Cutting Down Every Wiccan Tree?

I have a semi-official policy of ignoring Christian media mogul Pat Robertson whenever possible. You can set a clock by how often he says something stupid, insensitive, outrageous, or inadvertently amusing about any belief system that doesn’t walk lockstep with his own. He’s a calculating offender who knows that causing controversy is good for his business. I frankly have no idea how the folks at Right Wing Watch or Talk to Action manage to cling to sanity in their daily trawl through the seamy underbelly of conservative Christianity.  Surely that much Pat Robertson isn’t healthy for anyone? In any event, the folks at RWW reported on yet another stupid observation on Robertson’s 700 Club, this time from current Roberston sycophant Kristi Watts.

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Robertson’s cohost Kristi Watts mockingly asked that since the Wicca religion “believes in the environment and believes that trees are there God,” then “why are these atheists not saying we should cut down every tree because it’s offensive?”

Luckily, Heathen political commentator Hrafnkell Haraldsson jumps in to tear Watts bizarre argument apart.

“The obvious answer to this is that Wiccans don’t worship trees. This is more of the ever-popular  Old Testament dumb idol meme, the hatred of the Yahwists for trees as representative of goddesses, and repeated all through early Christian history (e.g. 1 Corinthians 12:2), where Pagans become people who worship rocks and trees rather than seeing in nature the divine all around us. On a whole, this is roughly analogous to and about as accurate as saying Christians worship a cross.

Although, it wouldn’t surprise me if even militant atheists aren’t too worked up about Wicca, which like other Pagan religions, eschews proselytization and preaching to “non-believers” like Kristi Watts’ own religion. Pagans also aren’t known to be busy either trying to deprive atheists of their right to not believe. But then, comprehension of causation is not a strong suit for those who believe their god’s will decides everything, including who is born to whom and when.”

Since Hrafnkell has done such an able job of dismantling the anti-Pagan (and anti-atheist) religious hit-job on Robertson’s program, I’ll instead bring up one other point. Atheists aren’t gunning to chop down all the trees us Pagan tree-huggers hug because they predominantly believe in environmental and climate science, and know that cutting down “every tree” would destroy our ecosystem, and life on earth itself (sadly, ski resort Jesus statues don’t absorb carbon dioxide and produce oxygen). To some Christians climate change initiatives and environmental regulations aren’t a matter of responsible stewardship, but a form of “paganism” in of itself. However, interestingly, Robertson isn’t one of them.

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“They have broken heat records in a number of cities already this year and broken all-time records and it is getting hotter and the ice caps are melting and there is a build up of carbon dioxide in the air. We really need to address the burning of fossil fuels. If we are contributing to the destruction of the planet we need to do manage about it.”

So even if Wiccans worshiped trees as their “god,” I think both Robertson and the straw-man atheists described on his program would agree that a policy of cutting “down every tree because it’s offensive” wouldn’t be in their best interests. It’s a shame that Robertson didn’t correct his sidekick on this simple point of logic.

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  • Anonymous

    Jason, you do a great job of keeping these issues front and center.

    Frankly, if a town, county, state, or federal government agency planted a tree as a religious symbol (once the first majority-Druid town council is elected, maybe), that would be wrong. It would violate the First Amendment. But even if the town council members fund it with tax dollars, make an event out of it on Arbor Day, and dig the first shovelful of dirt themselves with a golden shovel, towns don’t plant trees as religious symbols — not even most town Xmas trees. And even if some Pagans did literally believed that the trees were their (not “there”) God (or worshipped a dryad that they believed lived in the tree), that wouldn’t make the town’s actions illegal. Any more than if the town distributes free bread during a natural disaster and a Catholic priest uses it for Communion, at which time Catholics do believe that the bread is their God, that would make the distribution of bread illegal or mean that the town should go around destroying bread.

    If the Dominionists are going to continue to act aggrieved and persecuted, maybe they could at least shoot for basic logic in their screeds??? It would make my head hurt less.

