Within 10 Years You’ll See Articles Supporting Gay Marriage in Christianity Today Magazine

 

I’ll make a prediction: within 10 years or less mainstream evangelicals like the editors of Christianity Today magazine (and whomever/whatever is running the Billy Graham empire et al) will “come around” on issues like gay marriage equality, choice for women and premarital sex. They’ll suddenly find they’re really, really pro-immigration too!

They won’t do this out of the goodness of their hearts, let alone on moral grounds, but because these folks can’t figure out any other way to earn a living other than being professional Christians. They have lost their young people to “liberal” views on gay rights, sex and the rest, so the establishment will follow because they want to stay in business.

So – eventually — will the Republican Party. However before the GOP comes around they will more or less self-destruct.

I’ve watched the process of evangelical/Republican self destruction since the 1970s because I was once a Republican Party far right insider. (I describe my journey out in Crazy For God.) You may think my view of the evangelical establishment is cynical but I think not. One reason is that I’ve been the recipient of the evangelical lie machine wherein they often reveal more about themselves than about me.

For instance if I’ve read or heard it once I’ve read or heard it 100 times that I left the right and the evangelicals to make more money. In fact the opposite happened. The big bucks was in the evangelical God business. My income dropped more than by half when I left and never recovered. But the fact that so many in that world assume that I jumped ship to chase income is revealing.  It was, is and will remain about earning an income for these guys. They would not understand true conviction if it up and bit them you know where.

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus is out of ideas. So is the evangelical leadership.

Priebus “explained” the party’s November defeat: “There’s no one reason we lost. Our message was weak; our ground game was insufficient; we weren’t inclusive; we were behind in both data and digital; and our primary and debate process needed improvement. So there’s no one solution. There’s a long list of them.”

But there’s really only one explanation and he avoided that: a staunch conservative bloc led by evangelical voters gaoded on by cranky intelecuals like Antonin Scalia, Robert George and the late Chuck Colson, have undermined the GOP’s national image to the point of no return.

Christians killed the GOP

The Republican Party’s ratings are at a 20-year low, with 58 percent judging it unfavorably, according to a recent Pew Research Center survey. The “values gap” between Republicans/evangelical voters and Democrats is insurmountable. Facts are facts and fact is the conservatives are mostly old, male, white and in decline. (Polls cited herein are from Andrew Kohut and the Wahington Post-published/Pew Research Center polls.)

As Kohut said: “A bloc of doctrinaire, across-the-board conservatives has become a dominant force on the right.” Ultra-conservatives and evangelicals fooled the Republican lawmakers that there would be no voter backlash if they stuck with the far right program laid out by people like Ralph Reed, Robert George and Gary Bauer. In other words living in the closed Fox News/Christianity Today/Antonin Scalia “information” loop conservatives believed their own bullshit.

Living on your own planet may have its rewards but winning elections isn’t one of them

Self-identifying Republicans have hit historic lows and the traditional divide between pro-business economic conservatives and social conservatives has narrowed. There’s less diversity of values within the GOP. So they will lose big, no actually lose HUGE in 2016.

After that we’ll be reading polls about how young evangelicals are abandoning the bedrock issues on gay marriage and sex, positions on abortion will soften too. No one likes to lose forever. So we’ll see the evangelist/evangelical establishment begin to scramble to make “new discoveries” that Jesus was pro gay and pro choice and pro premarital sex all along.

As the Kohut/Pew research notes, the GOP base is increasingly dominated by a highly energized aging white male (Southern) bloc of voters with extremely conservative positions: the size and role of government, foreign (non)-policy, social issues, and moral concerns. They stand with the Tea Party on taxes and spending and race and immigration and with Christian conservatives on key social questions: abortion rights and same-sex marriage.

And they have doomed the GOP. Do the math.

These far right conservatives became a huge reactionary force in the Obama era because he is black. Had he been white they would have disliked him but they HATED him because he is black. How do I know? Because his positions were actually moderate. So why else all the lies?

