Ryan: Catholics can disagree about the budget

He made his remarks in a speech at Georgetown:

U.S. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, under criticism from some fellow Catholics, said his financial plan’s call for cuts in federal aid to the poor is consistent with the church’s teachings.

In a speech today at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution in the nation’s capital, Ryan said his proposal complies with the church’s admonishments to care for the needy. “The work I do as a Catholic holding office conforms to the social doctrine as best as I can make of it,” said Ryan of Wisconsin, the House’s chief budget-writer and a possible Republican vice presidential candidate.

“There can be differences among faithful Catholics on this,” Ryan said. “If there was ever a time for serious but respectful discussion among Catholics as well as those who don’t share our faith, that time is now.”

Ryan was criticized by some Catholics after he told the Christian Broadcasting Network this month that his Catholic upbringing was reflected in his budget, which calls for substantial cuts in food stamps, the Medicaid health-care program and other types of assistance to the needy.

A group of protesters silently raised a banner as Ryan spoke that read, “Stop the war on the poor” and “no social justice in Ryan’s budget.” Almost 90 members of Georgetown’s faculty and administrators signed a letter to Ryan accusing him of misusing the Catholic faith.

“Your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the gospel of Jesus Christ,” the letter said.

“We would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few,” the faculty members’ letter said.

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote to lawmakers last week urging them to reject the food stamp cuts proposed by Ryan’s budget.

“We join other Christian leaders in insisting ‘a circle of protection’ be drawn around essential programs that serve poor and vulnerable people,” the bishops’ letter said.

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Comments

  1. Notice that the report fails to mention that the group, “Catholics United”, protesting Paul was funded by George Soros?

    This is astroturf.

    1) “The Soros-funded Tides Foundation has given $65,000 to the organization since 2007, and has given nearly $200,000 to the affiliated group Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good [emphasis added],” the Washington Free Beacon reports.

    2) “Catholic League president Bill Donohue refers to Catholics United as a “Soros-funded front group” which has been “created for the sole purpose of promoting liberal policies” that are contrary to teachings of the Catholic Church, according to the same report.”

    “They don’t have legitimate membership,” he told the Washington Free Beacon. “But every election year they get resurrected.”

    3) “Catholics United threw its support behind President Obama in 2008, denounced the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony group as an “extremist” organization”

  2. Notice that those who argue that cuts will be devestating never mention specifics. Before I take criticism of Paul Ryan’s budget seriously, I want to know the specifics of what is being cut. For instance food stamps is going from xxxxx down to yyyyy. And then I’ll judge for myself. We’ve had budget cuts before both under Clinton and Republican administrations. The poor seem to keep on making it. What Washington calls cuts is a reduction to the rate of growth, not real reductions.

    In fact we had welfare reform (signed under Clinton) where the left said people would be starving and dying in the streets. Well that didn’t happen. The left keeps crying wolf. So tiresome. They have nothing to offer.

  3. Caesar does not need to be sole tributary to the poor. That can be done by the responsibility of private institutions and individuals. Lately, Caesar does not appear to want to be friends with Mother Church anymore..who wants to be friends with somebody who hates you and won’t listen? On the “Right to Life Issues” there can be no disagreement…on matters of economics there is more than one way to skin that cat and it does not have to be a centralized tax and redistribute system of economics.

    In addition, I would ask these social justice Catholics to examine the shocking waste committed by this tenured and unaccountable bureaucracy, in which these programs are administered. Upon review of these financials, I would ask those social justice Catholics if they thought it scandalous, immoral, and unethical to waste that kind of money & resources within the inefficient institutional processes of a monolithic organizations, before it finally trickles out to get to the needy and destitute.

    It is immoral by our federal leaders and budget holders to put the country in this kind of debt.

  4. Barbara P says:

    I don’t know about specific spending cuts but it is my understanding the Ryan budget privatizes Medicaire and puts recipients on a voucher system with a limited monetary amount available. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This privatization and limited voucher system makes me very uncomfortable.

  5. Barbara P says:

    Why are you using the phrase “social justice Catholics” as an insult?

