yeah, you don’t know what you are talking about.

  • Jason Geraci

    @Sean…you also must have not read the part of the book where Rob asserts that living the way that Jesus called us to live (loving people) is just a better way to live. You are allowed to believe how you choose to, but as far as your examples of scripture, they don’t support your argument as well as you think they do

  • sean

    Living the way Jesus called is paramount to the evidence of a transformed heart. As true believers the outpouring of love is part of how we show our faith by our works (James 2:18). I do not need anyone other than Jesus and the Holy Spirit to assert that we need to love others.

    I believe what can be clearly shown with scripture. The examples given are only a very small portion of numerous scriptures dealing with the subject at hand. I prefer to test all teaching by the word. When ‘new’ teaching falls short of biblical accuracy, it is our responsibility to point it out.

    @Chris, I do not understand how your statement regarding the Holy Spirit is even relevant. What exactly in my statement says that the Holy Spirit has no role in belief?

    Bottom line is that the world is constantly looking for the ‘feel good’, rainbows and butterflies Christianity, they want something that has no absolutes, sorry to say but there are absolutes. There is a morally right and wrong. Watering down the Word of God to make it into a feel good ‘philosophy’ has been going on for a long time. What a novel idea to comfort those of us who have had loved ones die in an unsaved state than to imagine that in the end God is going to allow everyone in Heaven.

    You too are allowed to believe how you wish. I will always believe the Bible first and foremost. As Paul wrote “let God be true and every man be a liar”

  • chris paytas

    Sean,

    “I do not need anyone other than Jesus and the Holy Spirit to assert that we need to love others. ”

    So…you don’t listen to anyone about how to be more like Christ? You don’t attend a church? When dialoging with other believers you never take advice on how to live out your faith more effectively? Or is just Rob Bell that you refuse to listen to?

    @Chris, I do not understand how your statement regarding the Holy Spirit is even relevant. What exactly in my statement says that the Holy Spirit has no role in belief?”

    You implied that people can live how every they want if there is no Hell. Which logically means (from your perspective) that Hell is the motivator for people being Holy. Salvation and sanctification are acts of God and the Holy Spirit. If someone believes on the resurrected Christ, then the Holy Spirit is at work. Belief or non-belief in Hell doesn’t change that.

    “There is a morally right and wrong. Watering down the Word of God to make it into a feel good ‘philosophy’ has been going on for a long time.”

    I don’t recall anyone arguing otherwise. Your continued assumptive responses do little to engender conversation and dialog. It’s hard to box a straw-man. :)

    “You too are allowed to believe how you wish. I will always believe the Bible first and foremost. As Paul wrote ‘let God be true and every man be a liar’ ”

    I’m going to be charitable and assume that you aren’t questioning my ability to properly understand the Word of God or my faithfulness to it. That will help in dialoging. Unless you have no desire to do that. But I should remind you, since you are so certain about following scripture, that you are always “prepared to give an answer for the hope that lies within you….but do this GENTLENESS and RESPECT”. I’ve seen little of that (sans BW3 review) in most of the reviews about “Love Wins”.

  • chris paytas

    My apologies for my grammatical errors. Typing out whole responses on my phone is difficult. :)

  • barobin

    @ Jason Geraci

    The term rabbi has two usages: 1) a title for a respected person or teacher and 2) a title for a teacher of the Law. In the sense that Dr. Witherington is denying Jesus being a rabbi is my point 2). Jesus was not a teacher of the Law for the reasons Dr. Witherington already stated: “he believed the new covenant was on its way, and some parts of Torah would become obsolete.” You can’t be a teacher of the Law if you hold it to be obsolete.

  • barobin

    ps: Jesus also never took on the vocational training under the various sects of Rabbi’s.

  • sean

    Chris, so far I have seen no scriptural backing whatsoever regarding the opinion that all will eventually be in Heaven. Speak of boxing a straw man, other than alluding that you believe God brings everyone to Heaven, you have provided no scripture.

    I have not attacked anyone in refuting the views that Mr Bell is conveying, I will not be swayed by teaching that not Biblical. If disagreeing is considered not answering with gentleness and respect then please forgive me.

    The Word is clear on the issue of Heaven and Hell. Debate is pointless without the backing of scripture. I have provided scriptural foundation for what I believe. I am eager to have you do the same.

  • Jason Geraci

    @barobin…then what was Jesus doing in the Temple when his Mom came looking for him?

    Jesus, much like every Jewish boy, wanted to be a Rabbi. Jesus was vocationally trained and was considered a Rabbi in the same way we view it now. Americans want to make Jesus be more “Westernized” or “Progressive.” It is a false representation of who he was.