The Fox/ChristinaityToday/Franklin Graham/GOP/Tea Party cabal lied about Obama again and again and made themselves utterly silly looking—not a good thing in politics.

The people who pushed the GOP over the cliff represent only 45 percent of the Republican base. And they are demographically and politically distinct from the national electorate by a huge margin. Ninety-two percent are white. They are mostly male, married, evangelical, well off and over 50 years old. And they are… literally dying off.

Their own BS is killing them and the right wing media is killing them too, because it never challenges their misinformation.

Hatred for the first black president acted on the right’s central nervous system like a treble swig of Red Bull and pushed evangelicals into hyper drive.

Now they will pay and pay and pay some more. The Obama presidency is a stunning success—in spite of everything. The lies are seen as just that by the vast majority of Americans. The right has been hoisted on its own petard.

Ideological resistance to President Obama’s policies, discomfort with the changing face of America and the influence of conservative media is what pushed them into oblivion. And the GOP has taken the evangelicals over the cliff with them. It was all lies. Obama was always a moderate. Everyone rational knows that, only the Fox loons think differently.

The conservative/evangelical response to Obama was literally insane. By the 100-day mark of Obama’s first term, 56 percent of Republicans disapproved of the president and blamed him for the Bush economic meltdown. By January 2010, 61 percent of Republicans and 73 percent of conservative Republicans strongly disapproved – i.e. hated — the president. They also said he was the antichrist, a Muslim, a communist, a friend of terrorists and that he hated Israel.

Republican views on gun control, abortion rights and global warming veered hard right and into la, la land. These trends kicked in before health-care reform became such a dominant political issue, but the angry political debate over “Obamacare” only reinforced them.

This far right tide of opinion — strengthened with the emergence of the tea party — showed its power in 2010, with midterm election victory for the GOP. Conservatives accounted for 68 percent of the Republican base, compared with 60 percent eight years earlier.

Conservative evangelical Republicans were more likely (33 percent) than the public at large (22 percent) to see the growing number of Latinos in America as a change for the worse. Similarly, 46 percent of conservatives see increasing rates of interracial marriage as a positive development, compared with 66 percent of the public overall.

As Kohut/Pew numbers show, Race has loomed larger in voting behavior in the Obama era than at any point in the recent past. The 2010 election was the high mark of “white flight” from the Democratic Party, as National Journal’s Ron Brownstein called it — the GOP won a record 60 percent of white votes, up from 51 percent four years earlier.

To the conservative base, Obama, as an African American in the White House, is the symbol of how America has changed for the worse. Unease with him sets conservative Republicans apart from other voting blocs — including moderate Republicans, who have hardly been fans of the president. For example, a fall 2011 national survey found 63 percent of conservative Republicans reporting that Obama made them angry, compared with 29 percent of the public overall and 40 percent of moderate Republicans.

If a values backlash and racial-political polarization helped forge the staunch conservative bloc, the conservative media has reinforced it. A bloc of right wing evangelical/Republican voters relies entirely on conservative media to comprehend the world. Pew found that 54 percent of staunch conservatives report that they regularly watch Fox News, compared with 44 percent who read a newspaper and 30 percent who watch network news regularly. Conservative Republicans make up as much as 50 percent of the audiences for Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’ Reilly. There is nothing like this on the left. MSNBC’s “Hardball” and “The Rachel Maddow Show” attract significantly fewer liberal Democrats.

Republican reinvention won’t happen because staunch conservatives keep GOP lawmakers in office. They also will keep the party out of the White House.

The young people will leave the party in droves. After the huge loss waiting for Republicans in 2016 you’ll see the evangelical establishment start to crack as they try and follow the money to the new generation.

Trust me, the people who are at the top of the big evangelical churches and big publishing and media companies will have a “come to Jesus” moment in droves since they can do math and also want to make their house payments.

This “come to Jesus” combination of conservative and liberal views is already typical in the population at large. To win, both parties will soon try to appeal to the mixed values of the electorate.

