Satanic baby-killers

They’re everywhere.

I should probably warn you that the article linked to and quoted below includes nearly every horrifying trigger that one might imagine.

Will Storr recounts “The mystery of Carole Myers“:

When she was found dead at 41, Carole Myers left a statement saying she had suffered Satantic child abuse at the hands of her parents. But did she?

No. No she did not. But she did suffer horrific abuse at the hands of credulous manipulators who posed as counselors.

Their enthusiasm for signs of the demonic other — evidence of the evil conspiracy that must surely be lurking behind the confusing, frightening, threatening modern world — led them to reimagine her childhood into a nightmare straight out of a Jack Chick tract.

That’s not hyperbole. The nightmare is, in fact, out of a Jack Chick tract — those tracts are the origin of the memories these counselors helped poor Myers “recover.”

I arrange an interview with Valerie Sinason who, according to the records, saw Carole for psychotherapy biweekly for eight months in 1992. I want to know if she’ll fit the description Professor Loftus gave of the therapists she’s come across in legal cases who have involved false memory – that of a highly credulous believer in satanic abuse who has a tendency to believe ritual damage in patients.

And that is exactly what Sinason proves to be.

Sinason arrives, in her north London counselling room, tanned and relaxed in a loose smock, dark leggings and trainers. There’s a chaise longue with a crowd of teddies resting in its crook. On the floor, shoved beneath a table, a large cloth boy gazes sadly into space. We’re joined by her husband David, who takes notes throughout our talk.

Sinason insists she doesn’t use recovered-memory techniques. “I’m an analytic therapist,” she says. “The idea of that is someone showing, through their behaviour, that all sorts of things might have happened to them.” Signs that a patient has suffered satanically include flinching at green or purple objects, the colours of the high priest and priestess’s robes. “And if someone shudders when they enter a room, you know it’s not ordinary incest.”

Another warning, she says, is the patient saying: “I don’t know.” “What they really mean is: ‘I can’t bear to say.’” A patient who “overpraises” their family is also suspicious. “The more insecure you are, the more you praise. ‘Oh my family was wonderful! I can’t remember any of it!’”

In the medical records, Sinason noted that Carole was her first chronic sadistic-abuse patient. Today, when I ask about her first patient, Sinason describes the arrival of two medical professionals – a nurse and a psychologist – one of whom was limping.

“I just had that nasty feeling,” she says. “It’s her, and she’s been hurt by them.”

“You could tell that from the limp?” I ask.

“Yep.”

Soon, we get to the actual satanism. Sinason talks of a popular ritual in which a child is stitched inside the belly of a dying animal before being ‘reborn to satan’. During other celebrations, “people eat faeces, menstrual blood, semen, urine. There’s cannibalism.” Some groups have doctors performing abortions. “They give the foetus to the mother and she’s made to kill the baby.”

“And the cannibalism – that’s foetuses?” I clarify.

“Foetuses and bits of bodies.”

“Raw or cooked?”

“The foetuses are raw.”

“Not even a bit of salt and pepper?” I ask.

“Raw. And handed round like communion. On one major festival, the babies are barbecued. I can still remember one survivor saying how easy it is to pull apart the ribs on a baby. But adults are tougher to eat.”

She describes large gatherings in woodlands and castles, with huge cloths being laid out. “That’s normally when there’s a sacrifice,” she notes, “and because the rapes are happening all over the place. There’s a small amount of cannon fodder in terms of runaways, drug addicts, prostitutes and tramps that are used. There’s sex with animals. Horses, dogs, goats. Being hanged upside down. In the woods, on a tree.”

“How do they get an animal to have sex with a human?” I wonder.

Sinason’s husband thinks for a moment. “Well,” he says, “plenty of dogs have a go at people’s legs.” “True,” says Sinason, adding poignantly: “However horrible it sounds, the dog, at least, is friendly afterwards.”

  • FangsFirst

    Wouldn’t that require at least red and white additionally?

  • ako

    Not if they only saw him from the back.

  • Lori

    I assume that if the Joker gets involved you’ve got some sort of Satanist equivalent to the Catholic/Protestant split. I can’t imagine the Joker being orthodox anything. 

  • ako

    Harley Quinn would probably follow him around trying to start The Church of Mr. J, but he’d keep violating the rules of his own religion.  It’d be like Discordianism, without the bit where everyone kept repeating the same jokes.

  • Rikalous

    The Joker can’t be involved. He would demand salt and pepper with his fetus, and add it using adorable novelty shakers.

  • Rikalous

    I guess the Brides of Satan were inspired by Avon and Mary Kay?

