On Clergy, NYFD, Bloomberg Not Budging

A couple of weeks ago, I noted that Mayor Mike Bloomberg was inviting neither clergy nor First Responders to the 9/11 Memorial service in NYC.

I thought public outcry might move the mule, but without any push from mainstream media, he is comfortably sticking to his guns. No clergy, no prayer, and there’s no room for the First Responders, either. Only a few will be there, by special invitation.

Making the point that the first recorded death at the WTC was Franciscan Father Mychal Judge, and that the sacrifices and energies of the clergy had earned their participation, I wrote:

Bloomberg’s priorities are all wrong. . . Mustn’t let the damn clergy murmur their vulgar prayers, or next we’ll have tent-revivalists cluttering up the fairgrounds and making such spectacles of themselves.

The big crowds for New Years Eve, or for the big parades, are alright, he thinks, but this is not for the riff-raff. Let’s just keep the invite list confined to those who know how to dress and how to behave, and which fork to use, and when.

A few emailers suggested that Bloomberg was not deliberately snubbing clergy, but that it was just “too complicated, too difficult” to arrange for a Priest, a Rabbi, a Minister and an Imam to each speak 30 words of consolation and blessing.

Like it’s never been done before.

Actually, all it takes to assemble and plan such an event is a little leadership.

Well the New York Times is finally writing about this:

This year, there will be six moments of silence, to acknowledge also the planes that hit the Pentagon and the ground near Shanksville, Pa., said Stu Loeser, Mr. Bloomberg’s press secretary.

“The structure for this program was designed 10 years ago, with the consultation of a lot of families of those who died, and it is primarily for the families,” Mr. Loeser said.

It is wrong to say the ceremony excludes prayer or clergy members, Mr. Loeser said. Chaplains for the Fire and Police Departments and the Port Authority police often attend, and “we think most people use those moments of silence for reflection and prayer,” he said.

Got that? It’s wrong to say the ceremony excludes prayer or clergy members, just because it excludes any specific references to prayer or, um…the presence of clergy members.

Why won’t people learn to just think as they’re told?

Father James Martin (who has written a very fine reflection as part of the USCCB’s remarkable collection of 9/11 essays) is not having any of that. Over at America, he writes:

. . .excluding clergy from the official public memory of the day is almost willfully ahistorical. The clergy were a significant part of the events surrounding the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, particularly in New York. To begin with, they were among the first groups to respond to the disaster at Ground Zero, with priests, ministers and rabbis on the ground . . e . since the 11th.) . . . Clergy from a variety of traditions provided guidance, comfort and solace for those seeking answers in the face of the death of loved ones, or simply in the face of tragedy. Religious organizations spearheaded charitable efforts both in New York and elswewhere. But most of all, the witness of the clergy on that day was embodied by Fr. Mychal Judge, O.F.M., who sacrificed his life in service to others. Fr. Judge, the Franciscan priest and New York City fire chaplain who was killed after racing into one of the burning towers to minister to firefighters, is listed as the first official casualty of the attacks on the World Trade Center: “Victim 0001.”

Dear Mayor Bloomberg, if you have managed to nettle the affable, unflappable and mild James Martin, S. J., the then you have really, really stepped in it.

Deacon Greg Kandra, who has a gift for putting the visual coda to any story, hits it out of the ballpark with this one: CLERGY NOT ALLOWED

Yeah, let’s keep the clergy on the other side of the fence.

Meanwhile, here is Archbishop Dolan, writing on the day. I am frankly surprised and disappointed that the NY Times reports him to be “untroubled” by the exclusion of clergy at Mayor Mike’s Memorial.

I really love and admire Timothy Dolan, but I feel like I want to grab his hand, announce “nobody puts Baby in the corner!” and haul him down to Lower Manhattan.

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  • kenneth

    I applaud Bloomberg for sticking to his guns. This ceremony is about honoring the memory of the victims. It belongs to no one else. Even Dolan apparently has the grace and good sense to see that. The only people who seem to have a problem with it are the culture warriors who seek to spin a persecution narrative because their religion isn’t being given the public deference to which they feel it is entitled.