For the evangelical establishment to win back young people they’ll have to do what liberals have done for decades: pick and choose their way through the Bible and decide it “says” what people want to hear. (Readers should take a look at thoughtful article “The Rise of Liberal Religion” by John Turner for more on this.)

But it will be very hard for the Republican Party, given the power of the staunch conservatives in its ranks to change for a longer time. So expect Republicans to not be in the White House for several more election cycles. But also expect to see gay weddings performed in all the big evangelical churches within ten years. Expect to see Christianity Today magazine – after much “soul searching” – to endorse Hillary Clinton for her upcoming presidential race.

Theology has always been about institutional survival. It still is and evangelical leaders may not be able to think clearly but they always have known how to count the money.

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Frank Schaeffer is a writer and author of Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back .

 

About Frank Schaeffer

Frank Schaeffer is an American author, film director, screenwriter and public speaker. He is the son of the late theologian and author Francis Schaeffer. He became a Hollywood film director and author, writing several internationally acclaimed novels including And God Said, "Billy!" as well as the Calvin Becker Trilogy depicting life in a fundamentalist mission home-- Portofino, Zermatt, and Saving Grandma.

  • scott foresman

    I’ve read that young people are becoming more pro-life. While you may be right about ‘gay marriage’ within the evangelical camp, I hope and pray you are wrong about abortion. 55,000,000 are not here because of Roe v. Wade, and I’m sure God is grieved.

    • Frank Schaeffer

      Scott, I think you may be right re the abortion issue, but it will not be black and white or as political as it has been. The issue will be there but it won’t be the litmus test any longer, just something on the table with lots of other things, my opinion only of course, as usual I could be wrong! Thanks for reading my piece, Frank

      • Randall

        Frank, I believe in equal rights for ALL Human Beings.

        You, however, do not.

        Face it.

      • http://www.patheos.com JT Morris

        I detect more than a hint of cynicism in this article. There is no way that true mainstream evangelicalism will endorse gay marriage and give up on 2000 years of moral teaching about sex and marriage. You might as well say they will accept Mohammed on equal footing with St. Paul. It won’t happen. I think what will happen is that many evangelicals will realize that gay marriage is a marginal issue affecting less than 1% of the population and that it is no threat to traditional Christian marriage. The heated dispute will die down and Christians will move on, not accepting or approving gay marriage, but by being resigned to it as part of the inevitable moral entropy of the world we inhabit. The real question is whether secular progressives will be successful in pushing for an ever powerful Leviathan-like federal government. That could indeed pose threats of persecution to Christians who seek to live by a conscience shaped by a biblical world view. Frank thinks mainstream evangelicals will water down their teachings just to keep their jobs. But look at what is happening today. Mainstream protestant churches that have already accepted gay marriage etc. are dying on the vine. Which churches are growing by leaps and bounds? It is the conservative Bible-based evangelical churches. When the government turns on the heat to make them conform, it will only stimulate their growth.

    • Lolo

      As the parent of Christian, pro-life young adults, I’ve noticed a difference in how their pro-life stance is played out, from how “pro life” young people were in the 90′s. (When I was a young Christian.)

      Instead of backing abstinence-only in schools and as legislation, many pro-life younger people TODAY recognize that good, practical sex education in schools, free birth-control for low/middle income people who are most likely to seek abortion for financial reasons, good state oversight for medically necessary abortions (here in PA we had a nightmare Dr who killed several women), and better income assistance for single women who choose to have and keep their babies, etc. might be better ways to legislate fewer abortions.

      At some point, we need to have a real life dialogue on sex (which is not the worlds biggest sin, frankly) and it’s consequences — both physically and emotionally and spiritually — which it does have. FWIW, I felt this practical approach was best, and all three of my children have chosen to wait on dating and sex until they are out of college and able to support themselves as adults — and then to engage in adult behavior. I do find it interesting that in my own little homeschooling family, where we talked openly and without judgment about choices and consequences, my (teen & adult) children have chosen abstinence until they’re in a solid, adult relationship. And I know so many other Christian homeschooling families where Abstinence was shouted at and forced upon the kids, and they didn’t make good choices. (Sometimes at the first opportunity, often foolishly and without protection for their bodies and their hearts.) I hope to continue the open dialogue and the unconditional love with my children, through out their lives. So far, so good.

