Did Jesus Disciple Women? Did Jesus Have Women Disciples?

Why do we tend to ignore women disciples of Jesus? Here’s reason why we shouldn’t.

Who are Disciples?

Jesus said in Luke 14:33, “So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple,” but what is a disciple of Christ, and who are His disciples today? The word disciple comes to us from the Old English word discipul (fem. discipula) which comes from the Latin discipulus, meaning, “pupil, student, follower,” and said to be from the word discere from which we get the word “discern” and that comes from the root word, dek which means “to take, accept” (hint: Matt 28:18-20), so a disciple is a student or learned who is following the teachings of someone and “takes it” or “accepts” as their own. According to Barnhart and Klein, it comes from a lost compound word, discipere , which means “to grasp intellectually,” “analyze thoroughly,” and is from dis- “apart” plus capere “to take, take hold of,” like “carpe diem” is Latin for “seize the day.” In the New Testament, the Greek word for disciple is “mathēteuō” and it means a “student, learner,” or “pupil,” so that’s what disciple means, and it has nothing to do with masculine or feminine.

To Be His Disciple

A lot of people say they are Christians or believers but few say they are Jesus’ disciples or they “follow Him,” but there are still disciples of Jesus Christ today and the way you can identify them is whether they follow Jesus’ teachings or not. Jesus says, “A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher” (Luke 6:40), so does a person forsake all, including family relations, in order to follow Christ? If not, they are not a true disciple of Jesus. They might think they are, but Jesus gives a very narrow definition of who is a true disciple of His. Discipleship is anything that calls someone to live in Christ, equips them to live like Christ, or sends them to live for Christ, and authentic discipleship always strives to raise up men and women who love God above all else. No wonder Jesus said we should count the cost (Luke 14:28). Can you be a disciple without evangelism (Matt 28:18-20)? “Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me” (Matt 16:24), and that means to do what Jesus commands, which includes the Great Commission, so If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26), and “Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27), so every Christian should know, if they don’t already, it is a very narrow path that leads to eternal life, which is why so few find it (Matt 7:13-14), “So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:33). Many are called, but few are chosen (Matt 22:14), so another point is, Jesus chooses His disciples, not they who choose Him. Christ said, “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide” (John 15:16a).

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Women Disciples

Today, since more women attend church than men do, there may actually be more women disciples than men, so yes, by all means, Jesus had women disciples, meaning He discipled women too. It wasn’t long before Jesus “went on through cities and villages, proclaiming and bringing the good news of the kingdom of God” (Luke 8:1), but “also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, and Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s household manager, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them out of their means” (Luke 8:2-3), so not only were women disciples of Jesus, they also provided for His earthy ministry “out of their means.” When Jesus was being crucified, more women were present than men, since the men had ran for their lives after Jesus was arrested, and so at Calvary, “There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome. When he was in Galilee, they followed him and ministered to him, and there were also many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem” (Mark 15:40-41). Remember that a disciple is a follower of Jesus Christ, following wherever He went and doing whatever He commands. Being a disciple has nothing to do with being male or female. It has everything to do with following Him, at whatever the cost. The universal proclamation to make disciples cannot exclude women since the call to salvation is universal. That means it must necessarily include women, so being a disciple has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. Jesus said, “For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother” (Mark 3:35), so it is male, female…in fact, all who call upon the Lord will be saved (Rom 10:13), regardless of who they are.

Conclusion

To be a disciple of Christ’s you must study His textbook, the Bible. It’s like enlisting someone in the Army and issuing them a rifle that they never learn how to clean and shoot. The risk when we don’t “fully” disciple new believers is that they will almost always become lukewarm in faith, worldly in behavior, and hypocritical in witness. Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote a book on the cost of being a disciple of Jesus, and the cost for his being a disciple of Christ was his death in a Nazi prison camp. He said if you want to be a disciple, look to Jesus! Dietrich Bonhoeffer desired to be a disciple of Christ and then entered into the sufferings of Christ, which is just what Paul desired, writing that it was so “that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death” (Phil 3:10), and that’s exactly what he found, or as Bonhoeffer has said, “When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die.” Sometimes that is the cost of discipleship.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is host of Spiritual Fitness and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    The eternal wellspring of willful stupidity…

    “To be a disciple of Christ’s you must study His textbook, the Bible”

    1. It is NOT a textbook…it is a book of STORIES! FABLES! and UNTRUTHS!
    2. There is no evidence that any jesus ever existed!
    3. The supposed “perfect word” should not require study!