    ["I didn't mind when they put the clergy behind the fences, because I wasn't particularly religious." Sensitivity must be a two-way street, or it is wholly an illusion. --admin]

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Because religious people don’t have the right to participate in the ceremony?

    Because a member of the clergy: Christian, Jewish or otherwise might not bring some comfort those there?

    Because clergy, such as Mychal Judge, weren’t among the first responders? (Oh, I forgot–the first responders aren’t coming, either.)

    Ah, yes, let us all bow our heads for 6 minutes of politically correct, non-denominational silence, as we all think about—well, something that’s not too religious, or too sectarian; hmmm, maybe just something nice, like tolerance, or multiculturalism. One could wonder just why Bloomberg is so opposed to clergy being there, during those 6 mintues—but no, that wouldn’t really be nice. We can all just hum “Kumbayah” instead. Or maybe “My Bonnies Lies Over the Ocean”, or “Row, Row, Row your Boat!”—something inoffensive, that everybody likes.

    Because the culture warriors, who wish to banish any, and all, reference to religion in the popular culture, even on a day commemorating 9/11 (when clergy like Fr. Mychal and many chaplains and priests did their best to help) feel entitled to call the shots here.

    (By the way—the clergy aren’t coming, first responders aren’t coming, most of the 9/11 families don’t seem to be coming—who the heck is actually attending this shindig, anyway?)

  • Paul

    I’m sure the politicians will be invited and will attend!

  • http://breadhere.blogspot.com Fran Rossi Szypylczyn

    This may be one of the best summaries (and sets of links) that I have read about this entire matter. It is a sad, sad day to see this unfold, tragically sad.

    And so very wrong.

  • Greta

    No one should be surprised by this. The left have wanted to remove anything that even hints of religion or morality in growing numbers. If you are part of the crowd responsible for the ongoing slaughter of life, having anything religious around must make you uncomfortable. Kind of like going to mass and having the sermon focused on your particular weakness makes you squirm a little in the pew.

  • kenneth

    How are religious people being “put behind the fences” or barred from participation in the ceremony? Because they’re being denied their “right” to the spotlight or exclusive rights to capitalize on the memories of our dead? Any number of religious leaders will be there, or were at least invited. They can offer the dead the honor of their silence and even their prayers, like anyone else present. It’s disgusting that some of them can’t bring themselves to set aside their egos or agendas even for those six minutes.

    The reasoning seems to be that clergy have somehow “earned” the right to use the graves of the fallen as a stage because they did their bit during the disaster. Well guess what? A lot of people from a lot of walks of life also gave their best, and more than a few gave their lives. Ordinary people, small business owners, union labor, you name it. Should we give the union guys or some trade association a few minutes to plug their cause during the ceremony? I think not.

    There are other times and venues we can honor the heroes and responders and the various threads of the American fabric that held up that day. A memorial for the dead is not that venue. There are plenty of other ways to give full honor to specific groups and people outside of the official ceremony. There’s no reason Fr. Judge couldn’t have a Mass and some sort of day of remembrance dedicated to him. For that matter, he may well be a decent candidate for sainthood.

    For those Christians who are still hung up on the concept of public prayer and entitlement to recognition, I would suggest they consult their religion’s policy manual under Matthew 5 and 6. It’s a memo from your CEO and founder which speaks directly to this very topic:

    “Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you”

    [Right, Kenneth. That's what it's all about. Public showboating. You get it. -admin]

  • Gail F

    Six “moments” of silence. That’s it. That is the approved response to the tenth anniversary of the horrific attack that changed everything???

    I don’t live in New York, I live in Ohio. But if I were ANYWHERE near New York City, I would be at one of the two masses Archbishop is holding for the occasion. I hope people pack those masses. I hope they stand in the streets because they can’t get in. I hope people of all faiths and none come to the masses, because six moments of silence is an insult to the memory of the people killed in the tours, and of the hundreds who died trying to help them.

