“…there was a whole lot of secrecy involved due to the fact that, at the time, you could still be imprisoned for what may be seen to be practicing witchcraft.”
Richard Gordon is a freelance author, philosopher, occultist, artist and owner operator of Lilith Mandrake Books. Amongst the stable of authors at Lilith Mandrake Books is the late witch of the ‘old school’ Ralph Harvey, who unfortunately passed in 2020. Ralph was of a generation that saw the repeal of the Witchcraft Act in 1951, and the subsequent public and private faces of witchcraft that emerged in Britain, and later America, as a consequence. A fascinating character, Ralph was a stuntman, escapologist, showman, as well as a student of traditional old craft and founder of the Order of Artemis in 1959.
“Ralph was the best of company, but I really do wish that he had worn his hearing aids a little more often; sometimes his mis-hearing related responses were hilarious!”
Ian Chambers (IC): Richard, thank you so much for taking the time to do this interview. First, allow me to offer my sincere and heartfelt condolences on the passing of Ralph Harvey. It is an honor to talk to you about him and your friendship.
Richard Gordon (RG): Hi, thanks for the invite, Ian, and it’s an honour to be here.
IC: Perhaps it would be fitting to first tell us a little about your background and your occult involvement?
RG: My life has been of a very chaotic and some would say eccentric nature, so I guess that the best place to start is at the beginning, and I’ll strive to condense this as much as possible, just to convey a little of my timeline.
I was born in the little market town of Beverley in 1966. I was actually born dead with umbilical strangulation and thankfully revived. Interestingly, my years of research have suggested that birth trauma is a common feature within the esoteric community, especially being born dead, almost as if many of us have an underlying feeling that we have a foot in both worlds. At the time, my father was the head of a carpentry business but, after the company unexpectedly went bankrupt, he decided to set up a construction business in Kingston upon Hull. Then, around 1972, he purchased a house and contents as a restoration project.
As a very young child I had already shown a great interest in, lets say, anything that had a freakish nature, especially items relating to the natural world such as fossils, so these items were almost like a magnet to me. Better still I was allowed to keep whatever I wanted.
The house in question contained a small library of rare occult themed books, including original proof copies of tomes such as Aleister Crowley’s four part classic Magick, Liber ABA (Book 4), the Sacred Magic of Abramelin, Transcendental Magic by Eliphas Levi, the Kybalion and many others, alongside art work and more modern witchcraft influenced commercial works, as well as several items of esoterically based paraphernalia and an opal ring that once belonged to Crowley. I flicked through the pages on a regular basis, and although I found them to be fascinating, being so young at the time I obviously had no real insight in regards to their true meanings.
By the mid to late 1970’s, I had grown increasingly interested in the concept that the power of magick actually existed, and whilst other friends of the same age had pictures of Star Wars on their bedroom walls, I had images of Vampires and even an image of a sky-clad Patricia Crowther on mine. Although I have known several people who have worked rituals with her since it is only in recent years that I got to meet her.
In the late 1970’s, I attended a Church of England school, Malet Lambert, in Kingston-Upon-Hull. It was here that I was introduced to a boy named Mark who had similar interests in the occult, and we quickly became good friends. In time, rumours spread that we were practicing witchcraft and we were summoned to the headmasters office where we were grilled by both himself and the religious Head of Year. We obviously denied everything, yet in truth we really had been drawing sigils in our own blood and trying to raise spirits and demons – not that any of it worked at the time!
“…around the same period I decided to practically withdraw from society and dedicate my time to studying the occult, meditation and self-exploration.”
Then I guess that I sort of followed the typical teenage route and became interested in music and fashion, some may say too much so! And, although I was still basically obsessed with magick, by 1983 I joined the tail end of the New Romantic movement and became an outrageously dressed club personality. It seemed for a time that I would become a super famous front man for a rock or pop band but, by the time we got musicians together, the sound we wanted to create and the associated style had just about died out, and that was about the end of that. Yet, within this period, I had the opportunity to interact with record producers, filmmakers, musicians and fashion designers, most of whom also had an interest in magick and witchcraft.