      Also, my (teen and adult) kids see straight through the sex-obsession and homophobia of the extreme religious right. These folks seem a little *too* worried about sex and what other people do and don’t do. To young people, it strikes them as “me thinks they doth protest too much”.

      • Theodore Seeber

        Libertine is the problem. Sex and financial libertineism? Are just the left and right wings of the problem.

        If there is one thing I’ve learned in my 40 years on this planet, it is that liberty is evil when it isn’t backed by good values.

        And if that is protesting too much, well, 55 million deaths say we haven’t protested nearly enough.

        • smrnda

          “Liberty backed by good values” – that sounds like ‘you may choose whatever you want but the only color the car comes in is Black.’ You always sound quite critical of liberty Ted, how much of your version of ‘right values’ would you be willing to impose on other by force?

          In my decades on the planet, all I can say is that the libertine folks not only have more fun, but have better outcomes. The educated, libertine cohort that forms my social circle hasn’t met with too many personal setbacks and bad mistakes, though it doesn’t seem that the more ‘socially conservative’ are able to keep their lives from becoming a mess. It’s about being smart enough and having enough information to make good choices and have fun without causing a disaster. Relying on authority for direction is a recipe for being unable to think and handle reality.

          • Theodore Seeber

            I’m critical of liberty because all I see around me is a world that worships materialism at the expense of EVERYTHING else. And now that the demographic decline is coming (2/3rds of the planet will die of old age in the next 4 decades, with not nearly enough children to replace them) I guess you were just borrowing from the future- my future.

    • Randall

      I don’t see more becoming Pro Life…the youth are getting use to death as a solution.

      Just wait till the baby boomer generation hits the nursing homes; as the health care situation degrades lets see how the youth put up with supporting the slobbering boomers!

      • David A Morse

        Death as a solution as in the death penalty supported by mostly Republican Governors and State Legislatures? It was during the Republican debates of 2012 that Republican voters cheered the record numbers of executions in Texas. Governor Rick Perry also was asked if he ever had any doubts about the guilt of those he executed and he said he never did. After all the people released from death row and prison its hard to have no doubts. Ron Paul was asked about his opposition to Health Reform and those without insurance. Should we in America let them die? His answer was shouted down because of the Republicans screaming yes!!

    • David A Morse

      I do not know any person that is pro abortion. But I also do not believe we have the right to use government to force women to give birth. The Christian Right believes that all abortions must be illegal but they also are for less government spending on programs to help women, infants, and children. They refuse to teach about sex and sexuality and how to be safe. Their idea of sex education is from the Nancy Reagan school of education, “Just Say No.”

      I believe its up to the parents to guide their kids in the art of good decision making in those areas of relationships. The schools should provide the instruction in basics of sex and sexuality in all its forms and how to remain safe. Contraception should be free and easy to get. If parents do their job and the schools too than there will be less need for abortion.

      I believe that Frank will be correct on gay marriage. I am not as young as those young people polled which were for full equality but I believe its not Christian to punish gay people for being gay as so many parents have done. No child would want to be gay if they could be heterosexual. I have read many times how a child has tried to be like the other kids and like a girl but he just does not feel an attraction. This is just the way they are born and we must learn to accept it because too many have already died.

  • gimpi

    I think you’re right, within 10 years, conservative Christians will be supporting marriage equity. I would also guess within 20 years, they will be claiming that it was their idea all along.

    I base this on the responses to the civil rights movement of the 60′s. Conservative Christians started out backing segregation, slowly came around to the the idea of racial equality, and are now trying to claim credit for a movement that they originally rejected.

    For the record, there were many Christians in the civil-rights movement, but they were almost all liberal or progressive Christians. Most conservative denominations rejected the civil-rights movement until the handwriting was on the wall.

