The Corapi case: what was said, and what wasn't — UPDATED

There’s been a lot of back-and-forth over the last several hours about John Corapi’s response yesterday to the SOLT statement of 5 July, summarizing the order’s findings and directing him, under obedience, to return to the order and live in community.

It might be useful for all who are interested to see what exactly was said — and what wasn’t.

Below is a brief summary, based purely on what is contained in the SOLT press release and in John Corapi’s response.

What the SOLT said:

He did have sexual relations and years of cohabitation (in California and Montana) with a woman known to him, when the relationship began, as a prostitute;

What Corapi said:

I have never had any promiscuous or even inappropriate relations with her.  Never.

N.B. He does not make clear who the “her” is, and does not directly address the issue of cohabitation.   The phrasing “promiscuous or even inappropriate” is sufficiently vague as to be open to interpretation.

What the SOLT said:

He repeatedly abused alcohol and drugs.

What Corapi said:

Nothing.

What the SOLT said:

He has recently engaged in sexting activity with one or more women in Montana…

What Corapi said:

Nothing.

What the SOLT said:

He holds legal title to over $1 million in real estate, numerous luxury vehicles, motorcycles, an ATV, a boat dock, and several motor boats, which is a serious violation of his promise of poverty as a perpetually professed member of the Society.

What Corapi said:

At every step of the way, through the entire past twenty years, the Society of Our Lady’s leadership knew of my financial independence.  As Fr. Flanagan encouraged, I have supported SOLT and myself from ‘day-one.‘  I have never relied on the Society for shelter, clothing, transportation, medical care, or legal counsel and instead, using my history of success in business, set up my mission as any savvy business man would, meanwhile continuing to support the Society and many other Catholic Charities.

N.B. He does not deny that he holds the property described by SOLT and, in fact, strongly implies that this was fine with his superiors since he was “a savvy business man.”

What the SOLT said:

SOLT has …directed Fr. John Corapi, under obedience, to return home to the Society’s regional office and take up residence there. It has also ordered him, again under obedience, to dismiss the lawsuit he has filed against his accuser.

What Corapi said:

As I have indicated from the beginning of all this, I am not extinguished!  If I were to commit to the suggestion of the Society, then I would essentially crawl under a rock and wait to die.

N.B.  He considers the SOLT’s order “under obedience” to be  a “suggestion.”  This, ironically, from a man who has famously stated, “Vatican II did not turn the 10 Commandments into the 10 Suggestions.”

Finally: the SOLT in its release noted that Corapi had filed suit against his “principal accuser” – hinting that there may be more than one – and also noted in broad outline some of the accusations made against him, i.e. “Fr. Corapi’s sexual activity with adult women, abuse of alcohol and drugs, improper sacramental practices, violation of his promise of poverty, and other wrongdoing.”  The “improper sacramental practices” goes unaddressed in the SOLT’s summary of findings, and Corapi doesn’t mention that charge, either.

UPDATE: Late today, John Corapi made his first appearance on camera in several months.  For more, check this link.

Comments

  1. Deacon Greg,

    This is only a guess on my part, but “improper sacramental practices” might involve giving absolution to someone with whom he had committed a sexual sin, which would violate canon 977 of the CIC. As I said, just a guess, but given the nature of some of the charges, this would fit the alleged circumstances.

    [Thanks, FC. Others have pointed that out to me, as well. For whatever reason, the SOLT didn't include anything about that in its findings. Dcn. G]

  2. diakonos09 says:

    Considering the tone and theme of Corapi’s preaching all these years I just cannot let go of the image and example of St. Padre Pio whom he would have, once upon a time, held up as an exmaple. Pio was unjustly accused and silenced for I believe about 20 years and he handled it the way I hope most of us would: obledience, prayer, humility…and look where he is now.

  3. CHICK O'LEARY says:

    This is a sad situation, but I can’t help but note the difference between Fr. Corapi’s actions when asked under obedience to allow the process to play out and the example set by Padre Pio when his relationships were called into question.

  4. Or it could be saying Mass etc. where he had no faculties. He did not have faculties in the Diocese of Helena so I’m guessing that that means he had no right to say Mass on his compound except for private Masses.

    And thank you for this Deacon. This is very straightforward.

  5. The tone by some on Facebook….is….disheartening.

  6. brother jeff says:

    Well it’s safe to say that a healthy number of bloggers and commenters wouldn’t qualify as jurors in the civil case.

    I think the parsing here is a little misleading, as he did deny “any” inappropriate relations with this person, which would include sexting. For the rest, SOLT was relatively vague in its statement, and Corapi was correspondingly general in his response. I say let the civil case play out, put people under oath, take discovery. That is how we usually find out what the most believable facts are.

  7. He has nobody to blame but himself. He knew the rules and preached them to us and then sold us the recordings for profit– savvy businessman that he was (and remained obviously). He lost the first empire and this second one he has chosen to hold on to…
    I do not feel sorry for someone who has eyes to see, ears to hear and yet refuses to do so, then tells the sheep that they must in order to be saved. I hope people are not foolish enough to remain “fans” and staunch defenders of this wayward businessman.

  8. My main question now is why I (yes me) and others feel so fascinated by this case. I can’t just let it go, for Pete’s sake. Is it the lurid nature of sex, drugs, money and religion? Is it because of my own sins and addictions and dark places? Is it perhaps the fact that this is very representative of what has been going on with “star” preachers and figures of all denominations and sects, not say of the political world? Part of me is now nauseated and I think it has started to affect my spiritual life as I feel cynicism creeping into me, making me think and feel that this is so typical and that the Church is no different from the world. It is not healthy because the other part of me can’t wait for more details. Sick? yes, most probably. I wrote before that this does not affect my faith, but in some intangible creepy and dark way it is. Boy, talk about a whiff of sulfur around this whole deal, it is truly Satanic I think. Just look at how ugly and uncharitable we sound from either side of the nasty affair.

    Pray for me and all others that are following this that the Lord gives us strength to cleanse us from this and takes us back in repentance and humility.

  9. joan chakonas says:

    Corapi reminds me of Judas Iscariot. He’s so wrongheaded in so many ways, I’m starting to wonder if he has a brain tumor. How can a man with so much knowledge end up like this? This is the great mystery to me. I see this as a mystery. God will handle his moral depravities, count on it. The Church will survive and thrive til the end of time, count on that too. But the mystery of John Corapi’s fall from grace. How could he let it happen.

  10. This is a helpful summary, but in the interest of clarity, I would like to point out that SOLT did not claim that it had “found” that Corapi engaged in each of the activities it cites. It says it gathered evidence from sources that state that he engaged in those actions.

    The difference is important. SOLT says it wasn’t able to finish the investigation, so there were no findings as in formal judgments of the truth of the allegations. For instance, it didn’t hear Fr. Corapi’s response to the evidence, since he refused to participate.

    In the normal course of an investigation, a factfinder has to listen to both sides of the story and then make a judgment about who is telling the truth.

    Since that kind of process is apparently impossible, it seems to me that SOLT is simply saying – the evidence we were able to gather say that the following things happened… They don’t say that Fr. Corapi was found to be guilty of those things.

    The SOLT statement does indicate that the investigators have some confidence in the veracity of the evidence they gathered, since they judged that it was important to warn the faithful that Corapi is misleading people and is not fit for duty as a priest.

    I think they had a duty to warn people of this, and I commend them for making a statement. This is particularly important given the fact that Fr. Corapi has made the investigation impossible, he is making lots of allegations against the investigators and the motives of those behind it, and because of the serious risk to souls.

    I just think people should be careful about characterizing the statement as being a definitive judgment of guilt. It doesn’t claim to be that.

  11. How can a man with so much knowledge end up like this?

    *His faith wasn’t in God, but somewhere else!

    God will handle his moral depravities, count on it.

    *Yes, and He will do it with, in and through LOVE.

  12. Joan–
    Its called “free will” He knows the 3 conditions that make a sin mortal–he has preached on it. We can all profit from reading Archbishop Sheen’s book on the Seven Capital Sins.
    Better to read the book than commit the sins–some bad puppies there –by the way, Corapi has given talks on them.

  13. Rudy,

    Don’t get cynical and lose heart. Difficulties have always been thus with the Church, beginning with the Apostles:

    James and John wanted to sit at Jesus’ right and left in the Kingdom, and had mama go to bat for them.

    Peter denied Jesus three times.

    All the Apostles headed for the tall grass during and after the crucifixion, save John.

    Judas sold Jesus out for thirty pieces of silver.

    John tells us that Judas was a liar and a thief from the beginning.

    Paul lamented that the good he would do, he didn’t, and the evil he would avoid, he did not, “Wretched man that I am.”

    We’re all too human. I don’t mind the savvy businessman deal, and I can understand the arrangement with Fr. Flanagan from the outset, though Corapi should have had at least one other member of SOLT living with him. The real question for me is how much Corapi supported the SOLT through the years, and how much that may have contributed to their lack of oversight. When did SOLT become aware of Corapi’s holdings?

    As for the lurid sex, etc… back in the 80′s I worked at Covenant House, a shelter for homeless teens in Times Square, NY. The place was founded by Fr. Bruce Ritter, OFM, Conv. Ritter rose to national and international prominence, founding Covenant House shelters in Canada, throughout the US, Guatemala, etc. He also lived apart from his community, and it later came to light that he was indulging his own sexual demons. I pray he found forgiveness before he died.

    There is a lesson in Ritter and Corapi. Superstardom, independent living, wide lattitude from superiors combine into a toxic brew for the priest involved. There is a reason why Jesus sent the Apostles out in pairs.

    When I was a teenager, my dad needed to drop something off at the home of very close family friends from our prayer group. Betty was home alone, and dad asked me to go with him. I was busy and declined. That’s when he ordered me to go with him. When I protested he explained that he couldn’t be alone with Betty, lest people make lurid allegations against which they would have no defense. What ensued was a half-hour lesson in prudence and decorum, the responsibilities we have for one another’s reputations, and avoiding the near occasion of sin.

    That’s what was missing with Corapi and Ritter. Dad was a humble genius, and religious superiors should take note of priests who chaffe at men who enter community and then feel they’re too big to live with their brothers.

  14. I have never been a Corapi fan, except I was very impressed by his conversion story. I first became suspecious when I learned he had a ” hermitage ” in Montana and when I saw a picture of him kneeling next to an animal he had bagged with a high powered rifle. The whole picture seemed odd to me. That said, the whole story is still ” he said, she said.”

    The lesson to me is never become overly attached to personalities, especially to those who seem to be raking in the dough for everything they do. During the 70′s and 80′s we were plagued with wandering priests and religious who seemed to be ” out on their own.” The difference is that those folks were mostly preaching the gospel of dissent.

  15. One more point – the one thing that is definitively stated in the SOLT press release is that Fr. Corapi is NOW making false statements and characterizations in his current comments about the investigation. In other words, he is lying about what has been going on in the last few months, and perhaps it means they think he is also lying in his current denials of some of the facts. (The statement isn’t very clear – “SOLT also recognizes that Fr. Corapi is now misleading these individuals through his false statements and characterizations.”)

    So that does appear to be an actual judgment of the SOLT team, as opposed to simply saying “we found evidence” of this or that.

    Lying about an important matter like this is very seriously wrong, particularly when he does so in such a public and divisive way. It also casts serious doubt on whether he is being truthful about other matters.

  16. brother jeff says:

    Living alone is tough, especially for religious. I once read that Malachi Martin was warned against it and always lived with a family or within some other kind of household.

    Let’s face it, human beings are weak. Very weak. The good news is that God is on our side.

  17. Christine says:

    Deacon Greg,
    I know of a retired attorney who once represented a diocesan priest against a charge of child molestation. The diocese clearly acted as though the burden of proof was on the priest to prove the allegations false, when in fact the burden is on the diocese and the accuser to prove that the allegations are true.

    I’m not a Corapi “fan”. As an attorney, I am simply interested in objectivity and fairness, and I assume you are as well. In the interest of fairness, you should mention that Fr. Corapi does explicitly deny the drug use charges in his public lawsuit filed against his accuser. He also denies the claims of consorting with a prostitute or with other women. You can access the document here:

    http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/RedactedCharge.pdf

    If you go back and listen to Fr. Corapi’s June 17th announcement, he admits that he has been guilty of conduct that could justifiably lead some to believe he is unfit for public ministry.

