Iraqi TV Host Breaks Down Crying Over ISIS Persecution of Christians

Islam is not a monolith. People like this (and ISIS is creating more of them every day) are the best hope the Church in Iraq has.

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  • Joseph

    This is much better and a ray of hope, however, where are the *leaders* of the many sects of Islam in the countries persecuting Christians? Words are nice, but they don’t mean a thing when they aren’t backed with action. As I stated before, if the KKK decided to make Mississippi a KKK-only state and started a black and Catholic killing spree, it wouldn’t take long for Americans to handle the problem.
    If the Westboro Baptist Church started executing people, it wouldn’t take long for them to be quashed.
    Why on Earth has there been so little resistance to ISIS in Muslim nations? And don’t say, ‘well, the Kurds are fighting’. They have motives *in addition* to protecting the fleeing Christians flooding into their territory.

    • Dave G.

      Because Islam is not a monolith. That door swings both ways.

      • Joseph

        Right… I got the point in the first sentence of Mark’s post, but thanks for reiterating it. The door does swing both ways… but… if the same issue were to happen in the States with some wayward Christian sect, other Christian groups withing the country would be quick to denounce them and swift to respond… which was my point that continually gets ignored by the innocent Muslim apologist team.
        This man’s tears are regret are welcome, meanwhile the autrocities continue and all we hear are cries of “why isn’t the US doing something?”, cries that are a bit misplaced in the sense that the host countries should be responding first and foremost… but they aren’t… which says a lot.

        • Andy

          I am not so sure that in America we would see swift denunciation and “taking care” of people/groups who commit atrocities. I fear that in our zeal to be pure we fall into the enemy of my enemy is my friend so we start to overlook incendiary comments and actions.

          • Dave G.

            I think that’s more true recently than in years past.

            • Andy

              I agree maybe 15 or so years this has become the issue

              • Dave G.

                Not that I disagree with Joseph entirely. I think Americans are still, on the whole, a giving lot. But partisanship is beginning to erode that. I got my first splash in the face with that reality during Hurricane Katrina. Bodies were still floating in the water when people were pointing fingers and trying to score points. It used to be that would happen, but there was a sort of ‘wait for a respectable time’ before the pundits took center stage. That’s less true today, as this and other recent events demonstrate.

                • Andy

                  That is what I am trying to say – times have chained – I have no issue with Joseph’s take on the Muslim response – we have become in America far to divided and really fear for the America I grew up in when I was younger – our punditacracy has reduced our basic inclination to I’ve.

                • Joseph

                  Katrina was a natural disaster. It was repulsive the way *the government* reacted initially. However, I had quite a few friends who wen t down to New Orleans and supported the people down there for months in the aftermath. Reports from them was that there were large groups of ordinary citizens just like them helping as well. Initially, they were blocked because the government was still operating… it was a botched operation but they were *operating*. For the sake of all of those Americans who actually travelled to NO from all over the country to help (and they had nothing to gain by it) I hope you’ll at least tone down the accusation that Katrina is an example of American inaction to a local humanitarian crisis. Also considering there *was* ample national outcry and media coverage. But that’s about all I’ll say about Katrina because it was a natural disaster and *not* a man made crisis led by barbarians literally slaughtering hundreds/thousands of people like animals in public on religious grounds… while it goes relatively unnoticed and is unspoken by the people living there… a supposed religion of peace. Even Katrina’s botched response was *a* response.

          • Joseph

            Ok. So if the KKK sprang up again to create KKK country in Mississippi, you don’t think Americans wouldn’t come to the aid of the oppressed right away. Wow. You guys are totally doing everything you can to defend the convenient silence of the Muslim community in their own countries. Awesome.

            • Heather

              Again, it’s only convenient silence if you conveniently ignore all the (huge number of) Muslims who ARE opposing ISIS, as jroberts548 pointed out in a comment farther up the thread.

              Ordinary people aren’t rising up in collective outrage because they are too scared and war-weary.