  • Paul Rimmer

    I see no particular problem with this. It is a bit odd, but odder still is the lack of invitation for all the first responders.

    I think it’s best not to get religions involved with the official ceremony. Have the time for silence, and people can use it however they like.

    If they don’t want to be silent, they can pray and preach outloud in other places. Nothing is stopping them.

    It’s not all that bad or unfair, definitely not persecution. It’s just an enduring faux pas.

    But Anchoress reasons make no sense at all. The reasons wouldn’t apply also to the first responders.

    Nonsense article. All it does is spread bile and anger, to no real effect for anything. A waste of time reading it.

  • wewillneverforget.

    I really love and admire Timothy Dolan, but I feel like I want to grab his hand, announce “nobody puts Baby in the corner!” and haul him down to Lower Manhattan.

    Good Lord, how I second that emotion.
    I’m praying fervently in my Catholic ‘ born n’bred nyer’ way, that the Holy Spirit grabs his hand and whispers, “Walk this Way, Timothy, to Ground Zero.”

    We shall see.

    [Edited for intolerable language. Please do not call me "Liz." :-) -admin]

  • Confederate Papist

    Basically the whole situation is a testimony to society in general. God is a gentleman, if you ask him to leave, he will.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Paul, the whole darn thing is pretty odd.

    No clergy, no first responders. You know it’s funny; there was plenty of demand for both of them, on 9/11 itself, and plenty of room for them when the towers were collapsing, but now. . . oh, no, we can’t have them! After all, a “memorial for the dead” is no place for religion! No sireeee bob! Why, any Christians who might want to pray there are just exercising their own egos! And their own agendas! Which might get in the way of others exercising their own egos. And their own agendas. And we can’t have that.

    For the 2012 9/11 memorial, I doubt they’ll even allow the 6 minutes of silence. Might get in the way of somebody’s speech.

    If, God forbid, another 9/11 happens, the clergy and the first responders will be there, to help. And, in any memorials to come from said attacks, I predict that will be disinvited from those as well. After all, we have to make room! (For what, exactly?) And those awful Christians have—gasp, shudder, Arrrgh!—agendas! Plenty of room when the disaster itself is going on, but no room at all when the speechifying and politicking is going on.

    What were the politicians doing on 9/11? Whatever they did, this “memorial” has become about them. And no one else.

    Since 9/11 falls on a Sunday this year, I urge everyone to skip the official ceremonies, and the political bloviations; go to church, or worship any way you like, whether or not anyone approves, and remember the dead, and the first responders.

  • wewillneverforget.

    @#9

    Duly noted!! Elizabeth, it is!

    Bless from,
    Liz
    :>}

  • Sister Terese Peter

    “How are religious people being “put behind the fences” or barred from participation in the ceremony? Because they’re being denied their “right” to the spotlight or exclusive rights to capitalize on the memories of our dead?”

    Kenneth: I noticed that you used the term “right” in quotations to indicate that perhaps you do not believe that religious people have skewed views on what their rights might be. Hmmm…that is very strange because we religious people are always hearing about everyone else’s rights such as “gay” rights, “reproductive” rights, “marriage” rights, and on and on the list goes. However, none of these so-called rights are in the Constitution…but freedom of religion is. Interesting, isn’t it how one word can be manipulated to convey so many different meanings??

    I’m sure all those “religious” people who responded on 9/11, and particularly the Chaplain who was the first reported death, marched into those dangerous buildings with the hopes that there would be spotlights, cameras, and all sorts of media there so that they could capitalize on the whole ugly scenario. Only an equally illogical nincompoop would find logic in your view.

  • Mary

    Just because they weren’t invited doesn’t mean they can’t show up, IN FORCE, anyway.

    It’s not the politician’s memorial anyway. It’s the peoples. WE get to decide.

