What Do Coptic Christians Believe?

What is the difference between Coptic Christians and Christians in other parts of the world?  Are there major doctrinal differences?  Why do they seem to suffer more persecution than most Christians in the world do?

Coptic Christians are Christians as far as their beliefs are held. The fact that they are Christians and living in a predominantly Muslim part of the world is reason enough for them to be persecuted more than most Christians in the West.

What is a Coptic Christian?

Who or what is a Coptic Christian? Maybe you’ve heard of them and if so, you probably heard about them being persecuted.  A Coptic Christian is called “Coptic” because this is the Afro-Asiatic language of the Copts, which survives only as a liturgical language of the Coptic Church. Others define Coptic as “Egyptian” so a Coptic Christian could be called an Egyptian Christian or a Christian in the Middle East or Afro-Asiatic region.  Coptic Christians are Christians as far as their beliefs are held. The fact that they are Christians and living in a predominantly Muslim part of the world is reason enough for them to be persecuted more than most Christians in the West.  The Coptic’s are believed to have originated in the city of Alexandria, Egypt.  John Mark, the author of the gospel of Mark and believed to be one of the earliest of the four gospels, is thought to be the founder of the Coptic Christian Church.  Although John Mark wrote this gospel, the vast majority of biblical scholars firmly believe it is actually Peter’s gospel with Mark being the author of it.  This is the same John Mark that traveled throughout the Asiatic region with Paul and Barnabas so it is not beyond belief that John Mark may have went to Alexandria and planted a church there.

What do Coptic Christians Believe?

The fact that they rely so much on the gospel of Mark reveals that they believe in the divinity of Christ.  They believe in the resurrection and the miracles of Christ.  They believe in the bodily ascension of Christ and that He was the sinless Messiah and will come again to gather together the Body of Believers worldwide and take them into the Kingdom of Heaven.  The Coptic or Egyptian Christians essentially believe what any other Christians do but since they are in a region that is predominantly Muslim they see more of the persecution that Jesus warned was to come.  Jesus said that if they persecuted Him they will also persecute His followers (John 15:20). The Coptic’s have lived with this persecution for about 2,000 years now. They have seen their churches regularly burned down and they have seen many of their members die by the hands of radical Muslims who see Christians as infidels that are opposed to the Islamic faith.  They have seen more persecution in a year’s time than most Christians will see in their lifetime.

The Coptic’s were one of the earliest Christian groups to see Christ as being both God and Man or what is called “one hypostasis in two natures.”  Only later would the Eastern Orthodox, the Catholic and the Protestant churches come to this conclusion.   The Coptic Christian tradition says that when John Mark took a missionary expedition to Egypt he was well received because many of the Egyptians had already believed in eternal life but in a different setting.  They were more eager and willing to believe this because this was not that different than what they believed happened after death; that they passed from death to the Underworld and then to the next life.  This was the primary reason why the Pyramids were built…to supply provisions for the Pharaohs so that they could pass from this life into the next as well as protect their valuable treasures.

The Coptic Christian Explosion

Relatively few Coptic Christians remain where they began, that is in Alexandria.  Today they are estimated to range in numbers from between 10 to 60 million members worldwide but most are not far from the Middle East or Asia Minor.  The exact numbers of Coptic Christians is hard to determine because many worship in secrecy for fear of persecution and regular threats of death in the more radical regions of the world where the Islamic faith is the dominant religion. Some believe that they are more closely associated with the Eastern Orthodox Church because they emphasize meritorious works as part of their salvation.  That is they lean on liturgical rituals rather than a personal relationship with Christ by which salvation is possible.  Due to pressures from the Muslim world, many Coptic Christians converted under pressure to Islam which is the dominant religion in their part of the world.  Those who remain staunch in their Christianity often pay dearly for it.

Conclusion

No matter what Christian persuasion you are, you belong to Christ.  Differences in beliefs that are not different in the essentials should not divide us.  The main tenets of Christ’s divinity, His sinlessness, His redeeming work on Calvary, His resurrection and ascension into heaven and His offer of salvation by faith alone should serve to unite us.  We need to be praying for our Christian brothers and sisters around the world, especially those who are suffering from severe persecutions, some even dying for their faith.  These include the Coptic Christians, those who are in hiding in parts of Asia, those who have house churches in China, and those who are based in Muslim countries.  These Coptic Christians are our brothers and sisters in Christ.  They may do things somewhat differently than we do, but that doesn’t mean that they are not part of the Body of Christ.

Another Reading on Patheos to Check Out: What Did Jesus Really Look Like: A Look at the Bible Facts

Article by Pastor Jack Wellman

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    Very well written article. Thanks for taking the time to share it!

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  • seba

    “Differences in beliefs that are not different in the essentials should not divide us. ”

    uh huh, but differences between protestantism and orthodoxy are absolutely essential. You should write about eucharist at least, because around that is build whole orthodoxy and which is deviated hard in protestantism. To coptic christians, or any other orthodox, protestantism with their “intelligent designs” and pastors and ministers are nothing but a pagans.

  • Robbie Robel

    Coptic Christians share about 90 percent of the same beliefs as Roman Catholics. You would be hard-pressed to find Evangelical Protestants who would say that doctrine is not essential where Roman Catholics are concerned.

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  • zayed

    What are you talking about?!
    This characterization of Christians being subject to hellish conditions in the muslim world is ridiculous. Pre-enlightenment Europe was more oppresive to other varieties of christian than any part of the Muslim world, which regards Christians & Jews (and in Iran, zoroastrians) as ‘ahl alkitaab, or “people of the book”, who will see heaven if they live their lives righteously according to their holy books. They can even intermarry with muslims, with neither partner needing to convert according to Islam. Copts have had a rocky time the past 50 years since european colonialism, because of the blow the political system has received. Because of the numerous revolutions, Islamists who MOST MUSLIMS HATE TO BEGIN WITH have indeed been cruel to copts. But this is a problem of Islamism, not ISLAM. Have you even been here in Egypt? Stop characterizing the muslim world as innately evil, it’s tiring and inaccorate.

    • Joe Dokes

      “But this is a problem of Islamism, not ISLAM.”

      Mohammed is said to be the perfect exemplification of Islam, is he not?

      Mohammed promised the last day will not come until the Muslims have fought the Jews and killed them. True or false?

  • Deborah

    The true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ:

    http://youtu.be/y4wx3DoFog8

    The only true Christians are born again believers in Jesus
    Christ, who have received salvation, the new nature and cleansing of all sin by
    His blood, simply by placing their faith alone in Jesus Christ and His redemptive
    work, i.e. His death, burial and resurrection.

    Coptic orthodox are religious people performing works to earn their way to heaven, the same as every other false religion and cult on the earth. It is a false gospel – faith and works. They are not born again saved Christians.

    ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.’ John 10:1

    ‘I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.’ John 10:9

    They have a heretical doctrine on the Person of Jesus Christ (that His two distinct divine and human natures are one singular nature) and believe in many of the catholic heresies, including the blasphemous mystical doctrine of transubstantiation.

    This article pushes the ecumenical one world church that precedes the antichrist.

    • SavedbyGrace

      Amen!! The true Gospel. What must i do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved…Acts 16:31 The wages of sin is the but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. (Romans 6:23) You are saved the moment you realize your a hell deserving sinner and then trust and believe on Jesus Christ alone to save you. Once saved always saved you cannot lose your salvation no matter what. Jesus said, I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish.

      Sadly, Regarding the Coptic orthodox beliefs I will let the Word of God speak and may the light of glorious gospel shine upon them:

      Romans 10:2-4
      2: For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

      3: For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

      4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

      • frednova

        Keep re-arranging the deck chairs.

  • VickiGene

    Please correct the grammatical error in this sentence: This is the same John Mark that traveled throughout the Asiatic region with Paul and Barnabas so it is not beyond belief that John Mark may have WENT (GONE) to Alexandria and planted a church there.

    • Adara

      You should find something more productive to complain about.

      • Bob Dooley

        “Please correct” doesn’t sound like complaining to me.

      • Wink Winkler

        Grammar is enough when the author pretends to speak with authority. BTW, Asiatic is an insult.