  6. “This privatization and limited voucher system makes me very uncomfortable.”

    Does the fact that it makes you, or anyone else, uncomfortable mean it’s immoral or inconsistent with Church teaching?

  7. Barbara P:
    Perhaps, Tyler is a fan of Glenn Beck. (Am I right, Tyler? If not, I apologize for a gratuitous assumption on my part.)

  8. Manny,
    In response to your comment: “Notice that those who argue that cuts will be devestating never mention specifics.”

    One group who have been arguing that the cuts would be devastating for the poor is the USCCB. Perhaps, Bishop Stephen Blaire, Chairman of the USCCB Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development, would have the kind of raw data that you are seeking.

  9. Joe Mc Faul says:

    “On the “Right to Life Issues” there can be no disagreement…on matters of economics there is more than one way to skin that cat.”

    This, of course, is incorrect. On right to life issues there can be susbtantial diagreement over the best way to achieve the goal and there are indeed many ways to skin that cat. Goverment efforts to achieve a “right to life goal” are not likely to be any more successful than government efforts to achieve a “social justice goal.” There are even substantial disagreements as to the proper private measures that should be taken to achive the goal.

    Ryan is right to say, ““There can be differences among faithful Catholics on this.” I’d liek to hear more details from him and the bishops. It was not a good idea, however, to suggest his budget was a reflection of his Catholic upbringing.

  10. No, but I like Glenn Reynolds!

  11. I have not read Paul Ryan’s entire speech, but I would like to know who is the person who advised him to pull Thomas Aquinas out of the hat when we have so many recent Catholic writings.

    He said: “The work I do as a Catholic holding office conforms to the social doctrine as best as I can make of it.” He needs to be more informed about Catholic social teaching.

    He has a good deal of knowledge of and respect for Ayn Rand’s economic philosophy. (I don’t understand how a devout Catholic can support her philosophy.) But he shows very little knowledge of papal encyclicals and U.S. bishops’ pastoral letters, such as “Economic Justice for All.”

    I don’t think he ever thought that the U.S. bishops would find fault with his budget. His website says that he is a member of St. John Vianney’s Parish and he known to be pro-life. Perhaps, he thinks that is sufficient for Catholic identity.

    This may be a teachable moment for him. I hope.

  12. Tyler:
    I do not know much about Glenn Reynolds, so I had to google him. I found out that he supports embryonic stem cell research, abortion rights, and same-sex civil unions. Also, he has said: “Personally, I’d be delighted to live in a country where happily married gay couples had closets full of assault weapons.”

    Tsk, tsk tsk.

  13. Joe,

    That is a good point but I was purposing blending ethical points with what I believe the government is good at and what it is not good at. Or even more to the point…what it should be concentrating on and what it should not be concentrating on based on needs and priorities. You need to have “Life First” before you can worry about “Riches”.

    I think the government is extremely wasteful and I find that waste to be immoral. I also generally believe the government is better at the safety and security role, (though I don’t like despot police states and wasteful spending here) rather than discerning income and resource distribution.

    I do believe Mammon is incredibly destructive. However, I also believe Free Market economics has generally pulled most people out of what “Poverty” used to be realistically understood as.

  14. Glenn Ford than?

  15. Nothing per se, but I think people who identify as “Social Justice” Catholics instead of Catholic are in actuality, “as they sit today” are the group most apt, to confuse politics and their religion, than any other sub-tribe/group in the Church.

    In even more clarity, yes, I will walk through your door, I generally do not have good thoughts about this group and am highly suspect of them.

  16. Ayn Rand – Paul Ryan “Discipleship” references are canards and red herrings. So he read, “Atlas Shrugged” and referenced it and globbed onto a few ideas…. whooped dee doo.

  17. Tyler:
    Glen Ford is better but don’t ask his four wives.

  18. Tyler:
    Paul Ryan has said that Ayn Rand was a significant influence on his thinking but I can’t find the source. (Wish we had gotten to him first.)