    Perhaps that’s an admission that he’s done things he’s not proud of, even during his priesthood. We don’t know whether he’s confessed those sins or not, although extending him the benefit of the doubt, I will go ahead and presume he has. If so, do we really have the right to go prying into his sins, any more than anyone has the right to go prying into your past sins in all their lurid detail, sins you may have confessed and repented of?

    His civil lawsuit is still underway, and more facts will come to light as the legal process moves forward. The fact is, none of us really knows what’s going on here, so all this time spent in lurid speculation is useless.

  18. “By their fruits you shall know them.” What bothers me most about all this, is not who is right or who is wrong, but the carnage left behind. The back and forth. Be very very careful of anyone who divides the Faithful. Another reason and lesson is to realize that
    it is not the messenger, it is the message. I have yet
    to see any compassion or care for the people left
    scratching their heads. In all his responses it`s been
    me, me, me,I,I,I..Pax everyone. As Corapi states
    onward; with or without him the Word will remain.

  19. What is lacking with Father Corapi at present is humility. Whether or not he is guilty, the Catholic response is to humble and obedient. He is not doing that at all. His pride, it seems, has gotten the better of him and much of this has been fostered by his “success” and the fact that he lives alone. I have followed Father Corapi and am heartbroken by all of this. After seeing him in Newark recently, I wrote to him, urging him to return to a place of humility and chastity for even in his talks, one could hear that he was in trouble. I fear for him….he needs our prayers AND our criticism all done with Love.

  20. Richard W Comerford says:

    Deacon:
    Re: What Was Said by SOLT

    We are 50-years into the Great Scandal and the Church bureaucrats still cannot get it right. Bishops and Superiors who choose to investigate an accusation against a priest are obliged under Canon Law to protect the good name of the priest.

    It would have been just for SOLT to simply announce that it has ordered Corapi to return to community. However it is most unjust for SOLT to splash all over the internet allegations that, among other things, Corapi consorted with a prostitute. Has SOLT ever splashed the alleged sins failures of any of its other members all over the internet? Or perhaps every other member of SOLT, except for Corapi, has led a perfect and exemplary life?

    One would think that after 50-years of scandal and betrayal our Church bureaucrats would act in accordance with Canon Law, simple justice and common sense.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  21. I suspect that Corapi is not currently suffering from the effects of drug addiction. highly unlikely. In fact, I suspect the whole history of his bad addiction, and being a street person, was probably very exaggerated. Like the special forces hype, it makes a good story. maybe he was a casual drug user but likely not a bad addict.

  22. “Improper Sacrament Practices”:
    Since everyone else is using their imagination. Let me add one.

    Enjoying a steak dinner in a restaurant, and sacramentilizing the biscuit and wine. Whilst drunk and whatever else he is ingesting!

  23. prayingforall says:

    Thanks for making the SOLT and Corapi statements more clear. The only point that’s really nagging me as a ‘simple’ Catholic is the matter of conscience and obedience. Could you please shed some light on the questions below?
    St Francis wrote ”If a superior give any order to one who is under him which is against that man’s conscience, although he do not obey it yet he shall not be dismissed.”
    St. Bernadette ‘seemingly’ disobeys both her mother and her priest when she was told not to go back to the grotto. Clearly she disobeys them because today we have Lourdes and she is a Saint. Was she really disobedient? Is it crazy to compare her actions to Corapi’s? He’s obviously being disobedient, but to what end? Also, what about the ‘system’ now in place to help priests wrongly accused? If it’s flawed, why is it wrong for anyone to try and fix it? We have Bernard Law still a cardinal in Rome; not exactly a just result for his actions.
    Again, if the system is flawed and Corapi and his supporters want to fix it, are they all guilty of disobedience? How can any of this be resolved?

  24. Patrick Wells says:

    Unfortunately due to the terrible fiascos brought about by the Legion of Christ and the Christian Brothers and various diocese around the country trust now has to be earned by religious orders and individual bishops.

    The truth will come out in court. If SOLT is telling the truth then they should file an amicus brief with the accuser against Corapi and lay all the evidence before the court instead of in a “press release.”

  25. Mr. Comerford,

    I would generally agree that it is improper to air allegations, but I think you are neglecting the context that takes this case out of the field of general cases.

    Fr. Corapi himself is the one who made public the nature of the allegations and he then made his own allegations that the investigators were acting in bad faith and had no evidence other than the ravings of a mad woman (at least that is what he suggested in many ways).

    Must the SOLT authorities remain silent in the face of these allegations? Should they stand by and allow Fr. Corapi to lie about the nature of the allegations and the investigation that he himself sabotaged? I think they had a duty to warn the faithful about the nature of the evidence they have been able to uncover and to warn them that Fr. Corapi is not trustworthy. It would be difficult to make these warnings meaningful without pointing out the nature of the wrong-doing they believe they have uncovered. Fr. Corapi has incredible influence over very many people, and the corresponding ability to do terrible harm.

    These public statements certainly are far from the ideal way of conducting an inquiry. I don’t think SOLT chose this manner of proceeding, but were rather pressured into it by Fr. Corapi’s actions. That is extremely unfortunate, but what would the alternative be?

  26. I’m getting rid of his stuff that I bought at his speaking engagements. Too scandalous…even if he’s innocent.

  27. Depends upon what level of the investigation a diocese/religious order is in, Richard.

    In my own diocese, for example: after we’re certain that something has happened — prior to any court appearances, etc. — if we have hard evidence and it seems clear that this is where things at, the diocese will release a statement.

    This goes beyond protecting the good name of a priest during the investigatory portion of the proceedings. SOLT did that: they were silent for months and months while Corapi hurled his bombs.

    But, from the sound of things, the investigation is over, and here are the results. Mind you, this can only really be an ecclesial investiation from the start, since there’s no evidence of criminal wrongdoing (outside of drug use, which is of itself not illegal persay).

    I, for one, am glad SOLT spoke out to let people know the results of their investigation, just as I am glad when in an internal investigation in my own diocese warrants some judgment.

    What’s interesting to me is this: Religious orders don’t go after one of their own in the public forum. This means that they don’t accuse someone of this, that, or the other, over the open air; they don’t hurl bombs. Religious orders may fight like cats and dogs internally, they may badmouth each other behind closed doors, etc. — but that never seeps in front of the closed door.

    So for SOLT to come out and publish the results of their findings in this way tells us a great deal. It tells us that these are no longer “charges,” but actual findings. It’s the proverbial nail in Corapi’s coffin.

  28. Can we apply Chapter 1: 5-13 of Corinthians to this case?

  29. First Letter to the Corinthians.

  30. Catholic wife says:

    Vocation is hard. Im sure it is hard to live the vows and vocation of a Priest, but they arent the only ones to have challenges of vocation.

    When my husband was in his mid40s, he had a crisis of identity and it lead him to see and judge me and the rest of the family in a way that was very uncharitable (at best) and filled with hurtful lies (at worst). I say this not to disparage my husband but to say that Priests are not the only servants who suffer from untruths.

    It took years for him to be able to see his life circumstances in a balanced way and realize that me and the kids were a blessing and not a burden. During those years, one thing that kept me going was my faith in the TRUTH and Gods faithfulness in leading us through difficulty, even difficulty that involved people we love telling lies about us.

    So if I had gone to (then) Fr Corapi during that time and told him my plight, I am certain that he would have told me to hold steady and firm and not give up. I am sad that he wasnt willing to do what he would have told others to do.

  31. Here is the quote and my apologies for the wrong verse given above:

    1 Corinthians 5

    1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
    6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

    12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.

  32. Bill Walker says:

    Deacon,

    If SOLT wanted Fr. Corapi to report to his superiors and spend sometime in prayer and meditation he should have followed that with all due immediateness. Obviously SOLT realized he was in danger of damaging his soul. Praying for Fr Corapi.

    Vivat Jesus!
    Bill Walker

  33. an inordinate interest in the sins of others is stultifying to spriritual growth, Lord have mercy on us all

  34. Christine: “If so, do we really have the right to go prying into his sins, any more than anyone has the right to go prying into your past sins in all their lurid detail, sins you may have confessed and repented of?”

    We don’t — except to the extent that SOLT has a duty to probe into his conduct and make appropriate decisions about his future ministry and is frustrated by Fr. Corapi’s resistance and alleged false statements regarding its investigation. That is, Fr. Corapi has effectively appealed to the court of public opinion and thereby put what would otherwise have been private matters into issue.

    That being said, I strongly hope that SOLT has a high degree of moral certainty about the accuracy of the information they released this week.

  35. Rudy,

    Just to be clear, you advise Fr. Corapi getting excommunicated? That’s what Paul is talking about in the epistle.

    That’s a pretty extreme example, normally reserved to only the most obstinate, heretical, or someone who has done something so scandalous he excommunicates himself.

  36. Great analysis, Deacon Greg. I guess what I am wondering is why did folks think that Fr Corapi did not sin or that his sins were not (like the rest of our sins) ugly?

    He converted quickly and according to his own accounts, at his first confession in many years, he told the priest he thought he had a vocation to the priesthood.

    This was in 1979 when the minor seminaries (a great way to weed out the candidates who were not cut out for the life) had been closed and the church didn’t quite know how to accomodate. (Now priest and deacon candidates are given a lot of psychological testing!) And he probably was turned down in his diocese and told to wait his vocation, but he happened upon a young new struggling religious order, one which didn’t even have a father-house.

    And we know Corapi is brilliantly intelligent and can talk a good story. It happens but he somehow slipped through when he should have been turned down until he grew in his Christian life (which at that point, had just started!). Not anyone’s fault – it just happened but you cannot instantly overnight switch from life away from the church to that of a priest, a white martyr, which is what Corapi aimed to do, not knowing any better and convincing his superiors he could pull it off. Did he go through the “Canonical year” of Novitiate? Maybe not in a true sense if his order did not have a building and priests were housed elsewhere. He loved his studies and did well.

    Then, out in society with so many telling him “how great he art” and his preaching so successful – all this was a hardship on his faith walk which had never been allowed to mature. He’s a normal man who was tempted and fell – this doesn’t make him a demon – it just makes him human like the rest of us!

    So why did Jesus allow him to be ordained? Probably because it is his ordination which might prevent him from leaving the church and going back to his old life of ‘wine, women and song’.

    John Corapi is neither angel or demon – he’s just human. Jesus loves him unconditionally and we should do same!

  37. I think there is another passage from the First Letter to the Corinthians that is relevant:

    Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? 4 So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, 6 but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?
    7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

    1 Cor. 6:1-8

  38. elleblue says:

    I have read repeatedly that Corapi’s fans criticize SOLT for publishing their findings. SOLT has a moral responsibility for Fr. Corapi and his actions as he is a member of that religious community. With at least some of the informationa available in the public domain people can then decide for themselves what actions to take.

    Personally I found Fr. Corapi a little too dramatic for me and I guess that’s why he has a ‘following’. It seems that more black and white people are in their thinking the more that has a chance to come back on them.

    It would be better for all of us to put the focus back on what really matters, the teachings of the Church and practice of the Sacraments.

  39. brother jeff says:

    Wait does that mean our civil justice system is evil? Probably better than the law of the jungle to resolve disputes. Should we have let Casey Anthony go untried and referred her to the saints?

    Corapi has said repeatedly that his lawyers had no confidence in the fairness of the canonical process. It appears also that, if this accuser is in fact unstable with a history of harassing him, and trespassing on his property, he had grounds to take legal action against her, in accordance with the terms of the agreement she signed years before, agreeing not to harass him in the future.

  40. brother jeff says:

    Let’s for once also consider that this accuser and her cohort(s) could be really bad people. They got their 100 grand 5 years ago and perhaps wanted/needed more. Especially if drugs and prostitution were involved.

  41. One wonders who Fr. Corapi’s confessor was during those years.

  42. Brother Jeff,

    Most prostitutes are very, very unstable women. Most are post-abortive as well, so I agree with you.