  • Code000

    After reading your post i STILL dont know what Coptic Christians believe (distinctive differences). Your post seems to dodge that for what ever reason. I will have to go search other places.

    • Joe Dokes

      Like the Orthodox, Catholics and not a few protestant denominations, the Copts mix faith in Christ with meritorious works to obtain salvation, putting them all at odds with Ephesians 2:8-9. The author did vaguely hint at that, but not as directly as he should have.

      • Stoney End

        Thanks for contributing to the anti-Coptic mythology. It’s amazing to me how so many “Christians” attempt to speak of what another group of Christian believers believe without know what they are talking about.

        We do believe in Ephesians 2:8-9.

        “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.”

        And because we believe we are saved by our faith alone, we should naturally do good works in the the name of God. Doing good is the natural byproduct of having faith and by that, being saved.

        • Joe Dokes

          Do you believe an absence of works (whichever works are expected and as far as that could be discerned in another), or inadequate works (by whatever measure), is evidence to suspect a professing believer is not actually saved?

          Put another way — do you believe as many do that faith alone saves, but not a faith that is alone (i.e., void of visible/sufficient works)?

          • Stoney End

            Faith alone saves a person.

            But doing good for others illustrates your faith better than preaching at people about it.

          • Joe Dokes

            You didn’t answer what I asked.

            Here, from a comment just below, this is what I’m talking about:

            “We believe that salvation is only through participation [human effort/work] with Christ’s life in order to live in communion with the holy trinity (i.e. to become partakers of the divine nature 1Peter1:4 [by human effort/work] ). Hence, we emphasize the need for the entire person to repent, be transformed and be conformed to the Divine Image [via human effort/work]. It is a process [by human effort] of healing for the entire person (“work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” Philippians 2:12).”

            The point is, all this MUST be done via one’s own religious effort [work] else he/she in the end will not be saved.

            That’s salvation by works. It’s helping God save you.

          • Stoney End

            I’m not sure I understand what you want from me, specifically. I gave you the answer that my church has had for centuries. Is the explanation exactly what you want, probably not.

            What I do know from visiting and attending many Christian churches throughout the country be it Catholic, Lutheran, Greek and Russian Orthodox, Coptic, Pentecostals, Methodists, Baptists, etc, is that there are some so called “Christians” who feel that because other Christians don’t interpret the Bible exactly the way they do, that those Christians are not “true Christians” and are therefore going to hell. And that these judging Christians will be the only ones going to Heaven because they alone know “the true path”.

            Based on that logic Heaven is going to be very empty place.

            Judgment on these matters is ultimately in God”s hands and not in the hands of the narrow, flawed minds of pathetic weak human beings who can quote chapter and verse regularly, but also habitually lose their car keys.

            Frankly, I believe God has a special place for judgmental Christians and it probably involves all of them being stuck in the same big room together throughout eternity.

          • Joe Dokes

            Look, it’s not a matter of me judging everyone else based on their personal interpretation or whatever their church tells them to believe. Others certainly do that but I do not.

            The only point I’ve tried to make is that the saving Gospel of the grace of God is, itself, the power of God unto salvation but most of Christendom does not preach it and hasn’t since the time of Paul.

            How can I say that? Simple. Because Paul went out of his way more than once to clearly state that human effort (works) are PRECLUDED from either becoming or staying justified by God…that is entirely based upon the work of Christ, alone. Should the believer bring forth good works? YES! But the vast majority of Christendom requires various works either to BE saved or to STAY saved.

            Either way, if what Paul wrote is true, then to seek to add our human effort to our faith FOR salvation is a false gospel that will damn whoever preaches it, and can’t save whoever believes it.

          • Stoney End

            I believe and respect what Paul preached, but Saul of Tarsus was not the only apostle. He just tends to be the one that western Mediterranean Christian churches solely focus on.

            Paul was essentially a great public relations guy who was not only a strong believer (most recent converts are), but an effective communicator, who expanded on the concepts of and set the long term tone for Christianity.

            That being said, I don’t know nor have I met very many people who believe absolutely what their church doctrine says. Organized religion, like anything organized by human beings, is destine to always go off the tracks eventually because they all want to increase their flocks, their wealth and substant their long term existence..

            In the end we are all going to stand alone in front of our creator. I believe that creator will be a loving, understand and forgiving God who understands human beings for all the imperfection that they are defined as and who doesn’t judge us like a bean counting accountant.

          • Joe Dokes

            Last question.

            This is my phrasing: forgiveness of sins and justification by God is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ, without religious or moral works either to obtain, maintain or guarantee one’s salvation.

            Every element of that is from what Paul taught. Would you agree with it, or disagree?

          • Stoney End

            Of course, I agree with that.

            And i’ll go further, I don’t know nor have I ever met a Christian (I’m not talking about a church leader here) who doesn’t believe in that.

            In my experience, religious people who say that “good works’ are necessary to enter the Kingdom of Heaven are manipulating their followers and have a motive, typically profit and power.

            Most Christians are much smarter than you might think and a church built on that doctrine eventually loses their parishioners.

          • Joe Dokes

            “And i’ll go further, I don’t know nor have meet a Christian (I’m not talking about a church leader here) who doesn’t believe in that.”

            Really? Then you don’t get out much or you aren’t paying attention when you do.

            The church of Rome has a list of sacraments which are required for the fulness of salvation (and even then there’s no guarantee). So do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others. The Seventh Day Adventists believe (though they don’t speak of it much these days) that Sunday worship will one day be the mark of the beast, so sabbathkeeping is required for salvation.

            Most protestant denominations require some form of water baptism — many SAY it’s a testimony, witness, picture, etc, but in reality most will refuse fellowship with someone if they are not water baptized to their satisfaction. In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention tallies its yearly converts not by the number of professions of faith in Christ but by the number of water baptisms they performed. Some denominations are more honest (Church of Christ among others) in saying their version of water baptism IS required for salvation and you won’t be saved without it, be you an infant or an adult convert. Either way, you MUST get wet at the hands of a human intermediary between you and God.

            Then there’s Lordship Salvation, invented by Calvinists to help convince themselves they’re among God’s elect. It is a whole list of works that come AFTER salvation but are still just as much an unbiblical burden on the believer as if they were put up front. Some of these even redefine faith from simple trust in the good news of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection for our sin, to include various marks of what a believer will look like AFTER he trusts Christ. If those marks are not present, he had better doubt his salvation. Depression and discouragement always result…I know, it was done to me as a young believer who didn’t know any better.

            Note: the members of each and every one of these groups agrees with and submits to the works required by their respective church or denomination. If they didn’t they’d go elsewhere. I’ll go one further: every single one of them will mark as a heretic to be avoided anyone (like myself) who says that human works have NO place in the justification or salvation of anyone. They get really antsy when people like me say that because it runs counter to what they’ve been told to believe OR ELSE.

            So yeah, self-effort/works are very much part and parcel of the whole of Christendom. They have become inseparable from it, in fact, in violation of what Paul clearly taught.

            “Not by works of righteousness which WE have done, but by HIS MERCY has He saved us.”

          • Stoney End

            Our discussion was originally about Coptic beliefs not all these other minor subgroups of Christianity.

            But I’ll stand by what I said, I haven’t run across parishioners in any of the over 35 different Christian churches that I have visited and attended in my life that absolutely believe everything their church leaders tell them including the idea that to be saved they have to do “good works”.

            How many churches have you actually visited and attended? I’m not talking about reading stuff on the Net or out of some wingnut’s book on what he thinks another Christian is thinking.

            What you are referencing is what all organized religion do to manipulate their followers. I simply stating that I’ve not run across any Christians who actually buy into all that nonsense. They go to church (almost always the one they grew up in) to get the word, try to apply it to their lives and make the world a better place.There are, I’m sure, hardcore attendees who believe they have to do all that extra stuff to get into Heaven but not the vast majority of Christians.

            Doing things your church wants you to do because you want to belong to that group that you have been hanging out with most of your life, and who you want to keep hang out with the rest of your life, is different that actually believing that you have to do all those things to get in to Heaven. Most people I know, know what these church leaders are doing but their do it to stay part of the group. Pretty stupid as far as I see it but then again I simply just drop to my knees when I want to talk to or worship God. I never felt I had to go to church to do that.