    But, you may want to see this video on Youtube. (A lot more than to “whooped dee doo” about. )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmW19uoyuO8

  19. Do you notice how Paul Ryan (and his supporters) use the “reasonable [Catholic] minds can disagree” approach to suggest that Catholics should NOT criticize his budget on moral grounds. In effect, his argument turns into “Back off. People who don’t cherish tax cuts for the wealthy, while the poor end up having less of a safety net, should not raise moral objections to my budget.”

    Yes, obviously people — good people, good Catholics — can and do disagree about budgeting priorities and tax policy. But Ryan sets the stage for criticism of his budget on moral grounds because he has (in the recent past) discussed how his faith informs his work in Congress. When he makes that sort of connection, he opens the door to his budget priorities being questioned in terms of whether or not his regard for the poor is consistent with gospel teachings.

  20. The name Glenn appears to be ill omen

  21. Because Jesus was such a fan of Caesar or making Caesar the great mediator of everything…..dealing with the poor does not require Caesar as medium

  22. That video is a long way from someone being called “randian” ….the individual and personal freedom are important ideals…even Buckley liked some of ayn rands ideas but explicitly condemned her debauched atheism and anti altruism..

  23. I saw one evaluation of the Ryan budget (sorry I do not remember what group) that indicated that, with the tax cuts he includes, that budgets for everything except defense would be down and the budget still would not be balanced. There is so much rhetoric from these people and so little fact.

    For a start, we should get out of Afghanistan and close many of our overseas military bases. Also evaluate what domestic programs work and what does not work.

    All anyone who thinks the government should get out of the food assistance and medical assistance business has to do is take care of the poor themselves. Go for it. Still waiting!

    Anyone who thinks the poor are not suffering should go to a food bank or free clinic.

  24. It means that people will get vouchers that will cover part of their health care cost and they will have to make up a bigger and bigger portion of the premiums and copayments as time goes on. It is immoral if people end up having to choose between paying for health care, eating, paying rent, or paying utility bills.

  25. Fiergenholt says:

    I really have not read Congressman Ryan’s budget proposal. Frankly, I’m not interested. But what I am fascinated with is Ryan’s addiction to Ethical Egoism, the philosophical and ethical mindset that Ayn Rand created in all of her writings — not just “Atlas Shrugged.”

    That whole social and ethical structure Rand created for her fictional characters in those novels is based uniformly upon one of the seven deadly sins — “GREED.” Rand taught a basic fallacy as fact. “GREED IS GOOD.” I’ll leave it to one of the deacons to explain how fundamentally wrong that is.

  26. i find it. intriguing a conservative icon says reasonable Catholics can disagree, and the two bishops who wrote for the USSCB don’t. write for all bishops, and bother criticizes the bishops and all is ok. But let a perceived liberal SU the same and all hell breaks loose. Geoge Soros evil incarnate, but the Kock brothers and ALEC are OK. Interesting cafeteria.

  27. I guess you have not noticed the hugely increasing gap between rich and poor in this country, the increase in people using food banks, the increase in bankruptcies, the foreclosure crises, increasing numbers of beggars on the streets of America’s cities and suburbs? Have all of these signs of the downward trends already in our society before the Ryan armageddon budget evaded you?

  28. So let them present the specific cuts. I maintain that these cuts are reductions of growth, not numerical cuts. I want to see the numbers. The critics always talk in generalities.

  29. Barbara P says:

    I have not studied the projected impact and i am not an expert so at this point I cant state with certainty what the impact will be but if the vulnerable people who depend on Medicaire do not get adequate health care or are taken advantage of by for profit companies accountable to nothing but the profit margin, then I would say it is not pro life and could end up being immoral. Can you guarantee the effect of privatization?

  30. Absolutely! Taking money from other people to give to others has never struck me as being Christian. Where’s the charity in that?

  31. What cxan I tell you? The Obama economy has been a disaster and a failure. Obviously you’re seeing the evidence yourself. We need to start righting this ship so the poor don’t suffer. Bad economies hurt the poor more than the middle class or rich.

