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  • Dave G.

    Truth be told, the reasons given suggest it is also a mental health issue. And we mustn’t forget those who are killed by other means. Kudos to CNN for having a series of reports a while back looking at the broader issues behind the violence. I think that is where to start if we want to decrease violence in our society.

    • Mark S. (not for Shea)

      Of course it’s a mental health issue. Which is why people with mental health issues shouldn’t have access to guns.

      • Dave G.

        That’s fine. How exactly would we define that? I’m fine with looking at that one solution for that one part of the problem. But it could need more than that.

        • Andy

          The first step is to destigmatize mental illness. We see mental illness not as an illness all too often, but as a dodge. We need to invest in better “counseling” services for young people; we need to put mental illness on insurance policies so folks can get support and most important we have to move away from seeing mental illness as trivial – anyone can be sad sort of idea.
          To reduce violence we have stop lionizing it – look at our political discourse – those we disagree with are the enemy, we need to “culture wars”, we need to lot this “terror – fill in your favorite thing” out, people who disagree are not Americans. We lionize violence in sports – football our favorite sport revels in the big hit. We televise it – look at the news and the majority of top rated television shows.

      • Mike Blackadder

        If a mental health disorder is causing someone to shoot others for the reasons given, then they ought to be locked in a room somewhere.

        • Leslie Strongcheese

          You can’t do that anymore.

          • Mike Blackadder

            Well you CAN, but for good reason there is a process involved. If a person is not allowed to own a gun because of their sociopathic ‘mental disorder’ then why would they be permitted to handle a straight razor, or to be near children who they could easily kill with their bare hands?

            I personally will tend towards opposition to ‘locking up’ or denying rights to folks on the basis of a ‘mental disorder’ unless there is a very good reason. This approach of vague standards for mental qualifications is not unlike what Eugenicists were preaching 80 years ago.

      • Mariana Baca

        That is a stigmatization of those with mental health issues. None of these quotations indicate anything other than the sin of rage is at work. They could have mental health issues, but they could also be perfectly healthy individuals. Reducing all sin to a health issue is dangerous both to those with mental health and to our faith.

        Many individuals who have mental health issues are perfectly productive and nonviolent members of society. They are more likely to be targets of violence than people without mental health issues, but they should be deprived of the means of protecting themselves if they choose?

        In other words, unless you are thinking of a specific mental health issue (dunno, rage addiction?, sociopathy?) with specific risks, it is unfair to those with mental illness (which is an incredibly broad section of society) to deprive them of rights others in society have. Require competency/knowledge of safety or non-criminality for gun ownership, ok. But you are saying everyone with mental health issues shouldn’t have access to guns.

        • Dave G.

          If it’s just rage, then there’s really no sense speaking of restricting guns based on anything. Because there’s no way of knowing who is a danger if a person willing to blow someone away over fishing is just someone losing their cool.

  • Mike Blackadder

    Yes, sometimes non-treatment of mental disorders is a pro-life issue.

    • Mike Blackadder

      I should revise. Mental disorder is not the only explanation. It is also in part a cultural disorder amplified by access to lethal force.

  • Leslie Strongcheese

    “This is a prolife issue”

    More like an **education** issue; apparently some folks don’t know it’s illegal to murder people in all 50 states.

  • cmfe

    Lundy Bancroft has done some interesting research on men who murder their spouses and/or children. It’s not mental illness, but power and control. You can’t treat it. You have to confront and change their value system that leads them to feel so entitled. More states are confiscating guns as part of the serving of domestic violence restraining orders.

    • Dave G.

      Is that the same thing with women who murder their children?

      • Mike Blackadder

        Maybe someone should go ahead and provide funding that kind of research.

      • cmfe

        No, the profile is very different. Mothers who kill are often trying to “save” their kids from what they consider to be a hopeless situation. Men kill children to punish the mothers.

  • Jonk

    “He was holding a bb-gun in Walmart, so I shot him.” – Police officer, 8/7, OH.