Robert Jeffress’s Bizarre and Unbiblical Beliefs

Yesterday Dallas Pastor Robert Jeffress lit the Internet on fire after he introduced Rick Perry at the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit then made extraordinary statements in a post-introduction interview that really stoked the flames.  Some choice quotes:

“That is a mainstream view, that Mormonism is a cult.”

“Every true, born again follower of Christ ought to embrace a Christian over a non-Christian.”

“No.”  (In response to Politico’s question: “Is Mitt Romney a Christian?”)

These remarks should not have come as a surprise to the Family Research Council or Rick Perry.  After all, in a well-publicized speech during the 2008 campaign season, he said:

Mitt Romney is a Mormon, and don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. Even though he talks about Jesus as his lord and savior, he is not a Christian . . . Mormonism is not Christianity. Mormonism is a cult. And just because somebody talks about Jesus does not make them a believer.

In a 2008 debate with Jay Sekulow he even went so far as to declare that he’d vote for a pro-choice Christian over a pro-life Mormon in a Republican primary because of the “eternal consequences” which could lead people into an “eternal separation” from God (see embedded video at 6:35 mark).

I won’t even deal with his claim that Mormonism is a “cult.”  To believe that Mormonism is a cult, one has to stretch the term so far as to be functionally meaningless.  In this context, the word is a slur, pure and simple.

He makes three much more serious claims that he is in no way qualified to make.  First, without knowing Mitt Romney at all he flatly declares that Mitt Romney is not a Christian.  Yet it is God who defines Christianity, not Robert Jeffress (thanks be to God for that), and in his word God has clearly stated that salvation is based on faith alone.

And what is that faith?

That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.  For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Does Robert Jeffress know if Mitt Romney has made this confession?  If Mitt Romney has this belief?  He does not, and any statement to the contrary represents an astoundingly irresponsible amount of speculation.

Second, he goes even farther to chastise “every true, born again follower of Christ” who supports Mitt over Rick Perry (and presumably the other evangelicals in the Republican primary).  Honestly, I simply can’t find any biblical support for the notion that I, as an American citizen and therefore an integral part of our own government (according to our constitution we are not divided into a class of “rulers” and “ruled” but instead “we the people” are responsible for the fate of the nation) cannot select the man I believe is best able to defend the unborn, preserve national security, and restore fiscal sanity — and do those things with integrity or dignity.

How far does Mr. Jeffress propose we go?  Shall we reject Jews?  Or if he’s the policeman of orthodoxy and saving faith, shall we also reject Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and any of the other mainline congregants whose denominational leaders are even now departing dramatically from biblical Christianity?  His principle is fundamentally unworkable and remarkably (and fruitlessly) divisive.

In fact, even he won’t hold to his own principles, saying that he’d support alleged cultist Mitt Romney over Christian Barack Obama.  So, where does this leave us?  With religious wars confined to the Republican primary?

Finally, is it really the case that a Mormon president would threaten us with “eternal separation” from God?  Earlier this year, Christian journalist Warren Cole Smith made a similar argument, saying “people’s souls” were at stake if Mitt Romney became president. As I noted then, this comment implies a remarkably small view of God and a large view of politics.  But the reality is exactly the reverse:

In biblical Christianity, as opposed to consumer Christianity, God is the Prime Mover in our salvation, not man. And the goal is not life enhancement, but the reconciliation of our broken souls with a Holy God.

This is plain from scripture, from Jesus selecting his disciples, to Paul’s Damascus Road conversion, to the miraculous interaction between Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch, to the definitive declaration: “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws him.”

Why do we believe that God would entrust something as precious as the individual soul to something so trivial as our voting decision? That’s not to say that votes don’t matter. Politicians help shape our culture, they make life-and-death decisions, and they can impact (though we often overstate their influence) an economy that shapes the material dreams of our own lives and our children’s lives. But presidents don’t save or condemn us, and their influence is inconsequential in the face of a sovereign God.

I’m not sure why the Family Research Council recommended that Robert Jeffress introduce Rick Perry, nor can I figure out why Rick Perry would have approved him (unless he was either ignorant of Jeffress’s views about Mitt or maliciously hoped he’d trigger this exact controversy).  One thing is clear, however: In his attempt to smear Mitt, Robert Jeffress smeared himself.  Jeffress’s unbiblical beliefs should not — and, mercifully, will not — gain wider traction in Christian community or the Republican electorate.

Simply put, when it comes to this issue, most Christians know their Bible (and the Constitution) better than Pastor Robert Jeffress.

 

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  • http://linkfromEFM Victor Phillips

    Thank you, David. Views like those expressed by Pastor Jeffress never cease to astonish me. It is not just the bigotry or hatred, but the hypocrisy.

    As a caveat, I am not an official spokesperson, though I am a member of the LDS Church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), commonly referred to as Mormon. We do believe in the Bible as well as other scripture, including the Book of Mormon–hence the nickname. We believe all that God has revealed–all that He does now reveal–and that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the kingdom of God (Article of Faith, #9). We believe that all things that persuade men to do good or to believe in Christ come from God (Moroni 7:16). I understand that this belief in ANY scripture other than the Bible alone constitutes a heresy in the minds of many evangelical Christians. I also understand the evangelical view that salvation comes not through works, but through faith alone–in particular, faith or belief in and acceptance of Jesus Christ (John 3:16).

    So, if I, as a member of the LDS church, accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior (which I wholeheartedly do)–if I accept his gift and atoning sacrifice and the shedding of his blood for my sins, am I not saved? And if I am saved, am I not a Christian? Can a person be saved and still not be Christian? That is the great theological conundrum for those who share Pastor Jeffress’s views. I have read the Bible through many times and have not found anywhere within it an * that says you are saved through faith “IF” or “UNLESS” or “ONLY SO LONG AS…”. The evangelical christian view of salvation does not contain asterisks–a person is either SAVED or they are not.

    I would ask Pastor Jeffress, where does it say you are saved through faith “only” so long as your views of the gospel are in accordance with Pastor Jeffress–or in accordance with the SBC? Where does it say that faith in Jesus Christ is only valid IF your religious beliefs are sanctioned by ANY individual or group of individuals? If that assertion is not Biblical, Mr. Jeffress is himself “adding” to the Bible and is therefore guilty of the very heresy for which he decries “mormonism”.

    Members of the LDS church may have different religious views compared with other christian faiths, including catholics, evangelicals, or other protestant churches. Those different views might reasonably mean that they (Latter-day Saints) would not be accurately termed “EVANGELICAL” christians. The same could be said of catholics as well as other protestant faiths. However, it seems evident from evangelical teaching that all who come unto Christ–who have faith in and accept Him as their Lord and Savior–are “saved” and are therefore “Christian” by definition.

    If I have misstated the evangelical view, please feel free to comment or add any correction. God bless you, Pastor Jeffress, and everyone at EFM for the good you are doing.

    All the best,
    V Phillips

    • author

      You are another SELFISH, DECEIVED mormon CAUGHT in the throws of a CULT. The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • David French

        Dear readers,
        I moderate every comment (which is why there’s sometimes a delay between the time you post and the time it appears), but I only delete spam or obscene comments. I don’t censor hateful comments. Instead, I think they’re self-refuting. Anonymous name-calling seems to be an integral part of the internet, and it’s always self-defeating.

      • author

        I have never read the Book of Mormon or attended a single LDS service; therefore, I’m no expert and cannot comment on anything to do with the LDS church. Nor have I read and pondered the Bible to truly understand the teachings of Jesus Christ..

      • Anna Engdahl

        4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
        5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF
        This seems to apply to you more than V.Phillips

    • http://www.kevinstilley.com Kevin Stilley

      V. Phillips, I think some of the passages you are looking for are…

      2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

      Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

      It is amazing to me that anyone would try to say that polytheism and monotheism are the same thing. Whatever happened to the law on non-contradiction?

    • Dr Craig Holoboski

      Sadly, the writer is one of those “modern Christians” who strain gnats in an attempt to promote, even in good faith, acceptance in anything which calls itself Christian.

      Talmadge, “Mormon Doctrine” teaches: “as Man is, God once was; as God is, Man can be” and that is not Biblical Christianity. I was an Elder for years but after reading the Tanner Book on the Temple Rituals, I held off getting “endowments in the Temple” because I could neither finally find Joseph Smith was a Prophet nor accept the doctrines I was hearing in the Elders’ Quorum.