  32. Barbara P says:

    Stereotyping is not fair. Get to know people on a personal level without putting labels on them. I think you might be surprised.

  33. ron chandonia says:

    At a forum at one of our parishes this evening, a seminarian was commenting on how readily American Catholics seem to confllate positions derived from their race-class-political affiliation with the teachings of the Church. He pointed out that this was true not only of Catholics-in-the-pew but of those aspiring to join the clergy as well. It is certainly evident among the deacon candidates I teach, and I suspect it happens because so few of us have learned to think of ourselves as Christians first and foremost–and then to identify and judge the values we may have imbibed from other sources by the light of our Christian faith.

  34. Mark Greta says:

    I have a question on Catholic Social Justice. If this is according to many here, a solid teaching of the Catholic Church you want to be non negotiable, it seems like it would be against Catholic teaching to close parishes and schools in poor neighborhoods while growing in the rich suburban neighborhoods. Shouldn’t the Bishop in those areas take money by force from all those parishes and give it to the poor? Has the Pope spoke from the Chair of Peter on this issue mandating that all Catholics accept this position? What would happen to the donations to support the parishs if this was done? I would bet many liverals, who often do not attend church in the parish each and every week and donate to that parish to support it, would find nothing wrong with taking others donations by force and redistributing them to others. The Church has parishes because the money, time, and talent donated to the parish is utilized much more effectively on this local close the person level. The same is true moving to the next level of the dioceses. You do not see the USCCB forcing “taxes” or donations to be taken from every Catholic parish and sent to the USCCB headquarters to run programs for the people in each parish in need. The dioceses office has donations once a year for funds for work within the dioceses such as for retired religious and others. Recently, we have seen even here that this separation between donar and spender ends up with huge controversy where funds have gone to groups who do things that are grave evils in direct contrast with authentic Catholic teaching. The Church has learned over its 2000 year history. They have had many amazing saints such as St Thomas Aquinas and others who have been given the tasks of forming Church teaching which are essential to staying true to Christ and how best the human beings deal with various programs. We have Pope’s like JPII who had first hand experience with the nazi socialist party and the USSR communist system followed by long study of the free market capitalist system and found all wanting in some way. What was most consistent was the understanding of the principle of subsidiarity which he wrote about in his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus where he took the “social assistance state” to task.

    One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.

    Pope JPII wrote that the Welfare State was contradicting the principle of subsidiarity by intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility. This “leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending.”

    I would encourage those who think the Ryan Plan does not meet what was taught to Catholics for generations to look a little deeper and read what Pope JPII had to say on the topic. Then you will start to understand why Ryan said what he was doing was in fact in line with his Catholic faith.

    The Bishops who disagree with Ryan in my view do not agree with what Pope JPII wrote which Pope Benedict XVI agreed with 100%. It is also what a number of other Bishops and Cardinals have written about on this topic. I think you will see the Catholic Church
    Social teaching on this move away from the distortions of the last 30-40 years and much more in line with solid Catholic teaching. The proof of that teaching is how the Church set up Dioceses and parishes.

  35. Mark Greta says:

    It appears that most here being critical are all on the same talking points. The Ryan Plan is not that difficult to read as compared so say Obamacare which no one on the planet has read, especially those who voted for it. There are areas I would do differently, but on the whole, I think it is one of, if not the only attempt I have seen to really address issues that will create a nightmare in a very short time frame. The Senate leadership has never produced a budget to even look at since Obama was elected. The Obama budget was voted down without even a single democrat voting for it, not one.

    We have debt now more than doubled in the four years of Obama from what all the other presidents from Washington to W. Bush have created. Obamacare which was supposed to reduce costs of healthcare according to the OSB will cost about twice as much as proposed. That money will have to be printed or borrowed from other countries like China. Yet everyone here seems hell bent on attacking the only person who has proposed a plan which actually will begin to reverse this train from its path off the end of the bridge.

    I think the Democrats should put something up that addresses all the same programs that the Ryan Plan does which gets to the heart of the entitlements. You would never know it from the media, but that commission Obama put together to get recomendations on how to fix this budget mess have recommended much of what is in the Ryan Plan. Obama dismissed them and did nothing.