            Small example. My brother is Catholic by way marriage. He, his wife and all their Catholic friends don’t practice or believe the stuff that flows out of Rome, They roll their eyes and put up with the organized religion BS that the Catholic church puts out there because they want to just live their lives righteously and believe in God.

            Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists and other fall into what I would call semi-Christian Sub-sects and don’t follow the Bible or add to the Bible with their own interpretations or added works. If people want to believe that stuff fine, but their belief system is far from what you and I Christianity to be.

            As for Coptics, and I know as I grew up in the Coptic faith, they believe exactly the same as you do on the matter of faith.

          • Joe Dokes

            “Through [water] baptism we enter into a new relationship with God, for we become His adopted children. Therefore, it is truly an essential step towards salvation: “The one who believes and is baptized will be saved” (Mk. 16:16). ”

            http://www.copticheritage.org/rites/26_the_sacrament_of_holy_baptism

            Salvation by the work of water baptism, among other sacraments. Right from a Coptic website.

          • Stoney End

            Now you’re changing the subject. We were talking about being saved because of “good works”. Now you want to move on to another angle of the Coptic faith.

            Coptics belief in water baptism, so what? I got baptized as do most Christians. You don’t want to, so what. You really think any serious believing Christian thinks that if some how you don’t get baptized, but you truly believe in Christ, that you’re on the fast track to Hell? Really?

            Your true colors are showing. So, anyone who disagrees with your little angle on Christianity is somehow less a Christian? Or somehow because they believe slightly different from you, they think you’re a heretic?

            Want to know the truth? Nobody cares what you think or believe, and they don’t care what you think of them. They’re too busy living their own lives to care what you do with yours..

            Man, you’re going to be real surprised and very lonely in that place you think you’re going to.

          • Joe Dokes

            I have not changed the subject. My post 2 years ago was about salvation by works, which you replied to. I just proved from a Coptic website what you denied.

            “You really think any serious believing Christian thinks that if some how you don’t get baptized, but you truly believe in Christ, that you’re on the fast track to Hell? Really?”

            Yep. Faith plus works hidden under the guise of faith. Or, “Salvation by faith alone, but not the faith that is alone [unaccompanied by works].”

            I’m an ex-independent fundamental Baptist. Many people of that stripe and others have said exactly that. I know precisely what I’m talking about, in specific, sourced detail, not the generalities you speak in which make me doubt you’re actually who you say.

            “Want to know the truth? Nobody cares what you think or believe, and they don’t care what you think of them. They’re too busy living their own lives to care what you do with yours.”

            Yet here you are, post after post to me. Odd. You can stop replying to me any time — my original point has been proved. So please…no replies.

          • Jonathan Immanuel

            Well Joe sorry to jump into the debate but I am having hard time understanding you. Basically what you are saying is ; Gospel is not important and don’t worry about what it says. Then what should REAL Christians follow? Word of Jesus clearly says ;Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. John 3:5. So what is the point of arguing about baptism? It is said by the Lord. As well as in Mark 16:16. So based on what Jesus Christ told us You need to be baptised to be able to enter kingdom of God (supposedly this place is heaven) Any more argument after that is illogical unless you don’t believe in Bible. Point being here is not committing any sins. If you commit adultery , murder , stealing , lieing etc , do you truly believe that you will go to heaven because you are believing in Christ? Do you seriously believe a serial rapist/pedophile who doesn’t not repent nor seek for salvation(Prayers,fasting etc) will go to heaven because he believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins?

          • Joe Dokes

            “Basically what you are saying is ; Gospel is not important”

            Quote me where I said that.

          • Jonathan Immanuel

            By criticizing people who follow the Gospel. Coptic Christianity doesn’t have any man made laws. They do everything based on Bible. Praying everyday is for own sake. Lord doesn’t need your prayers however satan is out there to deceive people. To be able to protect yourself from satan , you pray. That’s it. If you don’t pray nor remember Christ you can be deceived and follow the wrong path. There are lots of Christians out there who became atheists , why? Lack of faith or lack of practice? So does praying crucial for your salvation? Does baptism crucial for your salvation? In my opinion yes. You are free to believe whatever you want but calling someone non christian because they don’t believe the way you want , is pure nonsense.

          • Person223

            One has to ask: If your brother is Catholic by way of marriage and his wife doesn’t believe the stuff that flows out of Rome: Why are they even Catholic?

          • Martin

            Protestants, Mormons, JWs, SDA only have 2 sacraments, although Mormons, JWs and SDA more confused than regular Protestants. Some protestants believe in once saved always saved, many others don’t. Some believe in baptismal regeneration, others don’t. Protestant founders believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary, while many have abandoned that teaching. Non-denominationalism is basically just Baptist theology without the name. Faith without works is dead faith. So yes we need to participate not just be bystanders. If you say you are saved (“accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior” along with a “sinner’s prayer” [not biblical]), but do not serve and love others and do not live as a Christian – you will not be saved. You need both, not just one or the other. That is pretty clear from scripture. This has been the teaching of Christianity from the beginning. Luther kind of messed it up 1500 years later.

          • Person223

            Luther’s idea was that it was God’s grace alone that led to salvation. We have nothing to do with this. We are to do good works out of Christian love, but that in no way gains us salvation. The Roman Catholic teaching has been that one co-operates with God for salvation, and the Mennonite/Amish teaching that we can achieve righteousness is suspiciously close to this. Only God is righteous, not men. This idea that we co-operate with God for salvation is a particularly dangerous idea. Those taught this believe it on the surface, but deep down the realization that this isn’t true is there because this is such a preposterous idea. This idea leads to an uneasiness of conscience because it puts people on the same plane as God. The people alive during the reformation said this idea terrified the conscience.

          • The Rock Of Peter

            Disagree, because what you assert is not what St Paul and sacred scripture say. The only time the ideology of “faith -alone” is mentioned in scripture is when it is condemned ! (Jas. 2:18-20 and Jas. 2:24)

            Contrary to the assertions of many (1500 years after Christ) sacred scripture states that BOTH faith AND good works are essential in our response, in our “yes”, to saving grace:

            “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21).

            “‘Why do you call me “Lord, Lord,” and not do what I tell you?’” (Luke 6:46).

            “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8).

            “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).

            “For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . . (Heb. 10:26-27).

            “What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?” (Jas. 2:14).

            “So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead” (Jas. 2:17).

            “But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20).

            “You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” (Jas. 2:24).

          • Samuel Ciraulo

            Romans makes it pretty clear that even if you have 0 good works that you are saved if you believe.

            Romans 4:1-10
            “4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

            2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

            3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

            4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

            5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

            6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

            7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

            8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

            9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

            10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.”

            Even if a Christian has bad works and few good works and even if he is apostate he will be saved if he EVER believed upon the Lord God Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

            Of course I think we should be zealous of good works and fulfill the great commission, please God and refrain from lawlessness (sin). But salvation has nothing to do with the works of man for salvation is the work of God.

          • The Rock Of Peter

            Actually, the only time the ideology of “faith -alone” is mentioned in scripture is when it is condemned ! (Jas. 2:18-20 and Jas. 2:24)

            Contrary to the assertions of many (1500 years after Christ) sacred scripture states that BOTH faith AND good works are essential in our response, in our “yes”, to saving grace:

            “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21).

            “‘Why do you call me “Lord, Lord,” and not do what I tell you?’” (Luke 6:46).

            “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8).

            “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).

            “For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . . (Heb. 10:26-27).

            “What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?” (Jas. 2:14).

            “So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead” (Jas. 2:17).

            “But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20).

            “You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” (Jas. 2:24).

          • chris463650

            Hi, I have a Coptic Christian friend who is in her 60’s. She regularly ‘beat’ herself up by the meritorious works of her faith. When I share salvation is by a personal relationship with and through Jesus she seems surprised. I agree with your explanation of good works but in my experience my friend good works has a direct correlation to her salvation. This concept is contrary to the scripture’s teaching.