      The members of the LDS Church are very family oriented which is one of their strong points. They go out of their way to help people in need which is another. As a group they are great neighbors and good citizens.

      I would have to research Scripture to comment on your point about “belief in Jesus”. The Gospel writer said that Jesus will say to many, “I never knew you…” The Grace of Jesus the Christ is that HE may forgive and give the grace of Salvation to those HE chooses. The Apostle Paul taught us to avoid those teaching other doctrines. A Priori I would find that LDS Doctrine is not traditional Christianity. It is up to Jesus to decide if they are saved.

  • Lance in TX

    To use a similar quote as someone else: David, you hit this out of the park!

    Thank you for using your mind in a way that, I think, shows your Christian following of Jesus Christ! It is VERY sad that so many others cannot.

    • author

      You are deceived!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • author

        I’am deceived. I have never read the Book of Mormon or attended a single LDS service; therefore, I’m no expert and cannot comment on anything to do with the LDS church. Nor have I read and pondered the Bible to truly understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.

  • KRIS LARSEN

    Pastor Jeffress is a modern day Pharisee.

    • author

      God inspired the Apostles to write the Holy Bible. Not joseph smith!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Lance in TX

        Actually the Bible is a collection of letters and writtings that were written during and after Jesus’ life on this Earth. They were not planning a Bible. The letters that were written were to answer questions and discuss what Jesus was and had taught. Many other writings were similar to personal journals to document what Jesus was teaching.
        The Bible was put together in the 3rd and 4th century AFTER Jesus Christ’s death. The writting were collected and the Nicea Council and came up with what would become the Catholic Bible.

        Joseph Smith did not write the Bible nor did he write the Book of Mormon. He translated the Book of Mormon with the help of God.

        And we do not and have never denied Jesus Christ as being the Son of God, Our one and ONLY saviour through Him we can return to the presence of God our Heavenly Father.

        I will be happy to stand before Jesus Christ on Judgement Day and I believe He will judge me as a Christian.

        • fuster

          —– nor did he write the Book of Mormon. He translated the Book of Mormon with the help of God.—-

          whatever happened to those magic spectacles he used for the translation ?

          • Richard Peterson

            What does it matter what happened to “magic spectacles” or anything else? The question really is whether a person is willing to give any belief their undivided and non-preconceived attention to the matter at hand. No one is asking that Mormonism be believed. Rather we ask that you think it out in your own mind, do some soul searching, and some thought provoking research. Do we ask you to believe? Of course we do. At least allow us to believe as we choose and to consider ourselves as Christians and you do. To do otherwise extracts you partially from the Christian religion as a whole. You become nothing better the Mr. Jeffress.

          • Lance in TX

            Can I ask you a question…

            What ever happened to the staff that Moses used to part the red sea? Or the Ark of the Covenant? Or the tablets with the 10 Commandments on them? Or the Crosss that Jesus was crucified on?

            Or how about the ORIGINAL manuscripts that were written for the books of the Old Testament and New Testament?

            Faith has to be used.

        • author

          ACTUALLY YOU’RE WRONG AGAIN. You enjoy trying to define God with that gray matter in your skull don’t you. READ AND LEARN.

          2 Timothy 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
          17. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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          YEAH, I forever choose Holy Scripture and verse, as opposed to your miserable VAIN IMAGINATIONS. When GOD SAYS ALL, HE MEANS ((( ALL ))). Thank you. :D

          • author

            Yes I believe that all Jesus Christ taught is contained in the Bible. Again, I’ve never read nor do I fully comprehend it; therefore, I never read:

            John 21:25: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

      • author

        It’s clear I have no idea who Joseph Smith is or that he was inspired by God to translate, not write, the Book of Mormon from Holy Write.

        I have never read the Book of Mormon or attended a single LDS service; therefore, I’m no expert and cannot comment on anything to do with the LDS church. Nor have I read and pondered the Bible to truly understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    • Toni

      That is EXACTLY what I thought when I heard him spew his rubbish!

      • author

        You’re actually funny!! Hahaha…psssst…are you a mormon?

        Ummmmmm…hmmmmm…….well YES, you are!!! (haha)

        • author

          Yes I am a bitter human being with a major chip on my shoulder!

  • Tsvetelina

    I typed “Christian” into the search at dictionary.com and found the following definition:
    Chris·tian   [kris-chuhn] adjective
    1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
    2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
    3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.
    4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.
    5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.
    6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn’t Christian.

    noun
    7. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.
    8. a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ: He died like a true Christian.
    9. a member of any of certain Protestant churches, as the Disciples of Christ and the Plymouth Brethren.
    10. the hero of Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress.
    11. a male given name.

    Now, watch this and tell me that Mormons aren’t Christian.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coef8G5ax6E

    • author

      HELLO????? YOUTUBE DOES NOT DEFINE CHRISTIANITY!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!! Nor does the cultic book of mormon.

      The HOLY BIBLE defines Christianity!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Toni

        It’s “Christians” like you who give the rest of us a bad rap. This Jeffress guy is, as someone said above, a modern day Pharaisee; and we true Christians know how Jesus and The Father felt about them.

        • author

          You’re a mormon, embracing blasphemous teachings of the satanic book of mormon. JESUS IS GOD THE SON, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Not a created being and the brother of lucifer the angel who commited the FIRST SIN. Remember that. Thanks. :D

          • author

            I’ve never read the Book of Mormon; therefore, I am not an authority so I cannot claim it is satanic or blasphemous. If fear reading it as I may just learn that it is a witness of Jesus Christ and supports the Bible.

      • Lance in TX

        Actually, Jesus Christ will decide who is a Christian and who is not at Judgement Day. A BOOK does not define who is Christian.

        The Bible did not even EXIST when Jesus Christ was on this Earth. It did not exist until over 300 YEARS after Jesus Christ died.

        If you want to put your faith in salvation into a BOOK, please go ahead. I prefer to put my faith in Jesus Christ to be my saviour!

        • author

          You forgot, JESUS CHRIST AND HIS WORD ARE ONE. JESUS CHRIST IS THE VERY LIVING WORD OF GOD. Go study to show thyself approved please. And remember:

          John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
          2. The same was in the beginning with God.
          3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
          4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
          5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

          Jesus Christ IS Gods Word ALIVE!!!

      • Phillip Jerdon

        You obviously didn’t watch the video did you?

      • author

        Again, since I’ve never studied what the LDS church actually teaches I have no examples, as they surely don’t exist, of the LDS church or the Book of Mormon compromising God’s teachings. I am a true hypocrite that fears the day I meet my Savior.

        • Phillip Jerdon

          Then may I suggest you repent. :)

  • Vineyard

    Perry is a piece of work. And yet, this nonsense out of Pastor Jeffress mouth, will sway some Republican votes.

    I am hoping that the more independent thinkers among us will be completely turned off by this incredibly tired, overplayed, paranoid assessment of Mormons.

    As a Mormon, I’d almost welcome some new 21st century criticisms on my faith. Just to shake it up a bit.

    • author

      A decieved mormon you mean!!!!!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • NANCY SUTTON

        EVERY RELIGION IS A CULT. READ THE DEFINITION .

        • Lena Kins

          The Dictionary defines EVERY religion to be a cult.

      • Toni

        How narrow minded of you. By your way of looking at it, all religions are cults. I do not belong to a religion, I am a Christian. Big difference.

        • author

          No you’re a follower of the satanic, cultic, blasphemous book of mormon. VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BIG DIFFERENCE. (lol)

      • Richard Peterson

        Can’t you come up with something new? Your constant, unchanging response is quite boring.

      • author

        I cannot give one idea or reason why I claim the Mormons to be a cult. I believe, unlike Albert Einstein, that if I continue to copy and paste the same verses of scripture and claim the Mormons to be a cult, that I will receive revelation, oops I don’t believe in modern day revelation, that they are a cult.

        Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

  • Paul

    Thanks David, for your ongoing efforts to bring a little common sense to the important matter of how we should select our next president. I am LDS, and certainly we’re not going to agree on all points of religious doctrine. But I appreciate your defense of my right to consider myself a Christian, since I try to make the Lord a part of my daily life and depend fully on His grace and mercy for my salvation. As near as I can tell most of my Christian friends do not adhere to pastor Jeffress’s extreme views….at least I hope not. I wonder how many of the founding fathers pastor Jeffress would have eliminated because their religious views didn’t match his.