    Consistent with my take on things all along, unless we’re talking some serious felony that is also a sever pathology, like pedophilia, I don’t see anything that can’t be forgiven, and after a time of therapy and healing in mind, body, soul, restoration to active ministry. Suppose for a moment that Corapi humbly admitted guilt to all of the charges against him, and said he was seeking professional help with the aid of SOLT. Who among us would militate to see him laicized?

    I wouldn’t.

    I would damn any Church authority that tried to oust him from the priesthood. Granted, successful treatment would require that he never again go back to his former lifestyle as a televangelist. What is curiously missing is any statement by SOLT that they would work with Corapi to restore him to health and active ministry sometime down the road.

    Something is definitely up with him these past few years. He looks like 20 miles of bad road.

  43. brother jeff says:

    To me a lot comes down to the sexting. If that happened, and there are ways of forensically verifying messages like that, then I’d have to give up the ship of my still open mind. But if he was sexting, then yes something happened recently and accounts for the changes in his appearance and all that.

    I still find it hard to believe that he has “multiple power boats.” That I want to hear more of.

  44. “Corapi has said repeatedly that his lawyers had no confidence in the fairness of the canonical process.”

    To me, that’s a problem with him. I think the verses from Corinthians indicate that church matters should not be tried in secular courts. Whether Fr. Corapi has violated church law must be decided by the canonical process.

  45. I’ve listen to Fr. Corapi for years and loved him and believed him a living Saint. When he came to St. Louis and I went to see him there were things said, and his appearance, that raised questions in my mind ….and heart. So when the “news” came out, I was not totally shocked but totally hurting. During my life time (I’m the same age as Father, I believe), I have fallen into a life style of mortal sin three times — once before I was baptized Catholic but twice since. I have a weakness in me that my own flesh and the evil one can use against me. Our good loving merciful Lord gently lifted me each time from the pit. I am a PSR teacher and the words of St. Paul (I’m not quoting exactly) that he disciplines himself so that even in teaching (proclaiming) the gospel he does not lose his own soul are ever in my mind because of this weakness within me. Fr. Corapi like most of us may struggle with a thorn/weakness. The wisdom of the Church blocks many temptations to her religious by vows. Obedience is a gift from God and a sign of a true saint is one who obeys the mother God has appointed for our protection and guidance. Jesus did not protest His innocence or bring charges against those who persecuted Him. He left his justification and glorification to the Father. So should we all. May all in danger reach out to God who in his Mercy raises his children to (re)new life.

  46. Christine says:

    sj wrote: “We don’t [have the right to search into his past confessed sins]— except to the extent that SOLT has a duty to probe into his conduct…”

    Exactly. SOLT. Not the public.

    This parsing of Fr. Corapi’s public response seems utterly useless to me, more like gotcha tactics based on what wasn’t said. “Aha! He didn’t mention it–therefore it MUST be true!” It amounts to the fallacy that silence equals consent. Silence does not always equal consent; there could be any number of reasons Fr. Corapi didn’t respond directly to some of those allegations (although, as I’ve already pointed out, he has indeed already publicly responded to the drug, prostitution, and other women charges in his civil lawsuit).

    All it does is breed further speculation, gossip, and rumormongering–too much of which I’ve seen in the Catholic blogosphere of late…

  47. “As I have indicated from the beginning of all this, I am not extinguished!  If I were to commit to the suggestion of the Society, then I would essentially crawl under a rock and wait to die”.(J.C. – no, Jesus Christ didn’t say this :)

    Two and half years ago I filed for Church Annulment of my marriage. The civil divorce took place 15 years earlier- plenty of time to make planty mistakes, and long enough to gain good perspective on ones life. They asked me for a 15 page long description of my life which, in a sense, is a written confession, and a very humiliating and retrospective one. One of the first thing, and yes- very tempting one, that came to my mind when I begun to write this miserable story of mine, was to lie… After all who would know, I thought….And as soon as this thought crossed my mind, the Holy Spirit simply said – I would… I thanked God for this enlightenment and for setting me straight, and reminding me that after all, I was a Catholic, and a certain code of conduct was not only expected from me ( my own free will), but in this case demanded of me as a member of the mystical Body of Christ- the Church…. I said a short Prayer before commencing writing my story asking the Holy Spirit for guiding my thoughts and 35 pages, and over two weeks later, I delivered the papers to my pastor, who later filed the annulment papers on my behalf with my Diocese. It was an international marriage. My ex had already second husband and a child- why being so thorough, and strip oneself of all dignity in the process? Why essentially crawl under a rock and wait to die? It was a very confusing and difficult time, and anybody, who has ever honestly provided all the private dirt and vomit to the Diocese in order to start afresh, to has the one last chance with God, the Church, his/her future spouse, his/her own consciousness will know what I’m talking about- because in the end, being received back in God’s arms is worth not only the long,excruciating wait and the uncertainty of the outcome of your case, the strange look from a prospective lover when you say “No” to fornication- because you know if you do that, you gain the body of your lover, but you lose the Body of Christ… and the confessional is not a knob with which you can constantly zero out your trespasses against God, yourself, and your neighbor… all the crawling under rocks and dying in solitude and perhaps ridicule is precisely part of the Whole Divine Design – this is the redemptive suffering Mr. Corapi so eloquently used to preach to us once upon a time when he fancied himself to be a priest. All the riches Mr. Corapi posseses according to SOLT, must have taken longer to acquire than a couple of months, since this farce has first begun. There is no Fr. Corapi mystery, as sure as Planet Blago does not exist, there is only one, big, fat-dripping, filthy lie, and I feel pity and sorry for those who have no better things to do with their smart brains, than to preoccupy themselves with hoaxes, liers, thieves, sexual perverts and cowards, and whatever else you care to call them. Weather Mr.Corapi is now Blacksheep Dog, or Black sheep-Dog, extinguished or not, he is simply a sorry excuse for a human being and if you really care about this individual, you will do well to just pray for his humility and true, this time!, re-conversion to the Catholic Faith, rather than buying his upcoming book, which will only prove that he really is a savvy businessman, who doesn’t care about anything else but John Corapi himself. I say let him keep the riches he worked so hard for using Our Mother Church and us all. This will be his business card on the Judgement Day. And, one last thing… Corapi allegedly shared some of his loot with the needy- good for him! God will rather see a last penny from a poor man, than a pathetic decoy from a millionaire. And I’m sure the poor man would never boast about himself before anybody…. This is a great tragedy for us all. Even more so for the Church because it only sharpens the sick appetites of all the hungry and diabolical hyenas who tighten the noose around the whole Christendom every day and ever so stronger. We will only survive this nightmare and save Our Church and our souls, like Bruno here said, with diligence, prayer, and love. Turn your heads away from this Corapi man not in disgust, but in protest, focusing our prayer and hearts that the Good God have Mercy on his poor soul and ours. Don’t let him make a penny more with his voice, with his pen, with his intellect …. Let him crawl under a rock and wait not for his death, but for his sincere honesty and sorrow. He who still has a face, let him save it, for Mr. Corapi certainly lost his and now he hides behind dogs face- what a pathetic fall from Grace- from being a loved Priest, to scared, barking, little doggie. God have Marcy on your soul, Mr. Corapi!

  48. The greatset scandle, as I see it, is the never ending condemnation of the man from peoples key boards. Quite cowardly. He may have screwed up, maybe not, not sure. Neither are you. But does not seem to stop the never ending attacks. What ignorance. The inernet is too foten a tool for cowards. What I am quite sure of, he is the most courageous Catholic of our time. He may not be a Saint, but frankly, we live in a time of few Saints. I know he is a far better Catholic than me and Im guessing most people who Blog. You have no idea what all the facts are, but inflame further scandle with all this gossip. I miss him.

  49. Christine,

    Simple way to fix it.

    He drops the civil suit. The canonical inquiry proceeds. He can then prove his innocence.

    He gets acquitted by the Church, is reinstated, and is once again a priest in good standing.

    The idea that a 64 year old multimillionaire priest cannot live on 3 million dollars rings a bit hollow, so it’s not like he has to do this lawsuit to survive.

    He’s looking for vengance, pure and simple.

    of course, if he weren’t innocent, one could say he is doing this, when he has to know the civil suit will most likely be dismissed (SOLT can simply point out they didn’t rely on this one accuser to make their case, which they have pointed out, ergo the entire idea she has ruined him rings hollow) or he won’t get that much out of it even if he does “win.” he still won’t ever be a priest in good standing for public ministry ever again.

    Obedience in this case is not only good for the man’s soul, but its the smart practical move. that of course assumes he is thinking practically, and not with rage.

  50. bill lavelle says:

    I TRUSTED FR CORAPI FOR HOLINESS AND CONSIDERED HIM A MODERN DAY FULTON SHEEN AND I AM DISAPPOINTED IN HIS REFUSAL TO HUMBLY OBEY AND TRUST IN DIVINE PROVIDENCE.
    HIS MISSION IS HOLINESS FIRST THEN TO PREACH. IN HIS RESPONSE, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY WELL BE PERFECTLY INNOCENT,HE HAS BETRAYED MY TRUST. YES, HE HAS RESPONDED AS ANYONE WOULD WHO LETS PRIDE SAY “THEY CAN’T DO THAT TO ME!”
    IF I CAN BE CONSIDERED TO THE PRIESTHOOD I WILL LIVE A LIFE OF HOLINESS IN REPARATION FOR THOSE PRIESTS WHO WOULD BRING SCANDAL TO HOLY MOTHER CHURCH WHETHER REAL OR APPARENT.
    FATHER YOU WERE MY IDOL AND I AM HURT.
    BILL

  51. As I said, Fr. Corapi has generally been the first to make material public that perhaps should not be made public. Once he puts that out there, he has opened the door to the introduction of facts that contradict his story. Again, that’s not to say that SOLT didn’t take on a heavy burden of moral responsibility when it made its statement this Tuesday.

  52. Solt pulled a liberal hack stunt by throwing all these allegations out there on the internet. Who does such a low life thing. Where is there charachter? Why don’t we address this. What a joke.

  53. Richard W Comerford says:

    Ms. Sally R

    “Fr. Corapi himself is the one who made public the nature of the allegations and he then made his own allegations that the investigators were acting in bad faith and had no evidence other than the ravings of a mad woman”

    If one of my children acts badly in public that does not grant me the right to act equally as badly. Corapi’s SOLT Superior literally should have a Father-Son relationship with Corapi; and if necessary a prodigal son. We cannot expect Corapi to be obdiant to SOLT if SOLT is not obedient to Canon Law.

    “Must the SOLT authorities remain silent in the face of these allegations?”

    Yes. They are the grown ups here.

    “and to warn them that Fr. Corapi is not trustworthy.”

    They have. They suspended Corapi.

    “Fr. Corapi has incredible influence over very many people, and the corresponding ability to do terrible harm.”

    If Corapi is in fact guilty of misconduct then much of the burden lies on SOLT for first ordaining him and then failing to supervise him.

    “I don’t think SOLT chose this manner of proceeding, but were rather pressured into it by Fr. Corapi’s actions.”

    My children can pressure me into acting like an idiot. It is my responsibility not to.

    “but what would the alternative be?”

    Simply to announce that as a result of the fact finding team’s investigation that Corapi’s suspension has been extended indefinitely and that he has been ordered to return to community.

    And what happens next if it turns out that the SOLT gum shoes were wrong in one of more of their accusations?

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  54. brother jeff says:

    Christine, I agree with your comment on silence issue. Ironically, silence used to equate to consent in 16th century England (qui tacet consentire), and is alluded to in A Man for All Seasons. More remained silent, and under the law that should have been construed as consent to the Act of Supremacy. But that wasn’t enough for Henry the ogre that he was.

    In this case I saw no reason for Corapi to do a point by point rebuttal. If someone hurled a 101 lurid accusations against you, would you spend the time writing a 10 page response? Most people probably would not.

  55. In terms of what matters, at this point Fr. Corapi would benefit most by a Father Superior who went up to Montana and dragged him back to community by the scruff of his neck without regard to the niceties of law — canon or civil. I don’t see that happening, though.

