Medjugorje: An Alternate Perspective

In recent days there have been many harsh words written about the alleged Marian apparitions at Medjugorje. 

Howard Kainz, Marquette University professor emeritus, wrote a critical article published June 29 in Crisis Magazine about an invitation he received to attend five apparitions with Medjugorje visionary Marija Pavlovic Lunetti.  The apparitions are slated to occur at the 2012 gathering at the Tabernacle of our Lady’s Messages at Caritas, in Birmingham, Alabama, between July 1 and 5.

Kainz reported that

“…the Caritas group, however, is considered schismatic by the visionaries and priests at the pilgrimage center, in a part of what used to be Yugoslavia. On the “official” Medjugorje website we are warned that Caritas of Birmingham is a cult, something like a religious business, not approved….  But one of the visionaries, Marija, still comes regularly to Caritas in Birmingham, contributing to a local, in-house schism of an international cult that bespeaks a larger and ongoing schism with orthodox Catholicism.”

Kainz goes on to call the anticipated apparitions at Caritas “not just heterodox, but heretical.” 

“Jesus told us to judge trees by their ‘fruits’,”  Kainz finishes.  “In Medjugorje, numerous conversions have been reported, Catholics returning to the sacraments after many years, etc. But the main fruit, and the fruit closest to the heart of the devil, has been disobedience.”

Kainz’ article has been widely linked and reprinted:  on Deacon Greg Kandra’s blog, on Al Kresta’s blog, on New Advent and Pewsitter and more.

Mark Shea has pulled no punches in condemning the apparitions.  He writes,

Medj is a fraud. Those who believe in it had been start asking themselves now whether they are going to trust the Church or this fake “vision” when Rome finds–as it will–that the local ordinaries are right to say that nothing supernatural is occurring there.

There are, indeed, reasons to proceed with extreme caution: 

  1. The local ordinary, Bishop Ratko Perić, bishop of Mostar, believes the apparitions to be untrue, explaining, “The numerous absurd messages, lies, falsehoods and disobedience associated from the beginning with the events and “apparitions” of Medjugorje, all refute every claim of authenticity.”
  2. In July 2009 Father Tomislav Vlasic, who played a prominent role in promoting and publicizing of the apparitions, was defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI, following accusations of sexual misconduct, and accusations of exaggeration or fabrication of the visions.
  3. The apparitions which began in June 1981 have been irregular:  The visionary Marija Lunetti (Pavlović), one of the six visionaries who claim to see the Virgin Mary at Medjugorje, receives messages on the twenty-fifth of every month, while Mirjana Soldo (Dragičević) reports that she receives messages on the second of the month.  Others have now received all of the “secrets” and so do not see the Virgin regularly.
  4. Unlike many other Marian apparitions, the apparitions to Medjugorje’s six visionaries do not always occur at the same location.  So it is that Ivan Dragicevic could travel in the United States, experiencing an apparition at the appointed time but in a different chapel.

 

Our Lady of Peace – Medjugorje

Yet there are reasons to hope that the “Gospa” (Croatian for “The Lady”) may, indeed, be offering her blessing and her wisdom to the world, even in this age. 

For one thing, Mary’s messages, some claim, are clearly consistent with her messages at Fatima or at other “approved” apparitions.  Her purpose is to call people to prayer, and to point them toward her son Jesus.

Many of the 30 million pilgrims who have traveled to Medjugorje, in the scenic mountain region of Mostar, have reported unusual visual phenomena. They claim to have seen the sun spinning in the sky or changing colors.  Some visitors have seen figures around the sun, such as a ring of crosses.  Some have claimed that their rosaries, brass or worn before the visit, turned to shiny gold in the blazing sun during an apparition.