    “the cost for his being a disciple of Christ was his death in a Nazi prison camp”

    Ah, 6 million Jews who weren’t disciples ….well jack?

    “When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die.” Sometimes that is the cost of discipleship.”

    What about the all loving deity protecting you? Oh, the all loving deity just kicks back and watches huh? What a sick death focused cult you sacrificed your mind to!

    Finally …your “paul” WAS A LUNATIC!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAEghxnK3UU

  • pud

    Hey jack! I have a great idea for you! Since you won’t debate me why not have a call in talk show? I bet it would go something like this…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUuQ18RXOyg

  • pud

    “Remember that a disciple is a follower of Jesus Christ, following wherever He went and doing whatever He commands.”

    The very definition of slavery and a cult. A puppet to an imaginary delusion living inside your heads. Oh, wait…”jesus” condones slavery! Better get a few jack!

    You KNOW nothing of “where he went” or “what he commands” because there is NO EVIDENCE that any such character EVER EXISTED!

    You worship a BOOK! An ancient book whose authors you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! Save “paul” who we KNOW was a lunatic who had visions, wrote delusional letters to other lunatics in the cult, never met your “jesus” and was a known MURDERER!

    Only cult members can embrace this ridiculous nonsense. You are no different than Moonies or members of the Manson family.

    You and your cult have a view of reality that is orders of magnitude out of wack! To think that the MOST important figure in all of history would plop himself down in the most primitive barbaric backwater on earth, babble some nonsense to a handful of lunatics when he could have appeared to EVERYONE on the planet is ABSURD! To think that your deity would and must have to send HIMSELF as a sacrifice to HIMSELF as a loophole for rules he HIMSELF created is nothing less than INSANE! To think that a timeless incorporeal “being” has “existed” from before time and on a whim decided to create some mini science experiment on a speck in space because he “wanted” or “needed” or “desired” something is beyond irrational and delusional.

    You sir are mentally ill. Your world view is so disproportional, so absurd, so fictional, so infantile as to defy even the smallest measure of reason.

    Simply incredible

    • Jerry Lynch

      You have a lot of anger, yet that does little to convince anyone of your views. Read this article and see where you are going gets nowhere: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/challenging-richard-dawkins_us_598205dde4b0b35d274c5f3e

      • pud

        Awe….Dawkins hurt the poor muslim feelings….I bet they’re a puddle of tears now and will instantly stop throwing gays off of buildings, beating women in bags and blowing themselves up for their deity….poor oppressed islam…boo hoo

      • pud

        PS…no anger, lots of contempt..you lie to children and pollute their minds…unforgivable

  • Jean Camille

    Your article reminds me of the Egyptian Christians. Apparently, until recent years, many local Christians had been easy-going. Persecution has sharpened their focus and clarified the intent of their hearts.
    Husband and wife, Naseem and Samira Fahmi, proved themselves well discipled at Easter, 2017. Naseem was happy to be on security at St. Mark’s Cathedral in Alexandria and directed a man through the metal detector. He exploded, killing them both.
    Later, Samira gave a live-to-air TV interview. Every sentiment echoed scripture. Like Jesus, she asked God to forgive the murderers because they were not in their right minds. She urged them to rethink their position, that is, to repent. She extended her own forgiveness to them and, like Stephen, focused on the glory of heaven where her husband was blessed to be.
    The TV host sat in shock for 10 seconds and then declared these Christians to be people of steel, made of a ‘different stuff’, and people who deeply loved their country.
    Naseem and Samira were one in mind and spirit under the one Lord. They both testified to their faith, he in deed, she in words. It struck me that, while Naseem’s death was shocking, the aspect that gripped the presenter was Samira’s forgiveness. Her words gave the impact to their testimony.
    Western media ignored this story but it is inspiring and worth finding on the internet.
    It illustrates the dual point of your article. Male and female, all are called to discipleship, to follow Jesus. And, as disciples, we truly must follow where He went, to the full.
    Thank you, Jack, so much for your ongoing faithfulness to this work.