              • Joseph

                I’m not ignoring them. They’re motives are not entirely to *save the poor Christians*. As for the small handful of Muslim neighbours who actually did sacrifice themselves in an attempt to save their Christian friends, I owe them pure respect. But it is a tiny handful. And this terror is a Muslim terror in Muslim nations… Muslims who apparently don’t truly follow Islam as stated by the majority allowing them to perpetrate these atrocities in Muhammad and Allah’s name.

              • Joseph

                Huge… like a very small amount huge. And their motives are all to *save the innocent Christians*, right? I will eat my words and beg forgiveness when the Muslim world does more than say *we aren’t them and they aren’t us* and attempts to purge this scourge that so obviously taints the world’s view of their religion.

                • Ye Olde Statistician

                  Nor did the US go to war with the Nazis “all to *save innocent Jews.”

            • Andy

              Joe – I am not defending anyone – I am saying that in the recent past – last 15 or so years – Americans do not jump to support one another as readily as thy had. If you mean sending money or water – yeah they will leap- much beyond that not so much.

              • Joseph

                In my hypothetical they would…. guaranteed. .. and you know it. And my hypothetical is the nearest thing to the *real* events occurring in Muslim nations around the world… that go ignored by Muslims.

                • Andy

                  Your defensiveness is overwhelming – your hypothetical world is not any where near real – I spoke ofAmerica not the Muslim nations – please don’t conflate the two – and please don’t say you know it – that sort of comment means that you don’t want to have a conversation you merely want to rant.

                  • Joseph

                    Actually, I’m on the offensive. My hypothetical world is about the closest the US would come to something of this widespread abomination that is being allowed in Muslim countries. I don’t want the world to end up fighting these animals because their own people choose to ignore them. The Muslims claim that these people are not their people. I’m saying I’ll believe them the minute they show that they mean it and do something about it. It’s a fair challenge, not so sure why there are so many people who think that the lives a few several thousand innocent Christians at the hand of the people who swear the the same God does not offer the perfect opportunity for them to prove it. If they don’t then what? You think the world should clean up the mess they’re making? They don’t want us to. And at the same time they don’t want to do anything but talk and shed tears on camera. What do you suggest? The best course of action is for the silent majority (except on television and on forums) to actually do something about the problem occurring in thekr own lands by their own people… and all of you know it. Yet you defend their inaction. The question is, what do *you* want, not me. I’ve made myself abundantly clear.

                    • Andy

                      Lets go through this

                      1. You say if something like ISIS happened in the US that Americans would jump to support the oppressed.

                      2. My response was that I don’t believe you are correct

                      3. Your response – “You guys are totally doing everything you can to defend the convenient silence of the Muslim community in their own countries.’

                      4. I never mentioned the Muslims, so I pointed that out and repeated my unfortunate belief

                      5. You moved to a hypothetical world that is real and that I know it

                      6. My response you are defensive and into arrant

                      7. You then launch into this tira=de about vein on the offense – and that these people are animals, that what should the y do – is it up to the world to clean up the mess they are making. They don’t want us to and so on and then you end with ” Yet you defend their inaction.”

                      8. I have defended no inaction – I have made no comments on or about the Muslims. As I said you want to rant without responding to what I said. have a good day

                    • Joseph

                      Dude, Andy… come on, if the unjust murder of one guy who just broke the law generates protests, some violent, and loud public outcry that is heard around the world (I live somewhere in Europe), you’re saying you don’t think a citizenry armed to the teeth aren’t going to go out ISIS hunting if something like them popped up in the same country chopping heads off men, women (after publicly raping them), and children, crucifying innocents in the park, executing lines of captives gleefully and filming it all for their fans on YouTube?

                      Seriously? So, the nearest real world event I can think of would be either Nazi Germany, Bolshevik Russia, Maoist China… but I don’t think what happened in Germany was exactly backed by 300 million maniacs in solidarity wearing Nazi uniforms. And I’m pretty sure the German people were largely ignorant of what the Nazis were actually doing. The Muslim world has no claim to the same ignorance. It’s happening on their soil. Well, I don’t know how much longer I can keep this up. I think you internet armchair Muslim apologists are going to defeat me through attrition.

