Marini to be named Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship?!?!?

… Is your bar stocked? It’s gonna be a long papacy.

Looking at the bright side; if the rumors prove to be true at least that Bad Vestments blog might get regularly updated now. I’ll just be staying drunk till the next conclave, m’kay.

Around the web: Archbishop Piero Marini: ‘Civil Right’ to Unnatural Unions and from 2010, Good Article on the Papal Master of Ceremonies, Once the Modernist Gloss is Wiped Away.

“Love for the poor and the divine liturgy go hand in hand, love for the poor is liturgy” (Pope Benedict XVI, 1 October 2008).

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  • Thomas Boynton Tucker

    UGH

  • Bernard Fischer

    That rumor was around a couple of months ago

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      And it’s picking up speed now.

      • http://eacafe.blogspot.com/ Oo_oc_oO

        I’d suggest it would’ve been more prudent to wait for an actual announcement. Have a good weekend.

        • Gordis85

          I so agree.

          • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

            But hysteria induced vodka chugging is so much fun.

  • Bernard Fischer

    Time to head to the Melkites, then

  • Long-Skirts

    It’s up to us!

    THEY
    HAVE
    NO
    SONS

    They have no sons
    Of spirit or body
    Oh, perhaps illegitimate
    For those proud and shoddy

    They have no sons
    Of spiritual repute
    And their Flesh-less words
    Dwell to dispute

    But we have sons
    Of souls and mortal
    Manning, guarding
    The Barque’s every portal

    While Son-less men
    Lie like whores
    Forever in fornication
    With the lion who roars!!

  • Long-Skirts

    and BTW, would somebody please Mirandize the Pope:

    “You have the right to remain
    silent; anything you say can and will be used against you…”

    • Nan

      Do they use the Miranda warning in Vatican City?

  • tj.nelson

    … Is your bar stocked? It’s gonna be a long papacy.
    BEST LINE EVAH!
    I drink for the Olympics however.

    • Gordis85

      I am looking forward to growing old with Papa Francis as I have much to learn from him. I hope Papa Emerito will still be there with us as well.
      Love them both!

      • AugustineThomas

        Hopefully you don’t learn to love heresy more than orthodoxy from Jose!

  • Deb. Thurston OCDS

    1) I don’t understand why people are surprised. He had his job interview months ago, and it was widely reported in the Catholic press. 2) I don’t understand why all the hand-wringing. Everyone expected Mons. Guido to get a pink slip, but lo and behold he’s still on the job and seemingly indispensable. 3) I don’t understand why all the boo-hoo-ing and boozing. Planning a liturgy and running a Congregation are two entirely different things. Pray, sacrifice, trust, and obey… in doing this we save souls!

    • Illinidiva

      I think that having two Marinis with two different ideas about the liturgy working for him would amuse Francis greatly. And the fact that Francis and Marini II get on as much as they do is interesting. I guess that Marini II must be very good at his job and able to adapt easily to Francis’ style.

      • Deb. Thurston OCDS

        I think that they’re all gonna have a big ol’ party all the time. I don’t know what all this anguished grumbling is all about.
        People need to seriously chill out and plan for an attitude adjustment. I recommend prayer. Prayer, sacrifice, trust, and obey will save souls. Grumbling, complaining, sniping, and backbiting will not save a flea, I’m pretty sure of it. Leave out the booze, we’ll be fine.

        • Gordis85

          Amen!

        • Athelstane

          All of these are good to undertake for our spiritual lives, regardless of what things are unfolding in Rome.

          But in all truth, nothing could make a Marini appointment anything but a disaster. But it would not be the first disaster the Church has inflicted on itself. If we survived the Renaissance Princes, we can survive this.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

        I like having two Martinis.

      • Gordis85

        He defended Marini II against those who were trying to get him to sack him. I like the two of them working side by side. I am not impressed with the old Marini I. Rumors…gossip! Papa Francis had some good advice too about gossipers…his sermon can be found on the Vatican website.

  • Jadissock

    Man proposes: God disposes.

  • Flunking_retirement

    How old is he anyway?

    • Joy Niklas O F-s

      71

  • Katalina

    Right now all this seems to be is an unconfirmed rumor, we will just have to wait and see. I don’t think Francis to be on the bad side with Benedict but just he does go ahead and try to himself turn the clock back the 70′s and 80′s with this he will be too late the Reform of the Reform is already gaining steam and trying to go back to the old banal days I think will not only alienate the younger generation of clerics and faithful it may even cause a Schism like the SSPX. Is that what he really wants?