    • pud

      Demonstrate that your invisible deity exists….waiting…do do da da dum dee dum…

      • Jean Camille

        What frame of reference are we using here?

        • pud

          Something either exists or doesn’t…”frame of reference” LOL

          • Jean Camille

            So what procedure do you personally follow to demonstrate the existence of something?

          • pud

            There is nothing “personal” about defining what constitutes “exist”….We know something “exists” if it has shape, contour, can be detected and measured.

            Your gods and angels and demons have none of the attributes of existence.

          • Jean Camille

            Is that the same as saying, “If it can be detected by our senses (aided or not by technology) and if it can be quantified, then it exists,” with the corollary, “If it cannot be detected through our senses or if it cannot be quantified, then it does not exist.”?

          • pud

            Undectectable is the same as non-existent

          • Jean Camille

            So if it can be detected but cannot be measured/quantified, it may still exist?

          • pud

            No…If it can be detected it is by definition measured, quantified, described

          • Jean Camille

            What is the unit of measure for a slap in the face?

          • Jean Camille

            Or a rib tickle …

          • pud

            You’re an idiot…have a nice stupid day

          • Jean Camille

            And that was your inner scream coming out. To measure something, we need a unit of measure. What measure do we use for such sensory experiences and what for the psychological component of the experience?

          • pud

            Inner scream…LOL! We have measurements for everything that exists. Biochemical, neurological, chemical, physical…you’re wasting my time. Your invisible beings do not exist….they live only in your imagination. cheers!

          • Jean Camille

            You still have not answered the simple and practical question: what units of measure do we use for the shock of a slap or the tantalizing tension of a tickle?

          • pud

            You can’t be that stupid can you? We could measure pressure, temperature, friction…a hundred measures with quantifiable numeric values

          • Jean Camille

            No doubt we can, but none of those capture the tickle itself. Recall how impossible it is to tickle ourselves even with the same actions as another would use. Some realities are not measurable.

          • pud

            It is totally measurable….We can detect changes in blood chemistry, neuro chemistry…every reaction in the human body is because of some chemical, hormonal, neurological change. You are hungry ….your chemistry changes, you are in love your dopamine and other hormones are activated etc

            Just because YOU are too dumb to recognize this doesn’t mean that science hasn’t

          • Jean Camille

            These are physical correlates of the psychological experience, but they do not measure the experience itself. The mind-brain identity theory is just one philosophical position. To establish it as fact, you would need a unit of measure specifically for the mental experience apart from any measures of its biological correlates. And you cannot so far identify that unit of measure. You have not answered the question.

          • pud

            The “experience” is not a “thing” it is the product of the empirical changes that take place.

            No you don’t need some unit of measure. Shoot yourself in the head and you don’t experience anything…the brain and all its chemical and neurological functions create the “experience” but the “experience” is not a “thing” Our consciousness is the by-product of real things interacting..we can measure many of them with an MRI machine.

            Love isn’t a thing it’s a concept like justice isn’t a thing but a concept….they are relationships BETWEEN things that do exist…people, atoms, chemicals etc

          • Jean Camille

            And that is a core problem with materialism. Concepts do not exist. Because love, justice and relationship are not things, they cannot be measured as such and by materialist definition, they do not exist. A philosophy that delivers us to that end is counterfactual and thereby has flawed premises.

          • pud

            There are no “problems”

            Everything else is mindless woo woo nonsense

          • Jean Camille

            You are right. That is totally mindless nonsense.
            You are saying that love, justice and relationship etc do not exist, right?

          • pud

            They are relationships between objects that do exist unlike your “relationship” with non-existent invisible un-measurable jesus, god, satan etc

          • Jean Camille

            Do the concepts themselves exist in their own right?

          • pud

            No. Can you detect them independently from the causal factors? Do they have shape and form and dimension?

          • Jean Camille

            You responded with a question. Can you rephrase that as a statement please.

          • pud

            No..good bye

          • Jean Camille

            Is that a dummy spit? I hope not.
            You seem to be denying love, justice even causality and our own personhood to conform to your assumptions about measurability rather than respond to the world we live in.
            Also, you have made a looped argument for yourself as in these comments of yours today:

            We know something “exists” if it has shape, contour, can be detected and measured.
            …. We have measurements for everything that exists.