    Seems to me there is way too much “asking permission” and to little “asking forgiveness”….:)

  • ThirstforTruth

    I have no doubt that the Mayor thinks his exclusion of the clergy as well as the NYFD is right and proper. But Archbishop Dolan? That I DON’T understand! On September 11, 2001, some asked “Where is God”? Many understood Him to be there in the midst of this war-zone. On September 11, 2011, if they ask “Where is God”? we can honestly answer “He wasn’t invited”!!! Bloomberg couldn’t fit Him into
    his plans! In all due respect, it would not be a bad idea for Archbishop Dolan to make his presence felt..invited or not ..his presence would be welcomed by all who mourn the loss of over 3000 lives. By the way, does anyone know if the clergy are invited or excluded at Shanksville? at the Pentegon?

  • http://www.azoic.com/ Irenaeus of New York

    All Abp Dolan had to do was stage his own event inviting all those neglected (including those who love and depend on God). It would have outdrawn the “official” event.

  • Mr. Human

    ThirstforTruth:

    The promulgators of superstition (“clergy”) have been excluded from all official 9/11 events. Americans are evolving beyond the old wives tales and ancient superstitions; don’t need you any more.

    It looks like Tim Dolan got the memo and will be hiding in his cathedral. Tear gas and the billy club make for a painful day.

  • http://jscafenette.com/ Manny

    I am soooo disappointed in Bishop Dolan. He’s losing me. This is strike two. His half hearted response to the gay marriage issue was strike one. New Yorkers want a fighter. He has come across as so tepid and weak. I doubt Dolan will ever be as beloved as Cardnal O’Connor from back in the 90s.

  • http://www.patrickomalley.com Patrick O’Malley

    To put things into perspective, about 3000 people were killed in the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

    Over 10,000 children have accused priests of child sex abuse at the hands of Catholic priests in the United States alone, in an act called “soul murder”, since the child never fully recovers, and they never have the same faith in God. The number is likely 3-5 times that number, since people like Archbishop Dolan immediately try to fight and discredit the victims. Just last month, he discredited the victim when a 16 year old girl came forward to accuse a priest of inappropriate contact.

    The Catholic League and their $399,000 a year front man immediately trashed her, even though the priest himself admitted to massaging her (and why, in God’s name, is a priest massaging a girl) and blamed her for wearing very short skirts. Dolan republishes the Catholic League bashing on his blog.

    Two of the biggest, loudest mouths in the Catholic church immediately discredit a poor, little 16 year old girl from the Bronx when she comes forward with the umpti-thousandth case of priest predator attacking child.

    Think that will stop other victims from coming forward? You bet. Great legal strategy. Horrible church.

    Catholic priests, stay away on 9/11. We’re trying to forget one enemy. We don’t need to be reminded of another.

  • Barbara

    I saw Cardinal Egan interviewed about this. He doesn’t seem to be upset about it at all. Claims the event is secular and he would like not to remark upon secular matters. Then he went on to discuss the various Masses that will be held in the city to mark the anniversary. Very gracious guy.

  • Mary De Voe

    This year, there will be six moments of silence, to acknowledge also the planes that hit the Pentagon and the ground near Shanksville, Pa., said Stu Loeser, Mr. Bloomberg’s press secretary.
    Bloomberg is honoring the planes full of terrorists. Maybe Bloomberg wants to thank the terrorists for attacking the USA.
    @Patrick O’Malley. The Catholic Church and canon law does not prevent, preclude, prohibit nor deny a victim, any victim to seek Justice in the civil courts. If the civil courts cannot determine that a crime has been committed that the state must prosecute, how do you accuse the Catholic church? It is the state’s mandate to prosecute crime. The Catholic church can only deal with personnel through canon law. The settlement through indemnity insurance is always on the table, but first a crime must be proved. You do believe in the Rule of Law? at least for yourself?