  56. Only for the sake of critical thinking re: the barest of information that we the truly know nothings of all facts have learned about, I would like to humbly offer just a few possible remaining questions that I don’t find grounds as yet for complete dismissal:

    So past statements of Corapi have been forgotten or no longer currently stand?:

    re: comments implying recent “Clintonesque” approach to statements of reply:

    On Ash Wednesday I learned that a former employee sent a three-page letter to several bishops accusing me of everything from drug addiction to multiple sexual exploits with her and several other adult women.
    …….
    All of the allegations in the complaint are false, and I ask you to pray for all concerned.
    _______________________________________

    He holds legal title to over $1 million in real estate, numerous luxury vehicles, motorcycles, an ATV, a boat dock, and several motor boats, which is a serious violation of his promise of poverty as a perpetually professed member of the Society.

    Now I’m not so concerned about this since there’s been some real confusion re: definitely any “vow” of poverty and the substitute “promise” hasn’t been so clear either. Diocesan priests also do not have a vow of poverty and these days can easily meet a level of a million or higher if they possess (as many do) a couple of houses (vacation, etc.) and or boats, cars, stocks, various personal collections, etc. I’m sure estate attys can attest to that.
    ______________________________________

    Now if this is to be taken as an all inclusive and encompassing all sides and statements such as those made by the business employees re: physical abuse on business premises; threats; unstable behavior; with a basis for such being a termination; and with the civil case itself being a real burr under the saddle but which deals pretty much with possible scenes as being a basis for its “contract”, then why was any of that “evidence”/statements not included, debunked/irrelevant or not? This has to make one wonder if this investigation was all that thorough and not appearing to be rather one sided. Where in the background of the “team” made up of a priest canonist, a lawyer, and a psychiatrist existed experience for savvy investigative skills such as a PI would have?

    Two were members of religious orders, and one was a lay Catholic. Two were men, and one was a woman. All three have national reputations and substantial experience in ecclesiastical processes related to priest disciplinary issues Now that’s very nice to hear and complying with the PC of our cultural needs, but it is far better, when discerning the truth of statements or evidence offered from such various characters and strangers, to have street smart gumshoes.
    ________________________________________

    Finally, I doubt if the following would be considered by any court of law – including a court of appeal under Canon Law – as more than speculation or hearsay without further evidence for foundation:

    SOLT’s fact-finding team subsequently learned that Fr. Corapi may have negotiated contracts with other key witnesses [assumption] that precluded them from speaking with SOLT’s fact-finding team. Many of these witnesses likely had key [again, assumption] information about the accusations being investigated and declined to answer questions and provide documents.

    So with such an apparent final assessment the public is influenced to believe that there could be no other reason for persons to decline to answer questions or provide documents than the one we are led to believe here.

    Now it may come to pass that we will learn more of the base evidence for the damning certainty of guilt presented to the public here, but such an “investigation” as written here does create an appearance of perhaps a lack of inclusivity re: all concerned.

  57. Bishop William Mulvey who coerced SOLT Superio Fr. Sheehan is a liberal Focolare bishop who can’t stand F.Corapi’s stand on catholic orthodoxy

    Father John Corapi speaks about the Winnipeg Statement
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0ElZMS7EY

    • Father Corapi: must, must see, in you tube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0ElZMS7EY

    Father Corapi speaks angrily about the Winnipeg Statement, against Bishops who opposed Pope Paul VI’s Humane Vitae in favor of Abortion and Contraception and which has fostered support for homosexuality, the ordination of women, and abortion.

  58. Corapi’s statement is carefully crafted to look like he is rebutting SOLT’s accusations, but he does nothing of the kind. Anyone with a brain can see right through this. This is very evasive and vague. He doesn’t directly respond to any of the accusations. Looks like the response of a guilty person.

    1. He doesn’t deny the millions he has and the many luxurious possessions, which is a gross violation of the promise of poverty. He merely says he was financially independent. That still doesn’t give him an excuse for his excesses and breaking the promise of poverty.

    2. He evades the sexual impropriety accusations by limiting his response to one woman. He avoids the charges of cohabitation, sexting and having a more recent mistress completely. Very slick.

    3. He says the reason for the payoff in the non-disclosure agreement was not to silence anyone, which is dubious at best. He does not deny that he paid or offered the $100,000.

    4. His explanation about his resignation is lame and rings hollow. He could have had a fair process and given his side of the story if he had released the witnesses from the non-disclosure agreement. He purposely ruined the process and stallled the investigation himself.

    5. Then he immediately gets back to business marketing mode, gives a false impression of what his choices are and promotes himself.

    6. He doesn’t address the grave charges of sacramental impropriety, he does not address the drunk driving incident of 1999, which is public record, nor any of the alcohol and drug charges.

    Perhaps SOLT will feel compelled to release the emails and sexting records, as well as his real estate titles and records of his other luxurious merchandise. He is declared not fit for ministry, but his followers ignore the obvious and blindly follow him over the cliff. He is taking his followers for fools and continues to play them like a fiddle.

  59. Richard W Comerford says:

    Ms. Marta:

    “Bishop William Mulvey who coerced SOLT Superio Fr. Sheehan is a liberal Focolare bishop who can’t stand F.Corapi’s stand on catholic orthodoxy”

    Followers of Jesus Christ are neither conservative or liberal in matters of faith and morals. We cannot look into the Bishop’s heart. But we know that he is required under Canon Law to pursue this matter.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  60. Mr. Comerford,

    I guess we just disagree about the appropriateness of the statement. To me it seems more like a matter of prudence than some absolute principle, and if there are important reasons for bringing attention to the information they have, there may be proportionate reasons for doing so.

    For instance, Fr. Corapi has said he was given no information about the nature of the allegations against him, or even who was making those allegations. He says this is why he rejected the church process, because he was going to be denied all this information, and therefore the Church process was completely unjust. Of course, this is all nonsense, since the information is all included in the lawsuit that Corapi himself filed which is circulating on the internet. In filing this lawsuit, he made all the information public, while still saying he knew nothing of the allegations. So it’s a bit much to say that SOLT divulged confidential information, since it was all in the lawsuit Corapi filed.

    In particular, I don’t agree that SOLT’s statement is “equally as bad” as Fr. Corapi’s statements, as you suggest. Fr. Corapi’s statements are odd, rambling, full of dark conspiracies, self-pity, exaggeration and are designed to undermine faith in Church authorities. If they are also lies, as SOLT says they are, they are even more damaging. I think it was reasonable to make a judgment in prudence that remaining silent (or limiting themselves to the extremely limited statement that you suggest is all they could properly state) would be too risky to those who are being taken in by Fr. Corapi.

    In comparison, SOLT simply is stating that Fr. Corapi has been lying to his “fans” and that they have evidence of particular acts of misconduct and disobedience. It’s short and sticks to particular facts. It doesn’t seem designed to be hurtful or vindictive (unlike some of the things Corapi has said).

    Finally, I notice you say that SOLT has violated canon law by making this statement. What provisions of canon law have they broken?

  61. I’m beginning to think he may be a borderline psychopath sort of like the fictitious Tom Ripley or the very real Rasputin. Some of the stuff coming out suggests he may have been leading a double life longer than we imagine – not unlike Maciel.

  62. Richard W Comerford says:

    Ms.Sally R.

    “In particular, I don’t agree that SOLT’s statement is “equally as bad” as Fr. Corapi’s statements, as you suggest. ”

    I neither said nor suggested that.

    “The Preliminary Investigation

    Can. 1717 §1. Whenever an ordinary has knowledge, which at least seems true, of a delict, he is carefully to inquire personally or through another suitable person about the facts, circumstances, and imputability, unless such an inquiry seems entirely superfluous.

    §2. Care must be taken so that the good name of anyone is not endangered from this investigation.”

    Corapi’s Bishop and SOLT Superior are the adults here. Indeed they have a father-son relationship with Corapi. What they have done is by public announcement of Corapi’s alleged sins is shameful. Sadly this has been the norm for Church bureaucrats throughout the half century of the Great Century.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  63. Father’s video on his site now is still very vague, he looks thin and is wearing a “Harley” jacket…why I’m not sure, I guess he likes them.
    He mentioned Jesus being above him, you should follow him, but he still wants people to buy his book of course and come to his events.

    Maybe it will die now, he wont talk about it, no mention of law suits, at least publicly, which are good signs.

  64. I too am saddened by this all, as i learned a lot from Fr. Corapi and really liked listening to him. That said, it is still amazing to me the standard that people hold our priests to…people they are still human! And what better people for satan to tempt and lure than those who administer the sacraments and lead others to follow Jesus. It was not a coincidence that Judas was one of Jesus’ chosen and was led into darkness. Our priests have to be so much more prayerful and humble to ask for protection as they are more likely to be a target of the evil one in the spiritual war. How many times do we need to see this in the church to realize NONE of us…priest, bishop, cardinal, pope or lay are immune to temptations of the flesh and sin?

  65. pray for John Corapi and his accuser…. the gates of hell shall not prevail.

  66. The latest BSD post (today, not yesterday), is truly tragic. Say what you want about SOLT; I think they were trying to save him.

  67. brother jeff says:

    God bless him. I think any mean criticism.should stop at this point. He is a human being and there are limits to what any person can take

  68. As people question SOLT and their need to keep Corapi’s name and keep his alleged sins hidden is a bit hard to handle. If John Corapi had not gone public none of us would be talking about this. SOLT and the Bishop did not create a public display Corapi did. If SOLT did not make a public statement after Corapi went public the masses would be calling for their removal as priests because they covered up alleged misdeeds. Now that they have made a public statement they are being attacked for doing so. It seems as I read the comboxes that SOLT was damned no matte what they did.

  69. Brother Jeff, I agree completely. I hope he’s letting somebody help him. “Tortured soul”, sounds like a cliche, but I really feel that’s what I’m looking at.

  70. yeah, I just saw the video. My heart does go out to him. I hope he can find peace.

  71. Emeralds says:

    I’ve noticed with interest (and admittedly, not a small amount of disgust), that there are all sorts of prayers being offered up for the BS Dog, but hardly anybody is extending empathy or prayers for the ex-prostitute(s?).

    While I don’t deny these women are probably less than angels (birds of a feather and all that—Corapi didn’t surround himself with saints), the fact of the matter is that many prostitutes are that way because they have grown up abused, mistreated, and made to feel like dirt by the men in their lives. For Corapi, as a Catholic priest, to continue that line of use and abuse is nothing short of horrific, considering he should have been acting in persona Christi. And he took up years of at least one of their lives with illicit cohabitation; those are years she could have spent finding a man with whom she could have had a legitimate relationship.

    Yet there’s not much sympathy out there in the blogosphere for them. Why not? They were just prostitutes, after all, used to turning tricks to make a few bucks, maybe never exposed to much in the way of religion or Christianity growing up. But Fr. Corapi was a Catholic priest, having the knowledge of the Truth and the gift of the sacraments and should have known better.

    I’m not exonerating these women. But I do think it’s interesting how little anybody really seems to care about the injustices that were done to them by a Catholic priest. We’re not talking about one indiscretion, after all–this was years of using these women for his own base pleasures.

  72. Innocent until proven guilty. If the order did not monitor his activities, then suddenly imposed obedience when under a false attack, it seems predictable to react this way. Perhaps too human a way. He admits to behavior in the past…perhaps drinking and driving? He has not admitted to the accusations. Being a public figure, the order is forced to go public with half information, so as not to dupe the public with their name attached. Being a public figure, Father Corapi is forced to defend himself publicly. Padre Pio lived always with the order since a young man, with daily obedience. Father Corapi seems to have been encouraged to use his independence for the Church. Is he to blame if it worked against him? Many women who are rebuffed get furious. If somebody approached him as confessor, became attached, and he had trouble keeping the boundary, not on his side, but on her side, she may have retaliated in whatever way possible. It is yet to be known. If I saw people defending me who appeared completely incompetent, I might leave the order, rather than setting myself up for their incompetence and destruction. If he had seen competent attorneys and investigation, he may have willingly entrusted himself to their investigations. Would you put your life in the hands of somebody who was obviously bumbling, a surgeon who kept dropping the knife, or a lawyer who could not answer basic questions? Perhaps Father Corapi had enough background to see that the people SOLT had investigating him were not capable, and realized he would have to handle the attacks and investigation on his own. I am not sure I blame him. Being a sinner myself, I cannot accuse either him or his accuser. Time will tell, the court system will tell, and God alone knows the truth of any man’s live. I trust in his infinite Divine Mercy, and have been deeply touched by Father Corapi’s stories of his several efforts where he went out seeking a priest or a nun entrapped in their failings. This is all very public because of his public figure. I pray he fares well. I pray his accuser, if unbalanced, finds balance. If any or all have sinned, I pray for their forgiveness.