By 1986 I had met lots of esoterically minded people, especially in association with occult book and supply shops, such as the The Sorcerer’s Apprentice in Leeds, and it was around this point that I became interested in the ideas and theories of psychedelic, shamanic prophet Terrance McKenna. By 1988, I had begun a personal series of experimentations with large doses of entheogenic substances, such as psilocybin, and far stronger synthetic equivalents, and I would at this point note that I’m not advocating their use. I’ll simply say that the experiences were often more than a little enlightening, and all consumed within a ritual context. Then again, I guess that, in order to grasp a true understanding of reality, you sometimes need to transcend it.
Around the same period I became interested in the arising house music and acid house scene and began to attend a nightclub that was basically run by occultists. Ruby Wax actually interviewed some of the people who worked there as part of a documentary, and it was here where I met members of one of the wealthiest families in the country, who further introduced me to a group of fashion designers, stylists and all round crazy occultist people, some of whom turned out to be into ritualised sex magick within a witchcraft style context.
Although these were incredibly interesting and, let’s say, pleasurable times, you really can have too much of a good thing and I eventually came to the conclusion that their cocaine fuelled rituals were more about hedonistic and voyeuristic, self-satisfying interests than the occult and, as it really appeared that there was little more to be gained, other than carnal pleasures from the association, I eventually decided to totally withdraw from their company.
So, around the same period I decided to practically withdraw from society and dedicate my time to studying the occult, meditation and self-exploration. But, as everyone needs to make a living, I also set up a part time antiques business in order to generate a little income, and it quickly became obvious that several well known antique dealers were also involved, or at least had an interest, in the esoteric world. When I started to sell at antique fairs, I was practically begged by television companies to take part in, or present, antiques related programs and, although I turned all the offers down, you may spot me in the background of some programmes such as Bargain Hunt.
I also spent a lot of time on doing ritual work on the North Yorkshire moors, near to Whitby, and up in the Scottish highlands in the mountains where the distractions of the modern world were almost nonexistent.
In the years to come, I came to the conclusion that a large percentage of occultists simply have endless strings of facts and figures, but often little idea of how to put them together in a way that they can be actively useful.
As time went on, I became increasingly interested in mysticism, and subjects such as Hermetics and the implications of quantum physics, and started to formulate my own feelings about the true nature of reality and how knowledge of the inner mechanisms of magick may be manipulated and better understood. In the years to come, I began to network and share ideas with like-minded spiritual seekers across the globe, initially via the means of esoteric chatrooms and then eventually Facebook groups.
It would appear that I had far more to say than I expected people to be interested in. So, henceforth, I made many connections with really interesting people from a myriad of esoteric practices who were willing to share information and, in turn, they practically insisted that I should begin to build a new public persona in order to promote my ideas.
So, although I was certainly still involved in several esoteric circles, I almost reluctantly resurfaced back into the public domain and I began by notoriously appearing in Bizarre magazine holding a statue of Baphomet, surrounded by my personal collection of ancient artefacts, which included shrunken heads, headhunter trophy skulls, Peruvian elongated skulls and ritual items. The article in question describes me as a spell-caster, and I’m quite sure that I sounded quite crazy!
During the same period, also I began to write articles for internet sites such as Disinformation, Enlightening Times and physically printed magazines such as Greenmantle: a Pagan Journal, which was originally launched by my current partner, the Sussex pagan artist Rowan Wulfe, and author Paul Pearson, but is now currently produced by Paul and his partner and author Talis Harrill. Related comments from some of the internet articles described me as being anything from a madman to a genius, and one of England’s last great eccentrics!
As time moved on, I then moved on to attend the Hull Magickal Arts meeting in Kingston upon Hull, which was founded by Rob Stanley and made several new personal friends, including esoteric authors Philip John Heselton and Alan Thororgood. This led to me writing a best-selling short book on shamanism entitled Shamanic Magick for Rob’s publishing company, which basically brings us up to present day and my continuous networking with like-minded people.
I still regularly mix in Witchcraft and Wiccan related circles and, in recent years ,I’ve even done one of the quarters at a friend’s hand-fasting ritual alongside my friend Philip but, esoterically speaking, I guess I’m gradually heading off in my own direction.
Alongside the ongoing magickal projects, which include an esoteric order, book publishing and a Facebook information sharing group by the name of Occult Magick Mystical Universe, which has over five thousand members, I still regularly attend alternative festivals and nightclubs and often dress up to the maximum. Several people have suggested that I shouldn’t continue in this direction if I want to be taken seriously, but then again I don’t take myself over seriously, and when it comes down to it I know for certain that a huge percentage of the gothic and steampunk community are involved in, or at least have esoteric interests, so it’s obviously a major trait of the artistically minded. And, when it comes down to it, the art of magick may perhaps best be described, at least in my mind, as being the manipulation of creative energy.