    Those bashing Ryan please give me a link to the budget from the democratic party to compare it to.

  36. I agree very much but stereotyping exists and is proven it works …..it’s called marketing!

  37. Mark Greta says:

    Ron, I think all Catholics should be aware of Catholic teaching first in forming their conscience. I think you have to start with things the Pope says are not negotiable and have to be accepted by all Catholics. Kind of like God laying out the ten commandments in stone. The Pope when they teach on faith and morals and say those things are not negotiable are final. When Pope JPII said the Church has no authority now or ever to change the male only priesthood ended that topic for all Catholics or should have.

    If the Church does a bad job teaching anything, in my opinion it is with the foundation of what we have to accept as Catholics. From that point, you can then get into other teaching that is very important to gaining heaven and helping us find the narrow road and stay on it in life. I think Capital punishment falls into this area. It has not been taken to the non negotiable leve because even in countries like the USA, we can still disagree on the issue unless there is a clear way to protect the guards and other prisoners from those now being held for life without parole. If we fixed these issues in some way to isolate the prisoner, and not cause inhumane conditions, then I would expect it would be something we should all agree on.

    How the congress deals with the budget can have millions of variables so the Church can only urge we not forget the poor. Ryan’s plan might actually help the poor more than centralized big government programs which in my study of history have made things worse overall for the poor and have devasted our healthcare cost and overall services in this country. They failed because they did not live up to the the principle of subsidiarity as taught be the Church.

    Teaching these type of things is an important task for the Church as easily seen by those who cannot seem to grasp verious levels and protections built into Church teaching which have made some infallible teaching and other strong suggestions.

  38. “Thy kingdom come…” It’s supposed to be more than an abstraction. We will try to bring Christ’s love and Christ’s regard for the poor to this world we live in. When we pray that, are we not praying (in part) that our world will come to reflect more closely the justice, the mercy, and the dignity that God desires for every human being? I know that’s going to sound hokey to some folks — touchy feely liberal claptrap. But Christ calls on us to treat the poor justly, and with dignity. (Or are we really harboring thoughts of “GIVE ME MY CAPITAL GAINS TAX CUT!” when we pray that line? I hope not.)

    Private charity is great; charity from churches and civic organizations is great. But it’s very patchwork, too. The idea of a safety net — the kind of safety net found in the W.I.C. system, in Medicare and Medicaid — is that no one’s basic ability to eat, or be treated at an E.R. when they have a raging infection or are experiencing chest pains, should depend on the willingness of individuals to “feel sorry for” the person who needs help. The very idea of a safety net is that it’s supposed to be always be in place. (No, the safety net is not perfect. But that’s a reason to improve it, strengthen it, rather than yank it away.) Private charity is a hit-and-miss deal.

    I get that Republicans like to run on low taxes, low taxes, low taxes. (In fact, we currently have one of the lowest tax rates overall — especially for large corporations and families who live solely off of capital gains — since the Eisenhower era.) People do frequently get into that keep-your-hands-off-what’s-mine mood; it’s easy for the GOP to appeal to that instinct in voters. What’s funny, though (and a bit sad at the same time), is that the tax break champions who fight to dismantle the safety net (e.g., Medicare, which turns in a quickly exhausted voucher under Ryan’s plan) frequently make the “I want to be the one to fund charity MYSELF” argument…as though it’s not about keeping a greater percentage of their wealth. Rest assured–there’s still plenty of room in this world for you to act on your own–or with the Church’s help–to provide charitable assistance to those around you. You can still go above and beyond the taxpayer-supported safety net. There’s plenty of need. Having a social safety net in place does not deprive you of the opportunity to be charitable in your daily life. There’s plenty of work to be done if you’re concerned about being a good Christian and serving the poor — but that’s no reason to slash the safety net to threads in the pursuit of lower tax rates for Romney and other folks who are building their third, fourth, and fifth homes. That’s no reason to tell parents living in poverty that they’d better hope they live near some mighty charitable folks…or else they are really, truly a lost cause.