    Or the other way around. Satan’s been around for a while now. You’d think he could have come up with a decent idea after a few millennia.

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    You’d think he could have come up with a decent idea after a few millennia.

    I’d say Multi-Level Marketing is a diabolic invention for the ages!

  • Rikalous

    Rereading the quoted section, I think Sinason is claiming that limping is a sign of an abuser, not an abuse victim. She seems to be saying she could tell that a couple of medical professionals had hurt Meyers from the way one of them was limping. That’s even more bizarre than I originally thought.

    Green and purple are the colors of more comic book villains than the Joker. The Green Goblin dresses in purple, Lex Luthor had a green-and-purple armored suit*, and so forth. Hulk has the same scheme, but the ol’ bundle of rage is pretty antiheroic. More traditional heroes like Superman and Spiderman get red and blue costumes. This may or may not be tapping into something archetypal, I don’t know enough to say.

    *Yes, really. The one story I read with it had him noting how ridiculous it was that he was donning it to fight Superman. Especially considering he was the president at the time.

  • http://nobleexperiments.blogspot.com/ NobleExperiments

    I had a family member who ended up with a “therapist” who helped him “recover” memories of being abused by family members as an infant (not Satanic Panic, but this was the early 1990s when all that was happening).  This “therapist” told me flat out that if a person has disordered eating (anorexia, overeating, etc.), then that person has been sexually abused as a child – absolutely, no question – even if there was no memory of abuse….. it was “too traumatic and had been blocked out.”

    Sorry to say, my family member held on to this explanation for all of his problems with both hands…. it was all someone else’s fault, right?  His mother wanted to sue the “therapist”, but has been noted above, anyone can call themselves a therapist or counselor and be free of repercussions.

    Dr. Elizabeth Loftus is mentioned in the OP; I wrote her an email not long ago thanking her for her work bringing false memory syndrome to light.  Too many people were victimized by this theory – remember all the day care workers who went to jail and/or had their lives ruined by “ritual Satanic abuse” allegations?

  • FangsFirst

    Back on Superfriends and in that era in general, Luthor just wore a green and purple costume, even outside his infamous suit of armour. Well, green and fuschia or something. Close enough.

  • Timotei30

    what a silly misinformed person you are! (and rude!)

  • tessa

    Who is defending Satanic Panic? you are jumping to these conclusions. You are not looking at the ‘reality and facts’ you are in the USA , have read a (one sided) article about a person you know nothing about, you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions – remember this, there are people in the UK who have information and evidence that you know nothing about, peope who lived and worked in the region that Carol was from; and before you all start ranting and raving, this has nothing to do with Satanic Panic. As they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you have  little knowledge and are making judgements (rude ones at that) on something you know nothing about!   So pipe down all of you and only comment on ALL of the facts not a biased article

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    I’d say Multi-Level Marketing is a diabolic invention for the ages!

    Crowley sent the Mary Kay handbook Below with a note that just said “Learn, guys”.

  • Diona the Lurker

    But do you agree with Sinason’s claims of wide ritual Satanic abuse?

  • Diona the Lurker

    If Lex knew the suit was ridiculous, why did make it in the first place?

  • tessa

    No I dont

  • Diona the Lurker

    So you’re saying that Sinason’s replies to the journalist in the article were completely fabricated by the journalist? That they were completely made up? That’s what you are implying, given that her alleged replies all affirmed the reality of widespread ritual Satanic abuse. If this is the case, then Sinason has every right to sue. Has this happened yet? If not, why not?

  • tessa

    Im not implying anything- you are? I gave a simple answer to your question, (wish I hadnt bothered), I didnt expand on other views and thoughts I have, so stop speaking on my behalf!

  • Matri

    If Lex knew the suit was ridiculous, why did make it in the first place?

    You think the police are going to believe you when you tell them the richest, most respected person in town just stole as many a four tens of cakes while dressed in a ridiculously garish purple & green spandex two-piece?

  • Anonymous

    You come in here, accuse everyone of being unfairly skeptical and provide not one whit of evidence that even one part of the article is ill founded beyond vague accusations of “one sidedness”. “You’re all wrong because I say so!” is not a compelling argument.

    Complaining about “one-sidedness” without showing there even is another side is really not the kind of thing that is respected on this board. Not to mention, you haven’t bothered to get Carole’s name right *once*. Not exactly an endorsement of your grasp of the “facts”.