“…these in time eventually guided him on the path towards creating his own coven, which then incorporated the ancient traditions into their own rituals.”
IC: How did you meet Ralph Harvey and what was your relationship with him in terms of his occult work?
RC: I first met Ralph via my friendship, and eventual relationship, with Rowan Wulfe, who is incidentally mentioned in Ralph’s book The Last Bastion as one of three witches working together in Sussex. In the beginning, she offered to edit my writing and we then moved on to work on several artistic projects together. Rowan was never part of Ralph’s coven but had independently worked with him and a couple of witchcraft friends for over 20 years, and even took part in the last initiation ritual Ralph officiated over a couple of years ago.
Although I’ve attended several of Ralph’s open rituals, my personal relationship with him was mainly one of friendship. We spent a lot of time discussing magick on his regular visits to our home in Brighton, and we also ventured forth on several road trips to mystical sites during the time that I’ve known him – these typically also involved a picnic in the woods or a meal in one of his favourite country inns.
Towards the end of his life, Ralph somewhat withdrew from physical involvement in the craft and related gatherings, but was obviously still active in regards to lectures and public appearances. He became increasingly interested in my thoughts on magickal practices and agreed to help me promote them. (I’ll get back to this subject a little later.)
Ralph was the best of company, but I really do wish that he had worn his hearing aids a little more often; sometimes his mis-hearing related responses were hilarious!
“Ralph more recently put us in touch with someone who is said to be from the New Forest coven, so we’re pretty certain that they are still active.”
He said that I was one of a small handful of male friends that he’d had during his lifetime and, in truth, I would say that he certainly preferred the company of women and had no end of female admirers.
Ralph was certainly rather posh, very charming, charismatic and knowledgeable, a totally well-mannered person, but sometimes he could almost appear to be not unlike a naughty schoolboy and, even during his mid 80’s, he was still often intent on wrestling me in the apartment and putting my arm behind my back with a martial arts hold which he referred to as the Cobra from which there was no escape!
On one such afternoon he presented me with one of his miniature magickal wands – he had several which he’d often wear tucked in above his ear and had actively used for many years. Each of them were utilised for different occasions: one for concentration, another for initiation and others for magickal work. The one he gave me had a history of ritual use and, yes, to many it would appear to be nothing more than an attractive carved piece of privet, but its history of use makes it priceless – well at least in my eyes. I believe that the others were donated to the Museum of Witchcraft and Magic in Boscastle, along with many other ritual items.
Interestingly, several other friends from a magickal background have also gifted me their wands before their passing, including a Buddhist monk’s sky iron wand from Tibet, and the American author Dante La Miel’s rather splendid rattle snaked tail wand, which certainly has a feel of power to it.
We thought that Ralph would go on forever, but he fell ill shortly after a major car crash the very afternoon when he’d popped over for lunch to discuss a couple of ongoing projects. I guess that we were probably, other than his family and a few other close friends, some of the last people to see him as visiting the nursing home, where he was released to from the hospital, was absolutely impossible due to the Covid 19 virus restrictions. The last time we saw him at the hospital, he set us on what can be only referred to as a coded treasure hunt to an ancient Pagan legacy that we are planning to pursue as soon as we are able.
IC: Ralph wrote that his Craft roots stem from the Sussex Storrington Coven, which he claimed was one of the famous nine covens of Essex Cunning Man George Pickingill. In what ways did this old craft root inform Ralph’s practice and philosophy?
RG: After meeting with members of some of the covens Ralph became actively involved in, and in turn learned of the practices involved, I can say that these in time eventually guided him on the path towards creating his own coven, which then incorporated the ancient traditions into their own rituals.
IC: What are your thoughts on these covens and the so-called Pickingill line and its legitimacy as an historic tradition?
RG: Ok, Ralph was one of the most honest people who we’ve ever met, so I’m quite sure that he did indeed meet several covens that were operating in the area. The trouble is that there was a whole lot of secrecy involved due to the fact that, at the time, you could still be imprisoned for what may be seen to be practicing witchcraft. So, although he may have learned of many of their practices, even in later life he was unwilling to share some of the names of those involved in order to protect the reputations of the families.