    • James Kohn

      the sspx are not in schism

      • Illinidiva

        The SSPX are in schism. Rome gets to decide who is and isn’t in schism.

        • James Kohn

          Your in over your head on this one. Please give one, just one pronouncement that makes any sort of validation to your statement. The Vatican has stated on multiple occasions (By the CDF and Ecclesia Dei) that they are not in schism. If you would like I will give you the most recent document issued on this matter, can you do the same? My guess is no…so back up your follies

          • Illinidiva

            How is the non-canonical group led by formerly excommunicated bishops not in schism? Frankly, I hope Francis just kicks them to the curve rather than playing footsie with that group.

          • James Kohn

            wow charity in action… and what exactly are they teaching that is wrong, exactly what do they disagree with that holds authority and must be adhered to? If you spent more then 5 mins looking into the SSPX you would realize they practice the faith as it was always practiced… they accept VII on every aspect which it claims to hold binding influence over the Church (which by the way is only in the things that had been defined before the council which John XXIII, Paul VI, JPII and Benedict all confirmed was the case of this council). There are forces within the church that do not want to see the SSPX receive canonical status because they are content with the way things are going. Now I disagree with the consecrations in ’88 but thats irrelevant to them right now seeing as the excommunications (whether ever valid or not) were removed.

          • Illinidiva

            Sorry.. I have very little charity for such an intolerant group.. And anti-Semitism is a feature of the group.

          • James Kohn

            garbage what anti semistism? what does that word even mean to you? Was St. John Chrysostom anti Semitic? intolerance is a relative word… you have no response and you show your true stripes that you are in over your head

          • James Kohn

            do you even know what Williamson questioned in the first place or do you just buy into what people say before you do your own homework? My guess is the former.

          • Illinidiva

            He was questioning the Holocaust.. He downplayed the systematic murder of over 6 million Jews.

          • James Kohn

            He didnt question whether the Holocaust occured, so you are wrong there, read what he actually said. He questioned the amont of people and whether gas chambers were used. Asking whether the number of Jews killed was 100,000 or 6 million is not downplaying anything considering there is no official number and scholarship is on going. If hes wrong on the number it doesnt matter because as he said this was a terrible tragedy that should never happen again. And thats down playing the holocaust? Your playing semantics

          • James Kohn

            and so too what does the holocaust have to do with faith or morals? One cannot be kept out of the church for no believing something that isnt a matter of the faith, they may be mocked or corrected but not kept out

          • Illinidiva

            Considering how Catholics have treated Jews in the past, I think that anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial are serious.

          • James Kohn

            serious what? Second do you have knowledge of the so called treatment of the Jews? Do you have compotence in Church history, how about Jewish history in relations with Catholics… the church when you look at what she actually did in comparison to the black legends is clean, provide the examples. And still you havent identified what anti-Semitism is or whether Chrysostom was anti-Semitic

          • Illinidiva

            Umm.. The pogroms and the ghettos? How about expelling the Jews from Spain?

          • James Kohn

            those pogroms were not the result of the churches teachings but the result of mobs and misguided people seeking solutions in all the wrong places. Second what exactly is so intrinsically wrong about ghettos? You realize when Catholics came to the US they often found themselves in ghettos. For instance when the Jews were exiled from Spain Pope Alexander VI actually offered the Jewish people a place to stay in Rome, hence the Roman Ghetto because they agreed to be seperate for mutual cultural reasons. Third expelling the Jews from Spain is not wrong except in a PC world that doesnt wish to define truth. Perhaps you should do your homework on the inquisition and the reasons why people were exiled from Spain, specifically the Jews and Mohammadans. (hint: it has something to do with the Caliphate that encompassed Spain to Persia and the spying activities involved). Again you bring nothing to this because you have a purely modern PC view of “how things should be” to the “enlightened mind”

          • Illinidiva

            ” Second what exactly is so intrinsically wrong about ghettos?”

            And in the 1960s George Wallace asked what was so bad about Jim Crow laws.. You are explaining away the crimes of the Catholic Church and even suggesting that Jewish ghettos were okay— Really?

          • Romulus

            Over the centuries, there have been persecution and bitterness on both sides. It is a false narrative to place all blame with Christians.

          • Illinidiva

            No.. I think that the blame can be placed on the Christians; I don’t remember the Jews perpetrating the pogroms and ghettos, which culminated in the willingness to exterminate 6 million of their friends and neighbors.

          • Romulus

            They’re not in schism. It’s a canonical question, and your feelings are irrelevant. Get over it.