    You can debate this point with me, but it would mean Jesus wasn’t a normal, Jewish kid. You can make a choice to believe the historical account or not. The great thing about truth is, it’s true whether you believe it or not.

    @Sean, using scripture to prove your point is how you were taught to argue. We all were. The problem is not with your arguments, its with the translation of scripture and your view of it being the ultimate standard of truth. The translation of the Bible into American English is embarrassing at best.

    We also must remember that the writers of the Bible all had agendas.

  • Ben Witherington

    Jason there were no rabbis of any sort before A.D. 70. None. Rabbi is just the Hebrew for my teacher, literally, my great one. There were plenty of teachers, but no rabbis in the later post 120 A.D. sense. And Jesus did not teach at all like later rabbis. He doesn’t cite other teachers ever. As for what he was doing in the Temple, he was replying to other teachers, and giving impressive answers.

  • sean

    @Jason, either we believe that scripture is the Word of God or we do not. Since you have supplied not even one verse to back your position then I am convinced that there is no scriptural evidence to support your position.

    It is very sad that some people have been granted exposure to so many in our society and then are leading them astray of God’s plan and His truth. I will pray that the Holy Spirit will guide those who are following this errant teaching to the WHOLE truth of scripture.

  • Chris Paytas

    @Sean,

    I had a huge pithy response worded precisely for you. My intent was to post it here and have you marvel at my linguistic prowess as I verbally eviscerated you with “ten cent” words and sarcasm. Adeptly placed so as to awaken your sub-conscious into knowing that you don’t stand a snowballs chance in Gehenna, Hades, or Sheol of winning this debate. But then I got bored or maybe convicted or perhaps just tired of the debate. I’m really not sure what caused my change of heart. Doesn’t really matter. I guess it’s only important that my heart was changed. It was changed before I let my pride get the best of me. That’s the funny thing about pride…it makes you believe you are the best and exposes you to be the worst. Time and time again I’ve been exposed as the worst in the trenches of the “blog” war.

    So I’ve officially surrendered. Surrendered, not to be taken over by my perceived enemy, rather I’ve surrendered to my Savior. I don’t need to battle anymore about who has the best theology or the proper understanding of scripture or whose getting into Heaven or who’s destined for Hell. I trust that God knows. I also trust that God knows where my heart is. Honestly that’s where my be biggest battle lies. Within my heart…it’s deceitful and tells me I’m better than I really am. So tonight I will rest. I will surrender to my Savior and let Him fix my heart. Let Him love me. Hopefully one day I will love others like He loves me. Hopefully that will cause others to want there hearts fixed by Him as well. After all “Love wins”.

  • sean

    @Chris, all I am asking for is a scriptural reference. I don’t care about a battle of words. Let’s say I am a seeker looking to find a reason to believe what you do. Is there anything in scripture that I can look to in support of what you say? A simple and basic thing to ask. How can I or anyone find a foothold in this teaching, without a reference? Please don’t shy away from something you apparently firmly believe in.

  • Jason Geraci

    @Chris, thanks for the perspective…I needed it.

    @Sean…”seekers” don’t need scriptural references, they need to be loved.

    @BW3…I know your expertise is in NT, Greek culture. I am going to have to agree to disagree with you. I guess that is what is great about truth, it’s true whether you believe it or not.

    Thankfully as Chris said, “love wins”

  • Luke Allison

    Jason Geraci,

    I’m awaiting your response to Dr. Witherington regarding your view of Jesus’ Jewishness. I believe your belief so far has been influenced by teachers like Ray Vanderlaan, who have come under some scrutiny for their misunderstandings of 2nd Temple Judaism as opposed to Medieval Judaism.

    Dr. Witherington has suggested Jacob Neusner, among others, as a source for better understanding 2nd Temple Judaism and its relation to Jesus.

    You have so far been very smug with Sean, who apparently represents a large portion of Christians in desiring to wrestle with the Scriptures instead of wrestling with moral and philosophical convictions. What is your response to Dr Witherington? Please do so in a similar amount of smugness. I for one would be interested to see what transpires.

  • Luke Allison

    Oops, and there it is. How can you “agree to disagree” with a fact?

  • Chris Paytas

    @Sean,

    Not shying, surrendering.

    What I wrote above is actually what I feel today. No matter what I write, no matter what I think, no matter what I feel is going to dissuade those who have their answers. I firmly believe today, more so than yesterday, that most of what I write on blogs about theology God calls “idle chatter about endless genealogies”. I’m deeply convicted of this today.

    Grace and peace to you!

  • Jason Geraci

    @Luke…enjoy the wait my friend.