  • tessa

    Look at the evidence provided (by a letter from Sinason) – Sinason doesnt come into the picture until 1991, by then Carol was already presenting ‘trance like states’ – this could be due to the over prescription of anti-psychotic drugs that were prescribed in the late 80′s and early 90′s, which would have been prescribed by the hospital when she was detained under the MH Act, therefore was not Sinason or Fisher’s responsbility , Im not saying ‘you’re all wrong’ but are basing your thoughts on very limited evidence that is in the public domain from one article, this is much ‘bigger’ than just blaming 2 people (obviously there must have been many more) who were involved in her care at that time.

  • http://accidental-historian.typepad.com/ Geds

    what a silly misinformed person you are! (and rude!)

    Coming from someone who is attempting to defend something that is completely indefensible based on the evidence and creating a narrative of conspiracy and persecution to defraud someone who literally damned herself with her own words, I’ll take “misinformed” as a compliment.  And if you’re shocked at rudeness, you probably shouldn’t be a credulous sock puppet for a lying charlatan.

  • http://accidental-historian.typepad.com/ Geds

    Look at the evidence provided (by a letter from Sinason) – Sinason
    doesnt come into the picture until 1991, by then Carol was already
    presenting ‘trance like states’

    So…let’s assume for just a moment that the letter (which I don’t recall actually being produced.  I believe that if this were Wikipedia there’d be a big ol’ [Citation Needed] right after the parenthetical.  As such: [Citation Needed]) written by someone who has been accused as unimpeachable evidence of their lack of culpability.  This can be the case.  Innocent people have been accused of things, after all, and, “You’re denying it, you must be lying!” is a horrible tactic.  It would be terrible if Sinason were railroaded by people who inform her that denying something is proof that it’s true.  I’m sure it would be impossible for me to just, say, scroll upwards on this very page and find proof that Sinason is completely willing to take the side of people who deny things as being honest.

    Another warning, [Sinason] says, is the patient saying: “I don’t know.” “What
    they really mean is: ‘I can’t bear to say.’” A patient who “overpraises”
    their family is also suspicious. “The more insecure you are, the more
    you praise. ‘Oh my family was wonderful! I can’t remember any of it!’”

    Oh.  Um.  Wait.

    So…I guess this means that the more Sinason denies what happened, the more proof we have that she did, in fact, do horrible things to another person?  Glad we’ve cleared that one up.

    That notwithstanding, anyone who actually thinks that aversion to purple or green is proof of victimization by Satanists or walking with a limp is proof of abuse at the hands of those same Satanists is mentally deranged.  Even if she did absolutely nothing to Carole Myers (which is not an assertion to which I’ll assent, since her own side of the story seems to indicate she was involved and made things worse), her statements about her therapeutic practices indicate she should absolutely not be allowed to treat patients.  Her belief that there are actual Satanists actually sewing babies in to the insides of animals and then making their mothers kill and eat them indicate she shouldn’t be a therapist but should, herself, be under professional medical care.  Hopefully she’ll be sent to a much higher caliber professional.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously, there’s a larger problem or someone like Sinason wouldn’t be allowed to act as a therapist.  You could’ve been a bit more clear on your stance, though.  It sounded as if you were defending Sinason and Fisher and claiming that they were right and Carol’s family really were baby eating satanists.

    (Carol’s family well could have abused her, but any evidence to that has been buried under completely impossible delusions.  So even if she had been abused, her friend and therapists made any action against her family pretty much impossible.  And if she wasn’t abused, but simply suffered from a mental illness that they took advantage of, then they did harm to her family for no reason as well as harm to her.  The whole thing is terrible.)

  • Davefelstead

    I am David Felstead, I am Carol’s brother. I have been reading this forum with great interest. The article in the Sunday Observer is only part of this scandalous story. For more information please visit http://www.justiceforcarol.com/.

    Listen to Dr Fisher steal Carol’s car here: http://justiceforcarol.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/phonerecording.mp3

    Here is the actual complaint made to the General Medical Council: http://justiceforcarol.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/OfficialComplaint.pdf

    Here is a letter from Valerie Sinason relating to her treatment of Carol: http://justiceforcarol.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Valerie-Sinason-1st-SRA-Patient1-Page-1.pdf

    http://justiceforcarol.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Valerie-Sinason-1st-SRA-Patient-Page-2.pdf

    Here is an article from the Sunday Times in which Dr Fleur Fisher confirms in her own words to the journalist that Carol had no memories of any ritual abuse before meeting Dr Fisher: http://www.richardfelstead.com/sunday-times-article-satanic-abuse-claims-doomed-our-girl/