  • Mary De Voe

    @Manny: Why aren’t you helping Bishop Dolan. It is easy to sit back complain and criticize. The American Psychiatric Association, the same doctors??? who sent the predators back to the flock are now seeking in Baltimore Maryland to regularize intercourse between adults and minor children. Bypassing parental consent and informed sexual consent of the infant children, the psychiatrists are petitioning the court and finding legal loopholes to enact and legalize adult, infant homosexual behavior, children as young as six months old. The Catholic church has spoken. Is anybody out there listening? Get off your duff and do something before Sodom and Gomorrah moves into your bedroom and Obama, who has signed Executive Order 13575 Rural Councils takes your bedroom at eminent domain without there being a need for public seizure of private property, to make sure all children are sodomized or aborted.

  • Mary De Voe

    @Thirstfor Truth: ” On September 11, 2011, if they ask “Where is God”? we can honestly answer “He wasn’t invited”!!! Bloomberg couldn’t fit Him into his plans.”
    The Person of God and the Person of Jesus Christ are disenfranchized of Their unalienable civil rights. “We hold these truth to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed, except the Person of God. The atheist has spoken. “I reject my unalienable, endowed rights for me and for all of you.” As a human being, the atheist did not always reject our Creator and his AND our unalienable rights. The atheist rejected God when he decided to use his finite free will to repudiate Infinite LOVE and the atheist is free to do so. What the atheist is not free to do is to usurp the free prerogative of free men as he has done using the Supreme Court. The atheist’s freedom ends where my freedom begins. The public lands and public places belong to each and every citizen in joint and common tenancy. Bloomberg does not own New York but he is a servant of the people. The atheist does not own the people nor the peoples’ freedom.
    Bloomberg is honoring the “planes” read “terrorists”. Does anybody really want to attend such a miscarriage of Justice?

  • Mary De Voe

    @Kenneth:Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” Yes, I get to make that choice. I get to exercise my prerogative, not anyone else, but me and my freedom and free will. Please read the Declaration of Independence and do not exercise my religion for me. Religion is mans’ response to the gift of Faith from God. So, how does the atheist respond to my gift of Faith from God for me???
    The atheist makes finite rules and decisions for my immortal soul and the idolators worship the atheist for it.
    God bless.

  • Mary De Voe

    @Sister Terese Peter.
    I wish I could have said that.
    God bless again and again…and again.

  • Mary De Voe

    @Rhinestone Suderman: “we can’t have them! After all, a “memorial for the dead” is no place for religion! ” The ACLU is removing crosses from veterans’ cemeteries and memorials across the country. Never mind that this is the veterans’ last will and testament and that they trust us to lay them to rest, to lie beneath a cross. Perhaps the souls of the victims of 9/11 will not rest until they visit Bloomberg and shake his bed tonight.
    God bless

  • Mary De Voe

    Confederate Papist
    Basically the whole situation is a testimony to society in general. God is a gentleman, if you ask him to leave, he will.
    God was not asked to leave. God’s unalienable rights are denied to HIM and to each and every person who lives in The United States of America.
    God bless.

  • Mary De Voe

    And by the way, unauthorized use of my prerogative, my choice in the exercise of my civil rights is stealing. The atheist does not believe in God nor in the Rule of Law.

  • Mandy P.

    “Any number of religious leaders will be there, or were at least invited.”

    No they won’t and no they weren’t. That’s the point of this whole piece or did you miss that part? Guess who else wasn’t invited. First responders. You know, those folks who lost entire units and brigades of their fellows while trying to save others. Guess who else wasn’t invited. The vast majority of the families, that’s who. A handful of them were invited to give this monstrosity an air of legitimacy, of course. But we can’t have too many of those folks or there won’t be enough room for the scores of politicians and dignitaries that simply must attend. You know, the important people.

    This whole thing is shameful.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    And Patrick O’Malley tries to move the goalposts entirely, by dragging in the pedophilia scandal. As if that had anything to do with Bin Ladin, 9/11 or the collapse of the Twin Towers, trying to convince us that the slaughter of 3,000 is, somehow, equivalent to these sex abuse accusations.