                      I’m sure someone out there agrees with me. Wanna take over?

                    • Andy

                      Joe – I guess you missed the reading is fundamental part of the world – I never mentioned Muslims, I never supported them, marvelous the way you worked in Nazis – please learn to read – my comment was about AMerica and nothing else.

                    • Joseph

                      This happens to be a post with a Muslim man as its content, tearing up over the effect the extremist ISIS is having on his community. The thread is discussing the same with variants however sticking to the subject matter. You are attempting to contradict my comparison with how any other nation would react (nevermind *religion*), specifically Americans, should a massive band of caveman barbarians similar to the very large minority of violent and grotesque Muslims engage in those acts on American soil.
                      So, you haven’t mentioned Muslims by name, but all of the above taken into context seems to show that your contradicting me on a hypothetical (because that’s all that can be offered since the modern *civilised* world, used very loosely, post-WWII could not conceive of such barbarism) even given the backdrop of recent events with the poor soul Micheal Brown as a backdrop is really a misplaced defense of the silent in thought, word, and deed majority of Muslims though the events are happening on their soil, the events are widespread, and well reported… even the graphic images splashed all over YouTube to their bretherns delight. Imagine if YouTube existed during the Red Terror or the Nazi regime and the perpetrators of those crimes gleefully posted footage of them for all to see? That last question is sort of irrelevant, and I’m sure those other guys would have done the same as it appears the sick, servants of Satan take special pride in their handywork.

                    • Andy

                      I know that this tout for you but from your first post – the part I responded to Words are nice, but they don’t mean a thing when they aren’t backed with action. “As I stated before, if the KKK decided to make Mississippi a KKK-only state and started a black and Catholic killing spree, it wouldn’t take long for Americans to handle the problem.If the Westboro Baptist Church started executing people, it wouldn’t take long for them to be quashed.” So you want to make this about Muslims – fine – but you brought up America and how Americans would respond, not me. I haven’t contradicted your comments about Muslims – I disagreed with your statement about America. Please keep it straight – you mentioned America- responded about America. I haven’t mentioned Mike Brown, you did.
                      As you said this is a post about a Muslim man – not AMerica – but you brought America and Americans into the thread. You mention the Nazis. You are projecting with “So, you haven’t mentioned Muslims by name, but all of the above taken into context seems to show that your contradicting me on a hypothetical…” You are making an assumption and we all know the danger in that.

                    • Joseph

                      I didn’t mention Mike Brown either. Someone else did. I was summarising the thread. I said ‘with the backdrop of Michael Brown’, not ‘you brought up Mike Brown’. I brought up America to show that even a nation full of different religions and areligious people would still jump to the defense of a large group of innocent blacks/Catholics if the KKK up and decided to do the same thing that the Muslims are doing in their own countries.
                      Now, just to be clear. My argument doesn’t stand or fall on that hypothetical. The reality is that the so-called peaceful majority of Muslims which outnumber the very large violent minority 3 to 1 (300 million – around 20 – 25% is a significant minority, by the way, and makes it truly difficult to accept the argument that they are Muslims astray… a problem made more difficult by the silence and inaction of the other 75%) are not doing anything to *stop* the persecution of Christians and religious minorities in each and every one of what they consider their countries. So, attacking my hypothetical does not change the blatant reality.
                      AND… the Muslim persecution of Christians *is not* isolated in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt. The slaughter of Christians was completely ignored in Syria and passed off as conspiracy theories until a head of state, Putin, made it a topic. Then it received a speck of media coverage. The slaughter of Copts didn’t even get that… it was only covered in Catholic alternative media circles. The ongoing persecution of Catholics in Afghanistan gets no coverage at all. The *only* reason the most recent Catholic persecution in Iraq is getting coverage is because slaughtering Christians in public wasn’t enough to even get the *peaceful majority* in Iraq motivated to report it. So, they went to YouTube. A few alternative media sites picked up the displays of horror… word spread via alternative media… outcry began (outside of the host nations of course)… then *finally* the main stream media could no longer deny the existense of a genocide that has been ongoing since the 2003 Iraq invasion and still remain credible. And *finally* after several weeks of sanitised main stream media coverage, we have a Muslim crying on camera because he can’t buy sweetrolls at the Christian market that was decimated by others who share his faith that he knew we of long before that Kodak moment.
                      This guy couldn’t have possibly strolled through that market since 2003 and not been aware what was happening to the beloved part of his nation’s tapestry. It is impossible to believe that he only just discovered this when he woke up yesterday.