The visionaries attest to the effect that the apparitions have had in their own lives.  Said Ivan Dragicevic,

The apparitions have made a big difference in my life – the difference between heaven and earth. For example, I arrange my day now so that even during the day I find time to pray. Before, my life had no meaning. Now, I’m filled with inner contentment. The first time I saw Our Lady, a change occurred in my soul, and in my heart. Before, I often avoided prayer, but now the difference is so great, I really can’t describe it. I’m confident and not afraid, because I know who leads me, and therefore, I’m not afraid of death. People in our parish, and all people, should feel that way.”

CONFUSED?  The answer is coming.  The Holy See, after receiving many reports, both positive and negative, announced in March 2010 that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had convened an investigative commission to study the phenomenon.  Under the leadership of Cardinal Camillo Ruini, this body of bishops, theologians, and other experts is expected to report any findings to the CDF, which will then judge whether the apparitions are worthy of belief.

*     *     *     *     *

AND ME?  I thought I would pop in here and offer some observations of my own, based on my very limited personal experience.  I was in attendance at two alleged apparitions about a decade ago—not in Bosnia-Herzegovina, but right here in the U.S., in New Orleans.

BUT FIRST, I thought I would remind you that it doesn’t really matter what I think.  Eventually, after long and careful investigation, the Catholic Church will rule on whether this particular spiritual phenomena is “worthy of belief.” When that happens, I will follow the clear teaching of the Church.

AND SECOND, I thought I would remind you that even if the Church approves the apparitions (which Mark Shea deems an impossibility), you are under no obligation to believe them or to follow them or to read about them or to change your behavior or your devotional life because of them.­ The Catechism of the Catholic Church (section 67) explain it thus:

That’s because the Church teaches that the “deposit of faith”—the full teaching as relayed by Christ through His Apostles, has been remitted 2,000 years ago, and will not change.  Nothing can be added or subtracted.  Our understanding of Truth may deepen with a new experience; or it may be expressed in a different way through the words of a contemporary theologian. 

Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations.”

 I was planning a conference in New Orleans, and was doing a site visit in the “Big Easy” when I received a most unique invitation:

Medjugorje visionary Ivan Dragicevic

MY ENCOUNTER

Would I like to attend a Mass with Ivan Dragicevic, one of the Medjugorje visionaries?  

I was happy to accept; in fact, since my visit to the city (and Ivan’s) continued, I was privileged to be present for not just one, but two apparitions.  This is my report.

On the first evening, Ivan sat in the front pew of the packed church, the guest of honor for a private organization’s dinner.  He did not speak; but after Mass, a prie-dieu was brought forth and placed before the altar.  Ivan came forward and knelt at the prie-dieu.

For a few minutes, nothing happened.  We sang a few hymns, said a few prayers.  Then, Ivan’s countenance changed.  He looked ahead, upward, enthusiastically.  For perhaps ten minutes, as the congregation knelt in silence, Ivan listened and whispered to the unseen visitor.

When it was over, Ivan crossed himself, then walked over to a microphone where he recounted the Virgin’s message for all to hear.  She had asked for a recommitment to prayer and fasting, talked about her Son’s love for His people.  She spoke kindly, warmly, like a doting mother encouraging her children.  It was too long ago, and I can no longer repeat entire sentences; but I was drawn at the time back to my childhood, back to a dog-eared book I’d owned (and read often) on “Our Lady of Fatima”—a monthly feature from the Catholic Youth Book Club.  It was as though I was hearing those messages which I’d read so often, now voiced by Ivan.

The following day, I was again invited to attend the apparition.  This time, the group was much smaller and we had Mass in a small chapel adjacent to the parish church.  We—perhaps 30 men, women and children—sat crowded in a circle in the small worship space, pushed together onto benches, chairs, steps.  Some were only a few feet from the altar where Mass was celebrated.

After Mass, again Ivan came forward.  Again we waited in silence and prayer—this time for a little longer, almost fifteen minutes.  And then she came.

Ivan’s countenance softened, and he began praying, talking, especially listening.  The room was hushed as we gazed upon Ivan, and Ivan gazed upon the woman.

