7 things @ 9 o’clock (9.4)

1. “The International House of Prayer (IHOP), a New Apostolic Reformation ministry in Kansas City, Missouri, now has a ministry devoted to the workplace,” the Republic of Gilead reports. “The Joseph Company encourages believers to ‘make an impact for Jesus’ in the sphere of society in which they work.”

When these folks talk about making “an impact for Jesus,” they tend to mean it the way Constantine did. That name — “Joseph Company” — tells you all you need to know about IHOP. They’re faithful servants of Pharaoh, his loyal right-hand man, working hard to consolidate all power under his imperial throne to fulfill their ideal of “dominion” over all the seven pyramids. (Haven’t these people ever read the story of Joseph? It’s not a how-to manual, it’s the set-up for Exodus.)

2. It’s hard to believe that it’s been 20 years since Al Mohler set back Southern Baptist theological education by 60 years in the Great Purge when he took over as Southern’s seminary president. It was the academic equivalent of one of those Florida Marlins fire sales, except instead of unloading salary, Mohler was unloading credibility. Still, what remains a shameful debacle for Southern Baptists turned out to be a blessing for theology students all over the country, as nearly all of the supposedly apostate professors Mohler purged at Southern have gone on to great success, making impressive contributions elsewhere by doing the sort of work that Mohler would not allow and that he has worked hard to ensure no Southern Baptist is capable of.

3. Art Pope is a jerk. Art Pope is a jackwagon.

Yes, it’s sad to be reduced to name-calling. But, alas, Pope’s money insulates him from all other forms of accountability — political, legal, civil, moral, religious, cultural. And thus the only remaining check against the unchecked power of someone like Art Pope is ridicule and name-calling. There’s no way for the people of North Carolina to stop him from ruling their state like a monarch and from turning their democracy into a Pope-ocracy. All that is left is to try to make him a punchline and an object of universal scorn.

So, then. Ahem. Art Pope is a jerk, a complete kneebiter.

4. Our friend Mark Kessler, the “chief” of the one-man police force of Gilberton, Pa., has now been suspended indefinitely due to those violent, profane, racist YouTube videos he keeps posting in which he threatens to kill “libtards” and overthrow the government. Kessler remains a member of the local school board, however, still helping to shape the education of Gilberton’s children.

5. Here’s a depressing follow-up on an earlier piece of Good News. Remember “Operation Cross Country” — the massive FBI sting that “rescued 105 youth and arrested 150 pimps for prostitution in 76 cities”? Turns out that in many of those cases, being “rescued” involved getting handcuffed and arrested. Liberation: UR doing it wrong.

6. People laughed, assuming it was just a prank, when a monument to one of H.P. Lovecraft’s Old Ones appeared outside of an Oklahoma City restaurant. “In the Year of Our Lord 2012 Creer Pipi claimed this land for Azathoth,” the monument reads. I laughed too — until I learned that unkillable blood worms were infecting Oklahoma’s water supply. “You can take the worms out of the filter system and put them in a straight cup of bleach and leave them in there for about four hours, and they still won’t die.” Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn ...

7. Here’s an update on those blog-list tabs above: The Christian QUILTBlogs list includes 114 blogs. The Mosaic lists 242 blogs by Christians of color. And the Bonfire is spreading out of control. It now lists 2,031 blogs written by Christian women.



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  • aunursa

    Heads I win, tails you lose. If I’m right, then the voter ID law worked as intended. If Emcee is right, then the voter ID law still worked as intended. The provisional voters had two chances to vote: once on Election Day, had they shown their ID, and again afterward. Millions of their fellow Georgians were responsible enough to have their ID with them. Based on the 2012 Pennsylvania election, I expect that there were plenty of reminders to Georgia voters that they would need to show valid ID.