            Non-material matters are not real for you simply because you define them so. This makes your philosophy circular, and you end up getting nowhere with it. Your terms of reference here make genuine discussion impossible.

          • pud

            There is no such thing as “non material” Show me some! Everything is either material which exists or a relationship between material objects which does not exist

          • Jean Camille

            This is why I asked for your frame of reference in the beginning. Your definition of what it is to “show” something has ruled out any resources that do not fit your preconceived ideas.
            You may find an alternative in quantum physics. The experiments starting in 1925 demonstrate that given potentialities require the attention of mind to collapse them into realities.

          • pud

            No. they exist whether or not you are there to observe them. Observation allows for a fixation as to location it does not determine existence

          • Jean Camille

            Yes, I would have thought so too, but the experimenters suggested something more radical than that. Anyway, that is a rabbit hole into another discussion. For us here today, I think you have made your position unassailable simply by fiat, defining any alternative out of the discussion. A world view that defines out of existence love, relationship, and any matter of pure mind makes it impossible to discuss such matters, and your initial challenge is meaningless in equal measure.
            It is unlikely we will agree on terms of reference, so I feel we have come to a natural conclusion here. Would you agree?

          • pud

            Well when you can demonstrate something non material existing….like a god….or heaven….or angels and demons….

          • Jean Camille

            Father God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, if you exist, I ask you to demonstrate your presence and love to Pud in a way that means something to him. I ask this in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth and to His glory.

            There you are, Buddy. Let’s see what happens.

          • pud

            Father Odin I beseech you to empower your son Thor to strike this lunatic with a lightning bolt

            Let’s see what happens

            You are a lunatic

          • Jean Camille

            Hey, come on Man, enough of the aggro.
            I know you disagree with me, but I am being sincere.
            Let’s at least be human with each other.

          • pud

            Appealing to the invisible man made supernatural makes you a lunatic. If your ridiculous nonsensical appeal is valid so is mine and all others

          • Jean Camille

            Yes, I can see how that derives from your working assumptions. One non-existent idea would be as good as any other. Have you noticed how intently you lock in on those non-existent thoughts? That’s where I caught the echo of my past. But that is yet another digression,
            Are you happy to sign off at this point?

          • pud

            I always feel a little sad when someone like yourself who is obviously intelligent and well read succumbs to the “god virus” and is consumed with cognitive dissonance. Such a waste

          • Jean Camille

            “god virus”, eh? I smell a slogan. But cognitive dissonance? I don’t feel any. Where did you see it?

          • pud

            You can speak rationally and intelligently about science and philosophy yet you’re part of the christian cult believing in things provably false and delusional

          • Jean Camille

            Sorry to take so long; that deserved some thought. I have come to enjoy the paradoxical and atypical. Western education teaches us to fragment knowledge. The successful students can screen out distractions to the point they can be rigid and narrow-minded—blinkered and unable to see. My model has been the Renaissance man, versed in many areas. I could not abide the straightjackets of either religious or intellectual dogmatism. Instead, I find a stable flexibility in focusing on relationships. Materialism and Humanism are too blinkered for me. The idea of a master mind behind it all makes more sense to me. And Jesus is the most grounded guru I have been able to find. He gives me maximum scope for personal development. If it is all a delusion, it is still more fulfilling than any other option.

          • pud

            I care more for what is true than what self delusion is “fulfilling”

            Your “guru” has NO evidence for his existence. Even if there was and such a person existed, he would be shitty guru. This character was a moral monster….he cured lepers but not leprosy, he endorsed slavery, he demanded sons hate their father in favor of himself….just like a cult leader.

            Snakes don’t talk, there was no flood, there was no adam and eve, men don’t live in fish, donkeys don’t talk, human sacrifice is sick!

            I would hate to be your head

          • Jean Camille

            Don’t hate too hard, my friend. We are closer than you think.
            I have other commitments now. I am happy to have chatted with you and thanks for your time.

          • fractal

            A vacuum is non-material.

          • fractal

            Deflection.