                    • Joseph

                      By comparison, the attack on Gaza received worldwide media coverage though the reality of that attack was an Iraeli force that had no qualms shooting, no, blowing to smithereens, the meat shield hostages/civilians that Hamas grabbed and held to their chest. There were even protests in Dublin for Gaza, even while the larger scale ethnic cleansing was taking place all around them.
                      Yes, there should have been that much outcry with the assault on a civilian populace allegedly held hostage by Hamas… but there should have also been outcry for the tens of thousands (totalling hundreds of thousands over the last decade) of Christians being systematically slaughtered by Muslims in their own countries. Not a peep until their own murderous co-religionists couldn’t keep themselves contained and took to YouTube. Even they were upset that their own *peaceful majority* were basically ignoring their handiwork!

        • Heather

          Well, for one thing, the United States is a reasonably stable state with a reasonably stable government. When the status quo is reasonably peaceful coexistence, it’s a lot easier to crack down on the violent nutjobs before they become a huge problem. Iraq has been a war-torn mess for years now. Most people under those circumstances just try to keep their heads down and hope that the nutjobs keep targeting people other than them. That’s not a Middle Eastern thing or a Muslim thing, that’s a human thing. There are always more collaborators than resistance heroes.

        • jroberts548

          If we’ve learned anything in the last 10 days, it’s that when a group of Americans kills and is otherwise violent toward minorities, the overwhelming majority of white people reflexively assume that the killing was justified, and that the killing didn’t even raise an issue concerning the treatment of minorities.

          • Joseph

            Ah! Thanks for bringing that up! So… there were no protests? No public display of outrage on the streets and in the news coverage? No resistance? Hmm… your point was.

            • jroberts548

              You’re criticizing Muslims for not condemning ISIS, even though the overwhelming majority of people who are fighting ISIS are Muslims. You’re also making the claim that if we saw a group of Americans engage in violence against minorities, we’d do something about it quickly.

              Your second claim is just false. There’s protests and public displays of outrage, but no action, and the vast majority of white people don’t think the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent reaction even raises an issue of race. http://www.people-press.org/2014/08/18/stark-racial-divisions-in-reactions-to-ferguson-police-shooting/

              Likewise, when our allies in Saudi Arabia start executing Shia clerics and their families, how many American leaders step up to condemn it?

              Why don’t you apply your same standard to White Americans? Why don’t you apply that standard to our politicians?

              • Joseph

                Yes. That’s why I’m criticising Muslims for precisely that reason. I happen to be a white Catholic who also is critical of law enforcement in the case you speak of which happens to be totally unrelated to the situation occurring in Muslim countries. You see there *are* massive protests and outcry across the US in the irrelevant case you keep bringing up for *one* man who actually did commit a crime (though his punishment was disproportionate). In the Middle East there’s, lets just say, not much ado about the *genocide* and bloody persecution of thousands of Christians happening all over the place. Just some tears shed by some TV anchor because he woke up one day to see the Christian market decimated.

                You also need a sense of proportion, it appears.

                • jroberts548

                  “In the Middle East there’s, lets just say, not much ado about the *genocide* and bloody persecution of thousands of Christians happening all over the place. Just some tears shed by some TV anchor because he woke up one day to see the Christian market decimated.”

                  But only because you’re not counting the Kurdish, Iraqi, and Syrian armies who are fighting ISIS, because you’re dishonest.

                  Everyone in the middle east who is in a position to fight ISIS would benefit from defeating ISIS. If you exclude everyone in the middle east who stands to gain from defeating ISIS, then of course there’s no one doing anything about ISIS. ISIS is bad for everyone except maybe ISIS; if you only count critics of ISIS who have any other reason to oppose ISIS, you’re excluding literally everyone but ISIS.

