Backing off of the North East wind

We are who God says we are.”

“My southern ears hear Franklin Graham’s words clearly. … I hear the dog whistle, Franklin. Put it away.”

It is a living argument from the living gospels, and rooted in the traditions and history within which Cone grew up in Fordyce, Ark., and if that makes people who didn’t grow up in Fordyce, Ark., under Jim Crow quiver a bit in their Christian complacence, well, that’s just the way it is.”

We are all children of God, and today I call upon our legislators and I call upon the people of this state who elected them to live up to that higher calling and call for the repeal of a law that brings only hate, fear and separation.”

Never let that seed be planted …”

There is no better way to mobilize the faithful than to tell them that their faith is under attack. And this approach raises questions too about the theological self-confidence of those who call the troops to battle.”

“But my problem was, in order to be in that life you have to be a mean, mean person.”

“What sort of person would you be if you’re covering the economic devastation of a growing part of the country and don’t have an opinion about it? I don’t want to be that kind of person.”

We worry about what people are doing in bed much more than making sure everybody has a bed to begin with. There certainly is a need for a life-giving sexual morality, but one could question whether Christian nations have found it yet.”

“So the storyline of Americans’ sentiments towards regulations is the same as the storyline of Americans’ sentiments towards government programs: They hate them all, they love them each.”

From our industry’s perspective, the footprints of climate change are around us and the trend of increasing damage to property and threat to lives is clear.”

What they want is a patchwork system where your ability to access health care is at the whim of your employer, who can insert himself into the relationship between you and your doctor and arbitrarily deny you any procedure he doesn’t think people should be allowed to have.”

“I cause nausea, cramps, and occasionally-fatal cases of dysentery. But you sir, have gone too far.”

“Reading the Bible can indeed lead to people losing their faith, if their faith was placed in the Bible, which they believed to be inerrant. But that is only a natural (or perhaps nearly inevitable) outcome if one has accepted the aforementioned view of the Bible, and placed one’s faith in the Bible, allowing it to become the foundation for one’s faith, despite the Bible’s own insistence that one’s foundation should be elsewhere.”

“It was the people that rallied together to rebuild this church. It will be the people who will rebuild the church that is on fire.”

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  • George McDonals

     
    Backing off of the North East wind

    Ouch!

  • George McDonald

     McDonald…

  • hagsrus

    Oh, confound Disqus! No sense of humor! Won’t let me edit a joke!

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    OT for the start of the thread, but I didn’t want to put this in the middle of any of the condemnation of hateful people.

    My brother died suddenly on Friday night. He was 34.

    :(

  • Amaryllis

     Oh, I’m so sorry to hear that. You and your family will be in my thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    Sgt Pepper – How awful. I wish you and your family strength.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    :( I’m so sorry to hear that.

  • http://dumas1.livejournal.com/ Winter

     Sorry to hear that, Sgt. Pepper.

  • http://dumas1.livejournal.com/ Winter

     Sorry to hear that, Sgt. Pepper.

  • Anonymous

    :( Be as well as the dry silences allow. So sorry for your loss.

  • Anonymous

    :( Be as well as the dry silences allow. So sorry for your loss.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Sorry to hear that, Pepper.  :(

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Sorry to hear that, Pepper.  :(

  • Kiba

    My condolences to you and your family.

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry to hear that.

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry to hear that.

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    My condolences.

    I don’t know what else to say.

  • http://twitter.com/shutsumon Becka Sutton

     Sorry to hear that. Thinking of you and yours.

  • Anonymous

     Oh No! That’s to damn young… sending big electronic hugs and lots of love.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry to hear that, Sergeant.  My sympathies.

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry for your loss.

  • Tricksterson

    Oh,  Very sirry,  My condolences

  • Lori

    St Pepper’s, I’m so sorry for your loss. May your brother’s memory be a blessing.

  • Anonymous

    I’m so sorry to hear that.  Sending good thoughts to you and your family.

  • Shallot

    I’m so sorry, Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart.  Virtual hugs, if you want them.  Good luck to you and your family, this difficult week and in the weeks to come.

  • Randall M

     Sorry for your loss, Sgt.

  • Diona the Lurker

    I’m very sorry  to hear that.

  • hapax

     Sgt. Pepper, I am so very sorry to hear this.

    My thoughts are with you and your family.

  • Anonymous

    Sgt. Pepper, I’m very sorry to hear about your loss.

  • hagsrus

    Sgt Pepper –  Very sorry indeed!

  • http://www.blogger.com/home?pli=1 Coleslaw

    Sgt. Pepper, that is so sad. I’m sorry for you and your family.