  • aunursa

    I notice you don’t comment on eliminating preregistration
    That’s correct, I don’t have the time to respond to every single point by every single commenter. When I’m 1 against 10, I pick and choose which points to respond to and the immediate topic is voter ID. I’m happy to discuss any of the other election topics with anyone who emails me at aunursa (at) Comcast (dot) net.

  • Lori

    This is not an issue of blindly accepting anything. Crist has reasons for being a Republican turned Democrat. Some of them are personal and some of them are about policy. This is one of the things about policy.

    Schlafly is discussing doing things to make it more difficult for Democrats to vote in order to increase the chances of Republicans winning elections.

    If Rob Gleason believed that ineligible voters were overwhelmingly Democrats and he thought he had hope in hell of proving it, he would have said that. He didn’t.

    You wouldn’t know “nice try” if it bit you in the ass.

  • Lori

    I guess this answers my earlier question—you really are this logic deficient.

  • Nathaniel

    Still haven’t addressed my article, cowardly petaQ.

  • aunursa


  • Over 1500 people had their votes invalidated because they couldn’t find the means to RETURN to the voting booth, and you think that’s something to celebrate.


  • Being homeless prevents you from getting an ID.

  • Piss off, you pathetic troll.

  • AnonaMiss

    I’d like to clarify something real quick here.

    Voter ID laws are not inherently disenfranchising. What is disenfranchising about them is that, in every state I know of, you have to pay for your ID card. And so the voter ID law in its majestic equality would require both the flush and the penniless to pay $20 every presidential election cycle (or so, depending on the state) to maintain their right to vote.

  • Andrea

    ID cards are free in Indiana.

    You still have to hope the hours and locations are convenient, but there’s explicitly no fee for an ID card for anyone who is otherwise eligible to vote. http://www.in.gov/bmv/2837.htm

  • Emcee, cubed

    And again, if they didn’t? Why should they be ineligible to vote? This is where you always come up short. Not having a photo ID shouldn’t make you ineligible to vote. There are huge numbers of people in every state who fit every requirement to vote, except they don’t have photo ID (or in the case of students, valid photo ID, since most of these laws won’t accept a college ID for voting.) It is an arbitrary requirement, with no actual need or meaning.

  • Emcee, cubed

    So you admit that the purpose of the law is to keep the votes of people without a photo ID from counting. And those people are primarily students, minorities, the poor and the elderly. You’ve just proven everyone else’s point.

  • AnonaMiss

    Nice! I stand happily corrected (for Indiana).

  • Rakka

    Nope, it’s Nyarlathotep. He’s the one who takes delight in frightening and baffling people, as simply driving them mad would be boring.

  • Wednesday

    L’Shana Tova!

    This reminds me, I need to get some apples and honey to share at work tomorrow…

  • Wednesday

    My uni has an “adopt-an-international-student” program, where you invite some international students Thanksgiving to your Thanksgiving dinner. I’m trying to decide if participating this year would be to much culture shock for whatever international students would get sent my way.

  • Donalbain

    Buying booze,

    Which of those is the defining right of a citizen of a country, one which we should be encouraging people to do?

  • P J Evans

    Like the NC county that consolidated three precincts (including the local college) into one, which is a mile from the campus by streets with no sidewalks and has 9300 voters and 35 parking places.
    That’s trying really hard to disenfranchise or at least discourage would-be voters, particularly ones who might possibly be inclined to not for for asshole Republicans like the ones who consolidated the precincts.

  • P J Evans

    and at least one Republican has said that he’s against abortion because those kids would have grown up to vote Republican. (Yes, the lack of logic there is astonishing.)

  • Lori

    I suspect this depends on a few things, including how great the language gap is and how you handle the duel holiday.

    If you’re going to keep the two holidays fairly separate you could invite the student for Thanksgiving dinner with a specific end time before sundown and hold off on the Hanukkah stuff until after s/he leaves.

    Alternatively, if clear communication isn’t a problem you could just say “That’s how we celebrate US Thanksgiving….and now for something completely different, ta da!, Hanukkah.”