  73. I also think of Padre Pio but I think of him juxtaposed to Martin Luther. One was asked to sit it out and is now a saint, the other? Well, we all know what happened there. When we appear before our Lord on Judgment Day and he asks us why we did the things we did, something tells me “You don’t know what the Churchisn’t going to cut it. If Corpai’s superiors were wrong, they will be dealt with justly. If Pio’s superiors were wrong, they will be dealt with justly. If Luthers superiors were wrong, they will be dealt with justly. Difference is, Pio will say “I was obedient, Lord”, while Luther and Corapi will stare at their feet and remain silent. All of them will be dealt with justly.

    My only advice to Corapi is STAY IN THE CHURCH as that is the ONLY hope you have of ever seeing the heaven you claim to love. The Church is filled with Corapis, as well it should be. Ain’t God great?

  74. What I saw was a man who is deeply hurt. I know I would be if my name and reputation was ruined by those who once were considered my friends on World Catholic TV, radio, and blogs and comments posted. I am scandalized by them than the allegations made against Fr. Corapi. Wow, what a day!

  75. Emeralds – We don’t know enough about the accusers to evaluate respective faults. Because we know much less about who she/they are, it is easy to overlook them in offering up prayers. We should try to do better. That’s really all that can be said about that at this point.

  76. The question for me is, what is true obedience in Fr. Corapi’s situation. I know many are quick to say he isn’t obeying his superior, but, the community changed at it’s core after Fr. Corapi had made vows (not of poverty), so were his vows …to the present community legitimate? He made vows to a different community constitution if I’m understanding right. He had discerned a different community and way of life than SOLT is now?? Also,what about St. John of the Cross. Was he disobedient to his superiors when he snuk out of the prison they locked him in? Or St. Francis when he was kicked out of the community he founded because he didn’t agree with the new leadership? I’m not saying I know what God’s will is for Fr. Corapi, I’m only saying I think there may be more to the picture than many are seeing, and many could be making judgements prematurely, not knowing the full rubrics of religious life, or how God might be inspiring Fr. Corapi. ???

  77. brother jeff says:

    If my sins, or perceived sins, were broadcast in this fashion, I probably would have ended it long ago. Enough is enough. Every good hearted Christian can see that.

  78. ALL I can say is that I sure miss Bishop Fulton Sheen.
    PLease, how could someone compare the two ?
    Yet it happened in this blog.

  79. All of this is very troubling to me. I do not know what the truth is anymore.

    I have a message for Fr. Corapi ( Whether innocent or guilty, he is a duly ordained priest for all eternity). For the salvation of your immortal soul and the good of the Church that you say you love, you must submit in holy obedience to your superiors. You must cooperate with their inquiry. Any “stonewalling” of the process on your part is an implication of guilt. Bow to the will of God. Trust in Him.

    If it is God’s will that you return to your ministry, it will happen. Your rebellious attitude (pride) takes away from any future credability and moral authority. You may preach on, but no one will take you seriously. You must truly trust in Our Divine Savior and His Blessed Mother. They will provide all the strength you will need to get through this storm.

    If you are innocent, you will be vindicated, and be restored to your ministry with all the moral authority that made you so effective for God’s cause. If you are guilty, I implore you to save the Church and the faithful from any further turmoil, and repent.

    If you are innocent, take courage in the fact that you are in good company. St. Teresa of Calcutta, St. Pio, St. Francis Xavior Cabrini all carried the cross of false accusations. Christ himself had enemies and detractors. He told his apostles not to expect any better treatment.

    My gut tells me that you are innocent. But, for the salvation of your soul and for the good of the faithfull, you must submit yourself in all humility and patience to your superiors. This is a test for you and for us. I know you will do the right thing, that is, repent at the very minimum, the sin of pride, and so will we, ie. forgive, for we cannot exoect to be forgiven if we do not forgive.

    My prayers go with you, your accusor(s), and your judge(s).
    God’s will be done.

  80. Boy when the chips are down the sheep turn on the shephard. Who are we to judge! Are we grateful for all the years he spoke the Truth and suffered to get the Good news out to us lost sheep? The knowledge we gained is priceless. Were we praying enough for our comrade who has always been on the front line, the bull’s eye so to speak? He has been wounded in battle. Satan knows our weaknesses. Let’s forgive and be grateful for Father Corapi who sacrificed much in the earlier years. In stead of cursing our friend in Christ, which by the way may have caused these problems to begin with, lets bless him and help him with our prayers. Don’t make Father Corapi an idol, it will hurt him more than help him. He is not God.
    Our focus should be on Jesus Christ he is the one who died for us.

  81. Maria: As a member of the Discalced Carmelites I find your comparison of Fr. Corapi w/ST. John of the Cross immensely offensive. There is absolutely no justification for such which leads me to believe you really know little or nothing about this great St. of Carmel and Dr. of the Church.

  82. Daniel T says:

    Maria:
    Prior to their constitution, SOLT could not grant priestly faculties and Father would have had to have been incardinated by the bishop in the diocese where he resides. Since he wasn’t living in accord with the canons for Societies of Apostolic Life, which would require him to live in community, how could they be granting him faculties?

  83. I’ve been reading “Coronary” tonight, the book that was written about the medical scandal that led to Fr.Corapi getting the nearly $3M award, and it sheds a lot of light into how this situation came about. Chapter 5 is background on Fr. Corapi, including his own abused childhood, and how his ministry began. In it there is this passage:

    “Corapi said that a long time ago he decided not to let himself get backed into a corner where the church could manipulate him with threats like denying him a pension or a home or an assignment. He worried that it would be a real test of faith for him if the church asked him to go live in a monastery and give up his worldly goods. ‘Hopefully, I would do it,” he said years later, with an inflection in his voice suggesting that he might not. When pressed, however, he conceded that he had superiors like everyone else and if they said, ‘You’re finished,’ he’d be finished. But when really pushed about what he would do if ordered to turn over his assets, he said he had concluded that because of his statuts – somewhere between a member of a religious order and a parish priest – canon law was ambiguous on this question.”

    It also goes into the events that led him to start his own corporation after his first publisher/managers allegedly cheated him out of the income from his early works.

    And there is considerable description of his relationship with the person whose name is being bruited about as the complainant in the current case. She seems to have served as a personal/executive assistant type and had a genuine concern for his wellbeing.

    This is a really sad case at this point.

  84. brother jeff says:

    Her name has leaked now. Seems to be well connected at least superficially with various Church personages. Questions which jump to mind are why if she was this connected, and he was so bad, did this cover up go on this long. Is she really a former lady of the night? Is she the recipient of the 100K?

    I think we may need the pope to intervene at some point because this is turning into an episode of Dynasty.

  85. Deacon Greg Kandra says:

    Jeff…

    I think this has a lot of the classic characteristics of addictive disorders — co-dependency, insecurity, narcissism, enabling, maybe on the parts of both parties involved. It may be that, for whatever reason, she decided to break the cycle. It may also be that he had multiple people covering for him and enabling his behavior.

    And when you have legions of “fans” from all over the world hanging on your every word and telling you how you saved them and comparing you to the saints…well, that’s a big problem, too.

    It seems to me that someone with his history should have merited much more attention from the SOLT, to stop this before it started. I mentioned to someone recently that it almost looks — with the money and the celebrity — like he traded in one dangerous addiction for another.

    To see him now — with his shaved head, and his dyed beard and eyebrows, and that leather Harley jacket — is just sad. He’s not what he once was.

    Dcn. G.

  86. Milites Domini says:

    48 Lossed Sheep

    The greatset scandle, as I see it, is the never ending condemnation of the man from peoples key boards. Quite cowardly. He may have screwed up, maybe not, not sure. Neither are you. But does not seem to stop the never ending attacks. What ignorance. The inernet is too foten a tool for cowards. What I am quite sure of, he is the most courageous Catholic of our time. He may not be a Saint, but frankly, we live in a time of few Saints. I know he is a far better Catholic than me and Im guessing most people who Blog. You have no idea what all the facts are, but inflame further scandle with all this gossip. I miss him.”

    ———————————————————————–
    I agree with you on the above. All these people ignorantly and viciously attacking Fr. Corapi are either 1) “Professional Catholics” and I use the word “Catholic” very loosely (i.e., siding with liberal, heretical bishops (sadly oodles of them!) for a profit, i.e., selling their books, getting invites for their “hollow” speeches) or 2) are truly “black sheeps”, who dare analyze that which is NOT clear…. How can anyone possibly draw absurd conclusions as the the one below. How arrogant to presume to know the facts and even worse to give advice on how they should proceed. Truly laughable. Get a load of this post:

    “Christine,

    Simple way to fix it.

    He drops the civil suit. The canonical inquiry proceeds. He can then prove his innocence.

    He gets acquitted by the Church, is reinstated, and is once again a priest in good standing.

    The idea that a 64 year old multimillionaire priest cannot live on 3 million dollars rings a bit hollow, so it’s not like he has to do this lawsuit to survive.

    He’s looking for vengance, pure and simple.

    of course, if he weren’t innocent, one could say he is doing this, when he has to know the civil suit will most likely be dismissed (SOLT can simply point out they didn’t rely on this one accuser to make their case, which they have pointed out, ergo the entire idea she has ruined him rings hollow) or he won’t get that much out of it even if he does “win.” he still won’t ever be a priest in good standing for public ministry ever again.

    Obedience in this case is not only good for the man’s soul, but its the smart practical move. that of course assumes he is thinking practically, and not with rage.”

    —————————————————————-

    Keep Fr. Corapi and all those abused priests (many!) in your prayers. Pray for those that have allowed themselves to become instruments of satan in destroying holy, good priests.

  87. brother jeff:

    By”well-connected” you mean she has friended a lot of people on Facebook?

    That’s meaningless. The “famous” who are on Facebook – Catholic celebrities like the TV apologists and so on – generally friend anyone who sends them a request. If she’s done that – doesn’t mean any of them know her personally.

    sj:

    I have read the sections in CORONARY that you have. I would agree. I would also agree that there is a partnership of sort implied.

    That video?

    Sheesh.

    So very strange.

  88. naturgesetz says:

    A lot of people seem to have the idea that somebody has to prove the facts to us. It don’t work that way folks. We aren’t the jury.

    Those in authority over Fr. Corapi, who have the right and obligation to decide the case, are the ones who need to determine the facts of the case. We aren’t entitled to see the evidence, and we aren’t entitled to be informed of their deliberations.

    Nobody has to prove the case to us.

  89. Alan Thomas says:

    Fr. Corapi is blowing the cover off church sexual misconduct processes and procedures which are not in accord with moral, legal and ethical standards of conduct. He is the instrument of chaos that breeds needed sensible order.

  90. ContraSign says:

    @joan chakonas: If indeed the allegation are proven true, think the reasons are pretty clear. The saints teach us that holiness resides in the heart / spirit – not in the will. This is why the CCC tells us the gifts & charisms of a person is no sign of his holiness. Human as we are we often get swept away by the spectacular gifts of one person or the other. “A healthy distrust of self” (St Alphonsus?) is what has helped me. (My 2 cents :)

  91. brother jeff says:

    He said it had been a hard 10 years. Sounds like that’s when whatever it was started, there was that agreement 5 years later, and now this.

    Clearly, if SOLT had been an established order like the Jesuits or Dominicans, the “solo flight” operation probably would not have been permitted, though even those orders have had their discipline issues and scandals.

    More charity toward him would be good, less snark.