    • author

      You are a blind follower of a BLIND, BLASPHEMOUS, CULT. Remember you were warned!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Matt Purdum

        How insulting. You’ve posted the same thing here like five times so far. Do you think we missed it the first time. I really don’t care how much you think you’re a born-again Bible-believing Christian. If you don’t have love and respect for others, and if you are not a nice person, I don’t care to read anything you write. And I speak for most people when I say that. If you want to win others to Christ, loving and respecting them is the place to start.

        • author

          The mormon CULT, denies the deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is GOD the Son. Period. Chew on that. Thanks.

          :)

          • author

            My parents don’t know I am on the computer spewing nonsense.

          • author

            I cannot give an ounce of evidence that supports my claim that the Mormons deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Weird. I wonder if that’s because it’s not true and they don’t?

      • author

        I’am blind and blasphemous as is obvious by my repetitive postings of the same verses that I think, in my small mind, are connected to everything anyone says.

  • Robin

    I just listened to a video of Jeffress commenting over and over that Mitt Romney is not a Christian. He then gave his definition of what a Christian is. He said that a Christian is a person who has a genuine relationship with god, is enveloped by the Holy Spirit, is indwelt by the spirit of God and is uniquily favored of God. I can assure Mr. Jeffress that every member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including Mitt Romney, fulfills everyone of those characteristics. Who does he think he is to tell me or anyone within my faith, that we don’t have a relationship with God or have the spirit of the Lord with us. I assure him that we do. This Pastor Jeffress is not a righteous man. He is not walking in the footsteps of Jesus. He is a Pharisee. and a bigot. I know that Jesus would never condone this man’s words.

    • author

      You are wrong. The satanic book of mormon is in direct opposition to the Holy Bible. Gods of our own planets is enough. We need read NO MORE.
      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Toni

        You are wrong. The Word of God makes it clear that we are to judge nothing. Narrow minded religious people like you are not Christians. You do not live as a Christian when you judge. Shame on you.

        • author

          WRONG AGAIN. And shame on you for pretending to be a Christian and calling yourself mormon. Reverence Jesus Christ as GOD THE SON before you come judging with your own hypocrisy. Siding with satanic mormon doctrine that denies the DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST MAKES YOU AN ATHEIST. The truth hurts. Jesus Christ will SPEW THE LUKEWARM out of His mouth. You pretend to be a Christian.

    • Toni

      Actually, Jeffress is “religious.” He’s just not Christian. And I agree, certainly not righteous. Any righteous man would never say the sort of things he (or the “author” person who keeps spewing his judgment on this page) say. All we, as Christians can do…is pray for them.

      • author

        Once again. You’re a mormon who denies the deity of Jesus Christ. That makes you an blasphemer.

        • author

          Once again I’m a blasphemer that doesn’t know the Bible, as is clear by my repetitive posts with verses that don’t back my lame argument.

  • Al Dente

    Romney’s faith teaches that Jesus Christ was in attendance at Woodstock. SHOCKING: http://www.spnheadlines.com/2011/07/republican-religions-raise-ruckus.html

  • Tibby

    Mormonism is a cult. Any religion that adds to the Bible is of the devil. Satan wrote a bible and Joseph Smith found it under a rock.

    • author

      The book of mormon is not only a cult it’s satanic in it’s very nature. Once you attempt to discredit and deny the DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST, GOD THE SON, you are in danger. God help America to SEE that romney is just another NO-bama with a DIFFERENT face.

      • author

        I have never read the Book of Mormon or attended a single LDS service; therefore, I’m no expert and cannot comment on anything to do with the LDS church. Nor have I read and pondered the Bible to truly understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    • fuster

      yeah, Tibby. When Satan added that thing called the “New Testament” you probably were up all burning the midnight oil penning complaints and condemnations.

      • author

        mormon much? (haha)

        • author

          bitter much? (haha)

    • Lance in TX

      See my comment below about adding/removing from the Book of Revelation. You have a lot to learn about the Bible if you think that statement references the entire Bible.

  • Ray

    Wow, so masterfully written! What some fervent followers of Jeffress fail to realize is this is the same kind of mentality that gave us crosses burning in the yards! Bill Bennett was right in calling him out on this. It is this kind of fanaticism that both hurts mainstream Christianity and the many voters who turn off every candidate who has the religious taint of any denomination. As stated brilliantly by Bennett, “You stepped on and obscured the words of Perry and (former Sen. Rick) Santorum and (businessman Herman) Cain and (Rep. Michele) Bachmann and everyone else who has spoken here.” Perry also hurt himself by pulling a Huckabee by letting Jeffress be his hatchet man, while afterwards trying to deny what Jeffress said reflected his views.

    • author

      Nothing masterful about this piece of crap!!! Verse by verse, ALL WHO KNOW THE TRUTH, will see that the book of mormon contradicts the Holy Bible and Gods word to the point of BLASPHEMY!!! The last book of the Holy Bible warns ALL to not ADD to the writings of this book and if that is attempted. Then the will face the severe consequences of that DISOBEDIENCE. The mormon cult has long been exposed and directly opposing the Holy Bible and DENYING THE DIETY OF JESUS CHRIST.

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
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      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Lance in TX


        18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

        19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

        Actually the Book of Revelation warns to not add or subtract from the Book of Revelation, not the Bible as a whole. The Bible did not exist at the time that John write the Book of Revelation. John was saying that nothing should be added or deleted from his writtings in the Book of Revelation. I think you need to study a LOT more.

        The Bible was not assembled until the 3rd and 4th century AD. The Book of Revelation was not the last book written, it was placed at the end since it discussing the end times.

        Let me ask you a question. Which version of the Bible do you ready? Is it the Catholic Bible? If not, you are going to face damnation as you say. The Catholic Bible is the Bible that was created by the Nicea Council. All of the other versions removed bookd from the Catholic Bible. So, if you believe what is written in the Book of Revelation pertains to the entire Bible, then you are doomed unless you use the Catholic Bible.

        I think you need to learn the history of the Bible. When it was collected and bound. The politics involved with the creation of the Bible. You have a LOT to learn.

        • Harry

          Your use of the book of Revelation to say that adding to or taking away will add the punishment of God upon you. Have you ever read the Old Testament? The very same statement is found there, so lets throw out the New Testament because it in fact adds to the Old Testament by Jesus Christ Himself.

          Those statements your making show your lack of understand and that your just repeating what someone else has said. Get your own understanding of the Bible. While your at it, you will read that God is the same, today, yesterday and forever. He used prophets all through the Bible to teach His Children, He has not changed, He is still using living prophets today to give us his word.

          The Bible contains no statements that the heavens are closed and that God has done His work and is no more interested in His children here on Earth. The Heavens are in fact open and God still loves His children and still communicates with us through living Apostles and Prophets.

          • Lance in TX

            You were replying to “author” and not me.. correct?

        • author

          I don’t need your vain imaginations. Show me chapter and verse. Which you do not have. The warnings from the last book of Revelation, not to add or take away, are not only referring to THAT revelelation but is speaking OF GODS WORD IN ITS ENTIRETY. It is you who needs to SEE. Obviously you’re here to side with the CULT of mormonism which exposes your true agenda. Why are mormons so ASHAMED to state they are mormons in an open forum. Very telling. :)

          • Lance in TX

            I have always stated I am LDS since I converted to it in 1994. If you read my posts, you can see that I say I am LDS. Maybe you just cannot read what I write.

      • author

        I can’t cite one verse from the Book of Mormon that contradicts the Bible.

  • Charles L. Clarke

    Of course Mormanism is a cult, and also Baptist are a cult organization. The only difference between the general accept definition of a “Cult” is its size.
    The beliefs of any Christian wouldn’t get past the clinical definition of “Insanity”.
    Mormanism is big enough to pass the litmus test generally accorded as being accepted as not a cult. Pastor Jefferess’s falls into the realm, of a bigot and should be cast as a “Pariah” to a functioning loving Society.

    • author

      You spewing garbage with your atheism. 100% unadulterated IGNORANCE.

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • fuster

        author, you yutz.

        there’s so much Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, around here, that it behooves you to take a hike before some corruption gets on you…..

        • author

          Give me chapter and verse…..Mr. mormon. :)

          • author

            I can’t provide one verse from the Book of Mormon that contradicts the Bible. I’m just spewing the hatred I have heard from others. I’m uneducated and a bitter human.