  • Lori

    At least the GOP head of a NC county election board wasn’t able to declare students ineligible to run for office, and by extension to vote in local elections, using an on-campus address.


  • Wednesday

    #3: The Republican definition of “voter fraud” is “black people trying to vote.”

    And college students of all races voting where they go to school.

    Not to be all “whaa white people suffer too”, but in college towns, sometimes The Horrible Liberal College Students are considered more of a threat than racial minorities. Because they’re liberal! And live three whole months with their parents (unless they stay for the summer), so they should totally be voting there, rather than mucking up our local election by voting for candidates who support more state funding for higher education or protections for tenants or things that, you know, actually affect students while they are attending school out here.

  • Jessica_R

    I’m from NC so it’s both incredibly depressing to see how quickly Art Pope turned The Tarheel State into his private Neo Feudalistic playground and heartening to see how quickly the Moral Mondays movement has responded. It won’t be easy but NC citizens aren’t going quietly.

  • LL

    RE the Pope link: I’ve never quite understood how students are not considered residents. Aren’t you a resident of someplace if you maintain a residence there and live there some interval of time? In Texas, you’re a resident if you’ve lived there at least 30 days and have a residential address (which I guess means a house or apartment, as opposed to a hotel).

    I know I’m giving these assholes (the anti-student people) too much benefit of the doubt, but I have yet to hear an explanation of how students are not residents who are eligible to vote. Or do anything else a non-student resident would be able to do legally. Like drive. And pay taxes. And pay tuition to the state (if they’re attending a state university).

  • Shaenon K. Garrity

    I don’t think he holds any political position more coherent than, “Does it piss off those sissy liberals? Then I’m for it!”

    I mean, he can’t actually think the reinstatement of Jim Crow voting laws is either morally defensible or pragmatically a good idea. Can he? It has to be just another funny little “ha, ha, THIS will get liberals mad, they’re so stupid and girly they actually CARE about stuff!” game to him.

    Please reassure me that it is.

  • Lori

    I have no idea. He says that he votes his values, but I have no idea what values he’s referring to. Could be pissing off liberals. Could be power at any cost. Could be disenfranchising people who don’t agree with him. Could be a few other things.

    Any one of them says something very bad about him, but they all say a different bad thing. Your guess is as good as anyone’s.

  • It’s also issued through the Motor Vehicle Bureau. Do they have sensible source ID requirements and acceptable hours of operation?

    If not, then it’s just another right-wing fig leaf.

  • Lori

    Because Republicans never get abortions? What?

    You don’t have to be totally batshit to be a Republican, but it’s clearly not a disqualifier either.

  • Oh, ~values~

    You know, Republican leaders sometimes like to refer to their particular chunk of the electorate as “values voters”.

    I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what that says about you.

  • Oh wow 1586 people

    Out of a total eligible electorate of how many? You know, didn’t Republicans insist on these new laws because they claimed an absolute avalanche of ballots were being cast by people who shouldn’t have voted? 1586/some huge number doesn’t really strike me as much proof of some mythical wall of people just slavering at the chance to vote illegitimately.

    And how many ineligible ballots were tossed in the years prior to the new laws?

  • Oh my god you’re as bad as Ginny Bain Allen with her happy-clappy ^_^ BLESS YOU DEARIE IN THE NAME OF JESUS even as she’s off bashing gay people or something.

    (I mean seriously, it takes some chutzpah to toss off that kind of happy-clappy greeting to someone who’s just told you they aren’t real happy with you)

  • I don’t know how it works but some states play games with this where you can be considered resident for the purposes of voting but not for the purposes of accessing lowered in-state tuition.

  • P J Evans

    In a sane country, they’d have gotten provisional ballots and not had to come back. Not that photo ID should be required – you have to sign the voter roll anyway, if you’re voting in person, and sign the ballot if you’re not.

