Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them

I’ve written about or linked to a great deal here “chronicling Mitt’s mendacity” — to borrow Steven Benen’s phrase.

Mitt Romney says many, many things that are not true. He says this despite being in possession of the correct facts of the matter.

Which is to say that Mitt Romney lies. A lot. He lies more than any other national candidate for office in my lifetime. And I was born before the Nixon administration.

This is documented. Proven. Validated, verified, demonstrated, catalogued and quantified. Mitt Romney lies.

Here are 30 — 30! — of Benen’s weekly “chronicling” posts. These are all backed up and sourced. These are not assertions, interpretations or allegations. These are facts, actual instances.

Over the past 30 weeks, Mitt Romney has told lie after lie after lie: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX.

Click those links. Read the lists. List after list of lie after lie. Hundreds of them — 533, to be exact, although Benen does not make any claim to providing a comprehensive chronicle.

This is unprecedented. “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,” Romney’s pollster, Neil Newhouse, said.

This has produced what James Fallows calls the “post-truth” age — a relentlessly dishonest onslaught of brazen falsehoods with which the media and the political system are struggling to cope. What do you do when every article, every “fact-check,” every arbiter denounces a lie and corrects it, but then a politician just keeps repeating it?

It’s remarkable to behold.

One of the weirder aspects of this for me is watching this unfold in the politically conservative culture of my evangelical world. The most partisan evangelical conservatives are also those most likely to rant against “relativism” and to trumpet their status as defenders of “absolute truth.” Those same folks will dismiss this post — and all 30 of Benen’s posts above — as mere partisan attacks without ever bothering to examine the 533 factual instances of Mitt’s mendacity, chronicled.

That’s the only cognitive defense they have, I guess. Jam fingers in ears and shout la-la-la-you’re-being-partisan!

Because, you see, the fact that Mitt Romney said something he knew to be false is a partisan fact. And the fact that he has done this at least 533 times in the past 30 weeks is also partisan.

I suppose the other approach for Romney defenders who cannot bear to face the fact of those 533 facts will be to angrily pore over all of Benen’s lists, reading each one with a lawyerly eye.

Have at it. Please. Cherry-pick. Spin. Split hairs. Hand-wave away whichever lies you wish as mere misdemeanors and not full-fledged felonies against honesty.

But how many of those charges do you think you can get dismissed? 10 percent? 20 percent? Maybe, if you’re that sort of person and you work really hard at it — if you’re willing to get even more pedantic and semantic and technical than even you are usually comfortable with — maybe you could half convince yourself that 50 percent of those lies somehow shouldn’t really count against Romney.

That still leaves more than 260 lies. That still leaves Mitt Romney as a convicted liar, 260 times over. And at that point you’ll have to join your friends with their fingers in their ears.

But you’ll still know.

Because everyone knows. Mitt Romney lies. A lot. That is what he does. That is who he is. And friend or foe, he does not care if you know it.

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  • james

    Can anyone truly believe that there love ones will be in batter hands with Mitt ? I believe that Obama is doing the best that anyone could be doing just like Bill said. This is check your heart time, what kind of person I’m , will I put my child in the hands of a lying rich business man that has made his millions by firing the father and mothers of this great nation or will I keep my children in the hands of  the President who is bring us out of the trouble that lying rich business men has gotten us into . This isn’t about if I like Obama this is if I care enough for my children to do the right thing for them. 

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    This thread is why Patheos’ new strategy of showing “most popular posts” on the right sidebar in place of “most recent posts” sucks.

  • GScott

    I think this page is absolutly bais that you do not have the same thing for OBAMA. We all know that two people can hear the same thing and have two different ideas of what was meant. Nothing here is TRULY FACT check with sources and again it appears this whole Patheos web site is very very bias. My first time here and certainly would never consider this credible. You copy MSNBC articles and things that you know are bias and not true and have been fact checked to be UNTRUE yet you do not keep up and change. It is sad that this web site is no better than THINK PROGRESS which has 3Million investment by GEORGE SOROS who is wanted in several countries and OBAMAS buddie. You are a VERY VERY LIBRAL site and extreme to the other side. You obviously have an agenda and want Obama re-elected or you would have both side by side and do not. First and last visit here and give you no respect at all.

  • P J Evans

    Romney lies. He says A today and Not-A tomorrow (or even later today). He denies he said A. He says, later, he didn’t mean to say A.
    He doesn’t even know how much money PBS gets – it’s about $400 million a year, which is something like 1/100 of 1 percent of the federal budget.
    Why do you trust him on ANYTHING?

  • EllieMurasaki

    Because GEORGE SOROS is spending money to support Obama and that clearly makes Obama an illegitimate President! No true President would rely on big-money donors rather than on small donations and grassroots efforts!
    Koch brothers? Nope, never heard of them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Scott.McElhiney Redorblack Nigelbottom

     I have been hearing the “George Soros!” scream of the right wingers as a “Liberal Commie socialist trying to destroy America!” for years now no matter what the issue is.  Since I (and most people) have no idea who he actually is, I looked him up.  A kid that survived WW2 a Hungarian Jewish kid who survived the Nazis, got a job as a trader and developed the theory of reflexivity.  Got rich using that theory of cyclic markets and has given BILLIONS away trying to back the opening up of closed societies like Poland’s solidarity movement that we were all backing.  Now he is a damn liberal… not the guy who opened up communist counties to capitalism? LOL

  • COMALite J

    PBS gets more like 0.0062% of the budget.

    To put that in perspective, imagine a lower middle-class family of four that spends $50,000 per year, but earns somewhat less that and so has racked up some debt.

    They decide that the 10-year-old has to sit in the car when the rest of the family goes to see one afternoon matinee movie once during the year, thus saving one $6 child matinee movie ticket.

    That’s what the equivalent of completely eliminating all federal government spending on PBS would be.

  • http://twitter.com/HelenKistler Helen Kistler

    Have you actually followed those claims back to their original sources?