  • Michelle

    Well said, David. I am also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and was a little shocked at the audacity of some who try to take a cheap jab at something they don’t understand. On John King Jeffress was asked if he has sat down with a Mormon to talk about differences and he dodged the question. I am a Christian and reserve the right to be a follower of Christ and value my vote in helping to better our country. I also believe that God allows our country to govern itself and that we use our choices, or agency to fabricate the destiny of our nation. i am sure God inspires men to make wise decisions, but He allows us to choose the paths we take.

    As for the issue of being a Christian, any individual who professes to follow or worship Christ should be able to call themselves Christian. This is all about
    PERSONAL belief and the right to it, which is what our country is founded upon.

    Another note, those who profess to be Christian and a follower of Christ should seek to become like Christ and incorporate the principles he taught into their own lives, that of tolerance, love and respect.

    • author

      THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, NOT the book of mormon.

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

  • Kay

    Rev. Robert Jeffress spoke THE TRUTH. Even though he did not say that Mormonism was a “cult”, IT IS A CULT. When did the truth become hate speech?
    Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that he will become a real “god” in the next life and be given his own planet to Lord over, in which he will call his wife, Ann, into in order to populate his planet with spirit children. Now, I ask you, would you truly vote for a man who truly believed he was going to become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET???? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land? Folks, this is the honest to God (no pun intended) truth. Wake up!
    If you want to be responsible before giving Romney a vote based on your feelings, versus, the truth about this man who will become both a god, and a president, this is a must read:
    The book: “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”. You owe it to your country to inform yourself with the truth before going to the voting booth. There is too much at stake
    http://www.amazon.com/Can-Mitt-Romney-Serve-Masters/dp/1449711995

    • David

      Your comments would have the dimwitted person believe something different from what God intended! Of course there is a book “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters” There is another book titled “The Holy Bible” In Matthew chapter 6 verse 24 it says: “No one can serve two masters . . . ” So when I read the bible I understand that this scripture was making reference to man serving God and money. Remember that “NO ONE” can serve two masters. Not Mitt Romney, not Rick Perry, not Herman Cain, not Michelle Bachman and especially not Donald Trump (Money Money Money Money …. MONNNEEY)

      • author

        WRONG…..stop reading the book of mormon with is blasphemy against the DEITY OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST WHO IS GOD THE SON. Which the CULT of mormonism DENIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
        And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
        *********************************
        1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
        4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
        5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
        *********************************

    • author

      Thank you for standing up for the TRUTH. Jesus Christ is the way. the truth and the life!!!!!!!

      The book of mormon is a CULT indeed, with millions of lost souls needing TRUE SALVATION from Jesus Christ, not joseph smith.

      • Eichendorff

        Anybody who uses all caps a lot and types seven exclamation points in a row is a tool of Satan.

        Withdraw yourself and partake of the true salvation of proper syntax, grammar, and punctuation.

        • author

          Chapter and verse……NOT your spewing venom. Another mormon perhaps? Ashamed to say it in an open forum? OF COURSE YOU ARE ASHAMED, AND VERY WELL SHOULD BE. :)

  • Suzie

    Thanks David. Perhaps, we should let the Savior decide who is Christian and who is not. After all, you can read His words in Matthew 7:17-20. In part, “by their fruits ye shall know them.”

    • author

      You’re weak! If you have any common sense you KNOW when you read that the Holy Bible clearly defines Jesus Christ as GOD THE SON, the second PERSON of the HOLY TRINITY. And the CULT of mormonism denies that, which is BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Toni

        I find it interesting that you keep copying and pasting the same narrow minded junk over and over…as if you are the authority on what the Bible says, picking a choosing what serves your narrow mind. I know that it also says that ONLY God knows the condition of ones heart. I think there will be a lot of surprised people when they get to Heaven when they see who else may be there. I am leaving this up to God…not narrow minded people like this so called “Pastor” and certainly not up to narrow minds like “author.”

        • author

          Just state you’re a mormon….quit hiding behind the word Christianity when you DO NOT recognize Jesus Christ as GOD THE SON. Your shame of mormonism exposes you.

  • Eichendorff

    I have never been able to comprehend why some Evangelicals spend so much time and effort trashing other religions and belief systems with which they do not agree. From the LDS point of view, Evangelical Christianity is just as wrong as the LDS religion is from the Evangelical point of view, but no Latter-day Saint makes a point of condemning the beliefs of Evangelicals.

    Latter-day Saints have suffered enough persecution to understand the evil and pointlessness of bigotry. We don’t want to play the victim card, and so we try our best, in our imperfect way, to show respect for the sacred beliefs of others.

    I thank God, every day of my life, that I have the blessing and privilege to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It brings me closer to God and to Christ than any other belief system I know anything about. God loves all people, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, and so on. They are all his children and he will be merciful to all who do their best to live righteously.

    I may think that some people have incorrect beliefs, but I am not going to behave like a Pharisee. God has given me and every other person the responsibility to love others and be kind and gracious to them. I will eventually be accountable to him for the manner in which I fulfilled this responsibility.

    • author

      WRONG…you’re not even worth speaking to. Just read my other posts deceived one.

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

  • tiafala

    Mr. French, thank you for taking your time and effort to address Pastor Jeffress UN-Brotherly Conduct. I laugh at him and all the other so called “Pastors” who profess to be Shepherds in God’s SheepFolds but are slaughtering, feeding on and scattering the sheep. Attending a Theological University or whatever level of Education to obtain that Doctor or Professor title added to one’s name to become a Preacher of a Congregation does not mean one knows everything about God’s Gospel or that God has commisioned and authorized one to teach and say all manner of things invoking God’s name. If the Bible becomes the sole source of information that one depends upon, then, Did God write the Bible? How did the Bible become a Bible? How many translations and Editions the Bible has gone through since it took shape? How many hands did the scriptures pass through before becoming a Bible? That’s why I believe what the Church of Jesus Christ teaches,” We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly”. Watch out, 16 October 11, the Church is putting outa Video on how the Bible came to be. Bottom line is, as real Christians, we must gather our brothers and sisters no matter what they think, who they are and whatever their circumstances are, love them and enjoy life together. Leave the judgement to Christ, He is the Lord of Judgement. Love the sinner, the unrighteous and hate the sin. Life is too short and temporary here, just love one another and fulfill God’s purposes for us here on earth to prepare to meet him and for the next life in the hereafter.

    • author

      WRONG. Read 1 Timothy chapter 6. Ohhhh wait….you only read the book of mormon PER joseph smith. Hahahaha. Now you get it right???

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

    • Toni

      AMEN, Tiafala, amen!

  • David

    Pastor Jeffress unfortunately has brought his own religion into the limelight. Baptists are one sect of the Protestant church. They broke away from the main protestant church because they opposed infant baptism. Pastor Jeffress southern baptist ties are problematic however in that the southern baptists separated themselves from the main baptist faith because they were in favor of slavery and racism. Given the fact that he is a leader of this faith I would have to say that a guy like this has no credibility in the eyes of Jesus Christ. If I were one of his followers I would seriously consider my religious choices including becoming a Mormon! If Jeffress was a true Christian he would renounce his southern baptist ties and start a new cult! All of this information is on Wikipedia. Check it out.

    • author

      You’re scared…it’s obvious. :)

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Toni

        I doubt any thinking person is “scared” of Jeffress. author. Pity him (and you), likely, but scared? No.

        • author

          You’re scared to say you’re a mormon…..(haha)

  • Eichendorff

    I really don’t want to get into an argument, but Kay demonstrates exactly my point.

    The book by Trisha Erickson, referred to in the post above, is a lie from beginning to end. Latter-day Saints do not believe any of the things referred to in the post.

    The best place to find out what Latter-day Saints believe is an LDS church building during worship services. For those who can’t be bothered to attend a meeting, go to http://www.mormon.org. Doing this will ensure you find the truth.

    • author

      Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. NOT the blasphemous book of mormon.

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

  • Harry Payne

    I feel so sorry for Pastor Jeffress. It looks like the words he used have caused an internet firestorm. I wish I could give him a hug, because he has tried to do some good in the world during his life and any of us could have made a statement that we wish we could retract. I hope that is the case for him.

    It isn’t a good idea for any of us to judge another person, that should be left up to the Judge of us all, Jesus Christ.