  • Luke Allison

    Jason,

    Luckily I have this Kindle copy of “Love Wins” for the time being.

  • http://freedomcatchthespirit Robert Sinnamon

    Dear Glen,
    On March 22, I discovered Glen Beck on the Fox new channel for the first time. I believe you had started a series on good verses evil. The USA being good and those peoples that promotes chaos as evil, namely the likes of Cudahy. I was happy to hear you use three words from the Bible to describe good; faith, hope and charity. You defined evil as chaos, fear, repression and lawlessness. Your bigger picture was the nations that know Christ opposing evil nations that do not recognize Christ. You pointed out that the USA was founded on biblical principles. I was stirred by your passion and boldness to frame the situation the way you did, thus this letter.
    However, you may not know or give the proper weight to the fact that all wrong doing is sin and sin is evil because evil is defined as anything that harms you, 1John5:17. 1Thess5:21 – “Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil”. The root of evil is not uncovered by the witnessing of its symptoms just like a headache is most often a signal to bring attention to a bigger problem in the body. Most Americans use drugs to alleviate the signals that would tell them that something is hurting them. They never overcome the problem of chaos inside them and when combined with drugs they hasten the day when they too will become people that do violent acts of evil. Thus Americans and all peoples of the world are becoming the very people that they would classify as evil doers, Isa29:13-14. On the other hand, people following this evil path often try to do many good things to convince themselves and others that they are good. But God says “I desire compassion not sacrifice” and tells us to go and learn what this means, Matt9:11-13. It was the Pharisees that Jesus told this to because they were giving away their spices or in your case bags of groceries to the poor but neglecting the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness, Matt23:23. The ignorant would argue that it makes no cense because giving something away to someone in need is showing compassion and mercy. Jesus was just pointing out that there was something else, which was even more important, that they needed to look after, and that the law had instructed them to do, as well as what they were doing. Jesus goes on to tell them that it was something inside them that they needed to show these things to, Matt 23:25-28. God tells us in Hos4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” and because we have rejected knowledge he will also reject us from being His priest.
    It will take a man with the spirit of Elijah to bring knowledge (science) to unlock Jesus’ statements. That is why God sends two witnesses, just before He returns for His bride, to measure the body so all will truly see the root of their problem, Rev11:1-3. Some choose to believe and act by faith and many will dismiss it as false doctrine, 2Thes2:10-11. The actions of rectifying the root problem will complete the requirements of the law; justice, mercy, faithfulness in a blanket of compassion, rather than giving something to God from a heart that is hostile towards obedience. Jesus told us “Unless your righteousness surpasses the Pharisees you will in no way enter the kingdom of heaven”, Matt5:20.
    You asked the question, “What has happened to America and its people”. The simple answer is that they were never taught the practical steps to complete repentance because Christ was not going to entrust Himself to them until something was remove from inside them, John2:23-25.
    You see, “God has chosen the foolish things of this world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen the things that are not, that he might nullify the things that are, that no man should boast before God”, 1Cor1:27. This is a riddle that can and will only be revealed to little child or those who have follow Jesus by faith, through actions of regeneration. In other words they had to come before they knew the answers of how it could happen, Matt18:3. Jesus said to the Father “I praise Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that Thou didst hide these things from the wise and intelligent and didst reveal them to babes”, Matt11:25. “For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believed” 1Co1:21.
    Let me give you the simple truth of what the Bible is talking about and then liken it to the job that needed to be accomplished in the second world war to rid the world of an evil axes.
    The people in world do not know who they are and what they look like from a biological stand point. The Lives of a Cell – Lewis Thomas “A good case can be made for our nonexistence as entities. We are not made up, as we had always supposed, of successively enriched packets of our own parts. We are shared, rented, occupied. At the interior of our cells, driving them, providing the oxidative energy that sends us out for the improvement of each shining day, are the mitochondria, and in a strict sense they are not ours. They turn out to be little separate creatures, the colonial posterity of migrant prokaryocytes, probable primitive bacteria that swam into ancestral precursors of our eukaryotic cells and stayed there. Ever since, they have maintained themselves and their ways, replicating in their own fashion, privately, with their own DNA and RNA quit different from ours. They are as much symbionts as the rhizobial bacteria in the roots of beans. Without them, we would not move a muscle, drum a finger, think a thought.”