    Stay classy, Patrick.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Yes, I know—the atheist lecturing Christians on how they should believe.

    (Actually, the atheist simply throwing a bit a scripture around, hoping we’ll all just hush up, already!)

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    But—but Mary!

    How can you be so heartless, when poor little 16 year old girls are being abused? And not just any 16 year old girls—girls from the Bronx!

    /Okay, sarc. off.

    I suspect thanking the terrorists, and commemorating them, will start around the time of the 2013 or 2014 memorials. By that time, there won’t even be 6 minutes of silence. Maybe everybody will sing a song in praise of Mayor Bloomberg instead, or listen to the Islamic call to prayer. Whatever they do, it will be an utterly silly, and meaningless, performance. Maybe the Kardashian clan will show up to lecture us all about empowerment.

    And if, God forbid, there are any future 9/11′s—oh, trust me! The powers that be will then find plenty of room for the clergy, and first responders! As Kipling would have said:

    “Oh, it’s Tommy this, and Tommy that, an’ chuck ‘em out, the brute!

    But it’s ‘Savior of ‘is country!’ when the guns begin to shoot!”

  • walden

    Elizabeth Scalia: well said. As far as Kennet and O’mally, I have to say that in the Catholic Church crimes were commited in Her name, we acknowledge that. The Church under Pope Benedict 16, is cleaning the filth, from there I would like to say that , the religion of secularism with their laws of virtue: Abortion on demand, homosexuality, Pedophilia (as long as you are not a catholic priest), Money and power(Bloomber). These immoral secularist church have infiltrated all our institutions for their dastard aims(hedonism). We are busy cleaning it. For these secularist church , countless fellow christian have pay with their lives so that, they can continue uninterrupted in their weakedways. I say: you shall not pass. We will never forget;Nor the islamist criminals nor the sodomits

  • Maureen

    The point is that, when somebody dies, the job of remembering and praying for the dead and dealing with grief among the living is the job of religion. Secondarily, it’s the job of psychologists, artists, and so forth.

    You never say to yourself, “Oh, my mom just died, I’ll call the mayor and the state treasurer for comfort in my time of trouble.”

    So yeah, the politicians are the ones who are only there as representatives of people wanting to show their respects. Running the ceremony should be for those still grieving, and for religious professionals, and for others skilled in providing comfort. Making it all-politicians means that it’s not really a memorial service, but a political rally.

  • Tom T

    And the question is, where was Archbishop Dolan in all this???? Well he was probably at a meeting. At least that is where he was when his good friend Cuomo who goes around bragging about the picture he has hanging on the wall of his office of the two of them shaking hands as though it were some kind of imprimatur, when he shoved his gay marriage bill through. It seems whenever it comes to a well known politician and a contoversy, Archbishop Dolan is missing in action. There seems to be a great deal of anti Catholic and anti religion expressed here, however, that dose`nt surprise me given the secularistic, atheistic and hateful divisive climate we live in today, but then has anything really changed that much in two thousand years? They will always be with us until the end in one form or another. Pax

  • ThirstforTruth

    It is heartening to know that we here in Pennsylvania know how to speak power to truth. Just caught the memorial today
    in Shanksville, Pa. as Father Coughlin, the chaplain in 2001 in the US Capitol, giving the invocation! Perhaps those in NYC might learn a lesson on how to be truly grateful.
    @ Mr Human…I suspect you use the tragic event of the clergy sex scandal to smear anything and all things religious.
    Such tunnel vision will never bring you peace nor will it cause others to lose theirs.

  • ThirstforTruth

    @ Patrick O’Malley….I should have ncluded your rant in my
    above as well as Mr Human…but I decided not to address
    you ever again regarding matters religious or spiritual…ever
    since you admitted yourself to be a pedofile on a Catholic blog.I pray you seek God’s forgiveness for such hateful deviancy while you still can…and for others to ignore your
    bigoted comments.