  • treedodger

    Here’s a few whoppers from Obama’s previous lie fest in 2008

    To close Guantanamo
    To unite people of this counrty
    100% transparency
    No new taxes for familys under $250K
    No earmarks
    To end income tax on seniors making under $50K
    No lobbyists in his administration
    To resign if he doesn’t cut deficit in half
    To bring all troops home within one year

    Not a single one kept. Not one.

  • EllieMurasaki

    There is a difference between a promise that he intended to keep but could not and a lie. He tried to close Gitmo. He couldn’t find anywhere that would take the prisoners. He tried working-together-ness and Republicans in Congress and out weren’t having any. The rest I’ll need citations for him having said them. (Unless you provided links already and Disqus stripped the formatting before sending the email notif, in which case ignore that. I’ll check when I’m on a computer that doesn’t block Patheos.) And then I will need citations for reason to believe that when he made those promises he did not mean to keep them.

    For bonus points, provide evidence that Romney will do any of the things you object to Obama not doing. Don’t bother citing his desire to reduce earmarks, as we all know the Big Bird saga by now and we also all know that all the earmarks in the federal budget don’t add up even to a single percent of federal expenditures, and if we want to do the most damage to this country’s people and its scientific research by cutting one percent of federal expenditures, the thing to cut is all the earmarks.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

     http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/new-justice-department-documents-show-huge-increase

    He promised to kill warrantless wiretapping, or at least sharply reduce it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Scott.McElhiney Redorblack Nigelbottom

     Lies vs. unkept/unfulfilled campaign promises.  Two seperate issues if you think about it.  One is intentional, the other is dependent on others to implement.  I wholely agree that Obama hasn’t fulfilled my needs for restoring the constitution with us still in the wars, with NDAA and other draconian measures eating further away at our liberties, with drones being used to commit the same sort of war crimes Bush authorized with missiles and gunships.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Scott.McElhiney Redorblack Nigelbottom

     source for those promises?  You start off with one he did make and he aknowledges that he has been unable to accomplish… then step straight into fantasy land.  He promised to unite people of this country?  No, he made it a goal to change government where WE unite regardless of race etcc…  He never claimed to have a magic wand.  To resign if he doesn’t cut the deficit in half?  Source please.  He promised to cut them in half by the end of his first term… it is projected not to happen until 2014.  Does that make it a lie with a completely obstructionist congress?  Find your quotes of him stating these things and get back to us.  That is the difference.. Romney is on video for pretty much every item on their list.  You respond with accusations that are probably based in reality… I suspect transparency was something like “we will be more transparent..” not 100% transparent. On earmarks he threatened his own party to veto them http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48208.html  Just because you got an email screaming about these things doesn’t make them true lies or even real.

  • Kami Prince55

    Watched Front line last night and listened to Obama’s high school friends talking about all the weed they smoked everyday and on into college days. Why doesn’t the mainstream media report this? Is this the person we want behind the desk in the Oval Office? I guarantee if Romney’s classmates exposed him for being a pothead the left wing media would eat him for lunch!

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    If you’re going to talk about that it would be nice to link to the TV show in question. Even a youtube clip would be nice.

  • Vermic

    Watched Front line last night and listened to Obama’s high school friends talking about all the weed they smoked everyday and on into college days. Why doesn’t the mainstream media report this?

    Because it is the 21st century and no reasonable person gives a shit about this anymore.

  • P J Evans

     Because, you know, what he did in high school isn’t what he does now. What did you do in high school that you’d prefer that the rest of the world not know about?

  • EllieMurasaki

    …the left wing media, which fyi is almost entirely found on the Internet, has a really large contingent of people who think that, one, teenage behavior shouldn’t haunt one in adulthood, and two, marijuana ought to be legal under restrictions similar to those on tobacco. I suspect the mainstream media agrees with the first point if not the second. For evidence I present the way nobody is harping on teenage Romney having bullied a gay classmate for being gay. (Which is some orders of magnitude worse than Obama having smoked marijuana. And the bullying incident is proven and I don’t think the marijuana incident is.)

  • h2ogirl

     How in the world would smoking pot in high school/college  be as bad as making millions off the disposal of aborted babies (which he is lying about) or calling himself a job creater when in fact those jobs  were outsourced to other countries INCLUDING
    China (which he is lying about) …and then of course there’s the whole “previous Conditions” lie he told on National tv……I could go on and on and on

  • Italiangal15131

    The man, MITT may not know what he says…Has he been checked for the beginning stages of Alzheimer.  Remember  President Regan.  Ann Romney is concerned about his “mental health” if he becomes President.

  • Jlhunting

    Willard is a lier.I know for a fact. I had come to that conclusion long ago.  He talks about one thing to one crowd, and another, or even opposite thing to a different group of people, depending on how much money they have in they’re pocket. He is dishonest, and not worthy of being president.

  • Elly
  • P J Evans

     He doesn’t lie the way he breathes, either. And he doesn’t act like a ten-year-old in an adult’s body.

  • Pmkensmoe

    You have a “news” organization headed by Rupert Murdoch that backs up the lies. There are people that watch Fox only. That is the only place that they get their information. Murdoch, not even born in this country has driven a wedge in our system of government. He did it in the U.K. and now he is doing it here. Like Canada we should outlaw lying “news”.

  • Shereeamoore

    Something a person is saying today, they cannot back it up,but the president looks at the congregation because he is doing for the people , romney is running for president for his own selfish reasons

  • Jjjj

    This a highly moronic opinion. Obama the Messiah is a false god.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I think you got your sentences in the wrong order and forgot to note that the one starting ‘Obama’ is a quote from a person you didn’t name, probably because that person has never posted here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501226575 Tom Gee

    My concern is that presidential candidates are role models. Do we wonder why so many people cheat and lie, especially young people? 

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     

    Do we wonder why so many people cheat and lie, especially young people? 

    That’s a good point.

    After all, before whichever thing I’m currently very concerned about started, people didn’t cheat and lie so much.

    And I know this, because…
    um…

    Well, actually I don’t really know this.
    But I’ll say it anyway, because it supports my pre-existing belief that this thing I’m currently very concerned about is very concerning.

    And ultimately, who cares whether the argument I’m making is true? What’s important is that I defend the moral value of telling the truth, not that I actually tell the truth myself.

