Arguments for the existence of God

I found this article on Christianity Today via the Dallas Morning News Religion blog. It’s a classical argument for the existence of God, done a bit better than most. Below is my comment for the DMN blog.

I find the Cosmological arguments compelling, the Teleological and Ontological arguments weak, and the Moral argument blatantly false. But mainly I’m left with the conclusion that if it takes logic this advanced and this nuanced to find God, then God either isn’t there or doesn’t particularly care if we find him or her.

I’m an engineer by training and by personality – I like facts, figures, details, and lots of rational linear logic. If I listened only to that part of me, I’d be an atheist, or at best an agnostic.

Go outside and sit quietly. Feel the sun on your back and the wind on your face. Look up at the night sky and let the moon and stars speak to you. Wade in the river, dance in the rain, walk in the ocean. Watch the miracle of birth and the mystery of death. Don’t try to explain everything, because we humans aren’t as smart as we like to think we are. Just listen.

That’s where I found God.

Am I wrong to refer to “God”? My fear is that if I say “Goddess” or “Goddess and God” the focus of the readers will be directed toward that and not the essence of the argument. I think that essence clearly does NOT refer to the old man with the long white beard, but I still wonder if I shouldn’t be more explicit with Pagan theology…

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  • I am drawn repeatedly to the “intelligent design” arguments used on both sides of the divide, here.

    As for your using “God,” that doesn’t stop me. I consider myself pretty forward-thinking, but I do indeed obsess over references to the goddess when I ought not to — even though I value the idea of a divine energy that is dual in nature. I think that might have to do with years and years of conservative Christian training to de-value the influence of the feminine.

    My dad in an engineer, too. And a religious man. He’s always said that science shows him that most of the universe is still unknown, unexplained and maybe even unknowable.

    What is the native saying? “Power is a river; Power is a rainstorm.”

    I, too, have those sorts of “encounters” in those sorts of settings. (And in the theatre during a good production of Tennessee Williams.

  • Sometimes in order to be listened too, and not just heard, it is necessary to use the language of the people you are speaking to. Otherwise they focus on who is speaking (i.e. a pagan) and not on what they are saying.

    Probably the only thing you could do to differentiate God (ie the Judeo-Christian/Islamic monothestic idea) from a more inclusive idea is to not capitalize the g. Yet with modern blogging and such that might come across as either pretentious or simply lazy typing.

    So, my thought is that the argument itself is sound and was expressed in the way that the audience to which it was addressed would listen most.

    Well done.

  • Taylor

    I wonder that myself, which is why I often don't mess with God as a whole in paganism. I deal with the individual gods that have names, or if a name presents itself that I should use in that instance for God as a whole, then I'll use that.

    I believe that God exists, but I don't believe he exists as he says he does. For example, he wants us to believe he's the only god out there, and that is simply ridiculous, especially since he himself is descended from the Sumerian gods most likely.

    You were right though in that that article was done better than most. I liked it.

  • Taylor, you found an old one! 3-1/2 years later I'm much more of a hard polytheist than I was when I wrote this.

    I still struggle to communicate that The Divine is more than a composite of a few tribal desert gods to people who've never considered any other concept.