Again, when it was over, Ivan stood and repeated the Gospa’s message.  This time, he said, she had been accompanied by the Archangel Michael. As Ivan pointed to where the armed angel had stood, I saw only furniture, a wall, even a person in the space.  Clearly, St. Michael was not troubled by the narrow quarters.

As before, the message was full of love—no, LOVE, all in capitals, love outreaching and  overflowing and covering us all.  And it was full of joy.  And hope.  And encouragement.  And most of all, the LOVE.

MY REFLECTION?  The master apologist C.S. Lewis, in his radio talk, presents what has been called the “Trilemma”:  the trifurcate phrase “Liar, Lunatic, or Lord.”  Lewis calls on his listeners (or readers) to make a decision about Christ:  Which of these was He?  Lewis’ argument is that Jesus claimed to be God; and if Jesus made such a preposterous claim, then one of three things was true:

  1. Jesus was a Liar—lying about His identity (which is morally reprehensible); or
  2. Jesus was deluded into believing that He was God, which would make him a raving madman (whom nobody would respect as a teacher). If that were the case, He couldn’t have been a great moral teacher.  Or,
  3. Jesus is what He says He is:  Jesus is Lord.  This is the only satisfying answer.

I found myself asking the same question that day, listening to Ivan. 

I was convinced beyond measure that Ivan was not a liar.  He did not have the flim-flam smoothness of a magician; rather, he was low-key and direct.  He may have been wrong, I reasoned; but I watched, I sensed, and I could not believe he was lying.  No, Ivan truly believed the story he was telling us, believed it more than I believed the sky was blue.  He was not a liar.

A second part of that “liar” question concerns financial impropriety.  I believe that Ivan did not benefit financially from his claim.  He supported his family, to be sure; but the largesse of the faith community gathered there was directed toward building a church, a shrine, a medical clinic at Medjugorje, and not toward Ivan himself.

Ivan was not a madman.  I watched as he blessed a small child, as he touched the shoulder of an older woman.  He’d never met them, yet he LOVED them with the love of Christ.  I’ve had that feeling, of being in the presence of a saint, a truly holy person, before in my lifetime—but not often.  He shook our hands, each of us, and although we just met, he loved me and he made me love him.

The last question doesn’t exactly apply.  Ivan is not Lord, nor does he claim to be.  What he claimed, though—that by some unimagined grace, he’d been chosen to bear a message from the heavenly realm—seemed the only logical answer to the searing question we all asked.

Do I believe in Medjugorje?  I await Rome’s ruling; but I stand much closer to the “Yes” pole in the continuum than Howard Kainz, closer than Mark Shea, because of the things I saw and heard that week in New Orleans.

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  • Edward Baker

    The mother of God is not a clown as she has been presented
    by these phonies at various times. She does not predict sports scores. She does
    not believe that all religions are the same. She does not make deals with the
    devil to perform a guest appearance. She does not claim that if the town drunk
    had not thrown a bloody handkerchief into the river the world would have ended.
    She does not side with Luther and claim that we have no need for intermediaries
    like priests. She does not insult the local bishops. She does not approve of
    the sin of pride in wanting rosaries to turn to gold.

    But Gospa has promoted of these idiocies and more. By the way,
    you might want to consider the significance of Ivan having said a couple of
    decades ago, in a rare slip of honesty, that he’s not sure what he is seeing.

    • Honesty777

      Why do you Lie?

    • Honesty777

      My 3 year old daughter and my Rosaries turned gold ..Wake up your not Mary! How is rosaries turning gold a sin of pride? We hadn’t a clue it would happen never even thought about it and simply thanked her for the grace!

      • Edward J Baker

        I said wanting rosaries to turn to gold is a sin of pride. There is no grace at all in ostantatious clownishness. There is only insult to the Mother of God in treating her as a clown by claiming this falsehood about her.

      • Christine Niles

        The devil can ape such mystical phenomena. It means nothing.