    Or something like that.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Tom Gee makes a point.

    When the major figures in society contradict plain moral and ethical teachings, such as that lying and cheating is always punished (it’s not; statistically a CEO who rips off/asset strips/loots his company for personal gain often can abscond virtually with impunity), their role-modelling of acceptable behaviors for success (as defined by the society they live in) affects everybody else down the chain.

    If someone like Romney can so shamelessly lie and lie and lie and receive no effective punishment for it, why should a kid who broke the next door neighbor’s window tell the truth either?

  • Supanup

    Fact Check for Mitt Romney’s lies are redundant! Just let him speak and you know he is lying… 

  • ARamirez

    umm and where are these facts?  just sating that its not the truth does not make it a lie, where is the documentation?

  • bioengineer

    Well, I made it through the first several pages of this tripe and couldn’t handle any more.  I would agree that some of the things mentioned are lies, but the vast majority of this stuff Mitt was right about.  Take the very first example, Obama’s apology tour.  Obama did have an apology tour, and he DID apologize for the USA.  He didn’t use the words “I’m sorry” but what he said amounted to the same thing.  He spoke of America behaving innapropriately, mistakes we’ve made and how we’re now going to do better, yada, yada.  You’re either an idiot or a liar to say he wasn’t apologizing.  I’m a conservative, a combat vet, and a Mormon, and I can’t stand Romney.  He is a liar.  I think he’ll be just as bad as Obama.  I was very curious to see a comprehensive list of Romney’s tales but instead found what I figured this would be, a bunch of liberal retards, hypocrites the lot of you.  Stop lying to yourselves then maybe you can complain about Romney.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    You know, what the hell is it with you Americans that you just cannot let go of this idea that you have a date with Manifest Destiny?

  • bioengineer

    You assume too much.  My thoughts are more along the lines of Ron Paul, I’d bring all the troops home today.  And this is in fact one of my beef’s with Romney.  But is Obama any better?  No.  It’s very interesting that you would put this on “you Americans.”  Don’t know where you from, but shall we list all the European nations intangled in foreign wars?

  • EllieMurasaki

    I believe Invisible Neutrino’s Australian. Which means just Afghanistan recently, and that was hardly Australia’s fault. What’s your point?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Canadian, actually. ^_^

    But yeah, the proximity just means we get exposed to even more of the crap that leaks out of the US’s flush toilet when it ain’t working.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Ah, damn. Sorry to you and sorry to whoever I confused you with.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Actually, I’m pretty sure he’s Canadian.  Still not European, though, and pretty much responsible for just as much warmongering as Australia.

    ETA: Oops, should’ve refreshed.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The fact that you don’t seem to think the USA should have to apologize for anything, anywhere, and that any admission that the USA is less than perfect is some kind of mortal embarrassment, tells me that as much as you might protest otherwise, the fact is that you’re acculturated in exactly the kind of Manifest Destiny thinking that led Shrub and his puppetmaster Cheney into trying to swagger around the world and bludgeoning two countries into submission (Iraq, Afghanistan) while saber-rattling at a third (Iran), all the while ignoring even the basics of international obligations (Kyoto, refusal to concur to the International Court jurisdiction, etc).

  • bioengineer

    Are liberals always idiots?  First, I didn’t say whether the USA has anything to apologize for or not.  All I said is that Obama DID apologize.  This is an article that claims to document Romney’s lies.  Romney didn’t lie about this.  Obama did apologize.  I know it’s hard, but try to stay on topic.  Again, you assume way too much.  I would completely agree that our leaders actions in the Middle East have not been well thought out.  This business about international obligations though, I LOL at that. 

  • EllieMurasaki

    What precisely did Obama say that constitutes an apology? ‘We have made mistakes and we will endeavor to fix those mistakes and not repeat them’ does not, fyi, constitute an apology.

  • bioengineer

    According to the dictionary the word “apology” is defined as expressing one’s regret, remorse, or sorrow.  Do you disagree with this definition?  For examples of Obama expressing regret, remorse, or sorrow re US foreign policy, go youtube all his speeches in the spring of 2009.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Provide quotes in which Obama said ‘I am sorry for what the US has done wrong’ or words to that effect. Quotes in which Obama said ‘the US has done wrong’ are missing an important bit that they need to have in order to be apologies.

  • bioengineer

    LOL.  And the sad part is I’m sure you got an A in English!  Please provide for me a definition of the word apology from ANY major dictionary where it reads “expression of regret, remorse, or sorrow prefaced by the phrase ‘I’m sorry'” 

  • EllieMurasaki

    You seem to comprehend English reasonably well: why have you yet to comprehend the difference between ‘this is a thing that happened’ and ‘this is a thing that happened and I really wish it hadn’t’, and why have you yet to provide a single quote?

  • bioengineer

    ‘this is a thing that happened and I really wish it hadn’t’ is an apology.  This is an expression of regret.

    I did provide a quote, I reference Obama’s speeches in spring of 2009.  You want me to paste those transcripts here?  The entire tone of these speeches are how America did wrong and he’s here to change things.  I’m sure you know how to use google, lots of videos of these speeches.

  • EllieMurasaki

    ‘this is a thing that happened and I really wish it hadn’t’ is an apology. This is an expression of regret.

    YES. And ‘this is a thing that happened’ is NOT.

    Yes I want you to paste in the relevant bits of the transcripts. The bits where Obama says he wishes the US had done differently, not just the bits where he says the US did wrong and he doesn’t plan to continue that. Idea is for you to read the transcripts yourself instead of relying on the Fox News summaries.

  • bioengineer

    Are you for real?  I feel like I’m talking to a lawyer.  You already acknowledged it yourself.  In your words Obama said “We have made mistakes and we will endeavor to fix those mistakes and not repeat them” 

    I agree with this assessment of his speeches.  And, drum roll, That is an apology! 

    Saying the phrase “I’m sorry” isn’t a requirement to fit the definition of an apology.  I could paste a quote and your response will be “I don’t see the words I’m sorry in that quote”.    The whole speech is an apology, in the tone and context of everything he said.  His speeches were received as an apology in the countries in which they were given, and interpreted as apologies by the vast vast majority of Americans familiar with them.