          • Jack Wellman

            Hello Chris. I am glad you are there for your friend to show her that works + Christ = nothing, whie Christ + nothing = eternal life. Galatians chapter 3 might help her.

          • Daisy Behman Hanna

            Do you think the blind man who washed in the pool of Siloam was trying to “earn” his healing? Do you think his intent was to “help” God heal him? Do you think he was practicing a “works based” healing?

          • Joe Dokes

            The issue here is how people today get saved, not an example of healing from Christ’s earthly ministry.

          • Daisy Behman Hanna

            But everything Christ did while on His earthly ministry had significant spiritual meaning. When we are blind in our sins, our Lord restores us and offers us Salvation. This man received the healing when he obeyed what Christ had commanded of him. “Go and wash in the pool of Siloam.” Likewise, Christ offers us Salvation, gives us the means, and says, “Go and do.” Like the blind man who received his healing through faith and through obedience to the commands of Christ, we too receive Salvation and healing from the spiritual ailment of sin in the same way. When Christ commands us to be baptized, we obey. When Christ commands us to receive the Holy Spirit, we obey. When Christ commands us to repent of and confess our sins, we obey. And when Christ commands us to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood, we obey. In every instance these things were commanded they were in the context of being specific requirements for eternal life; just as the command to the blind man to wash in the pool was given as a specific requirement for his healing.
            The four commands of Christ I mentioned are the four redemptive sacraments in the Coptic Church. Baptism, Chrismation, Repentance/Confession, and of course, the Holy Eucharist.
            It’s interesting how quick people will point out what they don’t do that was commanded against (ie. Drugs, fornication, alcohol abuse, etc.) And how much emphasis is placed on the “don’t” commands. And yet as soon as someone brings up a “Do” command, that person is accused of practicing a “works based salvation.” Jesus said that the gate is narrow. Everyone has that down. But He followed it up with “and difficult is the way,” and that’s where the lack is today. We are so focused on Jesus being the narrow gate that we enter by, that we forget about the difficult path that lies ahead. We lie and sleep at the gate thinking we are done, and because we never walked that difficult way, we never reached the kingdom in the end. It is time to stand up, and walk that difficult way, trusting our Lord as our guide, obeying ALL what He has commanded, both the “Don’ts” and the “Dos”.

          • Joe Dokes

            “But everything Christ did while on His earthly ministry had significant spiritual meaning.”

            What does “spiritual meaning” even mean? Nothing. It’s a meaningless throwaway phrase because “spiritual meaning” can and does mean anything to anyone.

            What saith SCRIPTURE about knowing Christ today?

            “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him NO MORE.” 2 Cor 5:16

            Christ CANNOT be known according to the flesh anymore (Rom 1:3). He can ONLY be known according to the revelation of the mystery (Rom 16:25; Eph 3:8-9).

            You can no more know Him today via your means of “spiritual meaning” than Catholics who pray to a false wooden Jesus nailed to the wall of their church.

          • Daisy Behman Hanna

            “Spiritual Meaning” is symbolism. Everything Christ did, He did it to send a message about Himself and about our relationship with Him. This is not “my” method of understanding but the method of Christ’s own followers, and their disciples. You say that Christ cannot be u derstood according to the flesh, while you neglect that He gives His own flesh for us. (The Eucharist). At the same time the meanings behind the things He did must be understood. Nothing Christ did was merely superficial. If you believe that then it is you who believes in a false christ.

          • Joe Dokes

            If you won’t believe Scripture, I have nothing to say to you.

        • The Rock Of Peter

          Actually, the only time sacred scripture mentions the ideology of “faith-alone” is when it is condemned ! (Jas. 2:18-20 and Jas. 2:24)

          Contrary to the assertions of many (1500 years after Christ) sacred scripture states that BOTH faith AND good works are essential in our response…in our “yes”… to saving grace:

          “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21).

          “‘Why do you call me “Lord, Lord,” and not do what I tell you?’” (Luke 6:46).

          “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8).

          “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).

          “For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . . (Heb. 10:26-27).

          “What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?” (Jas. 2:14).

          “So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead” (Jas. 2:17).

          “But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20).

          “You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” (Jas. 2:24).

          • Samuel Ciraulo

            —“Actually, the only time sacred scripture mentions the ideology of “faith-alone” is when it is condemned ! (Jas. 2:18-20 and Jas. 2:24)”

            False. Faith alone is the only way to receive the free gift of salvation.

            James is a book admonishing SAVED believers/brothers to not have dead faith.

            Dead faith is faith that is unprofitable to God or men, living faith is faith that is profitable to God and to men, you simply do not understand the difference between a Carnal Christian and a Disciple.
            Let us read the context of the chapter so you will understand.

            James 2:14-24

            “14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

            15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

            16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

            17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

            18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

            19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

            20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

            21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

            22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

            23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

            24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

            How can it profit if a man just has faith? Can faith save him? It is not speaking of salvation but of the flesh.

            If I have faith yet I do not help my brethren will they be helped?
            If my brother asks for a drink of water and I say for him to be filled and blessed but I do not bring him water will my brother then have water? No.

            I have faith and am saved by that faith but if I do not do works that help God and the Body of Christ then is my faith profitable unto anyone?
            No.

            Both Living Faith and Dead Faith are both Faith, one is profitable, one is not.

            Ephesians 2:1-10

            “2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

            2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

            3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

            4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

            5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

            6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

            7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

            Salvation is not of works, not of ourselves, but by Gods grace we can have faith, and by faith we receive the GIFT of God which is salvation.

            If you had to work and have faith then you would have wherewith to boast.

            Abraham was not justified before God by works, he was just by faith because he believed God and Gods righteousness was imputed unto him.

            Romans 4:1-10

            “4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

            2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

            3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

            4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

            5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

            6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

            7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

            8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

            9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

            10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.”

            Circumcision is a seal of faith, not a saving work.

            No work of man can save man, no work of man can be coupled with the Blood of the Lord God Jesus Christ, and coupling your works with his Blood is heresy.

            Galatians 5:1-9

            “5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

            2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

            3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

            4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

            5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

            6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

            7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

            8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

            9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.”

            —“Contrary to the assertions of many (1500 years after Christ) sacred scripture states that BOTH faith AND good works are essential in our response…in our “yes”… to saving grace:”

            Faith is not of works anymore than Grace is of works.

            Grace is the unmerrited favor of God towards man which was earned by the Lord God Jesus Christ and not by man, Grace is not of works which is why it is Grace and Faith is of Hope not of works.

            Romans 11:4-6

            “4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

            5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

            6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”

            Hebrews 11:1-2

            “11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

            2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.”

            The Lord God Jesus Christ came down from Heaven, lived a sinless life, had an Earthly ministry, fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies of the Messiah concerning his temporal life on the Earth before his death, allowed himself to be captured, scourged/tortured and crucified on the Cross of Calvary thus shedding His Blood for the remission of our sins, he died and led the captives in Sheol (Abrahams Bosom) free, he arose the third day and he quickly ascended up to Heaven and applied his Blood to the Mercy Seat in Heaven thus sealing the New Covenant for all time. He came back and preached among many for over a month then ascended into Heaven and sits at the right hand of God Almighty Jehova and has been ever since.

            The Lord God would not have came down from Heaven to offer himself a sacrifice for our sins if we could be just by our works at any time, you are not just by works before, during or after salvation, you do not earn or buy salvation, you do not work to maintain salvation.
            Salvation is the work of God, not of man, and man can only receive it by faith.

            Galatians 2:14-21

            “14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

            15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

            16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

            17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

            18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

            19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

            20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

            21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

            Works are of the Law, being righteous by works is being lawful in works, attempting to justify yourself by your works is trying to be just by repenting from sins/turning from evil.
            Turning from evil is a work, and it cannot save you.
            Believing/Trusting/Having Faith in the Lord God Jesus Christ alone for salvation is not a work and He saves you, you do not save yourself nor do you do anything that makes you saveable rather you believe upon God and because of Belief which is not of works you therefore rest from works concerning salvation, you rest in the Lord God Jesus Christ who is our sabbath, and he gives unto you the free gift of salvation.