  39. Meant to quote that line from the Our Father more fully: “Thy kingdom come…they will be done…on earth as it is in heaven.”

  40. ron chandonia says:

    The moral teaching of the Catholic Church does not depend on what any particular pope says is “negotiable” or not. It is grounded on the gospel of Jesus Christ. In that gospel, we are specifically told how our conduct will be judged. See Matthew 25. What’s “non-negotiable” there? Something to do with the poor, as I recall.

  41. At least Ryan is trying. If you don’t like his plan, what’s yours? The President submitted his budget earlier this year and he couldn’t get a single vote (not even a Democratic vote) in favor of it.

    It is immoral for our country to make future generations pay for our self-indulgent profligacy. Surely that has to be part of “Catholic Social Justice.”

    The best welfare plan — and “social safety net” — is a good job for every able-bodied person. We need to get away from a “dependency society” and foster an economic environment that will boost job growth. Things are so bad now in the US that even the undocumented immigrants are leaving !

    Shouldn’t promoting job growth, self-worth and economic opportunity also be part of “Catholic Social Justice.”

  42. Catherine says:

    I think I need some Glenlivet.

  43. Catherine says:

    Here is a collection of earlier Paul Ryan quotes about Ayn Rand, before he decided to shake the Etch-a-Sketch: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/04/26/471730/paul-ryan-ayn-rand/

  44. Catherine says:

    Mark Greta, our diocese definitely redistributes money among parishes to keep churches and schools in poorer areas open, and I am all for it. The bishop doesn’t take the money from parishioners “by force,” but pastors have no option but to contribute to the diocese as a whole, and richer parishes see their money shared with poorer ones. Our parish school is one of the net recipients of this redistribution, or so our pastor tells us. Unfortunately, our diocese has recently closed some of the schools in the very poor areas near us. There is a fund that targets the poorer schools with scholarship support, and I contribute to that.

  45. “Can you guarantee the effect of privatization?”

    Obviously not. I daresay no-one can guarantee the effect of any change, or even of maintaining the status quo. We make our best effort to decide after analyzing whatever information is available according to sound principles derived from reason and experience. It’s my understanding that moral analysis considers object, intention, and circumstances. In this light, I’m not clear how Rep. Ryan’s budget can be said to be immoral.

  46. Manny Check the Compendium of Social Teaching of the Church about taxes, it is pretty clear that taxes can and should be used to help the poor. Damn pesky social teaching.

  47. Barbara P says:

    Under your plan What happens to the people who arent able bodied?

  48. Making a deal with the Devil [Caeser] to make others do what you should be doing yourself is wrong. The Devil will be paid and you won’t be happy when He comes to collect [see the HHS mandate on birth control].

  49. Everyone seems to forget that this country is in trouble. If we don’t cut something now we will all go down together. The way we treat the poor now is cynical. We pay them to keep on keep on living miserable lives as long as they agree to stay away from us. REally what kind of love or social justice is that?

  50. Steve,

    The federal government wastes enough money in a week to feed the poor for an entire country. The government is immoral in its spending habits. The government is not some kind of noble entity that automatically sidesteps scandal, does not waste, is extremely efficient and has only the noblest intentions and executes on them flawlessly. Lets get that straight right now. I don’t know where people have this idea that government can do no wrong. Someone needs to hold government accountable!

  51. People can get cash assistance (TANF formerly ADC) for a lifetime maximum of five years . The maximum time is lower in many states.

  52. Deacon Norb says:

    “F” — Buddy ! Did you catch the news of his conversion! Unbelievable!

    Front page story!! Friday April 27, 2012 at 5:30pm

    Try http://www.huffingtonpost.com

  53. Catherine says:

    It’s not a conversion — it is an effort to rewrite history.