          • fractal

            What woman would ever want to marry a man who feels like you do, about love?
            And face it,
            You don’t know what experiences you would have, if shot in the head—just armchair speculation on your part.
            Skepticism is fine.
            But rigidity and close-mindedness is not.
            And you have crossed the line.

    • pud

      It’s NOT inspiring…it’s sick and disgusting proving that religion poisons everything and when some delusional cult has a deity on their side every manner of atrocity is permitted.

      • Jean Camille

        I know you, Pud. Your behaviour has echoes of my own past. Little wonder you are screaming on the inside.

    • pud

      He makes his living lying to children. “Faithfulness” to a mindless, absurd, ridiculous cult is a mark of insanity. Promoting your demented cult should be ridiculed and shamed

      • Jean Camille

        Who lied to you?

    • pud

      Doesn’t it strike you as a bit odd that your deities house of worship needed a metal detector? One might think that the “lords house” would have some kind of deity guard or a couple of sword bearing angels no? This again demonstrates how twisted all your cults minds are wouldn’t you agree?

      • Jean Camille

        Yes, the question is a deep one. Your proposed answers come from a microwave culture of quick and easy solutions that foul us up more in the long run. With patience, you will see the more nuanced responses that facilitate stable growth.

        • pud

          LOL you cultists crack me up

    • Miranda

      Wow what a story, you’re right a shame these tales don’t get much air time…I guess celebrities sell better…It was truly the love in their heart, flowing out into their words and actions that made them true disciples, for us we need to think ad pray on would we keep that love in our hearts if we faced similar circumstances.

      And don’t mind Mr/s. Puddles, hes just like old Oscar the grouch!

      • Jean Camille

        Thanks Miranda. It’s all good. Proverbs 27:17 “As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.”
        And that account sure was something wonderful, wasn’t it? Have you found it on the internet yet? The female interviewer came to Samira’s home. So, like a good Middle-Eastern lady, she did not even have to leave her lounge room. They did not say if she had any specific ministry in the church, but she was obviously a keen disciple, filled with scripture and the Holy Spirit; and the Lord brought the world right to her so she could speak the word of the Lord to them.
        Stunning! That is the standard Christianity that I aspire to now. One of the websites links to Vimeo and I downloaded the video from there. Blessings.

  • Jerry Lynch

    The fundamental base of being a disciple is what the Beatitudes are predicated upon: “to be poor of spirit. You noted this: “…renounce all that he has…” Luke14:33 and this “…let him deny himself…” Matt 16:24 Die to self.

  • Miranda

    Pastor you do spoil me, one of my favourite topics! Being a disciple has nothing to do with your gender, and everything to do with the spirit in your heart and actions in the world. Unfortunately some churches still see women as being ‘junior’ relative to male members, not explicitly so much anymore, but still implicitly in the way the preach and allocate tasks, or don’t allocate things like teaching, to women. These things diminish the whole church, it ignores the history of women in the church outlined above, and by holding back people who are filled with devotion to Christ from being able to freely share it just because of something as trivial as their gender.
    “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28

    • Kristi D

      I agree. Of course he had female disciples, as evidenced in the sections from Luke and Mark above. I have just published a novel about Jesus that seeks to find the core of his being, rather than just following the traditional story we always see in movies and in books. My book is called The Transmigrant, you should check it out 🙂

      • pud

        It’s a story book not a history book

        • Kristi D

          Yes, that’s what “novel” means. But I have done tons of research, which you can read about in the author’s note in the back of the book. And I’m definitely basing the story on the more authentic sources, disregarding large parts of the New Testament because the books were written more than 60 years after Jesus’s death.

          • pud

            BS…there are NO authentic sources…NONE! It is entirely made up. All of it. Every bit

          • Kristi D

            Hi Pud, you are confusing sources with proof. You are correct in that there’s no absolute proof that Jesus existed. There are lots of things that are true that cannot be proven, like love, atoms, gravity, etc. I’ve provided links below.

            What I was saying, however, is that you can determine if sources are more or less authentic. I regard a book written about Jesus 20 years after his death (Q Source) more authentic than something written more than 70 years after his death (Luke, John). I regard the Nag Hammadi scrolls more authentic than the gospels, as they were hidden in urns in a cave to protect them from destruction by the church. I disregard much of the content of Paul’s letters, although they are relatively contemporary with Jesus, because he never met Jesus and the disciples pretty much hated him.

            https://www.newscientist.com/round-up/seven-things-that-dont-make-sense-about-gravity
            http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151120-how-do-we-know-that-things-are-really-made-of-atoms

          • pud

            Do not argue with me unless you want your ass handed to you.