    See his speeches in France, Spain, Turkey, Cairo, etc.  In his Cairo speech he doesn’t say a single word denouncing terrorism but goes on and on about how wrong our war on terror is, how wrong gitmo is, and listing all the things he’s going to do to fix these injustices. 

    If you truly, genuinly don’t think he was apologizing I flat out disagree with you.  As do most people who have heard these speeches.  Arabs in the Middle East sure thought he was apologizing.  I live in the Middle east currently, been here for years.  This is their interpretation of what he said.  And they regard him a liar as he’s done nothing he promised since then.

    Either way, this still means Romney isn’t lying.  While you may interpret Obama’s speeches in one way, the fact that your interpretation is wrong doesn’t make Romney a liar.  At best it makes it a difference of opinion.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I think I figured out what the issue here is. You think it is not possible for me to say ‘I have been stupid about money’ and/or ‘I will spend more wisely in future’ without also meaning ‘I wish I hadn’t spent so much money’, and I think that while I have been stupid about money and I do mean to spend more wisely in future, there isn’t actually anything I wish I hadn’t spent money on.

    (Except the foot-long Subway the other week where I ate half and realized I was no longer hungry. Or the eight cents a gallon of gas on Friday that I wouldn’t have spent had I instead bought gas Monday. These are recurring themes in my life, but summing them up and deleting that amount from my ledger wouldn’t actually appreciably reduce my debt.)

    Point is, Obama saying the US has done wrong does not, even with the addition of Obama saying that under his leadership the US will not repeat the wrong, constitute Obama apologizing for the US having done wrong.

    Sidebar: given that the US has in fact done wrong, to the tune of a hundred thousand Iraqi civilian deaths on the lowball estimate (among other tunes), what the fuck would be the problem with Obama apologizing for it?

  • bioengineer

    Your money example is an apples to oranges comparison. If Obama had been talking about matters internal to the USA I would agree with you. That wasn’t the case though. Obama went to nations the USA supposedly had wronged and spoke specificially of those wrongs. A more appropriate comparison would be if you went and spoke to someone that your brother had robbed. In not so many words you apologize by saying what your brother did was wrong, and then you pay back the debt.

    Ok, here we go, specific examples. Obviously these are huge speeches, so I’m just snipping tiny clips to illustrate the point.

    In Cairo Obama doesn’t say a single word against terrorism, but he goes on and on about how wrong our War on Terror is describing it as “contrary to our ideals”. He spoke about how Gitmo is wrong and promised to close it, which he didn’t of course.

    In Turkey Obama speaks about things we’ve done wrong and apologizes for this by saying we are a new and imperfect democracy and “The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history”

    In Spain Obama apologizes for America’s arrogance, saying, among other things, “While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms”

    In France Obama apologizes for mistreating the EU, saying things like “In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive”

    To any rationale person with common sense these are all apologies. Obama is POTUS, he represents the USA, he is speaking in the context of “WE”

    Moreover, again, the people in these host countries regard those speeches as apologies. Go read opeds on Obama’s Cairo speech in Arabic. The Islamic world received his Egypt and Turkey speeches as apologies. go read opeds in Europe, his Europe speeches were received as apologies.

    If you say he wasn’t apologizing, what was he doing? What was the point? If he had other intentions then he failed miserably.

    And again, either way, back to the subject, even if you disagree, there is nothing “wrong” with Romney’s interpretation. His interpretation is in the majority. Romney isn’t lying to interpret Obama’s behavior they way he is.

    Re your sidebar, that is a different subject. The issue is whether Romney lied about this, which clearly, he didn’t. I would even go so far as to say it’s a lie to say Romney is lying.

  • EllieMurasaki

    You continue to confuse Obama stating facts with Obama expressing regret for those facts.

  • bioengineer

    “Facts” as he sees them. I notice you don’t answer the questions. If he didn’t mean to apologize what was the meaning of his words? What is your response to the FACT that his speeches were interpreted as apologies?

    Also I thought liberals were supposed to be open minded and try to reach common ground and all that nonsense. Even if you disagree on the nature of Obama’s speeches, at a minimum, it should be perfectly reasonable for you to understand how Romney, myself, and millions of others would interpret those speeches as apologies. Disagree with us, fine, that doesn’t make us liars.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I’m only going to look at one of your examples, because I really ought to be heading for bed:

    he goes on and on about how wrong our War on Terror is describing it as “contrary to our ideals”. He spoke about how Gitmo is wrong and promised to close it

    In what way is it supportive of US ideals to “give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety” (remember what Ben Franklin said about people who do that?), to hold people for years without trial, to waterboard and sleep-deprive, to kill over a hundred thousand civilians? Because if you can provide reasons why it is in fact in support of US ideals to do those four things, I will happily retract my assertion that Obama is stating facts when he says that those four things are contrary to US ideals.
    I will also immediately begin investigation into requirements for immigration to Canada and Australia and the UK and Ireland (haven’t seriously investigated which I’d most want to live in), because I can live in a flawed country but not in a country that considers that flaw its crown jewel, but I will certainly retract my previous assertion.

    Also, re people interpreting Obama’s statements as apologies: how a statement is taken doesn’t necessarily have a damn thing to do with how the statement is meant to be taken.

  • bioengineer

    *Sigh* Again, you don’t answer the question. The issue is whether Romney lied or not. We’re not discussing whether Obama was right to say what he did. You are completely changing the subject. I will take this as a tacit admission of defeat. Have pride. If you think it is right for Obama to apologize, then why are you so fearful of Obama’s words be characterized as an apology? If an apology is warranted, I totally agree, we should apologize.

    As for your other remark about leaving the USA, crown jewel and such, lol, what in the world are you talking about? What is this flaw you speak of that is our crown jewel? I truly don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Lori

     

    The issue is whether Romney lied or not.

