6 years ago: Lying liars

September 29, 2007, here on slacktivist: Lying liars

It’s not always easy to classify a false statement as a lie. Lying requires the intent to deceive, which is a difficult thing to prove. Journalists, therefore, are extremely cautious about using the L-word. Yes, they argue, President Bush is, indisputably, on record as saying hundreds of things that are not true. But these hundreds of false statements are not sufficient proof that he is a “liar,” only that he is someone who is very, very often mistaken, misinformed or deluded.

I could applaud this alleged journalistic concern for precision if reporters would follow its implications. Yet despite the abundant evidence, they refrain not only from calling the president a liar, but even from pointing out that his false statements are, demonstrably, false. They do not say that he is prone to stating falsehoods or that many of the things he says are simply not true. That suggests to me that they are not being careful and precise so much as they are simply being cowardly.

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  • LoneWolf343

    Speaking of liars, anyone who says what we had before the so-called “Obamacare” law was anything other than a scam is also lying.

  • J_Enigma32

    So what? It’s a bunch of statements made by Obama about the truth of the ACA. Nobody’s losing their healthcare unless they get it through a company and the company gets greedy and decides to cut it. in which case it’s the company’s fault, not his or the ACA’s.

    I wish you idiots would read the fucking thing, first. Damn, you people parrot the stupidest stuff.

  • EdinburghEye

    In 2003, Tony Blair got a majority vote in the House of Commons in support of the Iraq war, thanks to a dossier which could be shown then (and is proven now) to be a distorted set of lies / misinformation about Iraq’s military capacity.

    I doubt if it could be proved in a court of law that Tony Blair knew when he presented that dossier to the Commons that it was untrue. (Which is a shame, because deliberately misleading the Commons is contempt of Parliament, and Blair could be imprisoned in the Big Ben clock tower for doing so. In theory. Hasn’t happened since 1880. Ordinarily an MP who misleads the Commons is suspended from Parliament, but Blair hasn’t been an MP since 2007.)

    But according to ordinary standards of political behaviour, it doesn’t matter if Tony Blair knew the dossier was false or merely supposed that magically his researchers had found the exact information he needed to convince his MPs. The dossier was false. Blair’s Downing Street team were responsible for the dossier. Tony Blair used the dossier to get the vote he wanted to bring the UK into war against the very publicly-expressed wishes of the British people. Blair is responsible, both as Prime Minister and as leader of the Labour Party, and one reason I cannot support the Labour Party any more is they’ve refused to expel Blair from the party even though everyone knows what he did.

    Just so with George W. Bush, except that it’s a lot easier to believe Bush was just a deluded fool repeating what his handlers told him. Blair had huge flaws, but he wasn’t stupid. Still: Bush was supposed to be the man at the top of the heap, therefore the man ultimately responsible for the lies he was given to repeat.

  • P J Evans

    Heck, they haven’t even looked at it to know how many pages long it is. (906. With very wide margins.)

  • Hugh J

    Even back when those words were dripping out of this knothead’s piehole we new he was lying.

  • Jeff

    This series of trips down memory lane to those halcyon days of Bush animus actually serve as a pretty scathing indictment of the Obama presidency (or maybe that’s the point, and I’m being slow-witted by being the guy who points out the obvious?).

    One example: “The sequester is not something I proposed, it’s something that Congress proposed. It will not happen.”

  • Oswald Carnes

    Fuck you, lying liar.

  • It may well be the point — that not much has changed. When Bush was president, he could do no wrong. A guy doing much the same things Bush did, however, is the Antichrist.