  92. Tom T OblSBCam says:

    OK
    The charges have been laid bare. The counter charges have been made. The defense and the canonists have presented their briefs based on
    discovery. The prosecution has made their counter
    charges and the court of public opinion is still out.
    In the Corapi vs; SOLT and the followers vs; the
    skeptics and the conclusion not coming anytime
    soon, may I remind eveyone on this page that it
    dosen`t matter. The Church is not a democracy and
    the Higherarchy are not elected by us. It will be what
    it will be according to the will of God and He will
    sort it all out and nothing we say or do will change
    any of that. Pray for the people involved, stay focused on the Word of God lets close this book and move on in peace and the love of God. Pax

  93. I wish (and pray), all of this “keyboard” time on Father Corapi would be put to prayer FOR HIM.

    Whatever the truth is, he’s a Catholic Priest, and like all of us, in need of prayer.

    While I can’t say I don’t have real concerns regarding it all, there is still something that simply does not add up. For example, I just rec’d and listened to his next to last talk, on social justice in Cincinatti (after obtaining permission from a priest in buying it). I have most of his tapes and have a special interest in the church’s teachings on social justice; really wanted to hear his take on it.

    The bottom line is this. That recording isn’t even a year old. If I were on a jury out to convict him, I couldn’t find ONE thing in any of his talks that wasn’t in 100% agreement with church teaching (which is why the priest I asked told me not to stop listening to his already published works).

    Here’s the thing. No one can get that kind of clarity without grace. It’s the reason we have lawmakers in CA imposing gay history on students who actually THINK they are doing good. Only in Christ and the Holy Spirit can we have that kind of clarity, and at least in all of his talks and writings up until the scandal hit, there isn’t even a hint of anything outside of rock solid teaching.

    If he is guilty as charged, all I can think is that there must have been some unique protection by the Holy Spirit going on when it involved anything on faith and morals. Being that he is ordained an “apostolic” teacher, perhaps that the promise of the Holy Spirit to protect the church also extends to Fahter Corapi’s teachings somehow.

    He still remains, along with Bishop Sheen, one of my greatest teachers of the Catholic Faith, ever. Even if the worst has happened, the least we all could do is pray for him without stopping, especially Eucharistically, and never let the “messanger” get in the way of the “message.”

    At the risk of coming off like I’m in denial, which I am not, everything in me says there is more to this story, and for sure, it’s far from over. Without enough prayer and love coming at him, we all know, anything is possible with God. Perhaps in that love for our brother in Christ, we will witness his greatest lesson yet, which would be HIM picking up his cross for all to see. After all, his famous line from his doctoral thesis on redemptive suffering reminds us that at the foot of the cross, ALL things are possible.

    I don’t know a lot of things, but I do know, God is far from done with Father Corapi, and I doubt very much that Father Corapi is done with God.

    For any reading who can find a hour to make a holy hour, say a rosary, or a few bucks to have a mass said for him, it will all matter, even one Hail Mary or Our Father.

    God Bless Father Corapi.

  94. Daniel T says:

    Brother Jeff:
    You brought up an issue of multiple power boats. The first possibility that occurred to me is that he stores them at different locations that he frequents. Another possibility could be that whereas he owns multiple boats as well as multiple properties, that he could be leasing them out. That might actually give an impression that he owns a lot more than he actually does. For instance, he may have bought a number of condos in order to lease them out while having a low equity in them while the market was at its height. He could possibly have a high vacancy rate and a declining market where he now owes more on the mortgages than they are currently worth. It’s possible that while owning boats he might also be leasing them out. It seems he spends a fair amount of time fishing in Florida, and it seems possible he might have hooked up with someone where he owns a boat and leases it to be chartered out. It could be a business venture that may provide back a number of tax deductions, which if heavily financed gives him the appearance of owning more than what his actual equity is.

    I’d still think these would be violations of a promise of poverty, it just seems possible the amount of property might be overstated due to the amount of financing involved. It would seem that he wouldn’t need to do much financing with the cash flows he has mentioned in the book Coronary.

    My own primary issue would be how can he hold priestly faculties from SOLT when he has lived outside of the SOLT community for many years and has not obtained faculties from the diocese of Helena.

  95. @Klaire, your comment was a breath of fresh air from most of what I have been following. Your statement about geting permission to purchase Fr. Corapi’s latest CD’s on Socialism, makes me think. Do we have to get permission to listen and purchase Fr.Corapi’s Cd’s he made before he was strip to publically preach as a priest? I live in a diocese where the Cardinal and Bishops promote the teachings of known dissenters from Catholic Church Teaching. Many priests and lay leaders in parishes are pushing socialism and marxist teachings. If one has to get permission,we surely are living in strange times. I did listen to Fr. Corapi’s Cd on socialism several months ago . I told my husband ” They are going to punish Fr.Corapi for what he said.” My husband asked what do you mean? “Socialism and illegal immigration are the USCCB’s scared cows , sadly even some”conservative” bishops worship at that altar.” Many lay appologists ,evangelists and blog writers are at the mercy of these conservative Bishops. Some of these Bishops sit on boards of well name Catholic organizations. Shockingly they also work with groups such as La Raza and other socialist, marxists ,liberation theology organizations that are working to destroy this country from within.
    I don’t know if Fr. Corapi is guilty or innocent. I will give him the benifit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.He does deserve his day in court. Which it looks like by the way he will have, because he was advised to go that route from Bishop Gracida the retired Bishop of Corpus Christi and the Founder of the SOLT, Fr. Flannagan. He will always be in my prayers know matter what as well as all Bishops and priests.

  96. Susan, as for “getting permission”, here’s the deal. I had been meaning to buy that CD set since it was out (after being unable to attend in person). I just never got around to it. Subsequently, the charges against him came up, and for all purposes, appeared to be a “going out of business” type of thing, as in get it now or never. I have a genuine interest in the social teaching of the CC, and have done as much as I think possible on my own. I had been curious for a long time on how Father Corapi discerns the church’s official teaching, which, asyou point out, in many of the “current situations.”

    Once the allegations came down, and not knowing the facts, I didn’t want to particpate in financially supporting a heretical division if that be the case.

    So, I found a very holy priest and asked him what he thought. He said too, he has no idea what is going on with Father Corapi, but prays deeply for him, and sees nothing wrong with buying or listening to anything that has already been recorded. He even said he was disappointed that EWTN pulled the recorded Catechism, which as we all know, is rock solid orthodox teaching.

    FWIW, Father Corapi taught his social justice series exactly as I understand the offical church teaching. Needless to say, his CD series on social justice was simply excellent, with much in there for Catholics and politicians who “think” or fool themselves into believing that they are living the “social justice of the CC.”

    Lastly, and once again, it still doesn’t add up. Even if he were reading script, no one can teach with that kind of passion and conviction that doesn’t know or believe it. If he is guilty, I can only believe that there is some mighty “Holy Spirit Protection” going on, because it is indeed rock solid Catholic teaching (at least up to the point of his last public major apperance, which I believe was in NJ last September.

    His last words on the tape were a request for our prayers for him.

  97. brother jeff says:

    Deacon Greg writes well above average homilies. Father Corapi also did too for many years. As Josef Ratzinger reiterated, “hold fast to what is true.”

    I have a serious question thought, can deacons hear confessions? is that only for priests?

  98. HERMITTALKER O'B says:

    Only presbyters and bishops may give sacramental absolution. Anyone can hear “confessions” in the popular sense and a lot of healing comes from that sharing.The Sacrament combines the best of the spiritual-psychological -emotional and guarantees total anonymity. The 12-Step program adds value by deepening the healing process by honest sharing being challenged and supported.
    AS TO FR CORAPI: I have the same reaction as Klaire- his solid orthodoxy and deep coniction about all his topics were a sign to me that they came frfom his heart and not from a more script. IF he is guilty of the serious charges, thank God he did so much good. PRAYERS for all accused, falsely accused, bishops religious superiors and of course the genuine victims. Sadly there is enough mental illness around to make us aware not all allegations are true and some minor violations, from decades back, are equated with the most damaging. No proportionality whatsoever.

  99. As I read more and more of the “Catholic” reaction to the Coropi situation, my appreciation grows for Coropi’s choice of civil process over the Church’s judicial system. It’s apparent that the anti-Coropi side has coalesced into a sort of mob.

  100. usadevolved says:

    There’s an old saying that says even the devil can quote scripture. I think John Corapi is a classic sociopath who used the Catholic Church to amass a fortune. I believe after leaving the VA hospital he might of thought by becoming a priest he could conquer his addictions and reinvent himself. His gift for preaching lead to pride and money and then from there it opened the door to all his past sins and addictions. John Corapi has been living a double life for many years now. The thing that people don’t understand is that he’s always been the BS dog on the inside and cultivated the veneer of a conservative, orthodox priest on the outside. He is truly the enemy within(the Catholic Church).

  101. PD SCott says:

    The video of Mr. Corapi, is very interesting. I see a man that is near 65 years of age– clinging to youth. Shaved head, dyed eyebrows and beard, tanned, wearing a leather motorcycle jacket.
    Is he letting us know he is a rebel, that he is hip, that he is still manly? Guess I missed that, I just see a silly old buzzard.

  102. I was at Cincinnati, Klaire. I had a great day, really great day there. But I had a very hard time really being able to remember what he actually SAID, in between the information about himself. I thought that seemed odd, even as I tried to grasp the ideas on the way home on the bus. Still, I too felt it was all orthodox. And I’m sure it was. But much of it was opinion. Lots of opinions that I agreed with. There were many, many phrases/comments that I heard that I had heard in past talks. That didn’t surprise me either, he is like that. The important stuff needs to be said over and over, he always said. I was going to listen to the talks again, see what concepts I missed. Unfortunately it would hurt too much for me to do it right now.

    I can’t point to that talk and say that that alone can convince me that he himself is on fire for Christ and and the Church. His earlier talks had much more passion and he has like five degrees. He could give a talk like that in his sleep I think.

    People have a great ability to compartmentalize parts of their life. Especially addicts. I just can’t see his behavior the past few months as innocent or in accordance with his own words, much as I try.

    Separate the man from the message. It’s the Holy Spirit that converts us, not the messenger.

    Yes, I am praying for everyone.

  103. Deacon Greg Kandra says:

    Speaking of Corapi in Cincy, someone recently sent me this blog posting from a year ago, which now seems eerily prophetic.

    http://shadowsofaugustine.blogspot.com/2010/07/corapi-in-cincy.html

  104. brother jeff says:

    Clearly he was under massive stress from this situation for, as he indicated, the last 10 years. Who knows what was really going on.

    I never attended one of his talks but I did listen to his Spiritual Survival Manual, which I though was excellent. There were too many references to himself, which I ignored as filler at the time (public speaking is not easy) but at the same time a lot of good teaching.

    I guess there were people really following the guy, but I also “followed” Father Groeschel to hear him give a retreat once. I’m sure readers of Deacon Greg have followed other clergy elsewhere. In general I think it’s fair to say that all of these people were drawn to Jesus first and foremost, at least I hope so.

  105. This is a disturbing scandal and seems to be dividing the faithful. There are a couple good articles by Deacon Dan Gannon on http://www.catholicurrent.com/#/, which take a pastoral approach and give hope that a greater good may come from all this.

  106. usadevolved says:

    There was a satan worshiper named Anton Levay that looks eerily like John Corapi. It’s as if John’s demons could no longer suppress themselves and now his outer appearance reflects his dark, nihlistic, rebellous, evil, inner self. Everything that John Corapi has preached against he has become the embodiment of. The recent video of him in the Harley Davidson jacket is dificult to watch. Does he not know how ridiculous and pathetic he looks? Please John, stop thinking about selling your new website,book, cd etc. and check yourself in to the nearest mental health facility. Get treated before you do something drastic. I say this because I know you own guns. Many people still care about you and are praying for you.

  107. In re comment #105, it’s most likely that the only “greater good” intended by the anti-Corapi mob is the enrichment of its members. Don’t think the anti-Corapi side has coalesced into a mob? Check out comment #106, drafted in a spirit of Christian charity, surly, lol.

    Comment #89 is likely right about the catalyst for all of this, namely, Corapi’s choice of civil rather than ecclesiastical resolution of his case, which necessarily shed light on unjust ecclesiastical processes. However, the mob has taken a life of its own, providing a platform for self promoters who ironically find Corapi aesthetically incorrect.