    Yes, he did, but you’re clearly going to remain bogged down in mischaracterizing regret as apology, so let’s move on. Mitt Romney is a serial liar. Even if we concede the “apology tour” lie (which we don’t) Romney has still told lie, after lie, after lie. Mitt is still a liar.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Obama did not apologize. Therefore, when Romney said he did, Romney was lying. This is true even if Obama should have apologized, which he really should have.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The point is, the way Romney puts it, it’s like he thinks the USA shouldn’t have to ever apologize for ANYTHING. And you apparently agree with that kind of thinking.

    And as a Canadian, seeing the USA throw its weight around on the world stage gets more than a little tiresome, especially when our politicians seem eager to ape that kind of behavior.

    As Linda McQuaig puts it, “Holding the Bully’s Coat”.

  • jonathanmilo

    Did YOU interpret those comments as apologies? Or did someone else interpret them that way, and then you agreed with them?
    Regretting a past administrations policies is not “apologizing for America”. If you can’t see that, then you don’t want to see it, which puts you firmly in the fingers-in-ears camp. 

  • Kayo

    From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
    regrettingpresent participle of re·gret (Verb)
    Verb:Feel sad, repentant, or disappointed over (something that has happened or been done, esp. a loss or missed opportunity).Used in polite formulas to express apology for or sadness over something unfortunate or unpleasant.

  • Lori

     Did you read that before you did your cut & paste. Did you see the “or sadness” part? Do you understand how context is used to determine which meaning applies to a particular usage?

  • Lori

     

    ‘this is a thing that happened and I really wish it hadn’t’ is an apology.  This is an expression of regret.   

    Your vocabulary needs some work. An apology and an expression of regret are not the same thing. You can regret something for which you do not apologize. For example, if your friend (assuming you have one) loses his job for reasons that have nothing to do with you and you say, “I’m so sorry you lost your job” that would be an expression of regret which is not an apology.

    Beyond that, please provide a coherent explanation of why it’s wrong for America to apologize when we’re wrong. Do you think America is never wrong or do you think having the biggest military means never having to say you’re sorry or what? What exactly is so terrifying to Fox News viewers about the notion of America apologizing for being wrong?

  • bioengineer

    Obama is POTUS. His speeches were in the context of WE and US. He speaks on behalf of America, not as a 3rd party. He didn’t say Bush did ABC and I’ll do differently. He said WE, America did ABC.

    And yes, you can regret something without apologizing for it. But if you express that regret, that is, by defintion, an apology.

    Re the other point, again, this discussion has nothing to do with whether America has done wrong and whether we should or shouldn’t apologize. That is an entirely different subject. The subject is whether Romney has lied about Obama’s speeches. He has not, he does not. It’s perfectly reasonable to refer to Obama’s 2009 speeches as apologies.

  • jonathanmilo

    That is just not so. You have never regretted something, but didn’t feel it warranted an apology? Never? Really? I can think of a million scenarios.

    My senile mother doesn’t follow common courtesies at the supermarket. I regret that, but have no need to apologize. She can’t help it. 

    I bought an item, then saw it on sale the next day. Definitely regret it. No need to apologize.

    It seems clear, unless you’re trying to fit a “gotcha” frame around something, that Obama meant “Where we’ve been is off course. Let’s get on course.” I think if you step away from trying to put a derogatory frame on it, you’ll have to be honest and admit that’s what he was saying.  

  • Beroli

    I was very curious to see a comprehensive list of Romney’s tales but
    instead found what I figured this would be, a bunch of liberal retards,
    hypocrites the lot of you.

    You were very curious to see something you simultaneously figured you wouldn’t see?

  • EllieMurasaki

    To be fair, I’m quite curious to see, for example, a secular reason to oppose legal same-sex marriage that does not, if applied logically, also deny marriage to a subset of mixed-sex couples. This is something I expect I will never see.

    I suppose bioengineer’s a drive-by and therefore it’s not worth calling zir on the ableism inherent in the R word. Shame.

  • bioengineer

    Correct if I’m wrong but isn’t that the meaning of curious? Interest in things that are unlikely…

  • Lori

    Correct if I’m wrong

    OK

    but isn’t that the meaning of curious? Interest in things that are unlikely… 

    No, it is not. Where in the world did you get the idea that it was?

    curious  adj

    1. Eager to learn more
    2. Unduly inquisitive; prying.
    3. Arousing interest because of novelty or strangeness

  • bioengineer

    Read your own defintion “Arousing interest because of novelty or strangeness” This is the same meaning as what I said.

  • Lori

     

    This is the same meaning as what I said.   

    No, it’s really not. Not worth getting into though.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     I will leave everything else that is wrong about your post to other people, and just say this:

    bunch of liberal retards

    You’re a fucking asshole and the kind of person who’d sling that sort of ableist garbage does not deserve to have his opinion respected.

    You may recall that Ann Coulter whipped out a similar insult in response to the third presidential debate.

    Special Olympics athlete and global messenger John Franklin Stephens composed a response to this which I think applies in its totality to what is wrong with your statement. In conclusion: Go Fuck Yourself.

  • bioengineer

    You made my day! :D

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino
  • http://www.facebook.com/rjoseph.owles R Joseph Owles

    The Republicans must have read Brave New World in addition to Atlas Shrugged–if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted truth.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Did you see Obama’s rather subtle jab at Paul Ryan? It is definitely my experience that Atlas Shrugged seems to have its largest following among people who picked the book up as a teenager and, like teenagers since time immemorial, decided the thing they read meant they knew ALL THE THINGS and based their life philosophy around it not for just a while, but their whole life.

    It’s one thing to be 17 and shouting, “up with Objectivism!” particularly if you think it might give you a better shot at things.

    It’s another to be a grown adult using it as a justification for being in power and using that power to nakedly enrich the rich and afflict the poor.

  • EllieMurasaki

    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: *The Lord of the Rings* and *Atlas Shrugged*. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    That never fails to make me laugh. XD

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I reiterate: The people carping and whining and moaning about the OMGAPOLOGYTOUR – their real problem is that they think the USA should never have to apologize for anything. Because waving around that big billy stick called the US military is at all times and at all places entirely called for and anybody complaining about it is just some weak-assed dumb motherfucker.

