Roy Bourgeois detained by police at Vatican

He never gives up, does he?

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A U.S. Catholic priest who supports ordination for women was detained briefly by police Monday after marching to the Vatican to press the Holy See to lift its ban on women priests.

The Rev. Roy Bourgeois and about a dozen supporters had marched down the main boulevard leading to the Vatican holding a banner “Ordain Catholic Women” and chanting outside St. Peter’s Square “What do we want? Women priests! When do we want them? Now!”

Police prevented the group from entering the piazza and told them to take down their banners since they didn’t have a protest permit. When police then tried to confiscate the banners, members of the group resisted, resulting in Bourgeois and two supporters being taken away in police cars, witnesses said.

The three were detained for about two hours at a Rome police station and released without being arrested or charged, though prosecutors were still investigating, said Bourgeois’ attorney, Bill Quigley.

Bourgeois and members of the Women’s Ordination Conference and other groups that support women priests had come to Rome to deliver a petition signed by some 15,000 people backing Bourgeois, who is facing dismissal from his Maryknoll order for his support of women’s ordination.

The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 2008 ordered Bourgeois to recant his support for women priests or risk excommunication after he delivered the homily at the ordination of Janice Sevre-Duszynska, one of several women who have defied the Vatican and begun passing themselves off as Roman Catholic priests.

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  • http://www.canonlaw.info Ed Peters

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  • Irish Spectre

    “…after marching to the Vatican to press the Holy See to lift its ban on women priests.” Seriously???

    Not that I am in any way a hardline advocate for corporal punishment, but poor Fr. Bourgeois is clealy just another perpetually adolescent adult who very likely missed out on a few judicious kicks in the as* from his Dad when growing up!

  • vox borealis

    Ah, the Spirit blows a little harder around the anniversary.

  • Paul Stokell

    And with that, the soon-to-be Mister Bourgeois stands at 14:59.

  • http://www.abookofeverything.blogspot.com Deacon Brian

    Fr. Bourgeois seems to have a lot of energy. With so many more important issues i.e. the dignity of the human person, he should direct his energy towards something that is much more “important.” !

  • ron chandonia

    This is beyond sad. In just a few weeks, another group will gather at Fort Benning for the annual protest to demand the shutdown of the School of the Americas (WHISC). When both houses of Congress had Democratic supermajorities, SOA Watch couldvery well have achieved that longtime goal–IF its founder had not been entangled in what he obviously considers a higher priority. I cannot believe Occupy Vatican City will ever provide Fr. Bourgeois with so promising an opportunity for success.

  • Rudy

    We must be in a conjunction of the moon with some weird celestial body because the lunatics are coming out in droves.

  • HMS

    Rudy:

    You don’t believe in astrology. Do you?

  • Greta

    Looks like another perfect movie for Martin Sheen.

  • Deacon Den

    Really so wierd! My gosh equal rights for women. How bizarre! Something the Vatican does not understand. That is really what it is all about.. sharing power!

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  • naturgesetz

    #10

    Yikes! Who are you really, “Deacon” Den?

  • Vocatio

    Orthodox Church, here I come. Seeing so many clergy undermine the Church teaching. It’s not longer Catholic. Maybe the Orthodox claims are true.

  • Greta

    Agree Vocatio, Not sure when those pushing this old argument are going to understand it is settled now and forever in the Church. Pope JP II said very clearly that the Church now or in the future has no authority to change what Jesus set in place.

  • Deacon Norb

    Ron #6:

    “This is beyond sad. In just a few weeks, another group will gather at Fort Benning for the annual protest to demand the shutdown of the School of the Americas (WHISC). When both houses of Congress had Democratic supermajorities, SOA Watch couldvery well have achieved that longtime goal–IF its founder had not been entangled in what he obviously considers a higher priority.”

    Living in Georgia, you are physically closer to all this WISC mess than most of us. I have heard that it ceased to be a serious protest several years back (immediately post 9/11 ?) and now has deteriorated more into a street carnival — complete with “carny” style vendors who set up several days in advance.

    Whether that shift occurred because Fr. Roy found other avenues for his interest and energy, is something open to debate.

    While I agree that the chance of actually shutting WISC down now is less-than-slim, whether that ever was a serious possibility is also something open to debate.

    Only the very best of blessings!

  • George

    “Reverend” Roy Bourgeois was excommunicated in 2008.

    “Ladislas Orsy, a canon lawyer at Georgetown University, told NCR that once Bourgeois is laicized by the Vatican congregation there would be no recourse for reconsideration of his case, barring intervention from Pope Benedict XVI.”

    http://www.ncronline.org/news/women/maryknoll-gives-bourgeois-notice-removal-order

  • ron chandonia

    Deacon Norb #14: In 2007, Congress did vote on cutting off funding for the renamed SOA (WHISC0. The measure came within 6 votes of passing the House. At the time, Democrats controlled both houses, and the percentages increased (and Congress grew more liberal) after the 2008 election. Many of us certainly expected Fr. Roy’s longtime crusade would at last pay off.