  108. usadevolved says:

    To Warlord There doesn’t seem to be much christian charity in your screen name. Jesus preached peace not war. Many times the mob is wrong but in this case I believe the mob has it right. By the way the mob supported John Corapi both spiritually and financially and gave him the benefit of doubt until the SOLT report came out.

  109. That sounds like utter baloney, Warlord. What is the plausible explanation of how is the “anti-Corapi mob” going to enrich themselves off of this? As for your comments at #99 — which is more likely to reflect mob sentiment, the civil process where facts are found by twelve laypersons, none of whom will necessarily be Catholic or even Christian, or the canonical process where the truth is put in the hands of officials of Christ’s Church?

  110. As I said above, in “Coronary”, Father Corapi predicts pretty accurately what will happen from his viewpoint: “I don’t trust the people in the church, I don’t trust the bishops. They don’t care about me, they’d probably be happier if I’d die, or go away, or disappear. They will do nothing to support me … So what [his law suit award] could be is an antidote to anxiety. Because if at some point in time they say, ‘Go away, shut up, we don’t want you around anymore,’ I will just recede and become a quasi-monk. I’ll live here and pray, but I won’t have to worry where my next meal is coming from.”

  111. The priesthood is unlike any other human station in life, excepting perhaps, marriage. In its unique way, the undertaking of Holy Orders is in a way much like a marriage. For a priest, his bride become the Church. And as in any Christ centered marriage, the price to be paid is the complete surrender of the ego to the marriage – thus the two become one.

    Guilty or not of the misconduct; this is now secondary to a larger but widely ignored issue. And that issue is obedience. In simpler terms it might be expressed as “buy the ticket, take the ride.”

    Fr. John’s lifestyle, as it has evolved, is more attuned to preachers like Paul Crouse (PTL/Pass the Loot), Oral Roberts, etc.

    The difference between these men is that Fr. John has voluntarily, before God and all of man, given vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. And these vows are as sacred as any can possibly be.

    Like many, I have been stirred over the years as John called upon senior leaders of our Church to be accountable for their doctrinal pronouncements and actions. In these moments he has sternly reminded all of the nature of the Gospels and how we are to relate to each other – and how Priests, whether Bishops or Popes are to humble themselves before Christ and the Father.

    Thus, when the call to humility arrived in his ears and upon his heart, John Corapi was forced to make a choice: obey, trust in God to see that justice was done; to reveal to all the truth, regardless of the time it took or the pain he would incur in the process, or, to substitute his own will.

    Sadly, John chose to violate his sacred vows, to distrust that God had a plan in all of this tumult, and to retreat to his self-created empire of clever marketing and now, disingenuous “spin.”

    Had he simply and humbly called in the auctioneers, sold the empire and given the money to the poor, as Christ once instructed the young rich man seeking salvation, he would have proclaimed his innocence and his faith in a voice so loud that heaven would have shaken.

    His choice could have been to trust our Father to protect and deliver him from evil.

    John, you chose badly. The good news is that you still can, at any time, make a good choice and show all of us that the Priesthood is larger than any one ego.

  112. usadevolved says:

    Warlord – my reference to John Corapi and Anton Levay is not so farfetched. It was cited by other bloggers. Another sign from John Corapi is the Harley Davidson Jacket. He could of worn any choice of clothing on his new video and he chooses the name of a motorcycle company associated with the Hell’s Angel’s. What’s that all about?

  113. In re # 109, the Church’s infallibility extends to faith and morals, not to the Church’s juridical processes or to the official that administer such processes. History provides many examples of the use of the Church’s juridical processes for less than holy ends. The contemporary tendency to “disappear” the accused under color of the Church’s juridical processes is one such example. It’s with profound objection to this tendency that Corapi chose the civil process.

    One very disturbing argument of the anti-Corapi mob is that Corapi should have sheepishly submited to mistreatment in the name of some twisted sense of humility. Whether one submits or fights injustice is is a choice that one has the right to make in accordance to circumstance. Even Thomas Hobbs left the individual the fight against self annihilation. Corapi chose his juridical forum wisely in this case.

  114. And the civil process is better? Or more appropriate for a matter of this nature? I don’t think so.

  115. brother jeff says:

    No I don’t think he is in league with the devil. Or even flirting with that. If that were true, he wouldn’t be able to speak the name Christ, which he did very readily in that last video. I think he is under enormous stress. His speech was a little slurred also so maybe some medication.

    A lot of people ride and love Harleys. Especially out West. I didn’t like the jacket either in contrast with the past, but let’s not condemn all bikers.

  116. Church law is pretty clear. You can’t support a priest who has sanctions against him and is forbidden from engaging in public ministry.

    Since buying those previous goods would still be enriching him, I think there’s a strong case to be made that applies to the previous stuff. (Though on that point I won’t even try to pontificate and I’ll just shut up and let an expert wade in.)

    Now if you already own that stuff, careful discernment is in order. You have to be able to compartmentalize the orthodox teaching from the man. With the long dead like Tertullian (not a precise match since he literally died outside the Church) it’s a lot easier. With someone like Fr. Corapi, a lot tougher to seperate it when things are so “fresh.” What about others and they hear it and like it? Should (not even considering can) we suggest the works of a rebellious priest currently forbidden from teaching or preaching on anything remotely resesmbling catholicism in public?

    In any morally ambigious situation, prudence dictates you do your best to remove yourself from it. One removes themselves by not associating with those works going forward. but it’s a really tough judgement call, handled with your confessor, spiritual director or sound and holy priest, and in accordance with your state in life.

    Finally Warlord, Thomas Hobbs was not teaching Catholic teaching. He was a political philosopher. There’s a difference between civil society and the Church of Jesus Christ, and a difference between an ordinary Joe Catholic and a priest. The teaching of the saints is clear. Fr. Corapi did not follow their advice. We are focused on the sphere of the Church and of the saints, not the civil sphere (though he won’t win that suit.)

    St. Gregory the Great said one should even submit to an unjust excommunication (!!!)rather than rebel. That line of thought could be multiplied infinitely not only in Church teaching, but in the actual practice of the saints.

    The idea that living in a community with your religious brothers while your food, lodging and medical expenses are all paid for by them really doesn’t sound like dying. Only one proud would say such.

  117. Christine says:

    Fr. Medley, SOLT, who has more inside information on the Corapi affair than all of us combined, advised about responding to scandal:

    “If I see my brother sinning…I don’t point the finger at him. If I do say something to him, it’s as if looking at the mountain of my own iniquity on this side of the scale and I measure that up with the grain of sand that I’m looking at on his side of the scale. And that’s how I face the sins of others.”

  118. In re # 117: Yet SOLT publishes a screed full of conclusory, cheap anti-Corapi shots, which had the covienient effect of ginning up anti-Corapi mob to a state of high dudgeon. In the spirit of fairness and due processs, of course, SOLT has been unavailable for comment since publication. Get the picture?

  119. I don’t see the same picture you see, no.

  120. PD SCott says:

    Warlord you are beating a dead horse. Corapi has misled a lot of people and they are justifiably upset. That does not make them “a mob with tar and torches”… Calm down. It is kind of you to defend him but he can take care of himself–just ask him, he’ll tell you he is– “not going to crawl under a rock and die.”
    Besides he has an earthly estate to take care of now.

  121. 1. Situations like this, i.e., where speculation abounds and confusion ensues, serve to remind us how important it is to observe a prudent silence until all the facts are made known. To draw a conclusion based on partial knowledge is foolish. For those of us on the outside there is a powerful temptation to act like hungry dogs tearing at any limb which presents itself. Christians must pray for the grace to avoid entirely the temptation to behave like the unredeemed.

    Fr. Corapi and the SOLT should step away from the cage and stop feeding the animals. The court of public opinion serves no one but the devil and those who choose to align themselves with his diabolic activity.

    2. The need to know the facts has merit. Knowing the truth about a situation can enable one to choose the good over the evil. Haphazard sleuthing may accidentally hit on truth. However, speculation most often leads to confusion. The sower of confusion is Satan.

    Doubt remains no matter how well we think we know what’s going on. Therefore, to indulge one’s curiosity when circumstances require prayer is like scratching an incessant itch rather than applying medication to ease the itch. The more one scrapes away at the itch with one’s sharpened nails the more one tears open a wound in the flesh of the Body of Christ.

  122. 1. In re #119, so the SOLT release about Corapi is consistent with the ethic suggested in comment #117? It’s just further evidence of the wisdom of Corpapi’s choice of forum.

    2. In re #120, the horse is very much alive, although it’s taken on the form of a mob with designs of dispossessing Corapi of his reputation, property and means of living. The fundamental point isn’t limited to Corapi. He’s fortunate to have the means, wisdom and personality to fight back. How many other religious lacking this will be buried by process, “disappeared” at the caprice of canonical bureaucrats and their hired hands? The point is that the design of the Church’s juridical process invites injustice and, thus, needs reform.

    3. In re #121, the whole point of Corapi’s arguement to this pount is that the canonical process to which he was subjected is a poor means of getting to the truth. So Corapi wisely chose the civil process, which cannot be manipulated by canonical bureaucrats who have already judged Corapi to be aethetically displeasing. What frosts these foks so much now is that the fix is no longer in.

  123. Patrick Wells says:

    Whats the big deal with SOLT having to wait for the civil case to be settled before they finish their “investigation”?

    What is SOLT trying to keep out of the public domain? Afterall, its not THEIR life or reputation thats on the line. They already covered their rear ends by declaring Corapi “unfit for public ministry.”

    The lawyers for Corapi and his accuser will bring all the evidence out into the public domain via the court and then we will see what the provable FACTS of the matter are…

    If SOLT can’t control their impatience then they can always file suit against Corapi in support of his accuser. They sure claim to have the evidence to do so. Let them do it and quit releasing legally unaccountable “press releases.” You have the facts and evidence? TAKE IT TO COURT AND PROVE IT like everybody else has to do.

    Cowards. Put up or shut up. Its no wonder Corapi resigned from that passive aggressive organization. Its also no wonder they keep trying to ignore the fact that he kicked them to the curb after they told him to drop his legal case.

    What a bunch of greedy neo-Legionaries.

    -Patrick

  124. brother jeff says:

    The thought occurred to me this weekend how mean human beings can be. And I’m not talking about the John Corapi matter in particular.

    If you have read any case studies of exorcisms, or seen the Exorcist, or the Rite, or the Exorcism of Emily Rose, you can see how verbally vicious demons are. It is brutal. Psychologically intolerable and to some extent physically intolerable.

    Imagine the most back-biting, cruel person you know, and then put him or her on steroids; that is a demon I think. They mock. They insult. They ridicule. With a frightening intelligence. To the extent we pile on people, in any circumstance, we are wittingly or unwittingly getting on their bandwagon.

  125. brother jeff says:

    The main flaw in the canonical process is the lack of a jury trial. It is a continental, inquisitorial process. Im not arguing for jury triaks in canon law, but the jury system reduces the railroading odds.

  126. Could that be a strength rather than a flaw, B. Jeff, at least in a process designed for a voluntary, hierarchical organization such as the Church? The jury system is indeed good at helping the individual maintain his autonomy and that might be necessary in society at large but do we want it in institutions that depend on wise leadership at the top, like a family, the military, a business, and the Church?

  127. “He’s fortunate to have the means, wisdom and personality to fight back.”

    It’s actually not clear that he does — at least not to the extent that “fighting back” will improve his position in the areas that really matter.

  128. brother jeff says:

    It is a strenth in terms of keeping control of.the organization. I think i agree with thst. Although the Churcb does have a good appeals system all the way to Rome.

    Practically speaking i just dont how the hierarchy could incorporate the jury system. Who would issue jury service subpoenas? To whom would they be mailed, etc.

  129. brother jeff says:

    Forgive typos. This touchpad phone is terrible

  130. yeah, throw in auto-”correct” and “smart” phones can just about wreck a comment.

  131. prayingforall says:

    i posted way up in the thread but want to add something else. My analogy of St. Bernadette doesn’t apply. After more research, the facts are that she did NOT go to the grotto after her mother told her not to go. She went WITH her mother after both her parents saw how heartbroken she was. St Bernadette did not disobey.