            Romans 5:

            “5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

            2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

            3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

            4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

            5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

            6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

            7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

            8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

            9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

            10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

            11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

            12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

            13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

            14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

            15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

            16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

            17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

            18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

            19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

            20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

            21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.”

            You can know if you HATH eternal life, but if eternal life is dependent on your preformance then you can never know if you HATH eternal life.

            1 John 5:9-13

            “9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

            10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

            11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

            12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

            13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

            At the moment of belief you HATH eternal life.

            —“”‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21).”

            Indeed, let us read it so you may understand.

            Matthew 7:21-23

            “21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

            These people called the Lord Lord and had numerous good works… why were they rejected?

            Because the Lord God NEVER knew them which means they were never born again which means they never trusted the Lord God Jesus Christ and thus His Testimony/Gospel alone for salvaiton rather they professed his name and tried to earn salvation by their works,

            What was their response unto God?

            “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?”

            What have their works done for them? Nothing.

            Because salvation is not of mans works, and saying otherwise is heresy.

            —“”‘Why do you call me “Lord, Lord,” and not do what I tell you?’” (Luke 6:46).”

            I agree, why are you calling him Lord if you are not obeying him concerning salvation?

            John 11:21-27

            “21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

            22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

            23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

            24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

            25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

            26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

            27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.”

            Are you obeying the Gospel?

            Obeying the Gospel is not working to be saved, Obeying the Gospel is believing upon the Lord God Jesus Christ ALONE to be saved.

            Many people are ignorant of the truth, the truth that a saved Christian lives in carnal flesh.

            To be saved you must obey the Gospel which is to believe upon the Lord God Jesus Christ and thus His Testimony/Gospel ALONE to be saved.

            However after one is saved they have the choice of choosing whether to follow him in discipleship.

            There are three kinds of saved Christians.

            The Discple: Those who believe in Christ and lose their life for Christ and in losing it have found it.

            The Carnal Christian : Those who believe in Christ yet are consumed by the world.

            The Cast Away Christian: Those who hath believed in Christ yet become apostate.

            Each has believed, each has eternal life, each will never come into condemnation, each is sealed by the Holy Spirit, Each has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, each is a child of God, each is the purchased possession, Each has the regenerate spirit by the operation of God, each is eternally saved by the free gift of God.

            Now is God pleased with all his children? Absolutely not, but he loves all his children and he alone hath saved his children, who are his children? Those who believe upon the Lord God Jesus Christ and thus His Testimony/Gospel, they have received salvation from God and salvation is the free gift of God, salvation is contained within the Blood of the Lord God and the Lord God had his Blood shed on the Cross of Calvary.

            Those who trust in Him alone to be saved are saved eternally and cannot be condemned because their sins are washed away.

            — Continued

          • Samuel Ciraulo

            —“”For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8).”

            Why don’t you read the verses rather than nit picking?

            Romans 2: 6-8

            “6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

            7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

            8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,”

            Those who are saved hath obeyed the truth because they hath obeyed the Gospel and to obey the Gospel one must believe in the Gospel and thus believe in the Lord God Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

            And the deeds of man both saved and unsaved will be judged.

            1 Corinthians 3:1-15

            “3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

            2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

            3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

            4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

            5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

            6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

            7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

            8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

            9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.

            10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

            11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

            12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

            13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

            14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

            15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”

            The unsaved will be judged by their works concerning salvation at the white throne judgment, they will be found lacking concerning perfection and will be judged because of their unbelief in the Lord God Jesus Christ because they have refused the free gift of salvation, they will be condemned to a literal fire burning Hell (Sheol then Gehana) because they have committed the one sin that can never be forgiven… dying in unbelief.

            Those who are saved by God and are thus the children of God will have their works judged at the mercy seat of Christ to determine rewards or shame.

            Even if all your works burn up at the mercy seat you yourself will still be saved because the foundation remains, the foundation being the Blood of the Lord God Jesus Christ which was already tried in the fire and found worthy, the foundation will always remain even if the house which is built upon it is burned down.

            —“”For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).”

            No man is justfified is justified by the Law.

            Galatians 2:14-21

            “14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

            15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

            16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

            17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

            18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

            19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

            20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

            21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

            Romans 3:19-31

            “19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

            20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

            21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

            22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

            24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

            25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

            26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

            27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

            28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

            29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

            30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

            31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”

            We are justified because through faith we have received justification by the Blood of the Lord God Jesus Christ, all glory is to him not to us, we do not earn, buy nor maintain salvation at any point.

            By adding your works to his Blood you are making the Gospel of no effect unto yourself and those you preach to, you are stealing the Glory of God for yourself though you have none.

            John 10:1-30

            “10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

            2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

            3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

            4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

            5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

            6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

            7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

            8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

            9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

            10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

            11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

            12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

            13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

            14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

            15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

            16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

            17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

            18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

            19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

            20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

            21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

            22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

            23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch.

            24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

            25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.

            26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

            27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

            28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

            29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

            30 I and my Father are one.”

            Those who follow the Lord in FAITH are saved, Those who follow the Lord in both Faith and WORKS are rewarded, is salvation a reward? No, it is a free gift.

            Those who hath received eternal life will NEVER PERISH, or do you think God is a liar?

            —“”For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . . (Heb. 10:26-27).”

            First use the KJV and secondly you are missunderstanding Hebrews 10.

            Hebrews 10:1-31

            “10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

            2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

            3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

            4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

            5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

            6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

            7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

            8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

            9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

            10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

            11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

            12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

            13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

            14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

            15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

            16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

            17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

            18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

            19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

            20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

            21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

            22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

            23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

            24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

            25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

            26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

            27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

            28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

            29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

            30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

            31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God”

            First the definition of sinning willfully in this passage is those who ARE/WERE sanctified FOREVER by the Blood of the Lord God Jesus Christ turning and sinning deliberately by counting the Blood by which they were sanctified an UNHOLY THING.

            Apostates are saved, but this is talking about the judgement of God concerning his children that fall into apostasy.

            No sacrifice remains, that does not mean that the Blood does not still apply to them it means that the Lord God Jesus Christ is the sacrifice and there isn’t some lamb you can take and go and sacrifice it for your sins anymore (Hebrews was written to Hebrews falling back into the Law rather than remaining in the Libertry of the Grace of God).

            Jesus is the sacrifice and he abides forever and once you have the Blood you cannot lose it.

            However if you are sealed by the Holy Spirit and sanctified forever and thus are born again by the operation of God and are thus a true Christian and you fall into apostasy there is a price to pay, not losing salvation but losing your life in most cases.

            Read verse 26-31 again, there remains no more sacrifice for sin, meaning you cannot go and sacrifice a lamb again, Jesus is the sacrifice.

            But now because you have become apostate there is a fearful looking of firey indignation which shall deouvr the adversaries.

            This is speaking of the first death, the Lord God has killed many of his Children who have become apostate or live in continual sin without care.

            Does that make them not his children anymore? No, but the disobedient child will be chastened to the point of death and the most disobedient of children are the apoostates.

            —“”What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?” (Jas. 2:14).”

            Again you do not understand the meaninng of James, I recommend you read it through end to end.

            —“”So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead” (Jas. 2:17).”

            Yup, and dead faith is still faith and it is faith that causes one to receive salvation regardless of whether faith is living or dead.

            —“”But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20).”

            Of course faith without works is dead, that does not change whether it is faith however.

            Those who are of the faith and are carnal are very unprofitable to God and men concerning the Gospel.

            If I know the Gospel and I refuse to preach it to you, does that mean I do not believe the Gospel and thus am saved by the fulfilled promise of God? No, it means that I am being disobedient and you will not profit from my knowledge.

            It has nothing to do with whether I have faith or not.

            —“”You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” (Jas. 2:24).”

            Man is justfiied by works before men, but before God he is justified by faith alone through Christ alone.

            Again.

            Romans 4:1-16

            “4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

            2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

            3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

            4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

            5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

            6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

            7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

            8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

            9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

            10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

            11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

            12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

            13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

            14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

            15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

            16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”

            “5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness”

            Those that do not depend on works but believe God and thus trust in the Lord God Jesus Christ and thus his Testimony/Gospel alone for salvation are saved, not those who work for salvation for they are ignorant of the Gospel.

