Brief notes on the origin of the Terminators.

The Clinton News-Record posted an interview the other day with Roland Kickinger, an Austrian bodybuilder turned actor who is apparently going to play the T-800 — the Terminator made famous by Arnold Schwarzenegger — in the upcoming Terminator Salvation. Here is a picture of Kickinger from his website:

Around the same time, Warner Brothers released this image of Christian Bale as John Connor, apparently pinning a Terminator to the ground with a helicopter:

Is the Terminator under Connor’s helicopter a T-800? Maybe, maybe not. There was talk at the movie’s official blog last month about how the film would show the rubber-skinned T-600 models which pre-date the T-800s, so it could be one of those, too — but since there is no skin of any kind on this robot, it is impossible to say which particular model it is supposed to be.

At any rate, the Kickinger interview indicates that at least one T-800 will be included in the film somewhere, and this is rubbing some fans the wrong way, because the new film takes place in 2018, eleven years before Connor won the war on the original timeline and all the time-travel began — and when Kyle Reese came back in time in the original film, he said the T-800s with the organic skin were “new”.

Matters are further confused by Kickinger’s claim that his scenes take place about “20 years before” the various T-800s played by Schwarzenegger were sent back in time. As I just noted, the gap is more like eleven years — one decade, not two.

I certainly share at least some of the concern that the fans may have over keeping continuity with the earlier films, etc., but I think the makers of the new film have a bit more leeway in these matters than some fans might assume.

First, Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) established that the machines of the future had already made an incredible technological leap — from the T-800s with organic skin to the T-1000 which is composed entirely of artificially intelligent liquid metal — around the time all the time-travelling began. So how “new” could the T-800s have been, really, by the time Kyle was sent back in 2029? Shouldn’t there be at least a little gap, time-wise, between the development of one model and the development of the other?

Second, the events of T2 have completely changed the timeline, such that the nuclear war which was supposed to begin in 1997 did not begin until six or seven years later, as per the events of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003). What’s more, the nuclear war was brought about this time not by the gradual development of Skynet out of some Terminator parts that had been left lying around in the 1980s, but by the active intervention of a T-X who was sent back from the future and began spreading computer viruses over the internet, etc. It is possible that she accelerated other things, too, such as the development of the various Terminator models.

That said, I am bothered a little bit by the implication that the T-800 has to look and sound like Schwarzenegger. Kickinger, who played the young Schwarzenegger in the TV-movie See Arnold Run (2005), says he is playing “Arnold’s character in the first Terminator”. And certainly, the fact that Arnold played three different Terminators in three different films fosters the impression that all of these cyborgs look more or less the same — though apparently some look younger than others:



A short clip created for the T3 video game even played with the idea that the T-800 was developed not at some point in the future by Skynet to infiltrate human communities, but today, before the war, by human beings working for the U.S. military. Further, the clip suggested that the T-800 was specifically designed to resemble a character played by Schwarzenegger:

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But there’s absolutely no reason the T-800 has to look like the Governator. Within the original film itself, there is a flashback to the future in which we see one other Terminator as it attacks a human base, in the scene where Kyle’s photo of Sarah Connor is accidentally destroyed. And the Terminator in question is played not by Schwarzenegger, but by another bodybuilder named Franco Columbu:

So I hope this film doesn’t go so far as to suggest that all of the T-800s will look like Kickinger. It could, of course, show multiple Kickingers in a single scene, since the earlier sequels have established that Skynet did replicate at least one of their T-800 designs. But it should at least allow for the possibility that other actors can play the T-800, as well.

About Peter T. Chattaway

Peter T. Chattaway was the regular film critic for BC Christian News from 1992 to 2011. In addition to his film column, which won multiple awards from the Evangelical Press Association, the Canadian Church Press and the Fellowship of Christian Newspapers, his news and opinion pieces have appeared in such publications as Books & Culture, Christianity Today, Bible Review and the Vancouver Sun. He also contributed essays to the books Re-Viewing The Passion: Mel Gibson’s Film and Its Critics (Palgrave Macmillan, 2004) and Scandalizing Jesus?: Kazantzakis’s The Last Temptation of Christ Fifty Years on (Continuum, 2005).

  • Anonymous

    I really hope this movie turns out well. I love the first two and the third is purely crap and not one level above it. I have great hopes for the new Terminator, especially given that Christian Bale doesnt really choose bad movies. As long as this film turns out well and the austrian guy replacing Arnold is not a cheesy, then I would have no reason to recommend it to Celebrity Outhouse, this new site dedicated to bad actors and bad movies that I have been visiting. They had a post about Terminator 3 at one point, which just made me not want another…I have hopes though with this one…

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