Hamblin 19: Place Names (Emblem Glyphs)

There are around 50 Maya emblem glyphs found in Classic Maya inscriptions. (Of course more could be discovered.)  They are symbolic of a city-state or land, generally attached to the title Maya ajaw (pronounced aha), meaning lord/king  Some of these cities are known from glyphs alone; their precise location is unknown.  Some are logographic (purely symbolic), others have a phonetic component.  Several emblem glyphs seem to be mythical.  Perhaps half a dozen are attested before 400 AD (end of Book … [Read more...]

Jenkins 15:

A couple more short comments from Jenkins======== I don’t think I can pose this question in simpler or more straightforward terms. 1. Do you believe that any or all claims about the New World in the Book of Mormon are supported by any form of objective, verifiable evidence? 2. If so, what is that evidence? 3. If you believe that a great deal of such evidence exists, please just give a couple of examples.EndFragment ========== "Third, sparsity of inscriptions in the norm in ancient ti … [Read more...]

Jenkins 14: On Faith

From Prof. Jenkins ============== Following a moment of insight amounting to a conversion experience, I have decided that Dr. Hamblin’s argument is (mainly) correct, and that I am near total agreement with it. What I doubt, though, is whether believers in the Book of Mormon wish to hear that. Let me explain. When our exchanges began, I expected that he would be producing supposed historical or archaeological proofs of the objective reality of the Book of Mormon, specifically its claims in t … [Read more...]

Jenkins 13: short comments

Several short comments from Prof. Jenkins from over the weekend.============= As you say, a parody. Now, as to that evidence you are not producing?You write, "I think we first need to discuss questions of presuppositions, methodology and epistemology in order to understand what would constitute evidence and how it can be interpreted properly." Um, why would that be? We are both grown ups, we are both published historians, we know these issues extremely well. I have lived with these … [Read more...]

Hamblin 18: Why no Inscriptions?

In his #12, Jenkins asks: Um, exactly. So if the great Book of Mormon civilization is there, why is it not producing hundreds and thousands more inscriptions, in Hebrew, Reformed Egyptian, etc? It sort of suggests that civilization isn’t there, right? Again, alas, methodological naiveté.  First, to say: "why isn't there more evidence?" is a silly question.  First, the evidence is what it is.  It is not what you think it should be, nor what you wish it might be.   Second, ancient Israel left alm … [Read more...]

Jenkins 12: Still no Evidence

And here we go again. What Dr. Hamblin does here is precisely what I expected and predicted, namely to give me reasons why he cannot produce evidence to support his case, rather than actually giving me the evidence. What he is trying to do is to start a debate in which I accept his presuppositions about the lack of evidence, with the goal of losing track of the central theme: why can’t he produce any evidence whatever?   He also shoots himself in both feet with one particular line. He is tr … [Read more...]

Hamblin 19: Why Methodology?

In his #11, Jenkins asks: Why would that [importance of a methodological discussion] be? We are both grown ups, we are both published historians, we know these issues extremely well. I have lived with these issues for forty-plus years, and I am guessing that your track record is similar. We are not trying to run a senior history seminar for undergraduates. First, Methodology is important because other people are reading this besides you and me.  Second, it is important because I've had … [Read more...]

Jenkins 11

Responding to my #17 ============= As you say, a parody. Now, as to that evidence you are not producing? You write, "I think we first need to discuss questions of presuppositions, methodology and epistemology in order to understand what would constitute evidence and how it can be interpreted properly." Um, why would that be? We are both grown ups, we are both published historians, we know these issues extremely well. I have lived with these issues for forty-plus years, and I am guessing that … [Read more...]

Hamblin 18: Quantity of Evidence

Jenkins has repeated asserted that, since there is ample historical evidence in the ancient Near East, one should expect to find similar quantities of evidence in the New World.  Therefore, by analogy, we should expect ample evidence for the era of the Book of Mormon.Alas, he is seriously misinformed.For the ancient Near East we have literally hundreds of thousands of inscriptions and written texts.  Contrast this with the New World, where there the inscriptions number in the hundreds, p … [Read more...]

Hamblin 17: The Debate Thus Far

A parody of the debate thus far:J: Show me evidence for the Book of Mormon!H: I think we first need to discuss questions of presuppositions, methodology and epistemology in order to understand what would constitute evidence and how it can be interpreted properly.J: No!  Show me evidence for the Book of Mormon!  Now!H: Well, there's lots of evidence and analysis presented in books and articles by LDS scholars.  Like Sorenson's Mormon's Codex.  Will you read them?J: No!  All Mor … [Read more...]


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