    • Frank Schaeffer

      Hi Gimpi, thanks for reading, I agree, and there will come a time — as there has for women in the workforce — when people won’t even remember what all the fuss was about.

  • Theodore Bosen

    As always, Frank, you take things to a level I never anticipate. I am still presently of a mind that there will be an awakening among the evangelical faithful when the moneyrakers begin to change their political tune, which will lead to an exodus from the churches they control followed by a progressively dwindling income stream and ultimate political irrelevance. I can’t help but feel that by changing their theological tune to try to hold on to the money stream, they will actually exacerbate their demise over the choice of hanging fast to the same tired theo-politics, but maybe I give their congregants too much credit in being able to see through the fraud of it.

    • Frank Schaeffer

      Hi Theodore, thanks for reading, of course I could be wrong about all this, but I do think we take evangelicals and everyone else too in the religion biz a bit too seriously when they talk about theology and morals. I’ve just met so many pastors and former pastors etc who tell me that long after they lost faith they stayed in the game to earn a living. Truth is we all change our minds but religion and its “absolutes” won’t let people take a natural journey and if that’s how you make a living you’re stuck. Best, F

      • Randall

        There are plenty of phony preachers who stay in the game; that could be one reason why the Church has had so many problems…wolves in sheeps clothing.

        Serious question, Frank…do you believe the Resurrection was a literal historical event?

      • TheodoreSeeber

        Oh, poor you having to believe in absolutes. I guess instead you believe in nothing.

        A natural journey always produces evil.

  • http://spiritnewsdaily.com Donovan Moore

    For the most part, you hit on some very key and accurate points. As a former evangelical myself, I have already made the same transition in my core beliefs. And yes, the phrase “follow the money” never goes out of style.

    I do disagree with you in one respect. You said, “The Obama presidency is a stunning success—in spite of everything.” No, but not for the reason most people believe. In my opinion and from empirical economic facts, Obama is MORE Right Wing than any Republican before him. He has given the banks trillions of yours and mine tax dollars and has destroyed the savings, via low interest rates of the most responsible of the American public. He has also kept the endless wars going from the Bush administration, as well as created more of a police state via DHS.

    Otherwise, I always enjoy reading your perspectives. For the most part, you focus in on the real issues and offer valuable insights.

  • Brother Nelson

    Frank,

    As usual, an excellent summarization of the facts.

    As corporate America in general continues its support for gay rights, it is even more likely we will finally see equal rights granted sooner than later. FOLLOW THE MONEY

    On abortion, however, I believe it will be the role of science and technology that will eliminate the need for a protracted abortion debate. While our mothers, daughters, and sisters will always have the final choice, and rightfully so, medical technologies will continue to provide positive outcomes and alternatives to unwanted pregnancies. [Yes, think of a sci-fi book or movie about zygotes and fetuses being extracted from the wombs of their willing matriarchs, put into an artificial womb tended to by computers and robots until full term (correcting and healing defects and abnormalities along the way), to finally being granted to eager and more deserving parents. Perhaps a gay family ! ] Put more simply, this equates to more adoptions and less death – a win/win for everyone. This process, coupled with federal, state, and local financial support for all participants involved and I think we are well on our way out of the culture wars. Maybe someday, because of science and technology, (read: NOT because of a god, religion, or “morality”), abortion will be redundant. This is the future of abortion politics.

    Frank, keep up the great work. You are a hero to many !

    Brother Nelson

    • David A Morse

      I love your idea of science ending the need for abortion.

      “Yes, think of a sci-fi book or movie about zygotes and fetuses being extracted from the wombs of their willing matriarchs, put into an artificial womb tended to by computers and robots until full term (correcting and healing defects and abnormalities along the way), to finally being granted to eager and more deserving parents. Perhaps a gay family ! Put more simply, this equates to more adoptions and less death – a win/win for everyone. ”

      I was thinking that out loud at home watching TV just the other day.

  • Frank Schaeffer

    Hi Donovan, I think you make a good point, so let me revise as follows that in spite of the right wing predictions of doom and compared to their predictions president Obama has been a success. In the context that’s what I meant, though I take a slightly better view of him than you do. On that however we’ll both have to wait for later generations for a verdict.