  • http://accidental-historian.typepad.com/ Geds

    Look at the evidence provided (by a letter from Sinason) – Sinason
    doesnt come into the picture until 1991, by then Carol was already
    presenting ‘trance like states’ – this could be due to the over
    prescription of anti-psychotic drugs that were prescribed in the late
    80′s and early 90′s

    Also, too, everything in the diagnosis indicates symptoms of schizophrenia.  Now, I am not a mental health professional by any stretch of the imagination, so all of my medical knowledge of schizophrenia is based on half-remembered psychology classes and Google.  However, everything I’ve read of this caused me to say, “Hey, that sounds like schizophrenia.  Maybe I should check to see if the symptoms match.”  As it turns out, they did.  So were I a friend of Carole, my next step would be to try to get her treated.

    Sinason, meanwhile, saw her limp in to the room and thought, “She’s been ritualistically abused by Satanists!”  Everything she did after that was based on her premise that ritual abuse by Satanists was, like, a thing and seemed to discount the distinct possibility that there was a less wildly fantastic explanation, like, say, schizophrenia.

    You, dear sock puppet, have decided that she was totally thrown by overprescription of drugs.  You’ve worked up an entire anti-Sinason conspiracy theory and seem to be willing to defend it to the last.

    But, again, whether or not Sinason is innocent of abuse to a patient in this specific case is almost entirely beyond the point.  The very fact that she managed to avoid Occam’s Razor and say that she was probably looking at a schizophrenic in order to spin fabulous tales of ritualistic Satanic abuse indicates she’s a menace to her patients and potential patients.  The fact that she refers to Carole as the “first,” is positively chilling.  How many other poor families like the Felsteads has she put through the ringer of accusation of ritualistic sexual abuse, cannibalism, and other such bullshit based on no more evidence than a person saying, “My family was fantastic.  I loved them very much?”

    Valerie Sinason should not be defended as an unwitting dupe.  She should be permanently barred from calling herself a therapist and kept very far from people with mental health issues.  She proves herself to be a menace with her own words.

  • Vladimir

    Tessa, I’d like you to answer this: why were Carole’s satanic abuse stories never researched by the therapists treating her? If someone has a physical ailment it is first investigated, then diagnosed, then treated. In Carole’s case, the ‘investigation’ element was missed entirely.

    Indeed, had someone like Carole alleged that their parents were satanic serial killers I’d have gone straight to the Police about the matter. Merely to treat the patient based on their unfounded stories is at best astonishingly naive; at worst, it reveals the therapists treating her knew the stories to be false.

    Further, the doctor-patient relationship should be investigated immediately. It is ironic that Fisher (a former head of the Ethics Committee at the BMA) would later claim to be a patient’s “next of kin.” How can the relationship between a doctor and patient become so corrupted, as seen when Fisher admits driving her dead patient’s car? Or should we use the term she employs on the phone to Diamond insurance: “unofficial daughter”?

    Just reading The Sunday Times and Observer articles alone, it seems that Fisher has dozens of questions to answer. As a doctor, she should be held to account immediately and prosecuted as a matter of public safety.

  • Luke

    Just found another article regarding this case written by the UK newspaper Private Eye http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/eyefelsteadmyers.htm giving even more information about this scandal!

  • ako

    Sinason doesnt come into the picture until 1991, by then Carol was
    already presenting ‘trance like states’ – this could be due to the over
    prescription of anti-psychotic drugs that were prescribed in the late
    80′s and early 90′s, which would have been prescribed by the hospital
    when she was detained under the MH Act, therefore was not Sinason or
    Fisher’s responsbility

    You keep doing this.  You pick out one small detail of the article, use it to create a complicated string of tentative speculation, and acting as if it proves something.  Do you have evidence you’re not sharing, or are you just utterly determined to interpret things in a way that makes Fisher and Sinason look good?   (From what I can tell, that seems to be your agenda.  You’re not pushing for victims to be believed, as you don’t believe Carole’s version of events, and you’re not actually agreeing with Sinason’s approach, but you keep insisting that things be interpreted so Sinason and Fisher look good.)

  • http://accidental-historian.typepad.com/ Geds

    Do you have evidence you’re not sharing, or are you just utterly
    determined to interpret things in a way that makes Fisher and Sinason
    look good?

    Considering the bit where tessa first popped in referring to Carole as “Clare,” I strongly suspect that, no, our little sock puppet does not have any inside information worth divulging.

  • ako

    I didn’t think so.  I just wanted to give her a chance to say whether her bizarre interpretations were based on anything.