  • IDSprout

    Trying to paint Romney as a liar compared to Obama is a laugher – he has to resort to schoolyard politics because his record is horrible as POTUS – no leadership, gutless, chief-apologizer, Marxist, racist, etc.  He has run every campaign the same way (attack his opponent with anything he can find instead of bringing a real solution to the table)

    When President Romney turns the Economy around (after all it is the ONLY thing that matters to alot of people) – the Left will be scratching their heads on how to negatively spin his successes – BUT the Americans will see through this and two things will be achieved – America will regain her position as the world leader AND the Liberal Media will finally collapse from within.

    Keep calling him names, keep using the scare tactics you always resort to – enjoy those last few months living in the White House…but hey, look at all the time Obama will have for Golf, Parties with Beyonce & Jay-Z, and his favorite sport…throwing people under the bus

    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/18/Media-likes-obama-lying-to-them

    http://floppingaces.net/2012/10/24/lies-white-house-told-us-that-there-was-no-evidence-of-terrorist-attack-in-libya/

    http://www.newworldorderwar.com/lies-obama-has-told/

    http://obamalies.net/

  • Lori

    Thank you so much for correcting us by linking to Breitbart, that bastion of truth and light in the cold darkness of encroaching IslomofascistCommieStalinism. Your efforts are so appreciated.

    Also, what the hell is up with the wingnut obsession with Obama’s golf game? Golf is pretty much the official sport of the GOP so it’s an odd thing for them to obsess over. It’s because black people are supposed to carry the clubs, not play the game isn’t it? It’s OK to have a one-off star like Tiger Woods, but there’s no call for black people to start thinking they’re allowed to play just like anyone else, right?

    It certainly can’t be the time issue, considering that W spent more time on vacation than any other modern president, but a significant margin.

  • TonyinMO

    And the biggest liar is the author of this very weak hit piece. You have failed miserably just like your little tin god 0bama

  • http://twitter.com/JimTerwiliger Jim Terwiliger

    As a Mormon Mitt Romney is actually instructed to lie by God to non-mormons in order to make America into a Mormon nation

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3TVE4Z4443NMBNHXSYZEG5LMH4 yahoo-3TVE4Z4443NMBNHXSYZEG5LMH4

    So….wondering where the long list of Obama lies are??????

  • Da_burgh_boy

    So when Pinocchio grew up he went into politics and changed his name to Mitt…..now it all makes.sense

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    His nose should be across the city of New York by now. :P

  • Tammi Trivette

    Hats off to Steve for taking the time to document the truth!@Carstonio:disqus Moving Forward~Obama

  • http://twitter.com/mzha1942 Isabel Maione

    Robert Johnston, If you think Obama is the best president ever, that’s your opinion and your mindset. I do not agree with you, and if Mitt does become president I’ll be able to have the freedom of speech and opinion. I do not feel Obama is truthful and I fear anyone who crosses him is not safe because I’ve seen what has happened. Hopefully one day you will see what I mean. Liberals are already saying if Mitt wins they will kill him, and their will be riots. What kind of supporters are they? Do we live in a communist county? Will our country become communist if Obama wins? I hope I and everyone I know never find out. If I had my wish I’d wish that Obama and all his supporters would go live in Libya or another country and leave our precious United States.

  • EllieMurasaki

    If you think Obama is the best president ever, that’s your opinion and your mindset. I do not agree with you, and if Mitt does become president I’ll be able to have the freedom of speech and opinion.

    You have freedom of speech and opinion now. You know this because you posted that comment without fear of reprisal.

    Liberals are already saying if Mitt wins they will kill him, and their will be riots.

    [citation needed]

  • Lori

     

    Liberals are already saying if Mitt wins they will kill him, and their will be riots.

    What Ellie said—Citation needed.

    That means that you need to provide proof from a reliable, fact-based, nonpartisan source. So not Breitbart or World Net Daily and not some right wing blog or forum quoting something that someone heard that someone had said.

     

    Do we live in a communist county? 

    Clearly not.

     

    Will our country become communist if Obama wins?

    He won 4 years ago and the country isn’t communist now, so no. No, the country will not become communist if Obama wins.

     

    I hope I and everyone I know never find out.   

    There appears to be very little danger of you finding anything out. You are afraid of things that have no basis in fact. You’re scaring yourself and making yourself miserable over things that aren’t true and aren’t going to be true.

     

    If I had my wish I’d wish that Obama and all his supporters would go
    live in Libya or another country and leave our precious United States.   

    What a horrible, nasty, unamerican person you are. This country does not belong to you, it belongs to all of us. The fact that you wish for it to be the exclusive property of you and people like you shows very clearly that you don’t actually understand a thing about the country you claim to hold so precious. You should be ashamed.

    Also, you and everyone like you needs to stop talking about Libya. You don’t know anything about Libya. You’re just repeating garbage and it’s annoying.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    > There appears to be very little danger of you finding anything out

    This is now among my favorite phrases ever. I’m likely to use it quite a lot from now on without giving you any credit for it, so I figured I’d at least take a moment now to acknowledge the fact and praise you for it.

  • Lori

     LOL

    Use it in good health.

  • Daughter

     Speaking of Libya, there were 11 attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates during George W. Bush’s years in office, five prior to the 2004 election, and about 46 deaths and dozens of injuries in those attacks.

    Why aren’t these incidences more well-known? Probably because Democrats didn’t spend a lot of time making hay about them, including Kerry when he was running against Bush.  (Dems spent a lot of time hay about the Iraq War, but that’s because Bush was to blame for it).

    Here’s an articles that summarizes the attacks during Bush’s administration, with citations to their original sources: http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00e008c7b51e8834017ee4b499eb970d

  • Daughter

    Sorry, link broken. Try this one: http://pleasecutthecrap.com/

  • Kayo

    Its un-American to want a socialist out of the White House? I don’t think so.

  • Lori

    Socialism. That word does not mean what you think it means.

    And if you mention the ACA/”Obamacare” I’ll know you’re a liar because that was Romney’s idea before he was against it. It the guy who did it first isn’t a socialist then neither is Obama. If both candidates are socialists then replacing one with the other would be pretty pointless.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Liberals are already saying if Mitt wins they will kill him, and their will be riots.