            “Proof” only exists in logic, mathematics and by definition. Everything else is a probability function.

            We can demonstrate the existence of atoms and gravity..we can measure and make predictions based upon our understanding therefore they exist.

            No books written about mythical jesus can be authenticated. None. Made up stories remain made up stories regardless of when they are timestamped.

            The story of the christian deity is the most outrageous claim ever made therefore it demands the most rigorous evidence to support it. That which can be put forward without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and there is none for this delusional cult.

          • Kristi D

            Pud, my friend, you didn’t read the articles that I posted the links to… Your quote that we can “make predictions based upon our understanding therefore they exist” is not proof, it’s opinion.

            I have a good friend who is a radical atheist like you, so I’m used to listening to the denial theories. The difference between you and me is that I’m open-minded. I can honestly say that I don’t know what happened, and that either way might be possible – because none of us know. You don’t either, even though you think you do. But unless we have a time machine and can go back in time, neither of us can say if Jesus ever existed or not.

            Here’s your ass handed to you 🙂

            By the way, I have no problem with your being an atheist and denial theorist, because that’s your right. Just as it’s the right of Christians and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists to believe what they believe. I don’t have a religion, and that’s just the way it is.

            I have, however, spent six years studying about Jesus, and I have read more than 50 books from all perspectives, both atheist and radical Christian. I doubt that you have done the same with an open, unbiased mind. But given there’s no way of changing the mind of someone who is dead certain of his opinion, I know I will never be able to affect your point of view. And that’s fine, too.

          • pud

            I just explained to you the nature of “proof” go read it again. It is not “opinion”

            I am not “radical” I am spot on and anyone who deviates from being a rational thinker is the “radical”… “Atheist” is the default position.

            No, “either way” is NOT possible.

            You “studied” nothing. There is nothing TO STUDY! lol There are no artifacts, no trace, no eye witnesses AND the entire story is IMPOSSIBLE and ridiculous as are all myths.

            I don’t have an “opinion” I have evidence and rational critical thinking…those who lack these traits are relegated to “opinion” and that includes all the religious superstitious lunatics who have ever lived.

          • fractal

            Starting to sound like a Fundamentalist Atheist.
            Try a bit less arrogance.

          • pud

            There is no such thing stupid. Non belief doesn’t come in shades. I’ll speak and write any way I wish…piss off

          • fractal

            Touchy, too.
            Got a great big chip on your shoulder.

      • Miranda

        What a fascinating premise of Jesus early years! It’s on the reading list!

        • Kristi D

          Thank you Miranda! I hope you like it.

      • Jack Wellman

        Thank you.

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you Miranda.

  • See Noevo

    Protestants will do what they want, as they always have.
    But you’ll never see female priests in the Catholic Church.
    Nothing against females. It’s just the way it is.
    It’s almost like the CC saying men will never be mothers. Nothing against men, either.

    • fractal

      “Nothing against females…”
      Baloney.
      I was raised Catholic with 9 years of Parochial schooling under my belt.
      The Catholic Church has a LOT OF PROBLEMS with powerful women.
      It is a male-centric institution.
      Which is why they continually oppress women, actively and passive-agressively.
      The Catholic Church, like so many Fundamentalists world-wide, wants a stable-full of work-horse women who know how to keep their mouth shut.

  • fractal

    Yeah right.
    More semantics.
    Everyone can be a disciple, but who can be an “apostle”?
    Recently, an article in Pathos ASSURED ME that only men can be apostles!
    Therefore—
    Only men can hold leadership positions in the Church, women are meant to submit to men blah, blah, blah…
    Sure seems like men want “disciples” around to clean the toilets and bake the banana bread…
    But they save the power for themselves.

    Tell me Pastor Wellman,
    How much power can a woman “disciple” wield, before she is called a Jezebel?
    Where does the semantics end, and the dance of gender power begin in your church?
    Are you capable of seeing it clearly?