Guest Blogger: Clark

Clark is a well know voice on the Bloggernacle. His solo blog is Mormon Metaphysics and his comments on other blogs are some of the best in the Mormon blogging world.

Clark has agreed to do some guest posts here at Faith-Promoting Rumor. Please give him a warm welcome.

Mormons as Protestants

Between the recent conference on Methodists and Mormons and the events of my own week, I have been left pondering the question: should Mormons be categorized as Protestants?

This week at Casper College our annual humanities festival focused on sin. On Thursday night, there was a panel on the issue of sin from the perspective of different religions. Their was a Catholic Priest, a Jewish Rabbi, and a Mormon Bishop. No, they did not walk into a bar.

The Mormon bishop was a mathematics professor at the college. He did a great job.

I was part of a group of faculty and students that tweeted the event. One of the students, Micah, is a member of the debate team and the son of a Lutheran minister in Cheyenne.

Micah wondered in a tweet why there was not a protestant representative on the panel. A colleague in the English department asked “Aren’t Mormons considered to be Protestant?”

Micah is quite sure that Mormons are not Christian, let alone Protestant. To be honest, I have not asked him to fully explain why. Debaters like to win the argument and arguing religion with students is something I avoid. For the most part, Micah views Christ’s grace as sufficient. He views the Book of Mormon as a sign that Mormons do not view that grace as sufficient.

However, Joseph, the English professor was using Protestant in the way that I had been introduced to it growing up. Protestants are non-Catholic Christians.

(The Protestant song “How Great Thou Art” is being song by a duet as I type this…during Sacrament meeting.)

Protestant is a pretty broad category which includes many churches. This ranges from mainline Protestant sects to Non-denominational churches. It includes churches founded in Europe and churches founded in both the First and Second Great Awakenings.

Mormons do not think of themselves as Protestants. I think they mostly think of the themselves as rejecting both Protestantism and Catholicism and returning (restoring) to the true form of the original Biblical church.

However, we have much in common with Protestants. Mormons use the King James Version. This is the Protestant Bible. Our music is very Protestant in style and many of our hymns are Protestant hymns.

Many of the theological issues addressed in the Book of Mormon are the issues facing Protestantism in the midst of the Second Great awakening. Mormonism does not so much reject these debates, instead it takes a specific position on them.

Now Mormonism surely falls outside the Protestant mainstream. However, I do not think this puts Mormonism outside the category of Protestantism all together. Instead, Mormons are likely best grouped with groups like the Shakers, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh-Day Adventists.

Mormons like to see themselves as having much in common with the Catholics (claims to original authority) and Jews (Abrahamic covenants and temples). I contend that such a view fails to account for the actual origins of Mormonism.

On Tuesday, I attended Shrove Tuesday dinner at St. Marks Episcopal Church in downtown Casper. My kids loved the pancakes. I enjoyed chatting with the minister and an older couple. It felt a lot like a ward activity.

Beyond Borders: A Moral Approach to Immigration

Authors note: In light of this recent story, I am re-posting this. Originally published here at FPR on Feb. 4, 2012.

Yuriy and Van lived in a much nicer neighborhood than we were used to. Most of the investigators we taught in the Little Saigon region of Orange County, California were poor immigrants who lived in either very humble homes or in apartments of varying conditions. Yuriy and Van lived in an upper middle class neighborhood with few recent immigrants.

Yet, Yuriy and Van were recent immigrants, though with a twist. Yuriy was Russian and spoke no English or Vietnamese. Van was Vietnamese but she was from the northern part of Vietnam. Most of the people we worked with were from the Saigon region of Vietnam. The northern accent presented a challenge for me, but not for my Vietnamese companion Truyen Pham.

As we started to teach Yuriy and Van, she was very friendly. Unable to communicate with Yuriy, he seemed annoyed by our presence. However, it turned out that his annoyance was more curiosity as he started to sit in on our lessons. We taught Van in Vietnamese and she translated into Russian for Yuriy.

Yuriy was visibly thrilled when he received a copy of the Book of Mormon in Russian. He could finally dive into the gospel message at his own rather fast pace.

Thus began one of my favorite missionary adventures. It had ups and downs including periods when we could not get a hold of them. However, something in particular set Yuriy and Van apart from the other investigators and members that we worked with…they were illegal immigrants. [Read more...]

Mogget Speaks Out…White House Listens.

A day after Mogget speculated that the Catholic Church would win out in the battle over birth control requirements, the While House is set to announce a compromise.

I wonder if they read FPR and realized that fighting on this issue was futile?

In actuality, the White House has been looking for an out on this for the last week. While the intitial proposal was polling well, it was creating unnecessary tension on an issue that is more symbolic than substantive.

Reversing course on this will no more restrict women’s access to birth control than birth control is a threat to the “sancity of life.” Now, I am not wanting to understate the symbolic patriarchy of such policies. Yet, in a free society, the Catholic Church can hold whatever views they want about birth control. After all, they have no power to actually prevent anyone from purchasing birth control at Walgreens and insurance at these institutions will still cover visits to doctors who proscribe birth control.

So, what should we do about the Catholic Church and birth control? Shrug it off. I am pretty sure most Catholics do.