  • P J Evans

    California requires that you have a permanent residence to qualify for resident fees. I think you have to be a resident for at least a year. (My brother had to deal with this when he came back after two years in NY.)

  • Wednesday

    Soo… the issue of state residence is complicated. You can choose to maintain your Official Residence in a state you aren’t actually spending much time in so long as you pay taxes there as well as any states you’re earning income in.

    For example, I went to college in CA but maintained my homestate residency. (I was terrified of LA drivers, so didn’t change my residency in part because I’d have to take the driving test.) This meant I kept my homestate drivers’ license, voting registration, and payed taxes there as well as at in CA.

    As a consequence, though, I had to pay money to vote in one election. Not fifty cents for a stamp, but a good $40 or so. The senate candidate I had voted for died suddenly shortly before the election; getting my replacement absentee ballot counted required my spending $ to get the new ballot express-mailed to me and then express-mailed back to the county.

  • Jamoche

    A hotel worked for George Bush when he claimed to be a Texas resident for tax purposes back in the early 90s.

    But that was a different Texas that still thought the Bushes were Yankees.

  • Monala

    Furthermore, some of the voter ID laws being put into place seem to deliberately affect certain voters more than others. For example, states which will accept a gun license in place of a driver’s license, but not a state college issued ID.

  • aunursa

    Every state I know of that requires a photo ID for voting provides a free ID for those voters who cannot afford one. I think that an ID requirement without a free ID option would be declared unconstitutional.

  • aunursa

    HotAir, which cited the article I linked above, is a conservative website founded by Michelle Malkin and linked to Townhall.com. Its Editor-at-large is a frequent conservative guest on Fox News.

    Hot Air and other conservative sites don’t seem concerned that the increase in minority voting might result in more votes going to Democrats. Their only concerns are that eligible voters are allowed to vote and ineligible voters are not allowed to vote.

    What this showed was that legitimate voters who want to participate found voter-ID to be no barrier, even those who don’t usually show up to the polls with or without voter-ID requirements. That data utterly validates what advocates of voter-ID have always assumed — that legitimate voters of all ethnicities either already have state-issued photo IDs or would have no trouble figuring out how to acquire it, especially since states offer free ID to low-income citizens.

    Following your assertion about the motives of conservatives, rather than touting the increase in minority voting, HotAir and other conservative blogs should be disappointed in the increase and should be reconsidering their support for voter ID laws. Yet what’s happening is exactly the opposite. Your obsessive concern about the races of those affected by voter ID laws is not shared by Republicans, most Democrats, or even the minority voters themselves.

  • aunursa

    Out of a total eligible electorate of how many?
    About 13.6 million voted in Georgia.
    1586/some huge number doesn’t really strike me as much proof of some mythical wall of people just slavering at the chance to vote illegitimately.
    Even one ineligible vote dilutes the effect of every eligible voter’s choices. And there are several documented cases of elections being decided by one vote.

    The 2008 Minnesota Senate election was plagued by allegations of voter fraud. Republicans allege that more than 1000 felons voted and more than 100 people were convicted of voter fraud in an election decided by 312 votes. This election ultimately affected the passage of the ACA; had the Republican won, the ACA would not have passed.
    So yes, illegitimate votes do matter, and they do affect elections, and the results do affect the lives of people beyond the particular state or municipality.

  • aunursa

    If the Democrats were smart, rather than object to voter ID laws that are hugely popular among most of the electorate, they would see the writing on the wall, drop their objections, and instead support voter ID laws with the provision that such laws must include provisions to assist those eligible voters who have difficulties obtaining a valid ID, such as the homeless, so that they can obtain an ID.
    But I don’t expect that the Democrats are smart concerning this issue. Rather, I expect that they will continue to gnash their teeth and scream bloody murder as voter ID laws are enacted around the country.