            1 Corinthians 15:1-4

            “15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

            2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

            3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

            4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

          • The Rock Of Peter

            You are correct my friend – “faith -alone” is dead faith. And that is why James condems your “faith-alone” idea. To respond to God’s free saving grace, we are to have faith, that is to believe, but we are also required to have good works along side it, as the other texts I provided illustrate. We are actually judged by these good works dear friend- In the story about Judgment Day, (Matt 25:31-46) where Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, the only questions that Jesus asks the multitude concern works:
            1. Did you feed the hungry?
            2. Did you clothe the naked?
            3. Did you give a drink to the thirsty, etc.
            If they answered “no” to these works in Matthew 25, then Jesus said that they were going to hell. Nowhere does Jesus ask, “Did you only have faith, did you only say you accept me as your personal Lord and Savior ?” We look for ward to your reply dear friend

          • Samuel Ciraulo

            —“You are correct my friend – “faith -alone” is dead faith.”

            Yes it is dead faith, but it is still saving faith because it is faith.

            —” And that is why James condems your “faith-alone” idea.”

            James is not condemning having faith alone for salvation, he is admonishing believers to be disciples not carnal christians, he is saying that doing nothing isn’t going to profit God or anyone else and thus let your faith lead you unto good works.

            We are not saved by good works but we are saved unto good works, but whether we fulfill good works or not is not relevant to whether we have faith, and only faith is required to receive salvation.

            All Christians are carnal the majority of the time, all Christians continue to sin every day because they are in sinful flesh.

            You need to actually read James.

            —” To respond to God’s free saving grace, we are to have faith, that is to believe, but we are also required to have good works along side it,”

            No we are not required to have good works, if salvation was dependent on man having good works then man would earn salvation not receive the FREE GIFT of salvation.

            Faith/belief/trust is the only thing you can do that is not a work.

            —” as the other texts I provided illustrate.”

            I went through all of them and none of them say what you think they say, I suggest you read my response.

            —” We are actually judged by these good works dear friend-”

            Yes we are, but not for salvation.

            A Christians life will be judged at the mercy seat of Christ in order to determine rewards or shame unto the Christian.
            This has nothing to do with salvation and everything to do with station in heaven and thus eternal rewards.

            1 Corinthians 3:1-15

            “3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

            2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

            3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

            4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

            5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

            6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

            7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

            8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

            9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.

            10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

            11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

            12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

            13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

            14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

            15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”

            Even if all your works burn up you yourself shall be saved as by fire, for the foundation will remain even if the house doesn’t.

            The Blood of the Lord God Jesus Christ is our foundation.

            —” In the story about Judgment Day, (Matt 25:31-46) where Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, the only questions that Jesus asks the multitude concern works:
            1. Did you feed the hungry?
            2. Did you clothe the naked?
            3. Did you give a drink to the thirsty, etc.
            If they answered “no” to these works in Matthew 25, then Jesus said that they were going to hell. Nowhere does Jesus ask, “Did you only have faith, did you only say you accept me as your personal Lord and Savior ?” We look for ward to your reply dear friend”

            I have already explained to you numerous times that righteousness is imputed not earned.

            Matthew 25:45-46

            “45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

            46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

            Are you righteous by your works? Absolutely not.

            Romans 3:19-31

            “19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

            20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

            21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

            22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

            24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

            25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

            26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

            27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

            28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

            29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

            30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

            31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”

            Will feeding the poor save you? No.
            Will visiting those in prison save you? No.
            Will giving drink unto the thirsty save you? No.

            Nor will any other such action.

            Romans 4:1-10

            4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

            2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

            3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

            4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

            5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

            6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

            7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

            8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

            9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

            10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.”

            God imputes righteousness without works.

            Do you know whose righteousness we have? We are imputed the righteousness of the Lord God Jesus Christ.

            Did Jesus feed the poor? Yes.
            Did Jesus visit those in prison? Yes.
            Did Jesus give water unto the thirsty? Yes.
            Did Jesus take in strangers? Yes.

            When the Lord God looks at us he sees his own righteousness on us because his own righteousness is imputed unto us, thus if his righteousness is imputed unto us then we have done all these works because God has done all these works which is why salvation is the work of God and not of man.

            Am I saying you shouldn’t feed the poor or visit those in prison or give water unto the thirsty or take in strangers? No, I am saying that you should do so but that doing so cannot and will not save from the wrath of God and nor will it make you worthy of salvation nor will it buy salvation nor will it maintain salvation.

            The only way to receive salvation is by obeying the Gospel, and what is obeying the Gospel?

            John 12:34-42

            “34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

            35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

            36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

            37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

            38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

            39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

            40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

            41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

            42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:”

            Who hath believed our report?” Obedience to the Gospel is believing in the Gospel, it is believing the Testimony/Report of the Lord God Jesus Christ and it has always been that way.

            The Sheep are those who hear the voice of the master and they know no other voice, not their own, not another but only the Lord.

            John 10:25-30

            “25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.

            26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

            27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

            28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

            29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

            30 I and my Father are one.”

            The Sheep are those who BELIEVE upon the Lord God Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation for he is the door that openeth, he is the way, truth and the life, climbing up some other way makes you a thief.

            1 John 5:1-13

            “5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

            2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

            3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

            4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

            5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

            6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

            7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

            8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

            9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

            10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

            11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

            12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

            13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

            The Goats are those who know not the Lord, who hath not believed the Lord.

            Do you think a Catholic who does every good deed possible, who feeds the porn, visits those in prison, gives of themselves in every way and helps in every way could by the multitude of their good deeds remove a single sin that they have done?
            Absolutely not.

            The Goats are those who though even they may have good works done in the flesh still go into everlasting fire because they did not believe in the truth.

            Matthew 25 coincides with this when you study it and combine all the scriptures, by itself Matthew 25 would seem to be saying that you must do specific works to be saved but when you combine it with the rest of the Word the meaning therefore becomes exceedingly clear.

            The Lord God Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and did every good work required of the Law to be righteous by the Law, thus by having faith in the Lord God alone he IMPUTES HIS righteousness unto us, and thus by faith we are righteous and not by the Law which is of works.

            The Law is fulfilled in two main commandments.

            Matthew 22:36-40

            “36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

            37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

            38 This is the first and great commandment.

            39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

            Has any man other than Jesus fulfilled the Law? No.

            What do you think the works in Matthew 25 were of? Unrighteousness? No, they were of the Law.

            Feeding the poor, giving drink unto the thirsty, visiting those in prison, taking in strangers and so many other works are of the Law, is any man righteous by doing these works?
            No, because all men are sinners.

            Then how can any man be righteous?

            A man can only be righteous by believing in the fulfilled promise of God which is salvation unto all who believe.

            The Lord God Jesus Christ fulfilled the entirety of the Law in every semblance and to a letter and then died on the Cross for our sins, when we believe in him he washes away our sins and imputes his righteousness unto us thus making us as righteous as God concerning the Law.

            Thus the Sheep have done these works because God has done these works.

            If the sheep does not feed the poor does the change the fact that the Lord fed the poor? No.
            But because the Lord has fed the poor therefore when the Lords righteousness is imputed unto that sheep then that sheep has done that work.

            When the Blood is applied to you, you have fulfilled the Law through God because he has fulfilled it and he makes you as righteous as him because he imputes his own righteousness unto you.

            No man is righteous by the Law alone, and righteousness does not come from the Law.

            Galatians 2:14-21

            “14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

            15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

            16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

            17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

            18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

            19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

            20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

            21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

            If righteousness comes by those works being done by man in his flesh then righteousness comes from the Law in part or in full and thus if righteousness comes by the Law then Christ is dead in vain because no man can keep the Law.

            I am a sheep because of faith.

            Many are goats because of unbelief.

          • The Rock Of Peter

            Dear friend, you must realise what St Paul was condemning in Romans. Grace is free and we can do nothing to earn it- you would agree I think. But God does not take away our free will. We can reject or accept grace. And this “yes” of ours must comprise of faith AND good works- sacred scripture is clear on this! St Paul clearly states this in Romans. St paul in his letter to the Romans, was condemning Judaisers who claimed they could be saved by adhering to the Old Law.