        • Phil Steinacker

          You’re right, and Rome has NEVER said they are in schism. This is NOT their actual status.

          • Illinidiva

            Then please tell me what the status of a non-canonical group whose Masses and sacraments are considered invalid is?

          • James Kohn

            its called irregular, and there is no presidence for it. They dont teach heresy and they still put themselves under the authority of Peter, but they dont blindly follow teachings that dont purport to have binding authority over the church. You are wrong again on the matter of validity. Their Masses are valid as are 5 of the sacraments they part take in (the other two being Marriage and confession are canonically bound to receive episcopal authority for the jurisdiction before distribution, which is why SSPX adherents often find themselves going to ED groups for those sacraments. And again when you continue to make such poorly researched statements like the SSPX is in schism or they have invalid sacraments, please do everyone a favor and apologize for it

          • Illinidiva

            I’m all for Pope Francis kicking them out, so that they can cintinue being intolerant.

          • James Kohn

            so again you have nothing… your a bitter follower of the ways of the world…. your intolerance of the church and those in Her needs to be called out…get to confession for gossip which is what you are doing!

          • Illinidiva

            I’m part of the Church. SSPX is not; they are an intolerant Protestant group. And perhaps you should examine your own conscience and willingness to whitewash the beliefs of such a group before denouncing others.

          • James Kohn

            i denounce your lies…. you have yet to put forth a single piece of paper to back up your talk. They are not protestant by any stance, in the world be call such accusations calumny and that you persist in it I call you to repentance for your own good. The SSPX is a group, the members though irregular are part of the church, provide evidence to the contrary… do your research

          • Illinidiva

            They are Protestants because they don’t accept the authority of the Bishop of Rome. And really, you should examine your own willingness to downplay the Holocaust and dismiss anti-Semitism.

          • James Kohn

            again more garbage. They again and again accept his authority from the very beginning. It is a matter of what parts of VII are binding which they question and they never get an answer to which gives them the stigma of being outsiders. When the Church finally pronounces on the issues then it will be a different matter. Pray tell how that was downplaying the terrible plight? And again define what you mean by anti-Semitism? You throw words around without definitions and in doing so you confuse your own goals because no one can take you seriously

          • James Kohn

            you know what the best thing about this convo is? Its that you have zero appeals to vatican documents for your point, and it drives you mad! You keep throwing names out there like protestants, schismatics and anti-Semites but you cant use the definitions established, instead you must distort and apply your uniformed opinions on the SSPX to influence your own misguided wants (that is you cant stand anything having to do with the Church before the council). I honestly feel bad for you that you despise them, but even I who never even consider going to one of their chapels can see their points and dont need to attack them as schismatics or anti-Semites. And again by your standards was Chrysostom an anti-Semite?

          • Illinidiva

            Chrysostom is likely anti-Semitic by modern standards. And it says alot about God’s divine mercy that he is in Heaven as with all the saints who have acted intolerantly.

            However, this has nothing to do with whether or not the SSPX is anti-Semitic. It is. Sorry when the moderate “bishop” Fellay accuses a conspiracy of “Jews and Masons” of preventing reconciliation with Rome, then the organization is anti-Semitic. Not to mention the fact that Williamson is a rabid Holocaust denier.

            And yep, I do like Vatican II, especially the part of the Council where the Church denounced anti-Semitism and reconciled with the Jewish people.

          • rodlarocque1931

            I guess you would also accuse St Pius X of being anti-semitic. Why would one be surprised that the Jews and Masons are conspiring to influence inter-Church issues? The Jews were up front about that when they pressured Benedict XVI to change the Good Friday Prayers of the 1962 missal.
            Is it anti-semitic to say the obvious? The Jews took full public credit for that bit of pressure manipulation.

          • Illinidiva

            Umm.. Because the prayers accused the Jews of killing Jesus?

          • rodlarocque1931

            The SSPX has nothing to do with anti-semitism unless you believe the historic teachings of the Church are anti-semitic?
            You need to read things written before the 1960′s, you would be amazed and shocked at how the Novus Ordo church has changed the faith, which is completely bizzare considering the hallmark of Catholicism is its insistence and reverence for tradition.
            But that is the nature of modernism…
            Just as during St Athanasius’ time, the whole world woke up to find itself Arian, so too in our time many are suprised to realize that the Vatican is modernist. A heresy that has already been condemned many many times.

          • Illinidiva

            Yep.. Many of the past popes were anti-Semitic. The Church itself was anti-Semitic for a long time.