  • Honesty777

    I have been to Caritas last July 1st through 6th,First of all Marija barley speaks English. The people who live there are very Traditional Catholics and make a living with there own hands and a lot of very hard work. They are not a cult they are more Catholic then most of us.Most Bishops in America are Masons and Communist’s driving around in Limo’s and many have body gaurd’s,Destroying our faith they lied about what Pope John Paul 2 said when they said he said we can now have Alter Girls. He never said that at all. Alter girls and Eucharistic Ministers,Pope Benedict XVl read his Letter and it said” Alter Girls can only be used where boys can’t be found . Eucharistic Ministers are extra ordinary Eucharistic Ministers that can only be used when a Priest can’t be found..They can go to the Home bound and those in the Hospital but only when there is no Priest and they can’t be in the Church at all giving out Communion as the Priest is there..Our Bishops Lied to all Americans.After Pope Benedict read Blessed Pope John Paul 2’s letter i went to a Priest and he said ” It is a Veil of tears a Veil of tears”..He also agreed the Bishops lied to us. Come August the Bishops have done nothing to stop us from paying for Abortion ,Sterilization, Birth Control,and Abortion inducing drugs. So we as Catholics can’t put any money in the Baskets because it will go for this and we can’t have innocent blood on our hands when we meet our maker. Most American Cardinals and Bishops bottom line is Money!
    That Bishop in Alabama is only concerned about Money ..because there isn’t anything to approve of or disapprove of at Caritas. They are Catholics living and working together. Priest do go there too, also remember Lasalette Messages Cardinals against Cardinals Bishop’s against Bishop’s Priest’s against Priest’s.”Many of the Clergy are heading for Perdition and taking their Flocks with them” That is what Mary said and that is approved by the Church! Bishop’s will have to figure out some other way to have health care as most of us don’t have it either. Come August many of us have to stop giving to our Churches..Because insurance isn’t free Obama is a Liar and we aren’t paying for it but then our Bishop robbed the seminary fund and said we needed to put it back so he wouldn’t have to take out a bank loan..He never told us what he had to steal our money for just that we needed to put it back..I think not!!! These Bishop’s live like kings..Not one Apparition has ever been approved in America but the one in the Kentucky,Ohio,Indiana area rivals the Vatican and still no Bishop approves it even though everything Our Holy Mother said has come to pass there! Bishop’s have too much power they act like miniature Popes! Medjugorje is real as real as Saint Josephs Church in Cold springs Kentucky,the Holy Spirit Center in Norwood Ohio, and the Immaculata church in Cincinnati is real.For those who believe no explanation is necessary . For those who don’t believe no explanation will ever be enough!

    • john konnor

      …to take thomas aquinas’s famous words and fallaciously quote them out of context is of course expected according to the character of the spirit of medjugorje where white is black.. “For those with faith, no evidence is necessary; for those without it, no evidence will suffice.”-thomas aquinas…he was referring to faith not presumption…to believe in medjugorje when the church has not made a prouncement and to flout the authority of the local bishop is arrogant and an insult to Jesus who established apostolic succession through the great commission…so we see that the fruits of medjugorje are to attend eucharist expecting a tender and loving encounter with Jesus with the intention of strengthening the communion of the church ..however in the meantime you hate on the bishops who are the spiritual shepherds which indeed damages unity within the church…obedience is penance for the reason and helps conform us to God’s will mortifying our own…that is why we have bishops in the first place..if the bishop is not exhorting us to sin and acting within his proper tenure then we have no reason to disobey..as we see happening in medjugorje….it doesn’t make sense how someone can be so spiritually complacent as to think they can love two masters..namely themselves and Jesus at the same time..this is where a house divided against itself cannot stand…the house itself taken symbollically is our soul…either they follow Jesus and what he tells us through the church..or they do as they want…what we have in medjugorje are thousands of protestants who by a combination of the permissive and perfect will of God have been baptized into the catholic church …and we are all ardently praying that they apologize to the local bishop and fall into communion with the true church before the cult of personality cracks and splits the church any further…indeed a chastisement for our sins…we dont need to wait for any chastisement since the phenomenon of medjugorje itself ..IS…the chastisement or the test to see who loves God for the sake of self-sacrifice and who loves God for consolation and a great reward…just a thought thanks… :-)

  • Honesty777

    Ivan as the rest of them have had Scientific studies done some of which were blasting decimals in thier ears so high there ear drums should have burst..pricked with pins and dirt put in thier eyes..Burned with cigarettes and science says we know they are normal. They say they are seeing and hearing something and it’s like they are outside of time..Now take it up with Science!!!