  132. Some things that remain unclear. Was there no one from “the Corapi side” who was offered the opportunity to rebut or put into context the “evidence” the “fact finders” so quickly came upon? We know that some originally spoke out with descriptions of the accuser/s as “unstable, getting revenge from a termination, physical abuser on the premises against other employees, alcoholic with shouts of getting revenge, etc.” Were such witnesses discounted in favor of some other discovered “concrete evidence” wholly from the side of said “accuser”? Or have they been asked not to speak to SOLT representatives due to distrust or saving such statements for the civil case? I mean if the civil case depends upon being libeled, then if such evidence captured by SOLT “team” is true it doesn’t matter if it is somehow attempted to be tied to the termination contract it is not libel. I would assume that Corapi’s lawyers know that. How can anyone be held to a contract if it’s a case of defending oneself from abuse? It’s not enough that said persons under contract have their own personal histories…unless that can play into discrediting their statements but it would appear that “evidence” is more concrete than that….unless it too could have been manufactured. It still appears that the SOLT statement was either premature within a trusted investigation or that it appears incomplete esp. when an earlier public statement rather forcefully stipulated that the investigation could not go forward since Corapi initiated the civil case. And then, poof, a full blown assumption of guilt was presented to the public seemingly overnight – while Corapi continued his case going forward! Clear as mud so far!

  133. Brother Jeff says:

    Kris, from a strictly civil perspective, “discovery” is crying out to be taken in this case. I don’t know what SOLT had, but they had better hope they thoroughly vetted whatever information they were getting from the accuser. I don’t know if those Santa Cruz employees were interviewed or not. There is just a lot that we don’t know. If it is true that the accuser sent her letter to bishops “all over the country,” that is peculiar also. She seems to be a little bit of a gadfly and if she is the one who signed the agreement, she agreed not to harass or trespass on Corapi’s property.

  134. It’s not only the hierarchy that is now scared of being connected with even the possibility of an accusation being true that they still try to keep arms’ length from even the insinuation that they might give a long term investigation the opportunity to appear fair to all sides. That same fear of “how will we look” has now extended to representative Catholic media and other well known apologists who also don’t wish to appear out of sync with that particular group’s consolidated opinion. As we have seen everyone links to everyone else in this specialized group, but there’s not much individual critical thinking re: publicized statements from the one side.

    For example: SOLT statement: He offered the woman $100,000 to enter this agreement. Well, that could be one interpretation, but as I state below there could be another. or: SOLT’s fact-finding team [gumshoe investigative experts found in a priest canonist, psychiatrist, and lawyer?] subsequently learned that Fr. Corapi may have negotiated contracts with other key witnesses that precluded them from speaking with SOLT’s fact-finding team. [assumption allowed to influence the public] Many of these witnesses likely had key information about the accusations being investigated and declined to answer questions and provide documents. Now, honestly, what court would allow such unsubstantiated assumptions to stand?

    Re: that $100,000 associated with time of termination:

    There is the Corapi statement that he had been helping this (supposedly alcoholic, unstable) couple for a long time. In fact “more than anyone else in his life”. In the termination contract the husband is permitted to continue to work for the business; children as well; it might appear that they still needed employment, even to accept work at a place that angered the wife/mother. The money itself then might just be something else separate from the actual agreement, given with a motivation other than what is assumed simply because it came at same time of termination. It also appears that the possible future endangerment of employees necessitated some kind of legally binding control over a threatening, “unstable” person where such “bait” made it a done deal. Perhaps just the termination for cause would not later have the added clout to stop further expected harassment/endangerment. Just the sale of property belonging to the business on the outside and without permission demonstrates the necessity for a legal way to stop such abuse from continuing. Such behavior could just as well have been immediately taken to the courts to decide punishment. Which way was more considerate of the person?

    Again, a lot more to hear!

  135. Prople lose sight of how failed our leadership in the Church has been. We see from a distance how poorly handled the abuse crisis was, homosexual crisis was and is etc…etc…

    Every once in a great while one of the Bishops will say something that condems the evils of the day, but for the most part, they do very little to confront the attack on innocence, children, family etc…etc.. Pervave evil is growing everyday and generations to come will pay an unbelievable price.

    Father Corapi, I’m sure, has seen close up just how evil the Bishops have behaved and does not want to subject himself to this systematic lack of integrity. Under the umbrella of obedience they can easily be abusive in so many ways and in my generation have been downright insideous. Fr. took a stand. Good for Father. As far as allegations goes, we know very little and for SOLT to release this information to the general public with no response from one of there very own says all I need to know about SOLT.

  136. Observer says:

    First, Father Corapi has been badly defended. Although one can object to the defense he has been given, it does not mean he shouldn’t be rightly defended. He even asserts the lack of due process which has been observed by other bloggers and religious.

    Here are some things for which have no necessary connection to the allegations (meaning, there is no necessary tie to the allegations unless those motives are declared, proved, and clarified by Father Corapi himself.):

    1. Proof: The dyed beard – explains drugs, alcohol, and sex.

    Objection (All holy people with a religous image are upto something when they make a cosmetic change): Mother Angelica was advised to put on some makeup – which she did – when she hosted her show (Mother Angelica Live.) Amid other things, Mother Angelica was scorned for using malox because she was so supposed to pray, trust in God, and have those stomach pains taken away by prayer.

    2. Proof: Father has turned away from the Church – the blacksheepdog label, brand, and image means he has malicious intent.

    Objection (the only rational decision is for religious to return to the Church or the religious person must be upto something wrong): Father was releaved of administrative duty and could not pursuit the autobiographical brand and image as a priest without being freed from priestly obedience. In other words, (where there is a method to one’s madness, so-to-speak), he can carry out his endeavour as long as he leaves the priesthood (he is, if you will, being pragmatic; not priestly.)

    3. Proof: Father is acting strange – he shows signs of a guilty individual and appears to use words suggesting covering up wrong and not admitting to it (and even avoiding to address each item presented by the investigation.)

    Objection (Lack of scrupulous response shows lack of admission): Father Corapi’s response was addressing the accuser and the accusations (for which he had, in the first announcement about the whole incident, declared the accuser was not being disclosed amid the lack of credibility in its’ immediate establishment – which was what he regarded in his overview of what he understood were the allegations.) That is, he spoke of the allegations and accusations in a generalized way. Generalizations (whether someone has the intent of escaping responsibilty or not) can be sufficient explanation used in a response and may not necessarily lack coverage upon those terms outlined in an item-by-item list. Again, Father already disclosed in an overview of what lacked in the process along with the generalized details of allegations that didn’t appear (at the time) to be established with credibility.

    In conclusion (without the ability to reach a verdict of guilt or innocence), Father is following Church authority by leaving administrative duty and leaving the priesthood (upon his conviction of innocence – which is the consequence of how the response inappropriately was handeled from the beginning.) And as such, leaves him with a pragmatic choice to leave the Church and pursuit his autobiography or the choice of returning to the Church without priestly service until the investigation is over. In my estimation (again, not a verdict), he must feel pretty solid about his innocence and is willing to hold on to that (his innocence) in order to abide by authority making it clear he cannot pursuit priestly function and cannot continue other ministry. Unless, however, by the implication which he has chosen, he leaves the priesthood (an implicit choice left by the authority and the one in which Father has chosen.)

    Second, SOLT and the regional priest servant have been wrongly critiqued. And which does not mean one cannot rightly critique what SOLT did and what went wrong (for this part, I’m going to object to how they handeled the process.)

    In defense: the regional priest servant is acting with credibility by the fact finding panel.

    Objection: What the regional priest servant did wasn’t only the effort of establishing credibility (which doesn’t mean one cannot make a critique.) He had also communicated the evidence without the full integrity and protocol for properly handling the evidence from the crime scene (called forensics.) And this mis-handeling of evidence was the blast of information through various forms of media (evidence just ends up being mis-handeled and leads to jeopardizing the investigation and case. Why? Easy, the case is going to be taken as civil trial outside of canonical authority. And the civil trial, with which civil laws are involved, must rightly weigh the evidence according to all details of the case.)

    In defense: the regional servant and those involved are safeguarding the accuser and being very concerned with credibility along with asking Father to return back to SOLT.

    Objection: Reaching credibility doesn’t mean keeping integrity. The integrity of the process (being thast the credibility was reached by the fact finding panel. But, the integrity of it [i.e. protocol] has not been fully kept.) Also, the accuser has disclosed her identity to people on a social network and ends up jeopardizing the regional priest servants ability to follow the procedure of un-disclosing her identity (at least the regional servant was trying keep to at least some integrity of investigation.)

    As a result of the investigation, Father Corapi’s case can and very likely will present mis-handeling of the investigation (which ends up as mis-handeling evidence.) When integrity is lost by those who are supposed to have great care of how such an investigation is handeled and in the process you have a priest who holds quite solidly (in conviction) to his innocence (whether his innocence is true or not), you have either of two outcomes:

    First Outcome: Father Corapi is truly innocent and the lack of due process only made an unrealistic demand of him holding onto his innocence along with implicity driving and pushing him away from the priesthood. Good luck trying to convince him to return (God help us.)

    Second Outcome: Father Corapi is guilty and the investigation (regardless of the side comments of guessed indications of guilt [i.e. dyed beard, change in attitude and voice, etc]) proves so in the civil trial. Well, I would say the second outcome would be better than the first. Because, everyone can pray for Father, see he made a mistake somewhere and is prone to temptation (we all are; though some more than others), and Father will have more reason and hope to return to the Church (a much more hopeful outcome than the first; God have mercy on us.)

  137. Observer:

    Bottom line:

    The SOLT statement made specific accusations.

    Corapi ignored and didn’t address – that is – didn’t deny – some of them.

    Those that he addressed he did so obliquely and without a direct denial.

    And now he has put all that behind him. Is developing a new brand. Has announced “the end of an era” – which means please buy his stuff at 50% off before the end of the month.

    No. No reason to be suspicious or skeptical. None at all.

    That’s the issue.

  138. Joe,

    No, I didn’t even come remotley close to the overview you addressed. In fact, the bottom-line is not a pure matter of fact. What I simply addressed was where critique is due (yes, I agree, generalized details may not necessarily make for an effecitve and transparent addressment of SOLT’s comments in an exact item-by-item manner. However, one can reasonably [not saying this is correctly or rightly or never wrongly] conclude the overlying or underlying basis and theme of the accusations were addressed in Father’s statement – an overivew covering the basis of the allegations.)

    As for the critique, SOLT put forth incriminating (and very spelled out) evidence through channels apart from the investigation (the details for which added more vice than virtue to Corapi as a person; and those details that added more fuel to a crowd already disposed to already disliking or even hating him or having no interest in him – which added a re-action from people already disliking the Church and authority with a similar and equal response to people disliking and already hating Corapi.) Also, the accuser did go out on her own and started initiating conversations about the whole incident (on a social network.) So, the integrity of the investigation and what process that was taken has been underminded (not wittingly by the regional priest servant) but by the flaw of a poor manner in which the evidence has been broadcasted (as a part of being handeled) along with the accuser already putting her character in question (motives in a similar way respective of where people question Father’s character.) That would be the bottom-line of the matter.

    As for the defense of Father, I’m simply stating the attitudes and cosmetic changes, though suspicious, do similarily have correspondence to presenting one’s self as Mother Angelica did on her show (makeup, malox.) Keeping in mind, I’m not saying Father’s changes are on the basis of innocent intent because of Mother Angelica’s reasons. Nor am I equating Mother Angelica’s intentions to the same intentions as Father’s. But, what I’m saying is there are reasonable and non-incriminating reasons for Father to dye his beard and speak in a manner and tone with his new ministry (again, I’m not defending what he did or is doing. I’m simply addressing what he did and is doing does not necessarily tie with the evidence to provide for guilt or innocence.) The presumption of innocence until proven guilty means a man is innocent until the time he supposedly committed the crime (and as such there is the onus of proving the man is guilty.) So the bottom-line is non-incriminating details do not coincide with the evidence of a crime (since a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty; and the man can only share the truth of his intent being truly correspondent to the facts.)

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