    It might have been better to have said something like: Both Rick Perry and Mitt Romney are good men, but I choose Rick Perry. I think that would have been more Christ like.

    I wish the Pastor well.
    Harry

    • author

      Pastor Jeffress has spoken the TRUTH about mormonism being a CULT. Grow a backbone please. Thanks!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

      • Harry

        Both you and the Pastor are possibly too tied up in your own tiny world to see the light of the truth. You do not seem to understand scripture well enough to quote it correctly. You are in the dark my friend.

        • author

          Jesus Christ is GOD THE SON. The dark book of mormon denies that TRUTH. Tis you who is in the dark when you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ!!!

          :)

  • Matthew

    Jeffress is a bigot, pure and simple. As this article says, his comment is nothing more than a slur against the LDS faith. As it is, separation of church and state is in the constitution of the united states. It is unconstitutional for Jeffress to bring up religion at all in this debate, and he would do well to examine the beliefs of the LDS church more closely before he publicly states that they are not christians. It is biased bigotry based on no fact whatsoever. The first article of faith of the LDS church states, “We believe in God the eternal father, and in his son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Look it up. If anyone has questions about the beliefs of the LDS church, do not get your answers from a biased bigot, but rather from a person who believes the teachings. Attend a meeting, or go to a church sponsored website. You will find the LDS church chooses not to constantly bash on other evangelical religions, they choose to bash on the LDS faith. Is this really the christian way? to constantly insult and contradict other men? Jesus said to love everyone.

    • author

      You DENY the DEITY of Jesus Christ and you KNOW IT.

      JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE SON. And you dishonor MY LORD AND SAVIOR BY CALLING HIM ANYTHING ELSE BUT THAT!!!

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

  • Ed

    Baptists are notorious bigots. They basically despise everything/everyone outside their sphere of Baptist dogma. Check out this repulsive website run by a Baptist named David Stewart:
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Mormons/mormon.htm
    “19.We love because he first loved us. 20.If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar; for whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.j 21.This is the commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.” 1 John 4:19-21

    • author

      JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE SON. If you don’t believe that, then you are in sin neighbor. Been to a mormon church much? (HAHA)

      The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
      And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
      *********************************
      1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
      4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
      5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
      *********************************

  • http://BillFreeze.com Bill Freeze

    This morning I posted two articles from Dr. Norman Vincent Peale and his interaction with Mormon leaders. When he was alive I think it is safe to say that Dr. Peale probably had forgotten more about what it means to be a real Christian then Pastor Bob Jeffress will ever know…

    http://on.fb.me/nCmNlr

  • author

    The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
    And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
    *********************************
    1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
    4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
    5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
    *********************************

  • author

    You are the hypocritical BIGOT. The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
    And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
    *********************************
    1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
    4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
    5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
    *********************************

  • author

    This lost soul named david is just that…….LO S T. I state emphaitically that the book of mormon is not only a CULT , but a satanic CULT. When anyone tries (in letter or in word to DENY the DEITY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST) like the book of mormon does, that IS satanically inspired. And THAT is what Mr. david here MISERABLY FAILS to state. The book of mormon calls the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS WHO IS JESUS CHRIST……..”a created being Himself” and the brother lucifer who was also a created being. That is 100% BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!

    The mormon religion is a CULT. Period.
    And all you who try to compromise Gods word by saying that the teachings of mormonism are not CULTIC in nature are denying Jesus Christ, and will have to face Him with your hypocrisy.
    *********************************
    1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
    4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
    5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.
    *********************************

    • Eichendorff

      You can scream, rant, and rave all you want. The rest of us just sit back and enjoy watching you make a complete fool of yourself.

      What a laugh.

      • Toni

        Eichendorff , you took the words right outta my mouth. Well said!!

        • Eichendorff

          I just wonder if “author’s” mother knows what he/she is doing with the family computer.

      • author

        Mormon much? None of you seem to want to admit it. It is I who am laughing at the very CLEAR PATTERN OF DENIAL.
        hahahaha

    • Harry

      Your repeat key is stuck or that is all of your total knowledge, which is it?

      • author

        Harry, go to bed. You have no argument here. It’s been refuted long ago. Thanks. :)

  • Judas Iscariot

    My Bible says judge not lest ye be judged. Robert Jeffress clearly does not read the Bible.

  • author

    I’m a lost and bitter soul who, like Pastor Jeffres, fails the ultimate litmus test of a true Christian, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR!

    Please forgive me for I have sinned.

    • author

      Very funny. Hahahahahaha!!! CLONING NAMES NOWM ARE WE??? HAHAHAHA. OH MAN…..where the litmus test now??? Hurry and bring it to the CLONE OF (((((((((( AUTHOR )))))))))). HAHAHAHAHAHA

      Still waiting for you to admit you here to support mormonism, MR CLONE.

      :D

      • author

        Still waiting for you to actually use your real name and not the hide behind the shadow of a anonymous name. Come out with your real name and own your words. If you can’t do that then your words mean nothing as you have no faith to stand by them.

  • Charlie

    Let’s get down and dirty with this “cult” accusation that has been going on for years against the LDS church. I am a lifelong member of the LDS church. There are many definitions from many people of what a cult really is. Below is a quotation from The Neal A. Maxwell Institute For Religious Scholarship, whose mission is to “seek to deepen understanding and nurture discipleship among Latter-day Saints while promoting mutual respect and goodwill among people of all faiths”. I would urge non LDS to access it’s website to answer your genuine questions about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The quote below should stir some genuine thought to those who continue to refer to the church as a cult. The below paragraph accuses to the LDS church as being a cult because it is built entirely on Jospeh Smith. The last paragrpah offers the rebuttal.

    The April 1991 Evangel, published by Oklahoma-based Utah Missions Incorporated, offers an amusing argument on this issue. “Who was Joseph Smith?” the paper asks rhetorically. “He was to Mormonism what Christ is to Christianity! If it had not been for Christ there would have been no Christianity, if it had not been for Joseph Smith there would have been no Mormonism. . . . If Joseph Smith is to Mormonism as Christ is to Christianity—and Joseph Smith and Christ are not one and the same—then Mormonism must not be Christian!”

    A paraphrase of The Evangel’s argument will be sufficient to show its weakness. “Who was Martin Luther? He was to Lutheranism what Christ is to Christianity! If it had not been for Christ there would have been no Christianity, if it had not been for Martin Luther there would have been no Lutheranism. . . . If Martin Luther is to Lutheranism as Christ is to Christianity—and Martin Luther and Christ are not one and the same—then Lutheranism must not be Christian!” Given such arguments, could Calvinism survive as “Christian”? Would the Mennonites or the Wesleyan Methodists or the Swiss Evangelical Reformed Church (founded by Zwingli) or the Campbellites pass such a test?

  • Stacey

    Mr. French,

    Thank you for your thoughtful and meaningful analysis of Dr. Jeffress’ comments. I completely agree with you that “… it is God who defines Christianity, not Robert Jeffress (thanks be to God for that), and in his word God has clearly stated that salvation is based on faith alone.” As Christ taught in Matthew 22, when answering a lawyer who was trying to test him asked, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” (v. 36) Jesus’ response was “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (v. 37-40) (language from King James 2000 Bible)

    Distilled down to one word, the greatest commandment is to love. It is not our place as mortals to judge another’s love for or devotion Christ. And if we criticize and belittle others for their beliefs, by calling them “cult followers,” “cultish,” or “satanic,” we break the second greatest commandment Christ taught.

    Many comments about the Mormon religion, I believe, are based on misinformation and divisive attitudes. I believe that if people accept and follow Christ and are doing their best to be good, honest people, we should at the very least, refrain from disparaging them.

    As for the commenter who is so cowardly as to only identify him/herself as “author,” before you condemn the Mormon church as a cult, please provide evidence for the basis of your allegations. Saying something repeatedly in ALL CAPS does not make it so. Without credible evidence, your comments reflect more on you than on the church you are disparaging.

  • Berbs

    Pastor Jeffress smeared not only himself but the religion he professes to represent as well as the Republican Party. Thank you for speaking out against his obvious religious bigotry. I am watching closely to see who else speaks out against the bigotry of Pastor Jeffress versus those who defend him or remain silent on the sideline. You can learn a lot about someone’s character by observing how they react to bigotry.