  • ThirstforTruth

    Well, good people, there IS an election coming up in just a little over a year. Perhaps currying favor by allowing the politicians their time in the limelight, one wll be “owed” the good Archbishop. It’s ALL about politics …even now the tragedy of 9/11…and far too often the actions of the hierarchy. God is not needed at the moment…the poet Kipling quoted above had it right If you are feeling a little
    power-less here do not dispair. The power of the powerless
    is where all our faith and hope are grounded.

  • http://www.pilgrimage.subcreators.com Lori Pieper

    To Archbishop Dolan’s detractors, let me point out that he was not at just any meeting in the days preceding the NYC gay marriage vote. He was chairing the annual meeting of the USCCB as its president. A necessary part of his job set months in advance. And what kind of naivete is it to think that just because he made only a brief public statement on the vote, he therefore did nothing? Do we know how many phone calls he might have made to lawmakers privately? I wouldn’t be surprised if he did this, as it’s bound to be much more effective. One good reason for actually cultivating relationships with politicians. Archbishop Dolan is a smart guy.

    He is a very hands-on bishop here in New York; he has made his thoughts known on many subjects, and has defended the Church on some very controversial issues, which is the very reason so many in the media are now attacking him.

    Mr. O’Malley failed to even mention the stated reason Abp Dolan published Mr. Donohue’s press release on his blog; it was not to “discredit the victim,” but because it refuted SNAP’s false accusations against him; they had claimed that he was involved in “covering up” an accusation of abuse that had only just been made – made to the police, not the archdiocese. Dolan had no opportunity to learn of it before the police did.

    SNAP has lived up to its name by becoming a pack of rabid attack dogs, snapping at and biting anyone and everyone without reason, as long as they are on the orthodox side. They are hand in glove with Voice of the Faithful and other dissident groups. Does anyone really believe this is about protecting the kids and helping the victims anymore? It’s all ideological now. Anyone who participates in this kind of thing should be ashamed.

  • ThirstforTruth

    @Lori Pieper….some points well taken re the role of Abp Dolan and New York politics! I think those objecting to the statements made by the good Abp regarding the topic of this blog were based upon perhaps just that….acting more the politician than the shepherd! But as you state we never have all the facts and in this case we should therefore perhaps “cut him some slack “! But the day of accepting a Bishop’s word on strictly the exalted position is over! Thanks to the abuse scandal and what is now known as a cover-up by many members of the USCCB. They, as a group, have lost their credibility and thus the once assured trust of the sheep!

  • newton

    “(Actually, the atheist simply throwing a bit a scripture around, hoping we’ll all just hush up, already!)”

    Remember this: this one’s learned from the best! The Devil knows how to throw Scripture around, too. (Matthew 4:5)
    ;-)

  • Tom T

    Lori Pieper, With all due respect madam, I am not impressed with the USCCB and further more I don`t
    live in NY and can only go by what I read in the newspapers and other publications. The New York Times wrote, and I quote, ” It was befuddling to gay rights advocates: The Catholic Church, arguably the only institution with authority and reach to derail same-sex marriage seemed to shrink from the fight. As the marriage bill hurtled toward a vote, the head of the church in New York, Archbishop Dolan, left town to lead a meeting of bishops in Seattle,”(which could have been reschedualed, my words), “he did not travel to Albany or deliver a speech in the final days of the session. And when he did issue a strongly worded critique of the legislation-he called it
    “immoral” and an “ominus threat” and it was over the phone to an Albany radio station. Pub June 25th
    There is a Cathedral and a bishop in Albany, Bishop Hubbard where Abp Dolan attends sometimes
    who allows Gov. Cuomo to the delight of the liberal media to recieve Holy Communion even though he is a strong supported of abortion, pushed through gay rights bill and never mind his live in girlfriend even though he is divorced, and the silence from Abp Dolan is deafening. Now your correct. I don`t know what goes on behind the press, but from all that I see and read, as a leader I think New York deserves better. Pax


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