    • Edward J Baker

      If you believe these “studies” ever occurred, there is still a bridge in Brooklyn up for sale.

  • Edward J Baker

    Your understanding is false. The bishops caught the “visionaries” in numerous lies in personal interviews.

  • Edward J Baker

    So the pro-abortion Gospa (“all religions are the same” implying pro-abortion religions are “just lile” the Catholic religion) is in conformity to Catholic teaching?

  • john konnor
  • Francis McGonigal

    “She had asked for a recommitment to prayer and fasting, talked about her Son’s love for His people.”

    All religions pray and many of them fast. Christians already know that Jesus loves them. Do we really need Our Lady to appear in person thousands of times to affirm all this? What would be valuable is something profound and verifiable within reasonable time. This has been dragging on for three decades and it is time it was settled one way or the other. Whichever way it goes there will be many Catholics (on both sides) who will have their faith sorely tested. But prolonged procrastination will just delay the inevitable.

  • jim

    Great and balanced argument Kathy. I have been studying Medj a little and it is quite amazing the amount of rhetoric and accusation that are flying about on the web. I have never seen anything like it. It is like a war.. the water is too cloudy and the victim is truth again
    your explanation took me a step close to believing as well because what you say rings true. There is of course the history lesson of Kibeho and Rwanda. Let us all not wait till the church makes her pronouncement to change our behavior’s remembering that a big part of the church’s reason for approval was the accurate prophesy of holocaust. Must we wait till the secrets come to pass before we change?

    • Christine Niles

      Letter dated Oct. 2013, from Cdl. Vigano, Apostolic Nuncio, on behalf of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, regarding Medjugorje:

      “[T]he Congregation [of the Doctrine of the Faith] has affirmed that, with
      regard to the credibility of the ‘apparitions’ in question, all should
      accept the declaration, dated 10 April 1991, from the Bishops of the
      former Republic of Yugoslavia, which asserts: ‘On the basis of the
      research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were
      apparitions or supernatural revelations.’ [Non constat de
      supernaturalitate] It follows, therefore, that clerics and the faithful
      are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public
      celebrations during which the credibility of such ‘apparitions’ would be
      taken for granted.”

      Catholics shouldn’t even be attending these public sessions with Ivan, and he is in disobedience for continuing to do so against the express wishes of his bishop.

      Regardless of all the conversions, the devil will do anything to promote disobedience. Wise Catholics would do well to stay far away from Medjugorje.

  • Mrs. Agnes Robinson

    I’ve been to Medjugorje 3 times , and if I could I would go ever year ; I can’t believe some of the comments that have been written below . Have any of them read Sister [ she was a Nun ] Anne Catherine Emmerich’s visionary book [ 4 volumes ] on ‘the Life of Jesus Christ’ ; especially his passion and the abominable treatment and unspeakable atrocities and violations he received at the hands of Pharisees , the soldiers , the executioners and the baying mob , some of which the Pharisees paid to incite the crowd ? It’s an eye opener , and there is information in there which is not in the Catholic bible . The Visionaries of Medjugorje are living saints , and , probably not in my time , they will one day , probably long after their deaths , be declared as deceased Saints !
    So many extraordinary things happened for me in Medjugorje and continue to do so since ! The latest message I have had this week came after I said the part of the catholic creed …”you ascended into heaven where you are seated at the right hand of the Father , the Almighty ; from thence you shall come to judge the living and the dead ” ; no sooner had I finished saying those words , when , I can only describe what happened next as a transfer of knowledge internally , a bit like mental telepathy , and I was given the following words internally to describe the message …”woe to this world and all it’s people “. Holy Mary’s messages have been ignored by many ; she is our most sacred and eternal blessed Mother, Queen of heaven , all nations and Queen of Peace . The Pharisees , who were supposed to be representing God our Father , never listened to his most sacred and divine son – Holy Jesus ; and this is being repeated today by those who should know better ; there is a prayer called ‘Why do you ignore my Mother’ ; he is sending her into this world and speaking to us through his Blessed Mother and through these Visionaries ; the world needs to sit up and really listen !