    • Theodore Seeber

      He’s been a success all right. He’s successfully destroyed any freedom to be good.

      • gimpi

        What are you talking about?

        • Theodore Seeber

          Primarily TOP, the Department of Health and Human Service’s attempt to sterilize brown people.

      • smrnda

        Yeah, the Obama presidency banned me from volunteering in my community or donating money to provide prisoners with educational materials or from tutoring in local schools. Not only that, it demanded that I not tip servers in restaurants and banned me from giving directions to lost tourists. It made the insurance company be evil instead of good because they weren’t able to exclude me from coverage because of preexisting medical conditions that are genetic in origin. /SNARK SNARK

        • TheodoreSeeber

          Yes, he has. you can get arrested for many of those things, and the rest is coming.

  • JohnH

    “Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you”

  • StevenW

    Frank,
    Reading your prediction re: Christianity Today gave me a deja vu moment. I was transported back to 1984 and Franky Schaeffer lambasting the same magazine in his book, “Bad News for Modern Man.” In a section titled, “Christianity Yesterday,” you skewered CT for its wishy-washy treatment of issues like abortion and the liberal leanings of the National Council and World Council of Churches.

    I think you were right back then and likely right in your current prediction. CT has long been a flagship of theological trendiness getting ever weaker in its evangelical credentials. Of course, back in 1984 you saw that as a bad thing. You were crusading for hard core evangelical positions on these matters, and CT was letting you down. Now it seems you see them moving toward better positions for all the wrong reasons. You’re probably right about the reasons. Determining doctrine by public opinion polls or the money trail has never been a sign of spiritual health!

    Theologically, I’m closer to the old Franky than the new Frank, but I appreciate your perspective and read your books and columns with interest. And I’m longing for a revival of the kind of intelligent and compassionate presentation of evangelical Christianity modeled by the likes of your father, who made principled stands for truth but who also knew that orthodoxy without love is no orthodoxy at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/agni.ashwin Agni Ashwin

    Preach it, Frank!

  • John Murphy

    Interesting political comment, Frank. Probably on some level a correct prediction.

    Of course this has nothing to do with what the Scriptures actually say. On that level, you are—as you fully understand—wrong.

  • Jeff

    Frank, I know you have had personal contact with the Devos Family as mentioned in a previous book. As they continue to have major financial influence on Michigan politics do you think it will decrease or adjust to our social changes? At this time the Republican run Michigan house and senate continues to push a rather ultra conservative agenda hurting women, labor, and public education.

  • John

    When I first read this I was upset but after further thought I realized that was useless. No, the question is not about Christianity Today. Why? Christianity today is an organization of human beings. Here is the issue that must be grappled with. Is there Moral Perfection? Why? Is there Someone holds so much power that Raiders of the Lost Ark got right with viewing the ark of the Covenant? So holy that it is a fearful thing to fall into His hands? One in whom is light and no darkness and there is no unrighteousness in Him? One who is Almighty and who holds our breath in His hands? One who is unchanging. He only has two categories vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath. Prophets, like Isaiah said in His presence, “Woe is me for I am undone and a man of unclean lips and dwell among a people of unclean lips.” It is of His mercies that we are not consumed. No, the question is not about Christianity today changing their mind but Holy Righteous God changing His mind. Judgment one day is coming on this earth and when it comes it will be the scariest thing this world will ever experience which is why humans will hide themselves at that time and ask the mountains and the rocks to fall on them to hide them from the face on Him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. Only those who are covered by Jesus blood are safe.