Many years ago, our personal friend Paul Pearson, who recently published a book entitled The Mountain and the Stream, which was co-written by his partner Tallis, also came across similar secret practices in the farming community which are likely to continue until this day. So, it basically backs up the fact that these ancient traditions have factual foundations. My own uncle, who lived in a village in Sancton, which is near to Market Weighton, also worked within the farming community and had witnessed pagan practices on a regular basis, such as blessing of planting seeds or the harvesting of the crops, so I’d take an educated guess that it’s still a common practice in some areas.
Here below are some of the notes that Ralph gave us about the covens that he encountered, so people can have a read and make their own mind up, but we know for certain that he certainly did work with the groups he mentions.
My dealilngs with both Storrington and the New Forest coven lead my research to a man called George Pickingill. It was said that he was the Grand Master of nine covens, but I found he was not master of nine covens – he was associated with seven covens. I found the nine covens that he was associated with, and Eastbourne and Willingdon coven used to meet up with the Littlehampton coven at each other’s sites. These covens had a loose association with the Storrington coven. Although the Willingdon coven and the Littlehampton coven were deemed as two separate covens, they were actually the same. They used to use sites at both places, and it was the same with Lewes and Brighton. Witches were very prevalent, in the South in particular. George Pickingill is said to be the Grand Master of the seven covens, though he never travelled out of Canewdon, Essex. What happened was that the seven covens used to go to him, and he was consulted as the grand wizard and he gave advice on many issues. All the books say he was the master of nine but he was the consultant of seven.
– Excerpt from Ralph’s upcoming biography
IC: Was Ralph ever in touch with Bill Lidell, who published the ‘Lugh’ letters which purport to be from his elders in the Pickingill Craft?
RG: To be honest, that’s a question that I don’t have the answer to. It’s impossible to say as he met an incredible amount of people other the years, but certainly within the realms of possibility.
The Liddell ‘Lugh’ letters are now widely discredited, but there are those, such as the late Mike Howard of The Cauldron, who Ralph did know who afforded Liddell’s story some credence. Should we believe the academics?
Basically I have a feeling that, over the years several occultists have, let’s say, exaggerated or fabricated the truth, either out of academic mischief or to reinforce the follower’s beliefs in the validity their chosen system. That said, even then there often appears to be at least a pinch of truth in the associated documents.
IC: Can you disclose whether these covens are still in existence, and what is their legacy today?
When the high priestess of the Storrington coven passed away, the family burned all of the associated books of shadows and paperwork. The other artefacts and ritual equipment, such as the box which they kept their spells in, were sold to a secondhand shop. Ralph tracked the shop down and recovered several of the artefacts, including statues and other items, most of which he donated to the Museum of Witchcraft and Magic in Boscastle, and that was the end of their lineage apparently.
On the other hand, Ralph more recently put us in touch with someone who is said to be from the New Forest coven, so we’re pretty certain that they are still active. However, they still keep everything close to their chest and shrouded in mystery.
IC: At some point, Wicca came to have an influence upon Ralph and his works. Could you tell us more about how this came about and to what extent Wicca became a part of his craft?
RG: Although he was taught traditional rituals by the first covens that he came across back in the day, he said that a lot of his own coven’s practices were adapted from the writings of Lady Sheba, aka American author Jessie Wicker Bell, who was born in the 1920’s and wrote about Wiccan and Celtic traditions.
IC: Ralph wrote of a time of renaissance of the old craft when hereditary, traditional and, principally Gardnerian, Wiccans were side by side, and there was a mutual acceptance. How do you think Ralph perceived, or would feel about, the divergence that has occurred more of late?
RG: I think that he more or less chose to follow his own path and tried his best not to get involved in the politics that often go on behind the scenes, and he wasn’t one to cause trouble or call people behind their backs. He had a sort of let them get on with it attitude.
IC: It seems that the craft enjoyed a phase of more accepting openness after the repeal of the Witchcraft Act, but that today many covens and groups are ‘closed’, secretive, elitist (at least in appearance and demeanor) and hold others at a distance. Would Ralph feel that this situation is inevitable or a sign of the times, and liable to change?
Although Ralph was well known to hold open rituals, the actual coven was, as said, secretive and closed. He was outraged that other covens shared what he saw to be sacred knowledge on the internet, such as instructions on how to make ‘witches water’ ,and then again he was involved in the craft when it was still illegal to do so, so I guess that it instilled that sense of secrecy within his core values.