    • Eimeara Volodchenko

      Living saints- yeah right. They are anything but. A bunch of show offs and crooks more likely. Sure the world needs to sit up and listen – but not to Medjugorje – Fatima instead.

  • Pmpc Australia
  • Harry

    The “Apparitions” were a means of a cover-up to hide the Serbian Holocaust by Roman Catholics!

    During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, Catholic priests and Muslim clerics were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens – 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, the Croatian Ustasha and Muslim fundamentalists were openly supported by the Vatican,
    the Archbishop of Zagreb Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac (1898-1960), and the
    Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. Many of the victims of the Pavelic regime in Croatia were killed in the war’s third largest death camp – Jasenovac, where over 200,000 people – mainly Orthodox Serbs met their deaths. Some 240,000 were “rebaptized” into the Catholic faith by fundamentalist Clerics in “the Catholic Kingdom of Croatia” as part of the policy to “kill a third, deport a third, convert a third” of Yugoslavia’s Serbs, Jews and
    Roma in wartime Bosnia and Croatia (The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimar Dedijer, Anriman-Verlag, Freiburg, Germany, 1988).

    On April 6th 1941, Nazi Germany invaded Yugoslavia. By April 10th, Croatian
    fascists led by Ante Pavelic were allowed by Hitler and his ally Mussolini to
    set up a “independent” puppet state of Croatia. Hitler granted “Aryan” status to Croatia as his fascist allies carved up Yugoslavia.

    Pavelic had been awaiting these developments whilst under the auspices of
    Mussolini in Italy who had granted them the use of remote training camps on a Aeolian island and access to a propaganda station Radio Bari for broadcasts across the Adriatic. As soon as the new fascist state of Croatia was born, and campaign of cold-blooded terror began.

  • Christine Niles

    Letter dated Oct. 2013, from Cdl. Vigano, Apostolic Nuncio, on behalf
    of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, regarding
    Medjugorje:

    “[T]he Congregation [of the Doctrine of the Faith] has affirmed that, with
    regard to the credibility of the ‘apparitions’ in question, all should
    accept the declaration, dated 10 April 1991, from the Bishops of the
    former Republic of Yugoslavia, which asserts: ‘On the basis of the
    research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were
    apparitions or supernatural revelations.’ [Non constat de
    supernaturalitate] It follows, therefore, that clerics and the faithful
    are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public
    celebrations during which the credibility of such ‘apparitions’ would be
    taken for granted.”

    Catholics shouldn’t even be attending these public sessions with
    Ivan, and he is in disobedience for continuing to do so against the
    express wishes of his bishop.

    Regardless of all the conversions, the devil will do anything to
    promote disobedience. Wise Catholics would do well to stay far away from
    Medjugorje.

  • Christine Niles
  • anniefitz

    Hmmm, a well known catholic blogger gets an exclusive invite to attend a Mass complete with “apparition” with a “visionary..” Can we imagine Bernadette Soubirous or Jacinta, Francesco and Lucia Marto inviting specific media workers to sit close to them during the apparitions of Our Lady? You have the goodness and integrity to frame your personal response with facts and also objections to the apparitions. Fr. John Hardon was right, genuine apparitions never need to sell themselves. Every pilgrim is urged to “sell” Medjugorje and get people to go on pilgrimage there. It was hinted that it “would be too late” if I didn’t go soon to Medjugorje, that I would lose graces.