    • author

      JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE SON. DO YOU AGREE?

      :D Hmmmmmmmmmm……….????????????

  • wayne.terry8720@gmail.com

    The whoop la seems to be about Dr. Jeffress stating the obvious. Baptists and Mormons hold different views about the doctrines that control the lives of their churches but that both teach a similar moral position. It seems logical to me that people who hold Baptist views would prefer a Baptist to a Mormon but that any moral Republican candidate would be better than the inept man holding the highest office of the land right now.

    “Christian” is a term that is reserved for followers of Christ and not just the larger set of persons who have accepted Him as their savior. Most students of the New Testament know that the origin of the term was derisive. It was first tagged on believers in place of “The Way.” Later it came to be understood as those who were disciples of Christ in a more strict sense of following His doctrines and leaning not on Judaism or the pagan religions of the region and time for their relationship with God the Father.

    I concede that no man can know the mind of God and salvation takes place in His mind and thus is not based on man’s rules. We (human beings) therefore are not qualified to state whether another man is saved but we ought to be able to determine if another’s fruits are congruent with the revelation of the New Testament (we are fruit inspectors). Mr. Romney may be accepted by God. Far be it from me to play God but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints puts forth doctrines that are quite at odds with the fundamental tenants of orthodox Christianity. Such peculiar doctrines should be considered an affront to orthodoxy and thus a faithful minister of any orthodox Christian organization should admonish the followers to oppose putting such men/women in high office if Christians are also available to serve in the same capacity.

    The much-quoted Politico article says, “The conservative Christian leader (speaking of Dr. Robert Jeffress) said that he himself would vote for Romney and does not doubt that he is a good man.” The question Dr. Jeffress raised was not related to the general election but rather it was focused on the primary process where voters have opportunity to select someone with spiritual views more compatible with their own. The 2008 primary elections proved that Dr. Jeffress is correct about how voters from the evangelical voting block are likely to vote in the 2012 primary elections yet he said that in a general election he would cast his own vote for Mr. Romney and said that, “he is a good man.” It is only speculation on Dr. Jeffress’ part to predict how evangelicals will vote (or abstain from voting) in the general election since we have yet to have a Mormon on the ballet in a general election. He might be correct but I doubt it. I think that while most will be less energetic about a Mormon than an evangelical, I think they will vote and vote for Mr. Romney rather than Mr. Obama.

    As for me, my biggest concern about my own governor, Mr. Perry, is that he is soft on illegal immigration. I hope that Mr. Cain continues to gain traction with conservatives.

    Wayne from Frisco, Texas

  • Jeff

    1 Timothy 6

    3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness.

    From what I’ve seen, the Mormons posting on this and other sites do profess a belief in the Bible and in Jesus Christ. They “consent to wholesome words.”

    4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

    The “strife, railing, and evil surmisings” on this message board appear to arise from one source, and it’s not the Mormons.

    5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF.

    If the name of the game is to withdraw oneself from association with men of purportedly “corrupt minds,” our friend “author” needs to take his own advice and withdraw from this board before he is irreparably tainted by “perverse disputings.” However, something tells me it’s too late for him or her.

    • Hal Swanson

      The official name of the “Mormon” church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Christ is the cornerstone of the Mormon religion and is the very same Christ found in the bible. The Christ of the old and new testament is a member of the Godhead comprised of the Father, the Son(Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost. Pastor Jeffress says that no scripture should be added to the bible. I think he derives that from the statement made in The Book of revelation states at the end of the book that no scripture should be added to it, meaning The Book of Revelation, not the bible itself. This is apparent because although The Book of Revelation is shown as the last book in the bible, it was chronologically not the last book written in the bible. This is apparent because other books of the bible were written after The Book of Revelation. If Pastor Jeffress had ever read the Book of Mormon, he would recognize that
      Christ found in the Book of Mormon is the very same one found in the bible.

    • Lance in TX

      Jeff,
      Thank you.

    • author

      JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE SON. Do you believe this????

      Hmmmmmm….not one mormon hasd replied yet. hahahahaha

    • author

      Let’s discuss the truth of the DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST, WHO WAS, IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE GOD THE SON. Scared to go there??? Too corrupted perhaps? JOHN 1:1 MEDITATE on it young one.

  • Wayne from Frisco, Texas

    There can be little doubt that Mormonism contradicts New Testament doctrine from the shallow knowledge that I have had of the religion but there is one fundamental question raised by Author about the nature of Christ that others posting here fail to address.

    Put aside emotion if we can and look at Author’s argument. If true, that the Book of Mormon puts Jesus Christ in the realm of the created rather than the creator then one stating that he has faith in Jesus means one thing to a Mormon and quite another to a Baptist or any other orthodox Christian. Mormonism falls into the same group as Jehovah’s Witnesses who openly declare that Jesus is “a god” but not deity. To deny the deity of Christ negates any confession of faith in him. Wouldn’t you who are Christians agree with that premiss?

    Christians – believers – believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and that no man can come to the Father except by him. Who is he though? Is he the carpenter, Joseph’s son? Is he the son of the living God and creator of all except the eternal Father? Saving faith must be founded in Jesus the Christ who is God incarnate. It is not faith in the human Jesus but the God-man Jesus that comprises faith in Him. Perhaps Mitt Romney would like to offer a position on the deity of Christ not simply a statement that he believes in Jesus Christ. Hum???

    Perhaps there is a larger problem with Mormonism than I first realized. I’ve got a copy of the Book of Mormon upstairs. I think I’ll read it for myself. Let’s see if it squares with the New Testament revelation about Jesus as the Son of God. Okay?

    • Eichendorff

      Mormonism does not contradict the New Testament. What it probably does is contradict your particular interpretation of the New Testament.

      Something quite different.

    • Lance in TX

      “There can be little doubt that Mormonism contradicts New Testament doctrine from the shallow knowledge that I have had of the religion”

      That is your problem. You have admitted to a shallow knowledge of our religion. Since you do not have a good knowledge of our religion, you cannot really understand it.

      The problem with you going to read it is that you have already decided that it is wrong and false. I don’t believe you have a real desire to know if it is true or not. Without that desire, you will never really understand it. That is like a devoted atheist saying they are going to go read the Bible to decide if it squares with his belief that there is no God. It just will not work.

    • author

      Trust me. The book or mormon DENIES JESUS CHRIST AS GOD THE SON. I know you know this. Not one mormon on this page will address the issue. NOT ONE. :D

  • Lutheran Layman

    It does not matter what Pastor Jeffries, author, you, me, or anyone else thinks about someone else’s faith, or ours either. God will judge each of us, Pastor Jeffries, author, you, me nor anyone else. Maybe what we should be doing is living our faith and witnessing to what we believe rather than ranting about what others believe.

  • Eichendorff

    Anyone who reads the Book of Mormon in an honest way can only come to the conclusion that it bears witness of Christ in the very same way as the New Testament. One of the purpose statements on the title page of the Book of Mormon says:

    “… and also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations …”

    The whole of the subject matter in the Book of Mormon has that as its central theme. It bears witness of his Atonement repeatedly and testifies of the divinity of Christ and the reality of his resurrection. No other book in existence, including the Bible, bears a stronger testimony of Jesus Christ as the Son of the Living God.

    The Book of Mormon does not contradict anything in the Bible. It strengthens the message of the Bible because it is a witness for Christ.

    • author

      THE HOLY BIBLE THE INFALLIBLE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD STATES IN MANY PLACES THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE SON.

      Do you believe this TRUTH mr. mormon????

      Still waiting………………………………….

      • Jared

        Author please explain your understanding of the below verses:

        John 5:19; Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

        So from what I understand there is NOTHING that Jesus did that he DIDN’T first see the Father do, correct?

  • Erik the Cherokee

    As a Cherokee who is a Christian, a graduate magna cum laude of Stanford, and having read the Bible cover-to-cover more times than I can count, I am beginning to wonder if it is not the Southern Baptist Church that at least borders on cultism. While I am certain my words will induce all manner of repellent, odious criticism from members of the globe’s largest Protestant denomination, I feel compelled to remind those who adhere to Pastor Jeffress’ perspective that the Bible also is clear about groups who use their faith as platforms on which to judge others. If you believe it, fine; then keep it to yourselves. It is not your place on this earth to evaluate your human brethren. Matthew 7: 1, 2 “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” Methinks that any church sect that stoops to judging their fellow human beings’ beliefs are indeed teetering on violating at least this important Biblical segment. Were I am member of such a church that openly evaluates the beliefs of others before God has done so ,I think I wouls seriously consider joining a different Christian denomination.