    • Crystal Kendrick

      If they had the ability to use and understand logic, they would no longer be able to act aggrieved and persecuted.

  • http://profiles.google.com/vanye111 Jason Hatter

    I think it’s cute that you believe Pat R. understands logic.

  • http://forestdoor.wordpress.com/ Dver

    I worship some trees, trees that have nymphs in them for instance. (Though I’m a polytheist and animist, not a Wiccan.) But again the analogy wouldn’t stand, as cutting down an actual divine entity in a tree would be akin to murdering their god, not taking down an image of their god.

    • Anonymous

      And what makes you think the Robertson variety of Christianist wouldn’t be more than happy to murder our gods if they could?

      • http://forestdoor.wordpress.com/ Dver

        My point was simply that it’s like them saying “if atheists want us to take down public images of our god, they should also kill all the Wiccans’ gods” which isn’t exactly the sort of “fairness” they’re acting like it is.

        • Anonymous

          Of course it isn’t fair. That sort of person doesn’t want things to be fair, they want to be on top.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585826544 Adam Birch

    Crazy Pat’s broadcasts are sometimes the best comedy on Fox.

    Kristi could be a hottie with a little and a brain transplant. Her dendrophobia is possibly based on a jealousy of their superior intellect.

  • AnonGuest

    Worshipping the cross of Jesus is tree-worship

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585826544 Adam Birch

    Of course they went with the absurd tree cutting – their messiah was raised by a carpenter!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kayt-Rivermoon/1475280080 Kayt Rivermoon

      Actually, given the scarcity of trees in Palestine, it’s likely that Jesus’ dad was a Stonemason. Ditto for Jesus.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Lots of people plant trees with no religious intent. Nobody puts up a cross without religious intent.

    Unless they’re an ancient Roman, in which case Jesus better watch out.

  • http://twitter.com/Gflo54 Flo Green

    Are brains that function wonderful or what?

  • WhiteBirch

    “You know there’s different kinds of… you could call ‘em religions, there’s one called Wicca.”

    This is my least favorite part.

    • Anonymous

      Wicca isn’t something “you could call…religion,” it IS a religion. -__- Remarks like that are why my father refuses to take Wiccans seriously (he seems to think it’s some sort of Harry Potter-inspired LARP or something).

      • WhiteBirch

        That was what I meant, sorry if I wasn’t clear enough. I just get so exhausted making that point over and over! I never thought anyone would think I was making the opposite point!

        • Anonymous

          No, it’s my fault. It’s a bit of a sore subject with me.

          • WhiteBirch

            Likewise. I’ll join you in your -___-!

  • Kilmrnock

    Ms watts , ended her comment with ” just a thought”. Seems to me her brain isn’t working quite right .She makes those types of remarks w/o doing any research at all, mixing different pagan beliefs under the Wiccan banner, Druids revere trees, but not worship them as a deity.she shouldn’t think with those kinds of wrong headed ideas. Other here are correct , if it weren’t for the fact way to many people listen to these crazies , this stuff would be great comedy. Kilm

  • A.C. Fisher Aldag

    Folks can put up religious icons and displays anyplace they want… their religious gathering space, their front yard, their business… except in public space. Public places such as schools, parks, courthouses and county buildings are paid for by everyone. That’s MY tax money, as well as the tax dollars of Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, and many others. It’s not fair to use a Christian’s tax money to maintain, say, a shrine to Lakshmi in a public park, or a Buddhist’s tax dollars to put up a pentacle on the courthouse wall. Those spaces are for everyone. When I put it that way, most people get it… even fundamentalist Christians.

  • Kilmrnock

    I agree Hecate , when you sit and actualy listen the these zealot idiots , it does make your head hurt . The all out inaccaracies and misquotes , misimformation that is spouted by them is brain numbing at best , funny as well. Kilm

  • Sparrow Brown

    I like drinking beer and watching the “700 Club” because I like knowing what the enemy is thinking. I also like watching “Jack Van Impe Presents” for the same reason. So remember, “and I respect you”! LOL!


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