    But Fr. Roy himself was busy frying other fish. In August 2008, he participated in the ordination ceremony for which he later faced excommunication. SOA Watch goes on and, as you suggested, its activities at Ft. Benning have taken on a left-wing carnival atmosphere, but without the charismatic commitment and direction Fr. Roy provided. As the country takes a politically conservative turn, the SOA (WHISC) is safe.

    BTW, I have met both Fr. Roy and Fr. Frank Pavone, and I found both of them attractively charismatic individuals. But it’s no surprise to me that both have had serious conflicts with Church authority.

  • Little One

    Vocatio and Greta…I already went East and have returned. It is no more sane there than in the West. What matters is our OWN adherence, love, faith, and hope.

  • Peregrinus

    I’ll say this for him, he gets an A for stick-to-it-iveness..

  • http://abbey-roads.blogspot.com/ terry nelson

    He’s so… matriarchal.

  • friscoeddie

    He was a US naval officer on a fighting ship so as Pererinus says.
    “I’ll say this for him, he gets an A for stick-to-it-iveness..’
    That’s what makes a man.. not snark.. Too bad you guys never met him… no wimp there..

  • Vocatio

    Thanks, Little One. As much as I’m attracted to the Eastern Orthodox Church, I plan to stay. My performance is merely hyperbole for my reaction to the clergy that are dissenting on such issues. The word “heretic” isn’t accepted on Catholic Answers without being banned. So, I avoid saying it these days. Ironically, Karl Keating may not allow it to be said on his website, but my pastor just said it this past Sunday during the homily. I love a good priest, particularly one that adheres to orthodox Catholic teaching.

  • Deacon Norb

    #21 Vocatio

    “The word “heretic” isn’t accepted on Catholic Answers without being banned. So, I avoid saying it these days. Ironically, Karl Keating may not allow it to be said on his website, but my pastor just said it this past Sunday during the homily.”

    You might want to consider that most of the time a layperson — maybe some priests also– uses the term “heretic,” it is used incorrectly. I was a pastoral supporter of Karl Keating’s ministry way back when he first started out in the 1980′s. I cannot say whether — or even why — he has been asked to avoid the term “heretic” but improper usage may be a part of it.

    Canon law defines it very narrowly. Dissent, even public dissent, from the Teaching Magisterium of the Church is just that “Dissent.” It is not, by definition, “heresy.”

    To be considered a formal heretic, several very specific conditions must be met; the most critical of which is that your teaching must directly attack the eternal and universal truths publicly defined as Roman Catholic DOGMA. Those eternal and universal truths, however, no where near as extensive as some folks think.

    Publicly dissenting from the Virgin Birth of Jesus of Nazareth, or the leadership role of the Bishop of Rome (by whatever human title we give him); or even from the Dogma of the Assumption can easily get you branded officially as a “heretic” providing other conditions are met.

    On the other hand, you can easily enough dissent from the “Seamless Robe Theory”; the Magisterium’s long support of labor unions; a bishop’s choice of vernacular translations of the Bible to be used in Mass; or even whether Lady May of Nazareth ever appeared at Bayside New York without ever having to worry about being tagged a “heretic” at all.

  • MD Catholic

    . . . . . . . yawn . . . . . . .

  • Rudy

    Like other dissidents this guy probably thinks he is a great Martyr (Curran, Kung, etc.), being arrested and all…

  • S D Jones

    I really love the intellectual rigor involved in the chant: “What do we want…..etc.” Has no one told him: Mars Needs Womenpriests?

  • http://www.dominusest.us David Homoney

    Greta #9: How could you say that? Martin Sheen and son are in The Way. Haven’t you seen they are now stalwart and faithful Catholics now. They have been blessed by mainstream Catholic press now. Everybody should laud praise upon them and follow their lead as newly christened orthodox Catholics.

  • Rita

    The responses to this story are really sad and a little scary. I have the greatest admiration for Fr. Roy Bourgeois. Please read the Gospels and open your hearts to understand that Jesus embraced women as well as men. Jesus sent women to evangelize to others and he presented the Good News to women as well as men. Roy Bourgeois has risked his life as a missionary and now his standing in the Church as he follows his conscience. He wants the Church to be all that Jesus wants us to be. He is a good person yet so many responders here take glee in malgning him. So very sad…

  • Rita

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  • RomCath

    “The responses to this story are really sad and a little scary. I have the greatest admiration for Fr. Roy Bourgeois.”

    Glad you have admiration for him Rita but I don’t. He is clearly disobeying what is official church teaching on the matter. This teaching was made definitive by Pope John Paul II. Father has the responsibilty to uphold church teaching not deny it.
    What is sad is the bad example he is giving.


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