What does Vatican II mean to you…

… Please allow me use this visual aide to answer the above question.

Now it’s your turn. Take their poll and don’t be shy. I’m sure they are dying to hear what orthodox Catholics really think.

About Katrina Fernandez

Mackerel Snapping Papist

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V7NATYZZBUQBAHCFH2ZBTVEZHI AllenT

    I submitted my answers, although I don’t think they will like some of them.

  • http://twitter.com/ExSimon Simon D

    Here’s what I said about “If Vatican II had never happened, the church would be”: ”Significantly stronger. Not as strong as she was before—it must not be forgotten that the Church didn’t cause the 1960s and would not have escaped them unscathed—but it is desperately unfortnate that at the time when Catholics most needed the Church to stand firm against a rapidly-shifting world, the Church dived into the world with gusto. Many of Vatican II’s reforms—the real ones, not the ones falsely-attributed to it—were wise in content, but desperately unfortunate in timing.”

  • Kat Wagner

    That was fun, but very hard to answer some of the questions because “Vatican II” seemed to mean something different than what it is.

  • http://twitter.com/fierceCatolica Elisabeth Heredia

    Oh, that was fun! I gave them my exact opinion: the reforms of Vatican II were never correctly implemented.

  • Zach Weiss

    In space under “12. One thing that Vatican II failed to sufficiently address is:” I wrote this:
    The role of monasticism and orders within the Church such as the Jesuits and various congregations of nuns. In light of the shameless heresy and rebellion in the LCWR it would have been good to nip this one in the bud.”

  • robertgwirth

    I was 18, finished 12 years of Catholic education, and at the university before the council sat.  I saw its effects — or, more accurately, the effects of its distorters — almost everywhere, starting about 1964.  I could tell you stories . . . .
    Thanks, Kat!  Bless you!

  • http://profiles.google.com/christinehebert65 Christine Hebert

    I was born in 1965.  The effect of Vatican II on me was a complete lack of catechesis.  I neither knew nor understood y faith and I have watched as countless people my age have left the church for the feel good kumbaya church down the street because they neither knew nor understood their faith.   I do not recall Mass in Latin, but I do recall more reverent NO Masses and certainly better dressed people at church.

  • drea916

    I took that survey the other day. I thought it was put on by some diocese. I did notice that there was just the two extreme schools of thought. I did my best and was honest. Now I think that they won’t like my answers. Funny, cause if they see my age, they might scratch their heads. Yeah, there are people that are cool with V2, but didn’t like how it was carried out. No, I’m not a huge fan of Latin Mass, but I think it should be available. Yes, I’m a woman, and I don’t think there should be women priests. I don’t think I’m going to fit into either of their molds. They seem to think either you’re for women priests/gay “marriages”/clown Mass or you’re for Latin Mass everywhere all the time/have every baby you can pop out.

    • James H

      drea916, you’ve got it!

      I’m fed up with being tarred as a pro-abortion, communist, pro-buggery, pro-priestess, Latin-Mass-hating, clown-mass-attender just because I don’t mind guitars at Mass. Gets my goat, so it does.

  • julie

    Still trying to figure out the “claim your wholeness” banner in this photo. What the heck does that mean?

  • kirthigdon

    As a member of the Church, I adher to the Second Vatican Council and think it has been pretty well implemented, given human limitations and the fact that implementation is still on-going.  I don’t consider the failure to adopt every wild idea that was tossed around in the wake of the Council to be a failure of implementation nor do I blame the Council for every problem that the Church has had since.  The problems in any event are far outweighed by the successes.  Finally, I don’t consider the Council to have been the most important event in the history of the Church or the world, though it may have been the most important in my lifetime.  I tried to convey all of that in the survey.

    Kirt Higdon

  • Amy

    Did anyone else let them use your name?

    • nitnot

      yes and no … I used a “nom de net” that I use exclusively for internet purposes.  Real name?  No way, Josita.

    • Ink

      Pffft no.  I actually didn’t even put in a name… but I did want them to know my location.  Oh yes.

    • James H. London

      Of course! 

  • Contra Mundo

    Its too bad that most people who talk about Vatican II have never looked at a single document from that Council. They might see stuff orthodox quotes like: “In this Church of Christ the Roman pontiff, as the successor of Peter, to
    whom Christ entrusted the feeding of His sheep and lambs, enjoys supreme, full,
    immediate, and universal authority over the care of souls by divine institution.” from Christus Dominus. People who speak about the “Spirit of Vatican II” seem to fall into one of three categories: 1. Willful distortion 2. Too lazy to research/think for selves 3. Too trusting of 1/2

  • MaryW

    To the question “If Vatican II never happened”, for part of my answer I stated the Church would still be the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ.

    Liberal priests distorted the meaning of following one’s conscience when you should actually be following a FORMED conscience.  That’s why you have people like Pelosi saying it’s ok to kill babies and recognize same-sec marriage, ’cause their conscience told them so.

    I was a young adult during that period of time and went off the rails.  It was several years before I returned to the Church, thanks to Blessed John Paul II papacy.

  • irishsmile

    Vatican II was a pastoral council, not a binding council.  I am surprised that this is rarely mentioned.  I read the Jeffers publication of the Vat II docs many years ago; seemed OK in ther main.  However, through the horrific abuse entitled the  ”spirit of Vatican II”, I have read absolute garbage and by some claiming to be theologians.  As the mother of 5, one is a priest, and all have college degrees, I can assure you that the abuse of the documents has led to abominable catechisis for our children (a lost generation); liturgical abuses galore including ridiculous cowboy, puppet, goddess, and rainbow masses; and an unbelievable loss of the Sacred. 

    • James H

      I’m 42, I’ve attended Masses in South Africa, UK, Austria and Ireland, and the only place I’ve ever even heard of ‘clown masses’ is from anti-Vatican II commenters.