The Caymans are Switzerland’s route to the sea

“There is no doubt that the Romney administration would be able to claim — in the event of a Romney presidency — a democratic mandate for torture.”

“The former head of Israel’s spy agency criticized Romney’s policy on Iran.”

“[T]he military’s support has shifted toward Obama. Romney has consistently received little financial backing from military donors.”

“She isn’t publicly associated with the U.S. in any other way but she’s now named in this cable. It’s a danger to her life.”

“Syria is Iran’s … route to the sea.” — Mitt Romney.

The Romney ran aground in November 1804 while sailing to join the fleet off Den Helder. She broke up after attempts to float her off failed.”

“It’s been tough finding someone electable who doesn’t make me feel like I’m selling out my own unique vision. Thank goodness for Mitt Romney!

Mitt Romney is running, truly, for a third Bush term.”

“It says, quite loudly, ‘I do not want my tax exemption any more and am also a terrible dinner companion.'”

“We’re going to cut taxes on everyone across the country by 20 percent. Including the top one percent. … I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans.”

“These rich guys have more at stake because Obama has helped make them richer, which means they have more money with which to try and elect someone who won’t raise their taxes.”

“I’m thankful GM is still making cars. What else would I write about? I’d have no job without that.”

“Really, truly, the last thing we need to worry about is whether the Chinese love our bonds.”

“Coming during a fiscal crisis, that larger political shift, so perfectly reflected in Romney’s lying, should be viewed as a promising development.”

“It’s actually very bad economics to enshrine the private sector as the place from which all good things flow and conversely, the public sector as the evil one incarnate.”

“There is shooting yourself in the foot. Then, there is shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off the foot, placing it upon your head, and then shooting yourself in the foot and in the head simultaneously.”

“While it’s certainly Patriarca’s right to say and write what he likes, the lack of vetting by the Scott Brown campaign, and allowing him to speak for Brown in a TV ad for re-election to the United States Senate is disturbing, as are what appear to be Patriarca’s apparent misogyny, racism, and homophobia.”

“Whatever the case, the obvious conclusion — that the American Right has always contained, and continues to contain, both racist and extremist elements that act out in violent and repugnant ways, and that the current campaign is bringing them back into the mainstream of politics — simply can’t be true.”

“Arizona’s largest county puts wrong date on voter cards. Only in Spanish though. Wonder how that happened?”

“Walsh and Akin start with wanting an absolute ban on abortion, and reason back from that commitment to a world in which rape victims never get pregnant and and mothers’ lives are never threatened by a pregnancy.”

“Mitt Romney is no stranger to shifting positions on reproductive rights, but even for him, his latest move is audacious.”

“Under Romney’s preferred agenda, employers can end contraception coverage for their women employees, and millions of Americans would no longer be able to afford birth control.”

Utah is the most inegalitarian state, with its women earning just 55 cents for every dollar earned by a male Utah resident.”

Bishop ≠ pastor. There’s some overlap, but it’s like saying that a president is a mayor.”

I’m Mormon, and I’m voting for Obama.”

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  • Carstonio

    The idea that a woman’s chances of being raped are being greatly exaggerated by feminism is too ludicrous to take seriously. As if women hadn’t generally been treated as male property for most of human history, with rape considered a property crime until recent centuries, and women then and now being wrongly accused of leading on their assailants. Hell, even marital rape was excused on property grounds until the last century.

  • Tapetum

    Huh. I guess that major feminist site I hang out at, with several transgender moderators and/or commenters must be a figment of my imagination, because feminism hates trans*. As opposed to trans* hatred being part of a particular brand of feminist thought that a lot of us find repugnant.

    Dude – a lot of what your saying has the odor of “I hate trees! They all drop those pointy needles in the spring!” Ummm – no. Yes, there are trees that drop pointy needles in the spring. But you’re ignoring all the trees that don’t even have needles, let alone pointy ones that fall in the spring. Whole forests of them.