            Let me explain:

            Paul made very clear in Romans 2:6-8 that good works are necessary for attaining eternal life, at least for those capable of performing them: “For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.”

            So what about the fact that Paul also said we are “justified by faith apart from works of law?” He was writing to a church in Rome struggling with a very prominent first-century heretical sect known today as the “Judaizers.” These heretics taught that belief in Christ and obedience to the New Covenant was not enough to be saved. A man also had to keep the Mosaic Law (which, according to Hebrews 7:11-12, has been superseded in Christ) and be circumcised in order to be saved (cf. Acts 15:1-2). Paul gave us one clue—among many—that he had this sect in mind when he wrote in Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal . . . ” Paul told us in Colossians 2:11-12 that this true “circumcision of Christ” is baptism.

            It is in this context that Paul says we are “justified by faith apart from works of law.” He did not in any sense say that works are unnecessary. He specified works of law because these were the works without which the Judaizers were claiming one “cannot be saved.”

            Paul does not specifically say works of law in Romans 4:5, but if we read from Romans 3:28 to Romans 4:5 and beyond, the context makes it unmistakable: Paul was referring to circumcision in particular and the same “works of law” he was referring to in Romans 3:28.

            In truth and love,
            Doug

          • The Rock Of Peter

            Dear Samuel

            We read with interest your certainties about the meanings of sacred scripture.

            However, thousands of groups and individuals also claim to have arrived at the truth through Bible reading-alone, and yet they disagree with you, and each other.

            Samuel, can you show us your divine guarantee for your particular interpretations?

            Regards
            Doug

          • just

            yes, but FAITH ALONE thru JESUS ALONE is the salvtion we need .SCRIPTURE then says ADD TO your faith…so again faith alone comes FIRST..not faith based on works or works based on faith..FAITH ALONE FIRST…thenADD to that…working as the Holy SPirit directs…

    • UH UH UH

      It seems clear, try reading it again s l o w l e y.

  • Donna

    Christains from the first meeting of Christains [followers of Christ] in the the book of Acts ALWAYS believed Christ was GOD And man come to earth to die for our sins! Immanuel God with us!!

  • Becki Jameson

    We have tenets of faith, not tenants (*facepalm*).

    • Jack Wellman

      Thanks for pointing out my error. I’m sorry about that. Otherwise, can’t tell if you liked it or not so thanks for pointing out my mistakes if nothing else.

      • Jack Wellman

        Facepalm? Really?

        • Just trying to give you a word picture that you might envision my reaction. Lol!

          • Jack Wellman

            Thanks. It certainly did. I appreciate knowing this. I do see that this reinforces my belief…only the Word of God is perfect. Thank you for your patience with me.

      • I did enjoy and appreciate your article. I’m sorry if my attention to grammar gave you the impression that I held your article in low regard. On the contrary, I was gratified to learn that they are truly my brethren in Christ, as are you, brother Jack.

  • Sandy

    As an Orthodox Christian of the Coptic rite, I disagree with many things of this article. It is poorly researched and filled with generalizations. For example, we certainly Do NOT emphasize meritorious works to earn salvation. Faith is an act of forming a relationship of trust with God and not a mental assent to certain doctrinal statements. We believe that salvation is only through participation with Christ’s life in order to live in communion with the holy trinity (i.e. to become partakers of the divine nature 1Peter1:4). Hence, we emphasize the need for the entire person to repent, be transformed and be conformed to the Divine Image. It is a process of healing for the entire person (“work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” Philippians 2:12).

    The author also claims that we lean on liturgical worship rather than on a personal relationship with Christ–this is completely false and offensive to me. Our liturgical worship is the assembly of the body of Christ gathering around the one table of the Lord offering thanksgiving to Him and being mystically united with Him, just as He commanded in John 6 and just as the Apostles and the early church worshiped. Please read the NT carefully, then Ignatius of Antioch, then Irenaeus of Lyon to get a better understanding. Finally, we are not like the Catholics (in fact, protestant and Catholic traditions are more similar than Orthodox ones in their understanding of salvation, thanks to Augustine, Anselm and Aquinas).

    • Johannine L

      The Greek word for faith, “pistis”, simply means belief that is comprehended. Faith is not “faithfulness”. Faith produces good works, but faith is not a good work. You appear to have confused the root with the fruit.

    • newenglandsun

      “we are not like the Catholics (in fact, protestant and Catholic traditions are more similar than Orthodox ones in their understanding of salvation, thanks to Augustine, Anselm and Aquinas)”
      1. There are Coptic Catholics (Coptic Rite Christians in union with the Bishop of Rome). These Coptic Catholics are Catholic to the core as well as Coptic to the core.
      2. Orthodox and Catholic soteriology are VERY similar with the sacraments as the basis of theosis. Given, the Novus Ordo definitely makes Catholics lean a lot more Protestant these days than genuinely Catholic. There are many Orthodox that appeal to those three theologians mentioned as well–I’ve seen many appeal to St. Thomas Aquinas in respect to the immaculate conception.
      3. The primary DIFFERENCE between Catholic soteriology and Orthodox soteriology is that the Orthodox have no developed doctrine of soteriology in general so to state Catholics have more in common with Protestants than Orthodox shows more your ignorance toward Western theology.

      • Jonathan Jackson

        Orthodox Christians do not believe in the immaculate conception because we don’t believe in the concept of original sin. And Catholics and Protestants do have a more similar view of salvation, it’s called Atonement theology. I’ve heard a Catholic priest and a Baptist preacher explain it the exact same way, it goes like this: humanity sins, humanity deserves death from God because of sin, but God sends his son to die in place of humanity so people who believe in his sacrifice have salvation. But this concept is completely alien to ancient Eastern Orthodox Christianity. First of all I don’t know where you get your information but the Orthodox Church considers Thomas Aquinas to be a heretic and his teachings to be a source of much of the heresy and distortion of orthodoxy that plagues Western Christianity. The Orthodox understanding of salvation is this: God is Love. God cannot die, so God becomes man and dies, but God cannot die, So God conquers death, but God is Love, so love conquers death(“Christ tramples down death” as it says in our hymns), this is the purpose of the moral teaching of the Gospels to show us how to love in the way that Jesus loved. So our goal in life is to follow the teachings of, form a personal relationship with, and imitate the life of Jesus Christ in order to become one with God through Love. This is the meaning of Theosis in Eastern Orthodox Christianity, deification, In the words of Saint Maximus the Confessor “God became man so that man may become God”. Not god as in the creator, but dwellers in his kingdom, to become God’s companions to join the immortal brotherhood and sisterhood of Jesus Christ our God. This is why we venerate saints so devoutly because we believe they have been revealed by God to have reached the goal of Theosis to become love as God is Love. Since they have achieved the goal that we are seeking, oneness with God through the imitation of and devotion to the life of Jesus Christ, we pray to them for advice, and study their lives so that we may learn from them how to better imitate and apply the teachings of Jesus Christ in our everyday lives. This is why we depict Saints on Icons, because we believe that during our worship service, the Divine Liturgy of the Eucharist, that all believers are united in worship in the Kingdom of God along with departed Saints and the celestial Angels. To this end, everything in the Liturgy is seen as symbolic, yet also not just merely symbolic, but making the unseen reality manifest. So we believe that the Angels, Saints, and Christ himself are spiritually present and participating with us, since we can not perceive them with our mortal eyes we depict them on Icons as a way of reminding us they are there with us. Basically Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, and John Calvin spoke different dialects of the same theological language especially in reference to salvation, grace, and the nature of God, while Saint Maximus the Confessor and the Orthodox Church Fathers were speaking an entirely different language. And know Eastern rite Catholics do not count as Traditional Eastern Christianity. To put it simply they are compromised, they are theologically and in many ways doctrinally Western while being ritually and liturgically(hence the term rite) Eastern. It’s akin to the Protestant churches founded in the Middle East in the 20th century, some of them like the Assyrian Evangelical Church, and Assyrian Pentecostal Church use traditional Aramaic hymns in their worship while being theologically evangelical, Pentecostal, and Presbyterian. In closing yes, the 24,000 revisionist denominations of Western Christianity, may they be Papist or Protestant, and their Uniate and missionary churches founded in the East do have more in common with each other than they do with ancient Orthodox Christianity. When the Western Church broke away and abandoned the Holy Orthodox Faith it began to fracture into numerous sects and lost all unity and integrity giving birth to Western Denominationalism. While Eastern Orthodoxy stayed true to the ancient Christianity of the Ecumenical Councils, Church Fathers, Holy Apostles, and our lord Jesus Christ himself. So yes, Catholics have more in common with Protestants than they do with Orthodox Christians, and your denial of that and subsequent explanation showed your ignorance toward Eastern theology.