IC: Was Ralph ever in contact with Wiccans of the time that are now familiar names, such as Doreen Valiente who lived in Sussex, as well as Alex Sanders?
RG: Ralph first met Doreen in 1952.
I just turned up at her house as she was a well known witch and, at the time, I had not been initiated into the craft and I wanted to discuss initiation with her. She was most helpful and gave me a couple of names whom she said I should contact, one of which was the proprietor of The Cauldron, Mike Howard.
Once I was initiated at Storrington, I met Doreen several times over the next few years; Sometimes at conferences and sometimes socially, and also at lectures that we were both attending. We enjoyed a good friendship. I found her charming and very helpful in all matters pertaining to the craft.
I didn’t know her very well, but we always got on well together when we met. The last time I met her it was at a lecture arranged by John Belham Payne. We had a long chat after her wonderful lecture on the craft and shortly after this she died.
I was one of the four people chosen to do the quarters at her funeral. Emrys was another and we read out a Eulogy for her. We then sprinkled holy water on her coffin and put some incense there and she was cremated at Woodvale crematorium. I felt mightily privileged to be chosen as she was a wonderful woman and witch who had tirelessly sought knowledge and privilages for those of the craft. She bequeathed me the pentacle she wore round her neck, which will also go to the Boscastle Museum of Witchcraft and Magic.
– Exceprt From Ralph’s upcoming biography
He worked with Alex Saunders three times but was not taken by him.
“I know for certain that he personally initiated over 250 people over the years.”
IC: In addition to the Wiccan movement, which was gaining momentum publicly, there were other old craft groups around in the fifties and sixties, such as the Coven of the Scales (Bob Clay-Egerton), Clan of Tubal Cain (Robert Cochrane), the Oxford coven Evan John Jones was initiated into, Y Plant Brân (Ruth Wynn-Owen), and others. Was Ralph ever in communication with any of these groups or people in them, to your knowledge?
RG: I can’t say for certain about the others, although he did certainly mention some of them, and I certainly know that he’s met at least two members of Y Plant Brân, including a personal friend of mine who has regularly attended for many years. Although she doesn’t want to be mentioned by name, she has accompanied us to Ralph’s home. I also believe that Patricia Crowther has also been known to attend Y Plant Brân’s solstice rituals.
IC: Did Ralph ever talk with you about the old craft witches?
RG: Yes, he most certainly did, and we also joined him on several day trips to some of their sacred sites, but he was generally rather secretive about their interactions in relation to himself.
IC: In his book British Witchcraft: the Suppression and Re-emergence of the Old Religion, Ralph alludes to ‘Traditional Witchcraft’ being born out of the Sussex Old Craft hereditary roots. Can you expand on what is meant here?
RG: Ralph was sure that the practice of witchcraft basically arose in the area, but became suppressed during the persecutions and then went underground until it became a little safer to, once again, interact with those of the same beliefs. He suggested that some of the accused were simply asked to leave the area rather than being arrested, so that would also explain how their practices survived.
IC: Ralph formed the Order of Artemis in 1959. Could you tell us more about this order, and does it survive its founder’s sad passing?
RG: According to Ralph, the original covens, which are based on his own practices, eventually continued to hive off and, at the time of his passing, he told us that they now number by at least 200. Obviously, we only have his word for it but, as usual, I have no real reason to doubt his word, and I know for certain that he personally initiated over 250 people over the years.
IC: You are a founder, with Ralph Harvey, of the Universal Order of Telos. Can you tell us more about the Universal Order of Telos, its aims, philosophy and purpose in the outer?
I first came up with the concept of The Universal Order of Telos during the mid 1980s, and it basically remained a somewhat conceptional idea for a long time. Telos was first used as a term by the philosopher Aristotle, meaning an ultimate objective or aim, and my aim was towards that of sharing spiritual enlightenment. But, it took years of meditation, study and self-experimentation before I came to the realisation about what an ‘enlightened view’ of reality may be said to be. Of course, this is only my take on things based upon personal experience and decades of discussions with others on the path – yet I believe that it has more of a smack of truth to it than many other belief systems.
The Order itself is based around several interactive principles, such as being that of a celebration of the energy that has come together, to become a part of ourselves, and that a creative force is at work in the structure of reality.