                  And there are large protests, but those protestors aren’t enjoying a lot of white support. Most people don’t even think the shooting and subsequent police response in Ferguson even raises an issue of race. Why not use that to stereotype all white people?

                  • Joseph

                    You mean you’re on the side of the Syrians now? Hmmm… that was a shift. It was just a few months ago that those in your circles were calling for Assads head (until it was inconveniently exposed that the forces fighting against him didn’t exactly help the rebel’s image… as they were… the same guys chopping off heads all over Muslim countries… and even then the reports were dismissed as conspiracy theories until Putin blew up Obama on stage). I’ve already mentioned the Kurds. What about the other several million Muslims that outnumber the so-called extremists 3 to 1 and have endless firepower and international support behind them? Supposedly there are *only* approximately 300 million so-called extremists chopping of heads, raping women, executing people, and generally persecuting everyone who doesn’t think like they do. It’s such a small minority. .. doesn’t reflect on Islam at all, right? Well, if it did one would assume the other Muslims would try to stamp them out and clear their religion’s name. Until then, should they be surprised when the white family in the UK cringes when they see a woman fully wrapped up except for a welding mask slit following 10 feet behind her overbearing husband? Do you think the negative profiling of Muslims may be somewhat justified? If not, then I’m willing to give them a chance to put their money where their mouth/crocodile tears are… and the events in *their own country* perpetrated by *their co-religionists* poses a perfect opportunity.

                    • jroberts548

                      As between Assad and ISIS, I’m on Assad’s side. I’ve always been opposed to intervention in Syria, unless it could end the war swiftly and not empower extremists. I’ve long held the position that our practice of limited support of the rebels was evil, even more evil than doing nothing, since it just prolonged the war.

                      Do you want Indonesia to send their navy to Mosul? What are you looking for exactly? Do you want Egypt, which is barely functioning, to invade iraq?

                      And I don’t know what this has to do with white people in the UK. I also don’t see how something happening in Iraq and Syria justifies condemning UK Muslims for failure to act *in their own country* (which is the UK).

                      What, precisely, are you looking for?

                    • Joseph

                      The Muslims in Egypt may have been too busy exterminating the Copts. Did you forget about that? How convenient.

                    • jroberts548

                      Three points:

                      You still won’t say what, precisely, you’re looking for.

                      There are Muslims backed by the Muslim Brotherhood who are or were attacking Copts. That is true. There are also a lot of other Egyptians, mostly Muslim, who have stood up for the Copts. I’m sure you have some totes legit reason they don’t count either.

                      And which Western power is it that continues to provide miltary aid to the Egyptian government, even while Copts are being persecuted? And why aren’t they speaking out against the persecution of the Copts by their own country?

                    • Ye Olde Statistician

                      Assad? Jeez, that would be like making an alliance with Stalin in order to defeat Hitler. Why would anyone do that?

          • AquinasMan

            Let’s step back from the fray. The towering Michael Brown had his hand gripped around the neck of that diminutive (minority) Indian shopkeeper, and could have well been perceived as threatening his life — And his family stands by their son — taken down by a cop — after strong-arm robbing a defenseless minority shop owner — as a victim of character assassination? Why aren’t southeast Asians out in the streets protesting black violence against shop owners?

            Michael Brown died under suspicious circumstances, but his documented actions make him a thief and a thug. This is only a race issue because the media has made it such. We don’t even have all of the facts. We’re straining for three different autopsies, cuz, well, they don’t fit the racist cop narrative … yet.

            If this cop took Michael Brown in cold blood, then throw the book at him. Until then, stop fanning the flames of race-baiting with 50% truth and 50% race hustling going on in the media. If it turns out this cop was justified, you’re going to need to repent of your rush to judgment. If it turns out he was a cold-blooded racist killer cop, then at least I waited for all the evidence to come out instead of running with the lynch mob.