    So the real question is does God believe that homosexual marriage is holy? Does Jesus approve of homosexual marriage? If God is for homosexual marriage, then all will be fine but if not then we will provoke to Him toanger which will lead to judgment. So here is the problem if all is not fine with Christianity Today’s new stance in the future then I Peter 4:16-17 will occur that judgment must begin at the house of God and if it first begin at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Could that mean that a massive tornado hits some large evangelical church that has been enlightened killing all the thousands inside? Maybe. Jesus does judge His church by chastening her so that she condemned with the world.
    Am I saying that I wish that? No. but leads back to the question Did God originally intend for there to be gay marriage? That is what must be grappled with. If yes, then go right ahead but if not it will be like a person that proclaims he can fly jumping out of airplane at 10,000 feet because he believes gravity no longer applies. He will certainly fall to his death.

    • David A Morse

      God, if one does exist, which I do not believe it does, than HE/SHE/IT made people gay for a reason. Maybe it was to teach us to love without condition. To love those that are different from us in any and all ways. There is no more different person than one whom is gay. We can not see this difference unless we are told and most can not understand it because makes no logical sense. We can see that one is male or female and we know that in biology sexual reproduction both are required. So on the surface being gay seems wrong.

      But as we learn more about biology and child development in the womb, we come to understand that life is more complex. Its more than our genes which determine how we will develop and grow. Its our horemones too. All babies begin as female until our horemones cause changes in body and mind to turn a male baby into a male. There have been case where a male baby developed into a birl and was born a girl because the horemones to make her body grow as a boy did not. The brain is also changed in the womb at another time and if the horemones do not surge in the bloodstream at that time, than the body will be male while his brain will respond as a girl. At puberty and in adulthood such a boy will most likely be gay.

      • Theodore Seeber

        And in 5 years, thanks to the way the gays have run the marriage debate, we’ll have prenatal testing and abortion for gays.

  • http://lostreef.blogspot.com/ Lasseter

    You may be right about certain mainstream religious changing their minds on some of these issues, and you hit upon the basis of this: that is, the superficiality or weakness (as in, follow the money) of their beliefs, which is really a lack of basis as far as their religious convictions are concerned. I think it’s worth noting, though, that this whole same-sex marriage debate stands out in Christian debate for its novelty. If we compare the opposition to same-sex marriage to, say, the extreme subjugation of women or slavery, we come up with a stark contrast. Throughout Christian history there has always been some substantial role for women in the Church (albeit not, until recently, so high as to be ordained into the priesthood, which is also a novelty), and throughout Christian history there has always been a voice of opposition to subjecting other human beings to slavery. This is not so with same-sex marriage. Whatever one may say about it with respect to other religions or cultures, it has simply not been a force or a movement within Christianity until very recently: so recent, in fact, that its emergence took place only within the life of any one of us reading this Web page right now. The more venal members of certain churches may abandon their views, largely owing to their venal priorities, but I would be shocked if, say, the Orthodox Church ever became pro-choice or ever started ordaining female priests, blessing same-sex marriages, or telling its faithful that sex without marriage was A-OK. The trends noted or predicted in your article are, of course, more about political or cultural expediency or the hollowness of belief than they are about genuinely held religious beliefs, and so, again, perhaps you’re onto something.

  • Herb Paynter

    Frank, much of my early life was influenced by your parents, and even by you, back when your radical Christian stand was somewhat irreverent, though impactful. My wife and I attended a series that your family presented on abortion in Nashville Tennessee. My (late) wife was then pregnant with her first child. The strength of your family’s stand, and your mother’s talks in particular, spoke loud and clear. It was refreshing to see the conviction.

    Was it all a performance to you? It certainly didn’t appear to be. You spoke with conviction and irreverence (in a good way) and your presentation really resonated with me. I have to admit that I’m a bit disillusioned now. Not with the message, but with you. How could you speak so forcefully and passionately about the very issues you now stand so strongly against? I really don’t know which side is hypocritical, the before or the after. I’m not being judgmental or critical, I’m just disillusioned with you.

    We are pretty much the same age and except for the public magnitude, pretty much the same family dynamic. My father, more than my mother, was all about ministry. I was funneled through Bible college as expected and formed my own rebellion and criticism of some of the dogma, and politics, but the example set by my parents was so true to their profession that I eventually worked through my issues with organizations and movements, discarding the facets that I simply could not abide, and coming out the stronger for it. I just don’t understand what happened in your own life to sour you so on core beliefs. I wish I did understand, but I don’t. Once again, not trying to judge you. I simply don’t understand how your “beliefs” could get so thoroughly scuttled.