“I first came up with the concept of The Universal Order of Telos during the mid ’80s”
I didn’t want to dash into creating a new belief system that had no real substance, hence the years spent intensely distilling mystical learning and knowledge towards a simplified philosophy. At the end of the day, people can basically choose to dismiss things or take it to heart, but I also didn’t want it to become a money-making project rather than a true spiritual society. Even when I got the offer from a multi-millionaire in the USA to create the first temple there, I decided to turn the offer down
Then, many years later, I was challenged to create a symbol of universal energy after interacting with several well-known occultists via the internet. The said symbol has been at the No. 1 position in image searches as ‘The Universal Energy Symbol’ since 2012 and, although I said that it could only be used on a personal basis as a sigil of protection and a focal point of hope and positivity for humanity, it has become somewhat pirated by several individuals and is now available on endless products and clothing on the internet. Several people also have tattoos of it, including my girlfriend Rowan who was the first!
After the symbol appeared in esoteric magazines and websites ,several of the occultists that I’d been interacting with agreed to share the Order across the world. Basically, to spread the word and see how things evolve. There’s a whole lot of ‘my wands bigger than your wand’ in the esoteric world, so it was rather good to find a group of people who were willing to transcend their own egos.
The people in question included Buddhist monks from Tibet, Alex Longman, who was a spiritual seeker from South Africa, author Dante Miel aka H.M. Solaris, internet mage Ronniucci, and eventually Ralph, who all agreed to become founding members and share links to the Order via their amazing web of contacts. But then disaster struck; firstly Ron passed away during mysterious circumstances, followed by Alex, whose cause of death has never been discovered, then Dante during a Ayahuasca ritual in Mexico, and finally Ralph, who can be seen signing his founders membership in the following images. So, the planned sequence of events had to be temporally be put on hold.
So, although this was a very distressing sequence of events, we’ll still be planning an official launch in the near future. We also aim to publish a short handbook, ‘Telos 1’, around the same time, and which will basically be sold at cost for those who want to know a little more. So, we’ll have to see how things develop but, going by the amount of messages that I’ve received over the past few years, it would appear that there’s a huge volume of people waiting to join – the launch is likely to be sometime later this year [2021].
IC: What is in the works at Lilith Mandrake Books, and can we look forward to a biography of Ralph Harvey any time soon?
RG: To tell the truth, it may be two or three years before the biography comes to light. Rowan made notes on a daily basis for several years – Ralph skipped and jumped from one subject to another so it’s going to take quite some time to sort them into a timeline. It will cover all aspects of his life, including his time in the military, his detective agency, acting and film producing carrier and, obviously, his involvement in the esoteric world.
In the coming months, we’ll be publishing Jordan Mikena’s book ‘Magick, Manifestation and Money, Our Needs Fulfilled,’ and my own book ‘The Sacred Symbols of Creation- The Power of Magick Revealed’, which focuses on an array of esoterically related subjects, including everything from quantum physics, to the Knights Templar, sacred geometry, magickal theory and the powerful mandalas that create a personal connection to the creational force which I discovered after many years of research. Several other authors, spiritual seekers, witches and alchemists have also contributed their personal thoughts on magick and the true nature of reality to one of the chapters, including Ramsey Dukes, Philip Heselton, Brother Moloch 969, Alan Thorogood, Jordan Mikena , H.M Solaris, Rowan Wulfe and also Ralph Harvey. In Ralph’s, case it was amongst the last time that he discussed his personal thoughts and experiences on the subject.
Otherwise, we’ll also be publishing a second shorter poetic mystical book by myself, The Lakharne, and everything from steampunk and horror novels to children’s stories.
IC: Where should we go to find out more about Ralph Harvey, his works and what is happening at Lilith Mandrake, can you provide links for interested parties?
RG: There’s a very enlightening interview that I did with Ralph that can be found in the back issues or downloads of the Greenmantle Pagan Journal via the following link – www.greenmantle.org.uk .
Our published books are available via the link on our website http://lilithmandrakebooks.co.uk/ .
IC: Lastly, please accept my gratitude for granting this interview and casting light on an important craft figure who is, perhaps, one of the last of the ‘old school’, as well as your own intriguing life. It has been fascinating, a privilege and it is wonderful to share this with a wider audience.
RG: Thank you once again for the invite!
All images supplied and used with permission from Richard Gordon and Rowan Wulfe with thanks.
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