  • AnonymousSam

    For that matter, I’m pretty sure this thread has at least two feminists who don’t identity with binary gender labels…

  • JustoneK

    They must be lying, it’s a victim complex thing.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Yes, because it is so brave to admit my gender identity only in Internet spaces where I am reasonably certain my mother will never come.

  • JustoneK

    The idea that spouse abuse is equal across gender lines strikes me as odd, as the genders aren’t even equal in proportion.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Be careful how you define that. Paul Durant would be within his rights to note that the male:female ratio worldwide is approximately 1:1 (i.e. 50% male 50% female within statistical fluctuations barring gender-selective infanticide/abortion/pregnancy)

  • EllieMurasaki

    I’m pretty sure JustoneK meant the thing where average height for a US woman is 5’4″ or 5’5″ and average height for a US man is 5’9″ or 5’10”.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Fair enough. Durant just strikes me as the kind of person who tries to be a nitpicker in addition to blusteringly demanding that people “Right here. Right now.” tell him what exactly he said that was sexist.

  • JustoneK

    Ah, so the world owes him information, except when that information is obviously false then?

  • Carstonio

     

    You have a warped image of feminism that is literally just a creation of
    people you argue with on the internet and has nothing to do with it.

    Even

    Even

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Also, for the record:

    Tell me how I’m being sexist. Right now, tell me, how I am being sexist, in the actual words I said and arguments I used.

    Arrogant, demanding Internet Warrior douchebags rarely, if ever, get results using language like this. The fact that they fail to understand this is a source of some eyebrow-raising for me.

    I guess they really do buy into this idea that men just have to throw their weight around and they’ll get anything they want.

  • JustoneK

    It’s like Paul Durant just opened up the mad scientist convention doors and yelled out “PI IS EXACTLY THREE!”

  • BaseDeltaZero

    hey not all the things you said about this person are accurate, but of course he’s still a bad person

    I never said you’re a bad person.  I just said you’re making a fool of yourself.  Which, by coming in here and starting about feminist conspiracies, you kind of are.
    Don’t worry, though, the regulars are making themselves look *worse*.

    I already provided on that subject: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/…    http://www.genderratic.com/p/8…   and the list of 200 studies finding gender symmetry in DV, http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert…  (though they aren’t links). If you are trying to be the honest arbiter type, go back and just look at how much of the responses to me were decrying things I never said.

    Hmm.  It’d be nice to see the data for some of Martin’s individual studies, which I can never seem to find… but that is a *lot* of studies.  Yeah, they mostly use the CTS, but apparently, that’s extremely widespread in any event.  It’s not *impossible* that they’re all wrong (then again, someone kinda has to be wrong in this situation)…
    I mean, 300 studies *can* be wrong… hell, some might be on the same level as giving a truck to a monkey, but right now, I’d lean towards them being at least superficially correct… in  the sense that there is a roughly equal rate of simple assault among intimate partners, but severe abuse is significantly likely to be conducted by males.  Even the cited studies support this (though in the area of 20-30% vs 80-70%, not anything like 2-98%), and it does seem logically consistent.

    Yes, and that was his core mistake. It’s ludicious to suggest that kyriarchy or patriarchy eliminated the risk when these pretty much created the risk in the first place. The risk was almost entirely artificial, caused by giving men not only all the freedom but all the power.

    Well, sort of.  Women were not permitted to take any risk of their own, which, *despite the risk of victimization by their ‘protectors’* amounted to a sum lower amount of risk.  They’re ‘safe’ in the sense that a cattleman’s herd is safe.  Although, of course, this only really works until you start factoring in pregnancy…

    Plus, it really ought to be noted the ‘putting women on a pedestal’ thing is largely an invention of the pre-Victorian/Victorian era.  Before that, they were basically just considered scum that must regrettably be kept around for sex and babies.  The Titanic put women on lifeboats first, a ship two hundred years (let alone five hundred years) earlier would throw them overboard to lower the weight.