  • john elsegood

    A fine article David, contrasted by the pathetic atttitude of Jeffress, a pharisee and running-dog of a desperate Texan braggard who can’t cut the mustard.
    As for Mormons, I much prefer them to the moron called ‘author’ whose pathetic rants attached to this article show up the worst of America, unlike Mitt who represents the best.

  • John Brown

    THE AMERICAN EVANGELICAL TALIBAN
    Look. Jeffress name-calling boils down to him saying he doesn’t trust anyone except those of his particular strain of evangelicalism. That’s fine. It’s his opinion, and he has a right to it, even if it is a bit Chicken Little. It’s unfortunate he doesn’t look at the quality of the man, but that’s his decision.

    I’m more concerned, not with name calling, but the fact that Jeffress seems to be part of a movement in some evangelical circles that is more like the Taliban than anything else. A perfect example of this American Christian Taliban is Bryan Fischer, an official at the American Family Association, who has publicly stated that he thinks the first ammendment constitutional right to the free exercise of religion doesn’t apply to anyone who doesn’t agree with him–Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, you name it. Who knows, will he include Catholics next? Diests (which a number of the founding fathers were)?

    This is pure anti-American. These folks want to institute their own type of psuedo-Christian Sharia Law. They’re KKK leftovers. And why more on the right do not rise up and excoriate them is beyond me.

    TO THE FELLOW QUOTING REVELATIONS. . .
    With regard to Revelations, Moses said the same thing as John did at the end of his book.

    DEUTERONOMY 4: 1-2
    1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.

    2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

    Whoops, seems like everything in the Bible after Moses was unsanctioned writing as well. Revelations 22 is simply not a good scripture to use for that argument.

    • Lance in TX

      Bryan Fischer’s feelings remind me of Gov. Lilburn Boggs of Missouri and his 1838 Executive Order 44 also known as the “Mormon Extermination Order”. His order stated “the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description.” This order stayed on the books until 1976.

      • fuster

        only difference Lance, was that Boggs was responded to actions undertaken by the Mormons rather than critiquing their theology.

        • Lance in TX

          Can you please explain the actions that the Mormons were taking that would require an extermination order?

  • C. Smith

    Does a LDS believe that Jesus is God that became man? That Jesus is God incarnate? If they don’t accept this teaching then I would say they are not in line with the word of God. Whether a person wants to call it a cult is up to them. I believe that the Jesus I know is God! Any other definition of Jesus is not the same to me. So, if this is what the bottom line is then it is a very serious one, at least for me.

    • Ted Gardiner

      Yes! We believe that “Jesus is God that became man”! He is the Only Begotten of the Father. He is the Way, the Truth, the Life. He is the Redeemer of all mankind. He is my Savior!

      • author

        LET’S BE PERFECTLY CLEAR. JESUS CHRIST ALWAYS WAS, ALWAYS IS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE GOD THE SON.

        LET US PROFESS HIS DIETY AND LORDSHIP FROM THE HIGHEST MOUNTAIN TOPS.

        :)

  • Bert Chapman

    As an evangelical who proudly supports Romney, I appreciate all the good things your website does to promote his candidacy. Although I disagree with Mormon theology, our goal this upcoming election should be electing individuals who have impeccable moral character and promote sound and Christian-friendly public policies that will improve our national economic situation, national moral climate, and national security in an increasingly dangerous world. Christians involved in political affairs must do far more than cite Bible verses ad nauseam. They most know the mechanics of governmental policymaking and be able to articulate policies that effectively address current and emerging national requirements.

  • scott

    It saddens me to see the vitriol between Mormons and creedal Christians seen here. Creedal Christians seem ready to dismiss Mormons from the brotherhood of Christianity because they differ on their view of the nature of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Mormons seem ready to insult creedal Christians knowledge of the Bible. This has got to stop. Putting aside the poor citizenship this reveals, but both sides should be able to grasp one of Christ’s central doctrines- judge not, lest ye be judged.

  • Paul in Laurel, MD

    I just wanted to point out that Victor Phillips’ comment (the first reply to David’s response) is one of the most eloquent ones I have seen. I perceive evangelicals’ problems with Mormonism to be twofold: the additional scriptures and the–admittedly very proselytizing–image of the LDS missionary program. One should keep in mind, though, that, first, the missionaries do a lot of humanitarian and service work besides the proselytizing for which they are notorious, and, second, that they DO bring many souls (closer) to Christ, whether or not the said individuals end up being baptized in the LDS Church.

    • Eichendorff

      If you are correct that Evangelicals have a problem with additional scriptures and the missionary program, I must admit I’m puzzled. After the Resurrection, the Apostles and other followers of Jesus introduced new scripture. The Pharisees used the same argument against the new doctrine and scriptures that Evangelicals use against Mormonism and the Book of Mormon.

      Those same followers of Jesus also went into the world as missionaries, just like LDS missionaries do today. Why is this such a problem? These are not new concepts. They have been the hallmark of Christianity since the beginning.

  • hamaca

    The French’s are doing wonderful work here in tearing down walls that need not divide those of us committed to furthering the causes of conservatism and integrity in turning around this great country.

    I’m not speaking for them in any way and what follows is my personal opinion. They are reaching out and bringing together people who heretofore have been needlessly divided along non-political lines. This opens them up and creates certain vulnerabilities that only those with their inner strength can embrace and even thrive in.

    Therefore, anyone who presumes this to be an opportunity or platform to promote their own religious beliefs, whatever they may be, is disrespecting them and the work they doing. I do not see their site as an open invitation to convert or proselytize, but rather as one to bring together people who have much in common politically, intellectually, and even to a certain extent spiritually.

    Please do not take advantage of their courtesy, of their kindness, of their openness. Rather, embrace their mission and goal to return the leadership of this great nation to hands that will best guide it back to the greatness we and the world desperately need.

  • Alan JC

    The heading of the last writing of the New Testament is as follows:

    THE REVELATION

  • Alan JC

    The last and final writing recorded in the New Testament is titled as follows:

    “THE REVELATION of St John The Divine.” A single revelation given to St John while on the Isle of Patmos that filled 22 chapters to hold this 1 revelation. Not Revelations but singular Revelation.
    “If anyone shall add or take away from the book of this prophecy… (Which prophecy?) “The Revelation by St John Divine. ” We invite all to come unto Christ, the Messiah, The only begotten Son of God.

  • Matt Purdum

    Well folks, here’s the thing. I don’t care who you are, what church you go or don’t go to, or what you call yourself. If you ain’t nice, nobody’s gonna care. You can be a Baptist or a Mormon or a Buddhist, you can sit home all day Sunday, but if Jesus Christ lives in your heart and you love God and your fellow human beings, that’s really all that matters. Really. It doesn’t matter how right you are, how you define a cult, what your doctrine is, or how much you’ve read the Bible or any other book. Do you love God? Do you love your neighbor? Do you accept and try to follow Christ? Or do you just shout and attack, build walls between people, and persuade yourself that you are righteous because you are doctrinally correct according to some human definition? There’s going to be a lot of surprises on the last day, and a superior, imperious, absolute certainty about such things is the diametrical opposite of Christ-like humility. So if you ain’t nice, I don’t care. And if you ain’t humble, then I don’t care. If you don’t have respect for every single human being — every creature made in God’s image, every creature that Christ died for — then I don’t care. Are we clear?

  • Kevin

    Not only at baptism, do we LDS take the name of Jesus Christ upon us, but in addition to trying to live Christ-like lives, we renew our covenants to God through the name of Jesus Christ each Sunday as we partake of the sacrament:
    “O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it; that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him, and keep his commandments which he hath given them, that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.” is the blessing offered on the sacrament that keeps fresh in the minds of those attending the covenants made at baptism and the life long commitment they have made.

    Moses, Abraham, Noah, Isaiah, were great prophets. Men called of God to lead God’s people… do we discount the Old Testament writings as being words of men or the faith they lead as being faith of men? Jesus called Apostles, Prophets, Seers, Evangelists… to lead His sheep after His ascension. Do we discount the revelations men received from God through Christ in the New Testament as writings of men? Christ and His apostles may have warned of false prophets and wolves in sheep’s clothing in the latter days, but they also told of a restoration of the Gospel after a fall. Couldn’t that mean that God and Jesus Christ would once again call a prophet to lead individuals back to Christ? It’s been done several times throughout the history of the Bible. Why not in today?