  54. deacon john m. bresnahan says:

    How much money should be spent on ANY government program is basically a prudential decision on which people of good will can disagree.
    Fortunately I grew up in a household where my father was a Democrat and my mother a Republican. And one thing I learned early was the lies each side tells about each other. And one of the biggest lies Democrats tell about Republicans is that trying to cut back on government spending and programs is because Republicans hate the poor, are callous about the needy, etc. I knew all my mother’s many Republican relatives well and they never fit the nasty, negative sterotype leftist activists tried to label them with. Instead, they all genuinely believed that less government and a prosperous private sector was the best anti-poverty program and therefore the most compassionate policy.But the more government did the more it destroyed private business initiatives as well as made many people virtual serfs of the government only interested in which politician offers the most goodies for his vote.
    And, of course that bidding for votes with our tax money is now getting under full sway now that it is election season. But the worst thing two of my children did, they now say, was swallow the financial arsenic of a college loan (being touted right now).
    I suspect I know why so many college profs are left-radical and always attacking business–it is academics who are the ones robbing and plundering college students and their parents. They want you to look elsewhere It just came out that a college prof running for U.S.Senate is paid over 400 thousand dollars a year AND , when she needed a little extra “grease” they gave her a $50,000 NO INTEREST loan. I have been told this is only the tip of the academic rip-off enterprise. Parents, this is where part of the exhorbitant tuitions go. Why aren’t the Occupiers where they should be–on college campuses???

  55. Sure, there should be a safety net and there is! There is already shelter provided, food stamps, free education, free medical coverage, job training, libraries, parks, even free entertainment in some cases. At some point it’s immoral to take from someone else to give to others who are not destitute.

  56. Barbara, we’ve had Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and a Republican Congress that ran twelve years straight. No one starved or were forced to live off dog food or were not provided medicaid. (Yeah, I know, you’ll provide some crazy situation that doesn’t reflect society as a whole, but there are anomolies on everything.) At some point you guys on the left crying wolf is going to stop working.

  57. God bless you for that comment Deacon. So thoroughly spot on.

  58. Fiergenholt says:

    Deacon John:

    “I have been told this is only the tip of the academic rip-off enterprise.”

    And, of course, you BELIEVE FIRST, and then you see ?

  59. A lot of stereotyping of college professors.

  60. deacon john m. bresnahan says:

    Will–I’m not stereotyping college professor any more than so many college professors I have heard over the years stereotyping Republicans, conservatives, and business people.
    And there have been reputable surveys of the explosion of pofessors salaries and the ever expanding size and pay of academic bureaucracies.
    And many people did not believe at first, but gagged when they started looking at the evidence. Look at Professor Elizabeth Warren’s (now (D.) U.S. Senate candidate) feeding at the academic trough we would never have heard about if she didn’t have to reveal her finances to run. Over $400,000 annual salary!!! $50,00 no interest loan!!!. How much other behind the dean’s desk ripping off of parents, students, and tax funded universities is going on??? Research shows a lot.
    Yet like this morning college profs were all across the news channels making the case for keeping money channeled their way. The of course got cream puff questions from their media allies.
    I feel strongly about this because I taught for years in a public vocational high school where most of the kids did not go on to college, but learned good rewarding trades and skills and most are successes in life. Now the academic activists are screaming for these young people to pay off the college loans of those who contracted for the loans AND gave a pledge to pay it back. All under the guise and phony code word of “fairness.” Where is the fairness to the taxpayers who chose not to take out loans but worked their way through college–some taking co-op extra years to do it. Boy, were they fools I guess. They should have taken out huge loans and then joined the outcry for Uncle Sugar Daddy taxpayer to pay off their loans.

  61. Last time I checked PMS – St Thomas Aquinas wasn’t in a hat. He’s fairly well known, even amongst those of us who are not snooty academics.

  62. David Martin says:

    We need to distinguish between the poor, whom Ryan truly respects and supports, and slothful free-loaders and anti-flag illegals whom deserve no support. Obama’s so-called support for them is what is robbing the innocent and poor of our country, defrauding the elderly of due pensions (SS), deflating the economy and putting our country in debt. Ryan is a good man and Catholic, and those Catholic bishops who don’t appreciate and endorse him expose their own renegade status. [Comment edited. -- DGK].

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