  • Lori

    Your intellectual dishonesty would be truly breathtaking if I wasn’t so used to it. I have not focused on race. I have mentioned several times in this discussion that the goal was to make it more difficult for likely Democratic voters to vote, racial minorities being among those likely Democratic voters. You are the one who brought this up. You framed it in terms of racial discrimination because you though that would give you the best “got ya”. If someone here is obsessed with race it isn’t me.

    Moving on to the substance, such as it is, of your idiocy—-the thing that Hot Air (as always, I give them credit for truth in advertising) and Townhall and Faux and you have never answered is why Republicans are so obsessed with “preventing voter fraud” when it has been demonstrated again and again and again to be a nearly non-existent problem. Why are Republicans devoting so much effort to passing laws supposedly designed to solve a non-problem? Why are Republicans spinning so madly over a non-problem? Why are Republicans claiming that these restrictive voter ID laws aren’t a problem when people who are effected by them say that they are? And yes, minorities are concerned about these laws, no matter how you hand-wave it.

    If these laws do not have a partisan motivation why are the Republicans the only ones pushing them? And no, polls do not show that Democrats are as interested in this as Republicans. These laws are a Republican thing. And it doesn’t matter how many times that you say that the GOP wants minorities to vote Republican it doesn’t matter. Minorities don’t vote Republican and that’s not looking likely to change. Because Republicans mostly treat minorities like crap.

    Let’s suppose for a moment that restrictive voter ID laws have arisen out of totally benign motives on the part of the GOP. Why are they being packaged with other voting restrictions and changes that have nothing to do with fraud and have little effect but to make it more difficult for people to vote, such as redrawing precincts, restricting absentee voting and cutting early voting hours?

  • Lori

    This is your answer to everything. According to you the smart thing for the Democrats to do is whatever the Republicans want. Funny that.

  • aunursa

    You must be thinking of a different Republican Party. The Republicans I know have no interest in getting homeless voters to the polls or providing them with photo IDs. Same for getting most college students to vote.

  • Lori

    Even one ineligible vote dilutes the effect of every eligible voter’s choices.

    This high blown rhetoric would be a lot more impressive if you were half as concerned about the fact that making it difficult to vote results in eligible voters not getting to vote and the way that dilutes their choices.

    The 2008 Minnesota Senate election was plagued by allegations of voter fraud.

    Allegations of fraud don’t prove fraud, especially in a hotly contested election that the GOP lost.

    Republicans allege that more than 1000 felons voted

    Again, Republican allegations aren’t all that impressive. However, I’ll play along. If the GOP is so hot to pass legislation setting new rules for voting let’s talk about the issue of permanently stripping felons of their right to vote. There’s no good reason for that. It’s total bullshit. Is the GOP willing to take a more reasonable approach to this issue?

  • Lori

    No, Republicans certainly don’t care about helping people to vote. They love low voter turn-out, which says a great deal about the party and about its supporters, including you. You cry crocodile tears over diluting the votes of eligible voters while hoping for low turn-out.

    My point, which you are willfully misunderstanding, is that if I had a dollar for every time you said some version of “If the Democrats were smart they’d give in to Republican demands” I’d have a lot of dollars. It was never an impressive argument and over-use has rendered it extremely tiresome.

  • Lori

    I was terrified of LA drivers, so didn’t change my residency in part because I’d have to take the driving test.

    When was this? When I moved to CA I got a CA driver’s license by turning in my previous valid license and taking the written exam. I never had to take a driving test.

  • The very fact that there are detection mechanisms since well before this much-vaunted Republican desire to ensure the integrity of every vote means that your much-overblown fatuous rhetoric about an omgillegalvote deciding an election by one vote such that it cascades down the valley of floor votes in Congress is just that. Overblown fatuous rhetoric.

    Or did you forget that the ACA was passed under reconciliation rules, which only needed 51 senators not 60? (there were 57 Democratic senators at the time)

    AND it went back to the House which is where it was finally passed and *there*, the Dems had 255 seats and reconciliation rules meant only 218 votes were needed.