    I have been to Rue De Bac, Fatima, Lourdes and Knock. I have never heard of anyone’s rosary beads turning to gold at the sites of Church approved apparitions. It doesn’t happen. The only place I’ve heard that happening is Medjugorje and Bayside. Bayside was condemned by the Church. Can you really imagine cardinals in the commission pouring over gold tinted rosary chains going “Wow, finally proof!!!” There is no sign , all the fruit, all the vocations all the conversions and still no sign. Looks like the Church isn’t prepared to wait around for it anymore. When a “visionary” stands around blowing kisses to the crowd over and over like Maria Callas at final curtain call something is not right in Kansas.
    P.s Did I just read that someone’s three year old turned to gold in Medjugorje?

    • kathyschiffer

      Your comment made me smile, Annie. I was not a blogger at all at the time I attended this Mass, and was certainly not well known! I was in town planning a conference for a Catholic organization, and the masses I mentioned were intended to be private, for a close-knit group of the faithful. It was an honor that I was invited to join them.

      I tend to agree that since the time I published this article more than two years ago, the Church seems to be moving away from the apparitions there. Then again, Pope Francis has been photographed a few times recently with a Medjugorje statue–so who knows? God’s will be done.

      • anniefitz

        Thank you Kathy for providing context and correcting my assumption. I do think you are very good and fair minded when you write about this topic. Apologies for being a dog with a bone but you were a catholic conference organiser at the time therefore an influential contact with obvious talent and skills.
        I too was present for an “apparition” afterwards I learned that the Bishop of Mostar forbade the visionaries from having “apparitions” in public. Every “apparition” is an act of disobedience on the part of the “visionaries.”
        Our lady always uses courtly, elevated language in genuine apparitions. The messages of Fatima especially the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary are spiritual instructions from the Mother of God. They’ve been eclipsed by the monthly/ weekly/ daily messages in Medjugorje. I had the great blessing of going to Fatima three weeks ago. There is an exhibition there of the original handwritten documents of Sr. Lucia on the apparitions including the interrogations by various clergy. The message of Fatima needs to be amplified. Thank you for your time and patience. A.

  • Rita

    I’m very saddened by the poor souls who believe in this hoax and will pray for their souls.
    “:The local ordinary, Bishop Ratko Perić, bishop of Mostar, believes the apparitions to be untrue, explaining, “The
    numerous absurd messages, lies, falsehoods and disobedience associated
    from the beginning with the events and “apparitions” of Medjugorje, all
    refute every claim of authenticity.”
    In July 2009 Father
    Tomislav Vlasic, who played a prominent role in promoting and
    publicizing of the apparitions, was defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI,
    following accusations of sexual misconduct, and accusations of
    exaggeration or fabrication of the visions.” Satan sure is getting ‘smart’ these days. Did u not read that the alleged “gospa” turned into satan at one of the apparition gatherings….revealling its true form during intense prayers by those gathered…many devout catholics thinking that the phenomenon was approved. “… in 1982, one of
    Mirjana’s expected visions of the Gospa turned out to be the devil,
    until it changed into the “Madonna”, apologizing and telling her that this
    was just a trial.”….umm ? trial for what? Our (real) Holy Mother would NEVER take on such a hideous and unholy form. Recall the entity always concludes (while many bowed before it ) …it says “thanks for having responded to my call”….Your souls are in grave danger for these acts of kneeling before a demon (God has given you the evidence by allowing u a split vision of its true form ~ The faithful whom have read the TRUE documentation by the local bishops investigating for the Vatican know this to be a hoax by the absurdity and inconsistancies and constant changing of stories when alleged visionaries were told “wait, dont forget u are under oath…yesterday u said something contrary to what u are saying now”…..Medj followers cease kneeling to this demon entity ~ u surely cannot believe that this is our sweet Holy Mother + in my prayers


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