    We do not know that close to 50% of their dry body weight is not of their DNA and is completely foreign to us. This essential separate creatures that are in every cell in your body work as the engines that combines glucose and oxygen to produce energy needed for the cell to do it job and to maintain its integrity. Some cells have but one of them and other can have as many as 500. I see in God’s word that the mitochondria have been set up by the Creator to work on a seven day cycle. That is, it produces the energy so your body can move to accomplish what your brain has commanded for six days and then it must be given a day of complete rest. In this 36 hour resting time it is not to be asked to process any food or water or be asked to supply energy to exert our mussels. This cycle when followed will maintain your levels at what ever depleted level you are currently functioning at. It would have been wonderful if our parents had demonstrated this simple truth before us and at age 20 we could have followed their example of the abundant life. The truth is that most of us are over 50 and have never rested a day in our lives and therefore our cells are operating with far less than what is needed to maintain health and ward off disease. The Creator knew we would have a need to rebuild our run down bodies so He designed these creatures to replenish their ranks by longer consecutive days of rest. God set out four times in one year with resting for seven days or you can fast track with forty days like Mosses or the people of Nineveh. You should be able now to understand when Jesus says “Power is perfected in weakness”. As energy is restored the first order of business is to expel the parasites and pollutants that are making us sick and are keeping us from returning to God true worship from a heart that has been circumcised. After our incredible engineering has overcome that which is hurting us (evil) it will be time to start to rebuild the damage parts of our body. This is the practicality of what repentance looks like and to follow Jesus in regeneration.
    Let us say that the world is our body and in 1940, Hitler builds an evil war machine and the world is content to look on and use it energy to enjoy life. Evil corrupts and begets more evil and before long all of Germany is under his power of evil. After several neighboring countries have been swallowed and brought under his control the world wakes up to the fact that despite what he says he is out to dominate the complete world. The countries that stand for good come together to work as one against this killing machine, all people’s lives are now centered on fighting or building the hardware needing to combat this threat. The good guys deploy millions of fighting man and millions of motorized equipment into the theater of operations. But the simple facts are that men and machinery need energy to keep advancing and with out simple knowledge, of how to keep the tanks, airplanes, ships and all the other motorized machinery in good working order, the good guys are stalled out. Can you imagine if the fighting men filled the fuel tanks but never believed their instructor when he told them to monitor and maintain the proper oil level in the engine? Or to change the air filter regularly? If that operator refused to understand the practical workings of the combustible engine that drives and powers his hardware he would have sold the replacement oil and filters on the black market and spend the money on himself. He did not try to advance his personal life at the direct expense of the life of his engine because through his faithful actions the power was supplied to meet his objectives. If the commander was completely unable to grasp the technical workings of his engine then he had better move by faith through the one who designed it. The war was won because these fighting man were trained and had the knowledge to know that without giving that engine oil it would stop running and die; cause and effect. It did not mater that they had all the other elements the engine needed on hand if the engine was seized. Can you imagine the disgrace that would have come on the designer of the engine if, at the height of the battle, their engines failed? The glory for the architect is putting his engine to the test and having it come through in the fight!
    Their objective was to drive out or kill off the evil oppressors that ruled by way of lawlessness, chaos and fear. This evil did tremendous damage to many cities and homes and after this evil was purged they started the massive job of rebuilding. It was the understanding of how things work and taking care of the seemingly insignificant details that allowed the good guys to triumph over evil.
    If we are going to triumph over evil in the world we had better know where it comes from and how it starts. Charity starts at home and your home is your body. We were all placed here to glorify God by taking our bodies into the fight against evil to demonstrating and showcase His wonderful engineering. If we cannot comprehend the seemingly insignificant details on how we produce and maintain life giving energy then I suggest we move by faith until God reveals Himself to you. We need to have someone teach us from our manual (Bible) how we operate, where to get the Oil for our lamps and how to know we are on the road to perfecting holiness because if we do this, the same manual is bound, by its words, to deliver all the promises of the bountiful blessing of God.
    I like Fox news and people like you because I can work with people who are committed to finding and sharing truth and not worried about if it is palatable or that it exposes those who have been exploiting our ignorance. The Christian community so far will have nothing to do with this message but God will not blindside anybody and all His secrets are meant to be revealed, Luke8:16-18, Col1:25-27, Col2:3 . Someone is going to discover this simple truth that unlocks and lays bear the secrets of God’s word and it could very well be Glen Beck.
    I am not a preacher or a scholar or a writer. I am just a farmer who followed Christ, by faith, down a path of weakness, because God word says that power in perfected in weakness, 2Cor12:9.
    Your witness in Christ,
    Robert V. Sinnamon 403-358-5717 http://www.freedoncatchthespirit.com rsinnamon@hotmail.com

  • Joshua

    Dr. Witherington,

    I am curious about your point of view in regards to this dismissal. Can you share?

  • Joshua

    Rephrasing…he was asked to resign.


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