    Oh, you mean like how Donald Trump is calling for revolution now that Obama has been re-elected?

  • http://twitter.com/mzha1942 Isabel Maione

    Aunursa: I’ll tell you what Obama did apoligize  for; he spent $70,000 on an ad apoligizing to Libya about a film that was not the reason our ambassador and three seals were killed for. It was a terriorist attack. For weeks they blamed the film and still have the film maker in jail for no reason. There are many lies about the Libya attack and I can’t wait til you learn the truth of what happened, if the bias media ever starts  telling our country the truth. Maybe if arrests are made they will be forced to tell the truth.

  • Lori

     

    our ambassador and three seals were killed for.   

    This is the proof that you know nothing about Libya and should stop talking about it.

    First of all,  I doubt very much that you would have considered Ambassador Stevens to be of any importance if Fox News hadn’t decided that his death could be used as a weapon against Obama. Ambassador Stevens spent his whole career working for values that you clearly don’t agree with. And of course he was nominated by Obama so he clearly can’t have been “your” ambassador.

    There were not 3 SEALs killed in Benghazi. Three security contractors, 2 of whom were former SEALs, were killed. By all accounts they did their jobs bravely and well and they deserve our respect. We don’t show respect by getting the facts wrong or by being dishonest about them or their deaths in order to score political points.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1263771588 Pamelia Marie Goode

    I certainly hope you are keeping up with all of Barry Soetoro’s lies as well…his lies tend to get people killed…Fast N Furious,  Benghazi etc….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c&feature=r-vrec

  • P J Evans

     Oh goody, another little GOP troll, loaded with lies.

    Can we get to to go away before we have to turn you into a pinata?

  • Lori

    Oh for Pete’s sake, another idiot spewing the talking point about Libya without having any actual clue what happened in Benghazi or any actual concern about the 4 Americans who died there.

    You also seem to have missed a memo or two on Fast & Furious.

    And Mitt Romney is still a serial liar.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1263771588 Pamelia Marie Cataldi

    Did you say something Lori? It was garbled from all the ugly dripping out of your mouth.

  • Lori

    You revived a 5 month old thread to say that? You clearly have far too much time on your hands.

  • Kayo

    Is there anyone chronicling oblowme’s lies? Or is he such a saint to the sheeple that he never tells a lie?

  • Lori

     

    Is there anyone chronicling oblowme’s lies? Or is he such a saint to the sheeple that he never tells a lie?  

    Why do you all say exactly the same thing? Is there some troll factory that turns you out on an assembly line? Are you all actually the same guy? Are you all getting you marching orders from the exact same place?

  • Samuel Constance

     Who is “oblowme”?

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    I assume from context that “oblowme” is a dismissive, insulting, and vulgar way of referring to the current President of the United States.

  • Koshka

    Not a fan of Romney, but what about Obama’s lies….

  • dirtygrl

    Could you be a little more specific please?

  • Koshka

    I don’t have Lobbyists.When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.
    Will not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
    Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009.
    I have visited all 57 states. (lol)
    I’ll get rid of earmarks.
    Will have the most transparent administration in History.
    Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
    Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term.
    Obama says he’ll save average family $8,000 in gas.
    We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or
    created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed
    to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’.
    We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
    No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law.
    My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
    Planned Parenthood provides mammograms.
    For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs.
    Under President Barack Obama, the United States has “doubled our exports.”
    Under the White House’s budget proposal, “we will not be adding more to the national debt” by the middle of the decade. (PolitiFact-Revenue would equal outlays, but he ignores growing interest on the debt)
    “I didn’t raise taxes once.”
    “The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.” (PolitiFact-Big donors bankrolled much of Obama’s campaign) 
    “We’ve excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs.”
    “I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever” (Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza)
    Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete” (Department of Homeland Security says 5%)
    Barack Obama in 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO:“I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal
    healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.”In January, 2008,
    Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:”I never said that we
    should try to go ahead and get single-payer.”

    In Obama’s famous DNC
    Convention speech, Obama says, “My father was a foreign student, born
    and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went
    to school in a tin-roof shack. His father — my grandfather — was a cook,
    a domestic servant to the British.”
    Kezia, Obama Sr.’s first wife tells a story that puts Obama’s account to lie.
    Kezia said: In 1955 Obama
    Sr. was 18 and working in an office in Nairobi, when he took Kezia from
    her family at the age of 16. Her father was furious. “He did not like
    Obama. My father and brothers came to Nairobi to bring me back.
    They said I had to go back to school. “When I wouldn’t, they said they
    would never speak to me again. “Barack was also worried about what his
    father would think because I was so young, but he gave us his approval.
    Obama’s father (often described as poor) sent my mother and father 14 cows for my dowry.
    Just how can a cook, a domestic servant to the British, provide a dowry of 14 cattle for Senior’s first wife? Also, Obama’s father had been working in a Nairobi office since the age 16, not herding goats.Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval

    In June 2011, U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said that
    Obama had violated the Constitution when he launched military operations
    in Libya without Congressional approval.Gave a no-bid contract to Halliburton – just like Bush did

    In May 2010, it was reported
    that the Obama administration had selected KBR, a former subsidiary of
    Halliburton, for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through
    2011 for military support services in Iraq, just hours after the
    Justice Department had said it would pursue a lawsuit accusing the
    Houston-based company of taking kickbacks from two subcontractors on
    Iraq-related work.Has an administration full of lobbyists, after promising he wouldn’t have any

    While running for President, Obama had promised that, unlike Bush, he
    would not have any lobbyists working in his administration. However, by
    February 2010, he had more than 40 lobbyists working in his administration. Has close ties to Wall St., but pretends to support Occupy Wall St.