        • newenglandsun

          “Basically Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, and John Calvin spoke different dialects of the same theological language especially in reference to salvation, grace, and the nature of God, while Saint Maximus the Confessor and the Orthodox Church Fathers were speaking an entirely different language.”
          I’m trying to gauge the different dialects/language. Luther was an Augustinian monk so he tries to present himself as faithful to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas was also influenced by St Augustine as well as St Dennis and St John Damascene. St Maximus the Confessor was a church father before the schism and his theology is still prominent in the Catholic Church as well. John Calvin denies synergy and says God desires some to go to Hell. Other than that, he speaks the same. Dialect for St Thomas Aquinas and John Calvin was a form of Latin (Medieval Latin for St Thomas and French for Calvin) but Martin Luther was German so language cannot be referring to this.

          “Orthodox Christians do not believe in the immaculate conception because we don’t believe in the concept of original sin.”
          A) I never said Orthodox Christians do. To clarify my comment, what I meant was St Thomas Aquinas rejected the immaculate conception and many Orthodox Christians appeal to his views to prove that.
          B) You are quite mistaken and are actually entertaining heresy according to your own Orthodox Church. Original sin is in fact a strong component of Orthodox theology. What is rejected is what Reformed theologians mean by “original guilt” as well as total depravity. Not certain who catechized you but whoever told you Orthodox Christians do not believe in original sin is sadly mistaken.

          “And Catholics and Protestants do have a more similar view of salvation, it’s called Atonement theology. I’ve heard a Catholic priest and a Baptist preacher explain it the exact same way, it goes like this: humanity sins, humanity deserves death from God because of sin, but God sends his son to die in place of humanity so people who believe in his sacrifice have salvation.”
          If I referenced you as a source for what Eastern Orthodox Christians believe, I could say that “the Eastern Orthodox do not believe in original sin”. It would be a theologically incorrect statement because they do and the majority of Eastern Orthodox dogmatic theologians would disagree with you as well as with me but hey, you’re a solid reference, right? Basically, someone belonging to Catholicism or some sect of Protestantism does not lay out the map for what the belief of the Church is.

          “I don’t know where you get your information but the Orthodox Church considers Thomas Aquinas to be a heretic and his teachings to be a source of much of the heresy and distortion of orthodoxy that plagues Western Christianity.”
          I didn’t say they considered him “orthodox”. Of course they don’t. They consider him schismatic at the very least. However, I know of an Orthodox priest who is very heavily influenced by Thomistic thinking and having become more well-rounded in terms of dogmatic theology himself has not declared St Thomas’s theology as “heretical”. But of course, there are definitely some who would argue otherwise. But stop trying to read into what I am saying here.

    • Redbone01

      He said REPENT, be BAPTIZED EVERYONE of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and RECEIVE ye the gift of the Holy Ghost (Spirit)…Acts 2:38 IS the ONLY SALVATION given among men whereby we MUST be saved. It’s in the NAME of Jesus. Father, Son, H.G (Spirit) are titles, NOT names. You WILL speak with other tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. That IS the gift. His Spirit living inside you. Read it for yourselves. Jesus IS God in the flesh. (1 Timothy 3:16) God Bless!

  • Worthless article. It doesn’t touch on core Copt doctrines which are diametrically opposed to Evangelical salvation doctrines. Never the twain shall meet, as it were. I’ve read better papers on comparative religion from high school students.

  • Billy

    Nelly van Doorn-Harder. “Coptic Christianity.” Worldmark Encyclopedia of Religious Practices. Editor: Thomas Riggs. Volume 1: Religions and Denominations. Detroit: Gale, 2006.

    http://scipaper.blogspot.com/2014/11/christianity-coptic-christianity.html

  • Freddy West

    One and the same, the main tenets are the same.

  • Lee McAdams

    Pretty much the same beliefs as me. I’m a Protestant Christian. I truly hate what my Coptic brothers are going through. If I was able bodied…..I would go with the Kurds and help them in their fight versus ISIS. ISIS is Satan’s tool to eradicate Christians worldwide.

  • Amy Dugas

    Uh, if you are not born again (which does NOT mean baptism), you will end up in the lake of fire. Not all “Christian persuasions” belong to Christ.

    This article was never clear about if they know how to get saved or if they are like the Catholics.

    • Andrew Dowling

      What makes you certain you have the unvarnished truth? Maybe YOU are heading towards the lake of fire!

  • Scott johnson

    “…John Mark may have went (should be “gone”) to Alexandria and planted a church there.” Aside from the grammatical error(s), and the relative lack of inclusion of Coptic doctrinal distinctives, I enjoyed the article, especially the emphasis on these brothers’ and sisters’ perilous position within their milieux.

  • newenglandsun

    “The Coptic’s were one of the earliest Christian groups to see Christ as being both God and Man or what is called “one hypostasis in two natures.””
    This statement was bothering me a little bit. While Coptic Catholics definitely agree with Chalcedon’s definition of Jesus being “one hypostasis in two natures”, this definition is entirely Chalcedonian, not Coptic. Coptic Catholics have fully reconciled with the Bishop of Rome and accept the councils of the Catholic Church, however, Coptic Orthodox have historically had objections to this definition of Chalcedon as too Nestorian (this in no way is saying they are necessarily Monophysite, just that they reject Chalcedon’s definition as being Nestorian).
    This is a major issue when it comes to ecumenism between the Coptic Orthodox (and other Oriental Orthodox) with Eastern Orthodox as well as with Catholics.

  • Nom DePlume

    “Differences in beliefs that are not different in the essentials should not divide us.” What people coming to this article want to know is DO evangelicals differ from Copts in essentials? The article doesn’t address this crucial question.

    Saying that “Coptic or Egyptian Christians essentially believe what any other Christians do” is not enlightening unless you clarify what Christians believe, and saying “No matter what Christian persuasion you are, you belong to Christ” is downright misleading considering how liberally the term “Christian” is applied today.

    • Bill Scudder

      I believe Stoney is a true Christian. I am a Pentecostal that believes in salvation is by Grace alone through faith and not of works.

  • JIMBO

    I believe, based upon my study of the Coptic Christians, that the Coptic’s are Christians in every sense of the definition of a Cristian person. They believe in the definitey of Christ, the trinity, and his purity. This is all that really maters. If Mark in fact was the originator of this group of Christians, that should be good enough for all Christians. They are partners in Christ. Let us just leave it at that.

  • Bill Scudder

    Joe, Stoney answered you question and I believe he is a true Christian. I am a Pentecostal that believes in salvation is by Grace alone through faith and not of works.

  • Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said, “After I have passed, Allah will allow you
    to conquer Egypt. Treat her Coptic Christians well because they have
    rights and ties of kinship to you.” (Tabarani)

    • George

      The Muslims have sure done that, haven’t they?

  • Martha Dodd-Slippy

    John Mark did not “may have went” however he “may have gone” to Alexandria and planted a church there. I have also heard Thomas was an originator of the Coptic Christians.

  • deaton

    like mormons coptic christians according to henrietta mertz believe these christians believed that christ and satan were brothers that belonged to h/father. Michgan tablets pre columbus shows the 10 commandments and have many artifacts, good luck in faking any of it. It is what it is. They have been found by hundreds of different people in over 120 years in different parts of michegan, yes I believe that people of the book of mormon did settle in east coast of the US continent. 1896 there is a tablet there is a calendar showing the 325 ad meteor shower. Check it out yourself, on youtube many things by terry carter and wayne may. A moment in time they think that the coptic christians were there in that area according to non-lds scholars