  • http://www.blogger.com/home?pli=1 Coleslaw

    Sgt. Pepper, that is so sad. I’m sorry for you and your family.

  • Dan Audy

    I’m sorry for your loss Sgt. Pepper, I hope you and your family can be a strength to each other in such a difficult and painful time.  My thoughts are with you.

  • Dan Audy

    I’m sorry for your loss Sgt. Pepper, I hope you and your family can be a strength to each other in such a difficult and painful time.  My thoughts are with you.

  • RickRS

    I sorry to hear you lost your brother, Sgt. Pepper. 

  • RickRS

    Like Patrick Anderson, I’m southern and I hear every bit of the racist dog whistle in Franklin Graham’s words questioning President Obama’s faith.  As a result, I don’t believe Graham’s really sincere in his apology a few days later: his “flock” heard the slam and knowingly winked at each other over the apology. 

  • Anonymous

    I’d wait for that fire to die down before you go in with the 2×4’s, just sayin’…;)

  • WingedBeast

    Sgt Pepper, ouch.  I’m sorry.  My condolances.

    On the “They hate them all, they love them each” article.  It asked the question of why the conservatives have won this argument.  The answer is quite simple, they have deftly left the argument so vague and so generalized that they could present the image that the truly useful and helpful regulations are, somehow, in the minority.  “Oh, that one where you can put my son into a meat packing plant and for the people who are there  you have to take an effort to keep them out of the vats so they don’t die.  That’s one of the rare good ones.  But, all the others are bad.”  It’s the same way McCain treated earmarks in the last Presidential Election.  He left the concept general but only brought up one that, on the face of it, seemed wasteful…  That was until someone did some research, you know, that thing we expect our legislators to do on topics before they decide.

    When we started a nation on the the notion that all are equal, we made a promise that we immediately failed to keep.  A look at the history of America is a look at the history of liberalism gradually forcing a nation closer and closer to being what it actually wants to be.  Another way of saying “all are created equal” is that each individual is exactly that, an individual as opposed to a numbered member of a category.  The problem is that recognizing this is difficult unless we individually meet a member.

    In this case, the difficulty is in getting people to individually meet specific members of the “government service” category and the “regulation” category.  If this debate can be had absent any consideration of the concrete examples, then those that favor stripping us of regulations will win.  If we can get people to say “hello” to government services and regulations that not only don’t make them less free, but actually support their freedom, then we will win.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    One of the fastest ways to get people to agree to single-payer health care would be to restructure DMV offices to actually work properly. As it is they seem almost purposely designed to inconvenience people and make them think every government operation is as bumblingly incompetent at accomplishing its stated task.

  • Albanaeon

     I don’t know.  I was in the DMV last week and I was in and out for a renewal in 5 minutes.  And honestly, really thinking about it, nearly every time I’ve gone to the DMV has been relatively easy.  However a few times stick out, such as when they were the only office serving the entire city and it was a two hour wait to just get a number. 

    So I think that this is the key.  Usually government and regulations work as they should and you barely notice them, but when they break down people remember it.  And Republicans have managed to play up the times it doesn’t work in people’s minds and bury that usually its fine.  And let’s not forget that policies that defund and de-people agencies tends to make screw ups more likely.  Which feeds into the “government is the problem!” attitude, even as they actually want working government.

  • Anonymous

    Problem is, government services are only as good as people are willing to pay taxes for them to be.  

    I was talking to my son, whose fear is that single payer (or socialized healthcare) would mean that all the hospitals would be public hospitals*, and “everybody” knows that “public hospitals are really really crappy.”

    I tried to explain that not all public hospitals are crappy, they’re overburdened and used mostly by poor people and that the more affluent don’t want to pay taxes to provide decent healthcare to all that need it.  

    What makes it worse is that I’m one of those people that can’t afford health insurance (hell, I can’t really afford a tea at Starbucks without regretting it later on in the week.)  He knows, and he doesn’t care.  I think he’s operating under some sort of denial that anything bad could happen to Mom.

    TL-DR:  We can’t have nice things unless we’re willing to pay for them.  And pay for “those people,” because you and I and everyone are connected to them in ways that would be obvious if you sat down and thought about it.

    *Probably not true, there is private healthcare in Canada

  • Anonymous

    St. Pepper, I am so sorry for your loss. May you be sustained by the loving memories of your brother. 

    When I recently faced a similar loss, the support I received from the participants of this board were a comfort to me.  May the feelings expressed here be a similar comfort to you.

  • Amaryllis

    “We worry about what people do in bed much more than making sure everyone has a bed to begin with.”

    And on that note, the frequently-irritating New York Times has published a frontpage article on Rick Santorum’s Journey from Nominal Catholic to Clarion of Faith.