    Although Obama claims to support the Occupy Wall St. movement, the truth is that he has raised more
    money from Wall St. than any other candidate during the last 20 years.
    In early 2012, Obama held a fundraiser where Wall St. investment bankers
    and hedge fund managers each paid $35,800 to attend. In October 2011, Obama hired
    Broderick Johnson, a longtime Wall Street lobbyist, to be his new
    senior campaign adviser. Johnson had worked as a lobbyist for JP Morgan
    Chase, Bank of America, Fannie Mae, Comcast, Microsoft, and the oil
    industry.Supported the $700 billion TARP corporate-welfare bailout just like Bush

    While Senator, Obama voted
    for the $700 billion TARP bank bailout bill. The bailout rewarded
    irresponsible and illegal behavior. It redirected resources from more
    productive uses to less productive uses. It punished the hard working
    taxpayers who had played by the rules and obeyed the law. It created
    horrible incentives, and sent the wrong message. The bailout was evil
    because it rewarded the bad people and punished the good people. No
    society that does this can expect to remain free or prosperous. Instead
    of bailing out these corrupt corporations, we should have let them cease
    to exist, like we did with Enron.Nominated a tax cheater to enforce the tax laws

    Obama nominated Timothy Geithner, a repeat tax cheater, to head the government agency that enforces the tax laws.Gave tax dollars to AIG executives, then pretended to be outraged

    Obama signed a stimulus bill that spent money on bonuses for AIG executives. Prior to signing this bill, Obama had said,
    “when I’m president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are
    not spending money unwisely.” However, after reading “line by line” and
    signing the stimulus bill that protected the AIG bonuses, Obama pretended
    to be shocked and outraged at the bonuses, and said, “Under these
    circumstances, it’s hard to understand how derivative traders at A.I.G.
    warranted any bonuses at all, much less $165 million in extra pay… How
    do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the
    company afloat?” and also said that he would “pursue every single legal
    avenue to block these bonuses.”Supported Bush’s unconstitutional Patriot Act
    In May 2011, Obama signed a renewal of the Patriot Act.Increased the national debt more in one term than Bush did in two

    The national debt increased more during Obama’s first three years and two months than it did during all eight years of George W. Bush’s presidency.Agrees with Bush’s support of unconstitutional, indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without filing any charges
    In December 2011, ACLU executive director Anthony D. Romero
    criticized Obama for signing a bill that gave the U.S. government the
    power to indefinitely detain U.SStole money from retired teachers and police officers

    During the Chrysler bankruptcy, Obama violated the Fifth Amendment
    and more than 150 years of bankruptcy law by illegally treating secured
    creditors worse
    than unsecured creditors. Some of these secured creditors were retired
    teachers and police officers from Indiana. Richard A. Epstein, a law
    professor at New York University School of Law, wrote,
    “Upsetting this fixed hierarchy among creditors is just an illegal
    taking of property from one group of creditors for the benefit of
    another, which should be struck down on both statutory and
    constitutional grounds.” Todd Zywicki, Professor of Law at George Mason
    University School of Law, wrote that Obama’s treatment of secured creditors was “dangerous to the rule of law.” The Economist wrote
    that Obama’s actions could “establish a terrible precedent. Bankruptcy
    exists to sort legal claims on assets. If it becomes a tool of social
    policy, who will then lend to struggling firms in which the government
    has a political interest?” Francis Cianfrocca, the CEO of Bayshore
    Networks, wrote
    that Obama’s actions were “an astonishingly reckless abrogation of
    contract law that will introduce a new level of uncertainty into
    business transactions at all levels, and make wealth generation more
    difficult going forward… An extraordinary uncertainty has been created
    when the most powerful man in the world can rewrite contracts and choose
    winners and losers in private negotiations as he sees fit. Since this
    is an unquantifiable uncertainty, and not a quantifiable risk, its
    effect on business and investor confidence will be large and
    unpredictable. As in the 1930s, a time when government also cavalierly
    rewrote private contracts, the prudent approach for business will be to
    invest minimally and wait for another administration.”Illegally put thousands of guns into hands of criminals
    In Operation Fast and Furious, the Obama administration ordered gun storeowners to illegally sell thousands of guns to criminals.Lied about putting health care negotiations on C-SPAN

    Although Obama had made a campaign promise
    to have all of the health care reform negotiations broadcast on C-SPAN,
    he broke that promise after he was elected. The secrecy of these
    negotiations was so strong that U.S. Congresswoman and Speaker of the
    House Nancy Pelosi (D-California) said, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” Lied about letting people keep their health insurance

    Before Obama’s health care reform was passed, he promised
    “If you’re one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have
    health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.” However, after
    the law was passed, 1199SEIU United Healthcare Workers East announced
    that it would drop
    health insurance for the children of more than 30,000 low-wage home
    attendants. Mitra Behroozi, executive director of benefit and pension
    funds for 1199SEIU stated, “… new federal health-care reform legislation
    requires plans with dependent coverage to expand that coverage up to
    age 26… meeting this new requirement would be financially impossible.”
    Also, after the law was passed, the Franciscan University of
    Steubenville dropped its coverage in response to the law. In addition, after the law was passed, Forbes reported
    “The House Ways and Means Committee has released a new report that
    sheds light onto how Obamacare incentivizes companies to dump their
    workers onto the new law’s subsidized exchanges.”

    Is this specific enough?  I can go on…

  • dirtygrl

     Thank-you!

  • Lori

    If you’re thankful for that wall o’text, much of it inaccurate, that looks like a cut-n-paste job from Red State you have really low standards.

  • dirtygrl

      “looks like a cut-n-paste job from Red State”…Exactly!  Just wanted to see what I would get…

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    That said, it doesn’t look good when the Obama Administration is awarding federal contracts to the likes of Halliburton and KBR, both of which have prima facie conflicts of interest because Dick Cheney and George W. Bush oversaw contract awards when they were in the executive office.

    In short, why keep giving money to the same fuck-ups that have been ripping off the US government since 2003?

    It does no good to deny Obama’s very real shortcomings and inconsistencies. Particularly when he avails himself of statements like “no country would ever tolerate another nation dropping missiles on it from above” (gee, hypocritical much, Mr. Drone Strike?)

  • David Lorae

    Wow a christian website supporting Obamas gay marriage and etc liberal stuff you guys are really good Christians (sarcasm)

  • EllieMurasaki

    You know, if you hadn’t added the ‘sarcasm’ tag, we would have thought you’re actually a decent person.


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