    Did Joseph ever prophecy of anyone other than Christ? Did he invite people to follow anyone other than Christ? Did he get an education at a school on the Bible, then determine he had the better interpretation of the scriptures and start a church? No. He prayed about the religions he was aware of at the time. In his petition to know of which church he should join, he – like prophets of old – received revelation from God. In this case, God and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph and declared to him that he would be the one to restore Christ’s church and the priesthood authority back to the Earth. From that moment forward, Joseph’s entire life’s work was to proclaim the message received that day in a quiet grove, along with all other revelations God and Jesus Christ gave to Joseph, to all the world. Even today, as men continue to be called to serve in roles of apostleship, their entire purpose is to preach of Christ.
    “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” 2 Nephi 25:26
    “And now behold, I say unto you that the right way is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul; and if ye do this ye shall in nowise be cast out.” 2 Nephi 25:29

    It’s unfortunate when men of Jeffress stature decide to ignore the fundamental doctrines of a religion and cast it off as being a cult in order to justify their positions – religiously or politically. In another article Joe Scarborough writes about the pharisees in Jesus’ time.

    • Kevin

      Were the comments the Pharisees made of Jesus driven by politics or religious conviction? The very man they taught for centuries would come, now posed a political/authoritative threat to them so they made similar comments about Jesus as Pastor Jeffress chooses to make about the LDS faith.

  • Richard Carpenter

    Dr. Jeffress is NOT a Christian. No true Christian would incite the kind of persecution that he does. I have a sister who lives in the Dallas area, who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons), and Dr. Jeffress’ local influence has caused her children to lose friends, and herself to lose business clients simply because of religious differences. That is contrary to the kind of love that Jesus Christ taught in the Bible. And nowhere in the Bible is Dr. Jeffress’ bizarre belief that one must only confess the name of Jesus and believe that God raised him up in order to be saved. That is a false doctrine. The Bible very clearly teaches in many, many places that faith and works go hand in hand, and that men will be judged and rewarded according to their works, and will be admitted into Heaven only through the mercy and grace of God. It’s sad that so many people have been deceived by Dr. Jeffress, and donate money to his disgraceful cause.

  • Stephanie

    I’d hate to see what this “author” has to say about Catholics.

  • http://www.thinkpoint.wordpress.com Steve Cornell

    I’ve suggested that “cult” might be a label we should leave behind: See: http://thinkpoint.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/is-cult-a-label-we-should-stop-using/

  • Bob M

    I’m an Evangelical Christian who would have no reservations about supporting a Mormon for president. Mormons are among the nicest people and best citizens I’ve known. I’d support a like-minded Mormon for president over any other candidate who calls himself a Christian but acts very differently when faced with sanctity of human life or homosexual “marriage” issues.

    I agree with the author that we have problem defining terms. But I’d state the problem differently: “To believe that Mormonism is Christianity, one has to stretch the term (i.e., Christianity) so far as to be functionally meaningless.”

    Orthodox Christianity has certain fundamental beliefs that define it. These are the essentials of the faith with which LDS parts on a number of matters. It is very disrespectful of Mormons, or anyone else, to add and subtract from the essentials of the Christian faith and still claim to be Christians. You have effectively tried to redefine Christianity, and, even though I love you, I don’t appreciate your intrusion.

    Using the name of Jesus in the title of your church doesn’t make you Christian. You denigrate the name of Jesus by adding to and subtracting from what He taught and claiming to be His followers.

    “Biblical Christianity” which is over 2,000 years old, has never been refuted by archaeology, history or DNA evidence. If Mormonism, which is less than 200 years old, is added to the mix, the same statement cannot be made.

    Please, continue to be great neighbors and upstanding citizens. Seek the truth and the Truth shall set you free. In the meantime, believe what you want but don’t taint my beliefs by association.

    • Eichendorff

      “It is very disrespectful of Mormons, or anyone else, to add and subtract from the essentials of the Christian faith and still claim to be Christians.”

      Of course, Martin Luther and others added and subtracted from Catholicism. Otherwise, there was no point to the Reformation. So, if you exclude Mormons from “orthodox Christianity” on that basis, then really you have to exclude yourself as well.

      There is no denigration of Christ or his gospel in Mormonism. The main thrust of our faith is that it is a restoration of the original church and gospel that Jesus established during his mortal lifetime.

      ““Biblical Christianity” which is over 2,000 years old, has never been refuted by archaeology, history or DNA evidence.”

      Neither is it supported. There is not one shred of historical, archaeological, or DNA evidence to support the existence of any of the characters or events described in the Bible outside of the Bible itself. Not a single one.

      “In the meantime, believe what you want but don’t taint my beliefs by association.”

      LDS beliefs do not taint anything. Members of the Church are perfectly happy to be described as non-orthodox or non-creedal Christians, but they will never consent to be described as non-Christians. Never.

      • Bob M

        Roman Catholicism isn’t and wasn’t the baseline for “Biblical” Christianity. The Reformers attempted to take it back to the Bible. Neither the Reformers nor the Catholics added their own full-blown correction of the Bible.

        You are absolutely wrong about historical and archaeological data to support the Bible. Dead Sea Scrolls, evidence of a Roman Governor Pilate, and the discovery of
        the Hittite culture are just a few of the archaeological evidences that have shut up skeptics and Bible critics. The history of early Christianity is well documented in secular and church sources. There is no way DNA can prove anything Biblical; I didn’t say it could. But it did prove that Mormonism couldn’t have happened the way Mormons claim. My point, which I believe you understood, is that Mormonism has been refuted on all counts (historical, archaeological, and DNA). And that’s all very recent history.

        You denigrate Jesus by: saying he was procreated and not eternally existent with the Father; saying that Jesus’ sacrificial death was not adequate atonement for man’s sins; by saying that we too can become gods. You denigrate Him most by building your belief system around a false prophet with the equivalent of 19th century magic glasses. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

        It’s not what you call yourself (or what I call you) that makes you what you are. And, who gets into heaven is not my decision. But I can tell you you might want to change your final answer.

  • noel

    While LDS want the larger Christian population to regard them as bono fido Christians they do not always accept other christians as such, Why do have missionaries sent around to these people? I have a friend, a knowledgeable Christian had the missionaries sent around to him. He politly listened to all the discussions , expressed his disagreements and showed no interest in changing.The lds neighbours no longer spoke to them, and their children no longer played with his children. My reasons for not voting for him would be his flipflopping , seems too wooden. Huntsman seems to come accross better. Martin Luther once said “It is better to be ruled by a wise infidel than a christian fool”

  • Marie

    This story is very sad on so many levels. It seems to me that maligning another candidate’s religious faith while touting a candidate’s Christianity to garner votes is a far more egregious example of “taking God’s name in vain” than what we have traditionally been taught. Please, let’s give up the religious component within the political arena. We’ve had too many examples of people who were identified as Christians who were not competent leaders.

  • John Smith

    Mormonism is not an orthodox Christian group. They are a heterodox, or heretical, profession of Christianity, for Mormonism rejects the doctrine of the Trinity and teach of a believer’s progression to Godhood. Thus, the gods presented in Mormonism are [is] not the God presented in the Bible. I suspect that, because of these doctrinal aberrations, that is what the pastor meant by his comments. He seems to define Mormonism as a different religion, all together, from Christianity (like Islam or Hinduism). Hence, his comments can be read to make no distinction between a Christian heretic and a follower of a separate (non-Christian) religion. He states elsewhere, that God is the Judge, as groups do not go to heaven in mass, but rather Heaven is reserved for individuals who put their faith in Christ. Keep in mind, Joseph Smith condemned Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians as ‘sectarians’ (and ‘abominations’) prior to his alleged revelation. The Baptist pastor’s comments are not bizzare, rather they beg greater definition.

    Doctrinal concerns having been stated, it should be stressed that orthodox Christians and Mormons share common conservative values in the political arena. I see many Mormons as good folks.

  • joseph smith

    Uuuuummmmm……Mormonism IS a cult! Any religion that adds to the holy bible (book of Mormon) is a cult. Rev 22:18. Pastor Jeffress is absolutely correct!


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