            The problem is, facts screw up the narrative. The “Gentle Giant” was a thug — indisputable. The cop who shot him is a racist? Not knowable at this time. Not enough information to make that conclusion.

            • jroberts548

              1. If the shopkeeper had shot Mike Brown during or immediately after their confrontation, it arguably would have been justified. So? Assuming the shopkeeper reasonably believed that lethal force was necessary to prevent death or grievous bodily harm, how does that carry over to a cop who stopped Brown for jaywalking? It doesn’t, unless cops and shopkeepers have some sort of atemporal hive-mind.

              2. Brown was a thief and a thug. So? That has no relevance to whether the cop was justified in killing him. I don’t care if Brown killed and ate babies in his spare time. That’s not part of the test for self-defense.

              3. What’s relevant for our purposes here is that whenever a white cop murders an unarmed black man, the majority of Americans assume it was justified and don’t do anything about it. This was true when the cops in New York murdered Eric Garner. This was true when the cops murdered John Crawford inside a Wal-Mart for carrying around a toy rifle that is sold at Wal-Mart. This is also true when cops murder other minorities, or when they murder white kids for opening the door while playing video games. So while ISIS is being resisted by chiefly Muslim armies, Joseph here is whining that Muslims aren’t standing up against ISIS the same way we stand up to violence and oppression in America, even though we ignore violence and oppression when it’s done by our cops or by our allies.

              • AquinasMan

                If the evidence shows that Officer Wilson maliciously fired at Michael Brown, that still doesn’t prove it was an act of racism. You can say it does, but if this guy panicked and emptied his gun after getting his orbital socket fractured by Michael Brown, it doesn’t necessarily mean he did it because he was black.

                Are there racist cops? Hell yeah. It’s not proven here … yet. This guy, believe it or not, is innocent of racism until proven otherwise. If it looks like that’s the case, then the justice system should deal with it accordingly.

                • jroberts548

                  Fair enough. However, when an almost all white police force disproportionately stops Blacks, and sometimes shoots them, even if the individual cop wasn’t motivated by individual racism, it’s a racist killing. Sure, the cop himself could have been motivated by anything else, but race is still a factor.

              • Joseph

                So, because a large amount of white Americans assume Micheal Brown deserved it (assuming that statement is true in the first place… and I doubt it…), we should accept that the vast majority of Muslims do nothing to stop their very large minority of murderous Muslims from butchering completely innocent human beings. Wow. Do I need to point out how out of touch this reasoning is or do you just need a little time to figure it out yourself?

                • jroberts548

                  That’s not what I’m saying.

                  What I am saying is that Americans tolerate a great deal of injustice, even when performed by our own cops on our behalf. If I applied the same standard to white Americans such as myself as you apply against Muslims, I’d end up deciding that all white Americans are racist and pro-murder.

        • bob

          The fellow is weeping over the last few weeks action. Christians have lived under Jim Crow laws and worse for about 1400 years in that part of the world. Tears are cheap, let’s see if it comes with any change. The ” vast majority” of Muslims….Couldn’t care less.

        • Ye Olde Statistician

          It’s sorta like the Europeans asking “Where are the Americans?” from 1939 to 1942.

    • jroberts548

      Like the Sunni Muslim Kurds who are fighting ISIS? Like Assad, who is fighting ISIS? Like the other Sunni rebels in Syria, who are fighting ISIS? Even Al Qaeda is opposed to ISIS. There’s only a lack of Muslims standing up to ISIS if you dishonestly exclude all the Muslims who are fighting ISIS.

      • AquinasMan

        Please. Let’s not kid ourselves. My “enemy’s enemy is my friend” is only a temporary arrangement. Islam, as such, doesn’t give two sh*ts about the survival of Christianity. I salute the handful of prominent Muslims who’ve managed to shed a tear over crucified children. They are needles in the haystack.

        • jroberts548

          And Catholicism, as such, doesn’t give two shits about the survival of Islam. In fact, if every Muslim woke up tomorrow and asked to be baptized, it would be a great thing, and I doubt the Pope would cry over the end of an almost 1400 year old religion.