    At any rate, as I do continue to study the Bible and learn as I age, I wonder if you could help me understand the grounds on which you claim that “Jesus was pro gay and pro choice and pro premarital sex all along.” Perhaps I’m a little too fundamental in my beliefs and literal in my acceptance of scripture to see these claims backed up “chapter and verse.”

    If you have time to read all your comments and then have time to respond, I would really appreciate either an answer to this post, or even a private response via email.

    I reamin very thankful for your parents’ ministry in my life- and for the fire you lit in my belly to get serious about Christ. You were a very fortunate man to have seen Christ lived out so evidentially through you mother. I’m sure you will miss her, and I’m sure you’ll see her again.

  • http://bereanobserver.blogspot.com Bob Wheeler

    I think you’re right about the Republican Party — the establishment politicians will walk away from the social issues in order to win elections, the evangelicals will bail out, and the party will go back to being what it was when I was young, the party of the rich and a permanent minority (remember Nelson Rockefellar?).
    Theology is not about money — it is about fidelity to revealed truth. Evangelical Christianity will go back to what it was in the First Century — a radical counterculture movement that stands for the sanctity of life and marriage, and stand against the materialistic values of American culture.

  • phares

    OR, my grandson’s generation will rise up, see a culture without compass, seek truth, find it in scripture…obedience without legalism, love without license. “I have the right to do anything,” you say–but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”–but not everything is constructive.” 1 Corinthians 10:23

    • http://anonymous Judi Hayes

      phares, yours is the best scenario.

      I believe CT will be printing pro-gay-marriage articles in LESS than ten years. I don’t see that as a good though. It only shows the church of today no longer stands on the
      Solid Rock, but rather on the shifting sands blown by the winds of time.

      Last, the Democratic and Republican parties are only two sides of the same coin. Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum. No real substantive differences. Only their rhetoric differs. And we are all the losers for that.

  • Steve P.

    Who could disagree? “Within 10 years” is a pretty long time. See how radically American opinion has changed in less than five years.

    CT will publish articles supporting Gay Marriage within a couple of years. A few years after that, opposing Gay Marriage will be like opposing Jim Crow. Within 10 years, there will be articles supporting per-marital sex, adultery, and pederasty.

    • http://www.patheos.com JT Morris

      The church -at its core – has remained true to its central teachings on doctrine, morals and worship for 2000 years. The church has faced persecution, pressure, scandal and schism, yet Jesus’s prediction “the gates of hell will not prevail against it” remains fully true and fulfilled. Bible believing Christians will be supporting the biblical concept of marriage long after we (and Christianity Today) are gone.

  • AlphaOmega

    Frank, I completely agree with you. I tried to tell my evangelical friend that a ways back and he shunned me out of anger for a week straight. I also added that there will come a day when Catholics are the only game in town that haven’t caved in, and all those wayward Catholics will come wandering back. Course it was predicted in the Bible that would happen. All those lost sheep will come home when their churches go ultra liberal. Then Catholics will stand in unity with numbers so great it will be amazing.

  • http://www.bible-knowledge.com Chris

    Issues of same-sex marriage, abortion, and other moral and social issues that seem to be cross-overs of ethical-religious-political factors will surely dominate many magazines. These will be subjects of many arguments not just among the Evangelicals but also among other Christians. However, what would seem important above these issues is the realization that our understanding of Christ, the Bible, and the words written in there are not yet fully understood; that there are many things yet to be learned and discovered about our faith; that there are things that change and those that remain unchanged and should remain unchanged.

    For many people, the concept of marriage has changed. But is it the same when we say that the doctrine about marriage should remain unchanged? The answers would surely vary because Christianity is not religion alone. It encompasses traditions, cultures, and beliefs and it involves wonderful opinions – sometimes pro and sometimes against its practices.

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