Women and the Ministry Part Two

  • Nwheeler Kh

    Really enjoyed this. Just one question-What about at the end of the Timothy passage where Paul says “For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. (1 Timothy 2:13-15 NASB)

  • Benw333

    Actually, that’s a pretty bad translation of that bit. The last sentence reads ‘but woman will be saved through the childbearing’ which is referring to the birth of Jesus by Mary, not to some promise of safety in childbearing in general. Secondly, Mary reverses the curse brought about by Eve. Thirdly, the verb deceived refers to the fact that like the Ephesian woman Paul is dealing with, Eve was not properly instructed by Adam. He alone was present when the commandment not to eat of that tree was given, and it was his responsibility to properly inform her which he didn’t. The point is that women must be properly instructed before they seek to teach others, including men like Adam. What Paul is saying to these high status women is ‘I am not now permitting you to teach much less usurp authority over the existing male teachers. You must first be silent and submissive to the teaching— listen and learn.

  • http://twitter.com/raddestnerd ronald suk

    Thank you Dr. BWIII. I’ve been wanting this kind of teaching for a while; I had long ago out-grown my conservative upbringing in this particular issue, but I’d been looking for an academic/theological/biblical apologetic that could confirm what I felt, and what seemed to me, by the Spirit, to be the truth: Jesus has made all of us equal in him!

  • Patrick

    That passage in I Timothy about Eve being deceived is the sole passage that still causes me to wonder about this issue strictly relating to pastors. I wish Dr Witherington would address that one.

    In the past, I had assumed that was Paul’s logic for why women shouldn’t be pastors.

  • Benw333

    Actually I have done so at considerable length. See Letters and Homilies for Hellenized Christians Volume One.


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