    As usual, there’s not one word in the whole long piece about Faithful Clarion Santorum’s differences from his bishops on a bunch of issues. You know, capital punishment, social justice, immigration, wars of aggression, anything except for what people are doing in bed.

    Dammit to hell.

    Also, is it just me, or is that kind of an archaic use of the word “clarion”? I know it’s a kind of medieval trumpet, but does anyone actually play the clarion any more, outside of a few early-music ensembles? You usually hear the word as an adjective, as in “a clarion call.”

    However, on looking it up, I find that one of the definitions is “an obsolete, high-pitched, small-bore trumpet.”

    Hmmm. Maybe the headline writer wrote with intent.

  • Anonymous

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  • Daughter

    I’m so sorry, Sgt. Pepper.

  • Tonio

    What would be a “life-giving sexual morality,” anyway? It sounds like the fundamentalist idea that women have no purpose other than motherhood. That’s not morality, it’s procreation as the highest good, and is consistent with a view of wives and children as fatherly property.

  • http://twitter.com/shutsumon Becka Sutton

     I think a life-giving sexual morality probably means life-enhancing – you know not the “sex=death” thing we seem to get a load of.

  • Tonio

    “Life-enhancing” seems to imply personal happiness, which is not a moral concept, at least directly. Morality is about how one treats others, and pursuits of happiness are only right or wrong based on whether they enhance or interfere with others’ pursuits of their own happiness.

  • http://twitter.com/shutsumon Becka Sutton

     There are things I would say are wrong even if they don’t intefere with someone else directly.

    Objectification for one. Person A may go about their life blissfully unaware that Person B thinks of them that way – especially if it’s merely mental. But considering people as objects for out gratification is always wrong even if we don’t act on it because it disrespects them as persons.

    When it comes to sex this is especially important as sexual objectification lies at the heart of the rape culture. (Conversely it is also a problem with some of the responses to rape culture that would define asexuals as unable to consent like we don’t know our own minds – taking away another person’s agency in a relationship is also objectfying even when it’s ‘for their own good’.)

    I think – and this is my own opinion I can’t prove it – that when Jesus said that if you look at a woman lustfully you have already commited adultery with her he was talking about imagining what you’d like to do to her not just thinking “wow! hot!” because that’s normal for sexuals* as I understand it. Lust to me is a sin, but it’s not sexual attraction it’s sexual objectification.

    Becka
    * Sexual when used in asexual spaces merely means people who experience sexual attraction in some form – as in not asexual.  It has no negative connatations. It can mean other things outside of those spaces so I thought I’d better clarify.

  • Tonio

     Becka, what you describe fits the concept I’m articulating about morality. I would put objectification in the same category as bigotry, as in they’re wrong in the sense of “would I object if I were treating someone else this way.” I suppose they could also be wrong because they could motivate the person into harming others. But I don’t want to go down that road, because that’s the concept of corruption, the old idea that pornography turns men into rapists.

    Part of my point is that the fundamentalist concept of sexual sin doesn’t make a distinction between pornography or objectification and things that truly don’t harm others, such as masturbation or homosexuality or contraception.

  • Anonymous

    Part of my point is that the fundamentalist concept of sexual sin
    doesn’t make a distinction between pornography or objectification and
    things that truly don’t harm others, such as masturbation or
    homosexuality or contraception.

    My conservative Catholic brother believes all three of the latter are forms of self-harm.

    I believe pornography has absolutely nothing wrong with it provided all participants are fully consenting and enjoying themselves. Ditto sex work.

  • Anonymous

    Here is What Jesus said about those things.

    And one of them, a doctor of the Law, putting him to the test, asked him, “Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?” Jesus said to him, “‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.’ This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like it, ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:35-40)

  • Rikalous

    Sgt. Pepper, I’m so sorry for your loss. You’ll be in my thoughts. 

  • Anonymous

    My condolences Sgt. Pepper’s.

  • cyllan

    I’m so sorry for your loss, Sgt. Pepper.  My thoughts are with you, and I hope that you may find comfort.

  • Nenya

    Sgt Pepper, I’m so sorry about your brother. Sending supportive thoughts your way. 

  • The Lodger

    Sgt. Pepper, I’m a bit late to the game here but am sorry for your loss.

  • Hawker40

    Sgt. Pepper, my thoughts are with you and your family.

  • Tricksterson

    What is the title in reference to?

  • Lori

    It’s another line from the same song Fred has been riffing on off and on for a while now—-“Everybody’s Talkin’ At Me”, Harry Nilsson’s song from Midnight Cowboy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t5_rzWFjns&feature=related

  • Tricksterson

    Thank you.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Thanks everyone for your kind words, thoughts and prayers.