          If you want to comment about Islam as such, that’s fine. My point is that the people who are actually fighting ISIS are muslims, and it’s therefore stupid at best and dishonest at worst to whine and moan about the lack of Muslims condemning ISIS. Islam as such might not care about the survivival of Christianity as such, but there are lots of Muslims who are willing to fight and possibly die (and maybe even shed a tear, since that somehow counts as doing something) to resist ISIS and to protect Christian refugees.

          • AquinasMan

            Let’s not paint this as some altruistic response to the brutal martyrdom of Christians. This is sectarian violence, and Christians are in the way and being scapegoated by ISIS because it whets the appetite of radicalized young Muslims who can be recruited to their ranks.

            What people here are commenting on is the lack of any prominent moral authorities (not news anchors) in the Muslim world — heck, in the United States — raising a voice of condemnation, at least in the name of human decency. It’s going to become very clear (if it hasn’t already) that we are having a one-way conversation with Islam when it comes to the ecumenical movement. I don’t view it as a religion of peace, because the only people standing up and professing what Islam stands for are murdering children and beheading Christians on YouTube.

            • jroberts548

              http://lmgtfy.com/?q=muslims+condemning+ISIS

              But I’m sure none of those groups count either, for some reason that is totally valid, which you aren’t about to just make up for the sake of maintaining your claim that Muslims are condoning ISIS.

              • AquinasMan

                BAM! Nicely played. I stand corrected on that point.

          • Joseph

            Uh huh… proselytising is actually against the Catholic religion. Unlike another religion out there. If the entire Muslim world decided on their own to convert to Catholicism, of course the Catholic Church would rejoice. But the history of Islam wouldn’t be irradicated by the Catholc Church. So you’re obviously getting quite emotional with your retorts… probably because the obvious is burning your eyes.

            • jroberts548

              That wasn’t a retort to you. That was a response to Aquinasman’s claim that Islam, as such, doesn’t care about the survival of Christianity. Which is true, but trivial; the people actually fighting ISIS – i.e., the people protecting the Church in the middle east – are predominantly Muslim. What Islam as such cares about is less important than what actual Muslims are actually doing.

      • Joseph

        Ummm… you mean the Kurds who depend on looking favourable to the West, especially the US, in order to have any chance whatsoever of a Kurdistan (I have family and friends in certain foreign policy government positions who let me know about this a long time ago)? The same Kurds who see the obvious threat to their Kurdistan encroaching on their borders? Yeah. There’s a readon for everything. Whether their motives are true or not, I’m thankful for their lone intervention… but get real, bro.

        And you’re still sidestepping the hypothetical that is entirely obvious. Are you trying to make sure you don’t lose your invite to the *cool kids* club or something. If the Muslims respond *as they know they should* to the crisis led by their own brethren, then I’ll eat my words. But your laughable attempts at trying to win the Political Correctness gold medal for 2014 certainly won’t make me. Grow a sense of the obvious.

  • Mike Blackadder

    The problem that few seem to acknowledge is that the peaceful Muslim, the Muslim who are moved to help a Christian or stand up to radical Islam are the most HARSHLY persecuted at the hands of radical Islam. These people ARE the victims, and we put it on their shoulders to save Christians?

    Maybe yes, when peace is restored to Iraq. This is why the Iraqi people deserve the opportunity of a peaceful existence, an opportunity of reconciliation, and circumstances that are better than either ISIS or Saddam Hussein offer.

  • ivan_the_mad

    The bulk of the Kurdish people and its pesh merga are comprised of Sunni Muslims. The pesh merga defended these Christian and Yazidi villages north-east of Mosul for quite some time before withdrawing (mostly due to lack of ammunition), but managed to open a corridor to the Sinjar mountains to rescue 30,000 trapped Yazidi. They are now making substantial gains (e.g. Mosul dam) with US air support.

    I’d say a prayer for them. I think that they’re the most practical hope for safety and security for these minorities.

  • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

    Sadly they are the ONLY hope minorities in Iraq have.

  • Adolfo

    Don’t tell Barbara Nicolosi! It’ll ruin her narrative!


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