          • rodlarocque1931

            The only thing the SSPX protests about is the general confusion in the Church and the apparent complete change of attitude and direction within the Church. Before the focus was on attaining eternal salvation in heaven and now it seems to be creating a heaven on earth. The SSPX wants the pope to settle the dust, but instead this new pope is making things worse, more confusion, more decadence …
            In times of crisis, the best strategy is to go with what has been done before until the one with authority actually uses that authority to settle the disputed questions. That is what the SSPX is doing.
            Also, ever wonder why the past popes have harped and complained so much about the masons, and modernism and other movements that they said would destroy the Church? Then all of a sudden, in the 1960′s this warning stopped. Not even a peep out of the recent Popes about masonry or modernism or anything else that their immediate predecessors seems obsessed with….. Pope St Pius X even made all priests take an oath against modernism when they were ordained, yet this was discontinued under Paul VI… why? Was modernism defeated? Not likely…
            That should be food for much thought my friend….

          • James Kohn

            consider these replies a charitable call to repentance… before you make statements or draw judgements on people you have zero knowledge of take a step back breath and let competent authorities do their job…go to confession

  • perpper

    Yes, I just made a pilgrimage to the liquor store and bought a case of various sale items. Ready for liftoff.

  • Mara319

    Lovely. Looking forward to more of Steven Colbert liturgical dancing with the lectionary, a la Fred Astair.

  • Stu

    Even if it is true, it won’t matter. The younger priests aren’t interested in liturgical amusement. Further, most EF parishes I know are a “youth movement.”

    Pope Benedict opened the gates. Time to go out in the world and advance the cause of beauty and reverence in the liturgy.

    Those who want to turn back the clock in a reactionary manner to bad vestments, sappy music and “innovations” have seen their time come an pass.

  • LOL22

    I don’t get it. For 35 years we’ve been told that people who don’t like what the pope does should leave the church but now suddenly it is OK to not like what he does and stay?

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      Who have I told to leave the Church?

  • Quittin’ time at Tara!

    I’m heavily invested in a burlap banner and fake ficus factory. So yeah, I’ll be rolling in that sweet moolah. Come to mama.

  • Harold Norwood

    Excellent ! He has more experience than most ! A very good choice indeed.

  • CatherineofSiena

    The definition of schism is a refusal to submit to the authority of the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on Earth, and the Roman Catholic bishops who are in communion with him. The Holy Pontiff has decreed that the SSPX clergy are forbidden, under penalty of mortal sin, to administer Catholic sacraments and to offer public Masses. The SSPX priests and bishops disobey the Holy Pontiff every single day. The SSPX have set up their own ecclesiastical structure, a parallel church. They witness marriages (the Sacrament of Matrimony is not only illicit, but invalid, when officiated by an SSPX priest, although legal under secular law) and grant annulments, both of which require jurisdiction – to declare jurisdiction is an open-and-shut schismatic act. You can be in schism without being heretical, but once separated from the Vine, it is a slippery slope, and the natural progression is to fall into heresy. When the SSPX teach that the Ordinary Form of the Holy Mass is invalid, that, my friends, is heresy.

  • CatherineofSiena

    The SSPX are in total defiance of the Holy See. They operate within the jurisdictions of hundreds of different Roman Catholic bishops throughout the world without ever even approaching these bishops to gain approval or authority for what they are doing – setting up parishes, administering sacraments, opening “Catholic’ schools. For an official document describing their status, why don’t you try Ecclesia Dei Adflicta? My own Roman Catholic bishop maintains that the SSPX are in schism and he also says that a Roman Catholic cannot fulfill his Sunday obligation at an SSPX Mass. No SSPX priest carries a celebret indicating that he is a Roman Catholic priest in good standing with the authority and power to administer Catholic sacraments to the Catholic faithful. No SSPX priest is named in the Kennedy directory or any other official listing of Roman Catholic clergy – in the Vatican or anywhere in the world. The SSPX never cease attacking the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. They have set themselves up as adversaries to the Mystical Body of Christ. There is no seular law against doing this – they have free will. Knowing full well the laws of the Church, and being fully aware of the directive of the Holy Pontiff that they reconcile with the Roman Catholic Church, the SSPX has deliberated and then made the free and fully conscious choice to refuse to submit to the Holy Pontiff. They have established their own international religious structure, complete with millions of dollars of real estate and other assets, they have established seminaries, and a large number of religious – male and female – communities that are completely and solely under the authority of SSPX Bishop Fellay, not Pope Francis.


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