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    remember this, there are people in the UK who have information and evidence you know nothing about…

    “Also, I do so have a girlfriend! It’s just that she lives in Canada, and can’t come visit anytime soon… because she’s in the Peace Corps…”

    …people who lived and worked in the region that carol was from;

    I have heard that small English towns are different.

    pipe down all of you and comment on ALL of the facts…

    Actually, most of us are commenting on the remarks made by Ms. Sinason about Satanic cults and how they reflect on her judgement, rationality, and overall compitence as a mental-health-provider.

    So unless you want to provide a source where Ms. Sinason disavows the things she’s said she believes in (barbequed babies and ritualized beastality in the name of Satanic worship) I’d say you’re the one who needs to “pipe down”.

  • Rikalous

    If Lex knew the suit was ridiculous, why did make it in the first place?

    It was an Iron-Man-type supersuit, and the only way Lex had to fight Supes on an equal footing. Sometimes the president just needs to punch an alien in the face for the benefit of us all.

  • Rikalous

    If Lex knew the suit was ridiculous, why did make it in the first place?

    It was an Iron-Man-type supersuit, and the only way Lex had to fight Supes on an equal footing. Sometimes the president just needs to punch an alien in the face for the benefit of us all.

  • Anonymous

    The parents of Myers are members of the BFMS

    Not . . . the Baltimore Folk Music Society?!?!

    That settles it, then.  They’re clearly evil.

  • Anonymous

    Lex Luthor had a green-and-purple armored suit

    snip

    The one story I read with it had him noting how ridiculous it was that he was donning it to fight Superman.

    Someone has probably already beaten me to this, but this was a reference to the old “supervillain in a costume” Lex Luthor of the Silver Age.  He wore a green-and-purple (or was it purple and green) jumpsuit thingy.

    And now that I think of it, Brainiac wore purple and green in the Silver Age, as well . . . .

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    It was one of Dr. Brown’s patients, Edna Elain Moses, who was know to
    the world simply as “Elaine,” who claimed to have been a part of the
    conspiracy.  She stated that she was one of the “Regional Brides of
    Satan.”

    I’ve read her book.  It would have been a lot more hilarious if not for the horrible creeping realization that people BELIEVE this stuff.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    This looks possibly relevant:

    Brad Hicks talks about being stalked by a religious bigot cop who believed this stuff

    So he [the cop] spent a lot of time, I later found out, trying to find any little
    boy in St. Louis who would testify that I had made sexual advances to
    him. Even in the absence of such evidence, he kept warning parents
    groups about me as a probable pedophile, and even gave an interview to
    the local NBC affiliate’s TV news show to that effect. (My lawyer told
    me to let it go. He said that hardly anybody had seen it, that even
    fewer of them would remember it, and that a lawsuit even if it cleared
    me would only cement the accusation in the public’s mind. I followed
    that advice, but I still resent it.)

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Somehow I think that cop doth protest a little bit much.

  • Headless Unicorn Guy

    Coprophagy, brown showers, golden showers, semen-drinking, sewing kids inside dead animals, cannibalism, bestiality…  All to show RTCs what Those Satanists Do Deep In Their Dens.

    Sure sounds like “Porn for the Pious.”  And fairly Hardcore at that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-McGraw/100001988854074 Patrick McGraw

    Quite a few of Superman and Spider-Man’s classic villains wore green, purple, and/or yellow because the coloring limitations of Silver Age comics meant you couldn’t do many subtle gradations of color. So you want your villain to stand out from your hero at a glance.

    Thus we get lots of green, purple and yellow with: Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Mr. Mxyptlk, Mongul, and the Prankster (for Superman) and the Green Goblin, the Lizard, Electro, the Vulture, Doctor Octopus, the Scorpion, the Beetle, Mysterio, the Sandman, the Molten Man… okay, pretty much every Silver Age Spidey villain.

    In Lex Luthor’s defense, I would like to note that when he donned the green-and-purple power armor near the end of the “Public Enemies” story arc he had been shooting up a drug created from Kryptonite and Venom for a while. And the suit was built with Apokalyptian technology, so who knows what it was doing to his mind.

  • Lori

     remember this, there are people in the UK who have information and evidence that you know nothing about, peope who lived and worked in the region that Carol was from; and before you all start ranting and raving, this has nothing to do with Satanic Panic.  

    So, do the lurkers support you in email too? Meyers claimed to have been ritually abused by Satanists. People believed that this was the case. That’s pretty much the definition of Satanic Panic. 

    Because whatever else was true about Ms Myers’ unfortunate life, she was not ritually abused by Satanists. 

    So you pipe down. 


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