    The idea that a woman’s chances of being raped are being greatly exaggerated by feminism is too ludicrous to take seriously. As if women hadn’t generally been treated as male property for most of human history, with rape considered a property crime until recent centuries, and women then and now being wrongly accused of leading on their assailants. Hell, even marital rape was excused on property grounds until the last century.

    This… doesn’t make sense.  How rape was regarded in the past has no actual relation to whether or not the statistics are being inflated presently.  Your evidence and conclusion are both correct, but do not follow from each other…

    You didn’t do that, you came into the thread to say “Guys, did you know that the evil feminist are covering up male abuse?” You aren’t really saying anything substantive about the abuse of male spouses or whatever, you are trying to use it as a cudgel against the great Feminist enemy you see everywhere. The feminists that cover up crimes, the feminists that doctor numbers, the feminists that are “the ally of conservatives” because they ~warn women that a guy might rape them~

    This.  Pretty much this.

     Feminism doesn’t “warn women a guy might rape them”, feminism tells them every man is Schroedinger’s Rapist and they must live in fear at all times and they are a class of victims, by falsifying evidence until it supports their claims and becomes “common knowledge”. 

    I don’t really think that Schroedinger’s Rapist is really *perscriptive*, but rather *descriptive*.  Some women feel threatened by all men because they cannot be certain if they are dangerous – which is bad, not that all women *should* feel threatened by all men…

    That’s gender essentialism and complementarianism, what you just said. It isn’t much of a reach for me to assume that if you believe the above to be true (which you implied with further rationalizations about how it’s Just There and “benefits both”), that you also believe other aspects of gender essentialism including the idea that all women are essentially fungible creatures who behave according to emotion and illogic (as evidenced by people who create memes like “If you’re wrong, you’re wrong. If you’re right, she still thinks you’re wrong; you can’t win.”), and that men are fundamentally straightforward and logical.

    Yes, it is indeed a *description* of a gender essentialist ideology.  He’s saying ‘feminism *continues* to *percieve* women as innate victims of male action.  Not that they *should be*.  This is the crux of his percieved disagreement.  It is a system that restricts both.  It also provides ‘benefits’ to both, in the sense that there are some advantages to either proscribed gender role (active or passive).  Which is great, if you like those benefits!

    Also? Anyone who uses the term “misandry/misandric”? Likely got that from an MRA forum somewhere.

    Or a basic understanding of Greek.

    Because…they’re not incompatible at all?

    Technically not wrong, both he and What About Teh Menz could be wrong for believing in misandry, but… yeah.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I’d love to know who else besides MRAs use that term with that frequency.

  • BaseDeltaZero

    Not many people, probably.  But at most it only proves he’s been exposed to MRA websites.  That he happens to share some of the same arguments doesn’t necessarily make him the embodiment of evil.  He could afford to dial down the persecution complex a bit, though.

  • P J Evans

     If he’s going to flounce, maybe he should consider not coming back to see what effect his flounce actually had. Because that’s really making him look like a self-centered fool.

  • Carstonio

     

    Women were not permitted to take any risk of their own, which, *despite the risk of victimization by their ‘protectors’* amounted to a sum lower amount of risk.  They’re ‘safe’ in the sense that a cattleman’s herd is safe.  Although, of course, this only really works until you start factoring in pregnancy…

    My point was really about what risks women would face in a egalitarian society that they wouldn’t in a patriarchal society. Obviously people face lower risks if they’re prevented from taking risks of their own, but that would apply to both sexes. Our friend hasn’t explained what specific risks women would have faced without patriarchy.

    This… doesn’t make sense.  How rape was regarded in the past has no actual relation to whether or not the statistics are being inflated presently.  Your evidence and conclusion are both correct, but do not follow from each other…

    I was suggesting that the threat of rape for women has been a constant throughout human history because of patriarchy and male entitlement. Our friend implies that the threat has always been rare and that feminists are greatly exaggerating it to bash men.