Hey Hey my Peoples!

Hey Hey my Peoples! December 8, 2008

Do Christian Singles Need a “Posh” and “Uplifting” New Year’s Eve Party? – Definately check out the awkward moment starring Toby Mac in the trailer. Also, Drew brings up some good questions.

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  • Yet one more question that doesn’t need to be answered. The question “Do Christian singles need a posh and uplifting New Year Eve party?” is right up their in terms of relevance and importance with “Do dogs need to know who Princess peach is?” and “Do I need a Communist Party shirt from Threadless?”

    The obvious, non-controversial answer in all of these cases is No. In fact, so obvious is the answer that nobody will dispute the answer.

    I think Drew’s title and theme distract from his point, which seems to be aiming more at the question of whether or not such a New Year’s celebration is good rather than whether it is needed. Of course, that’s a more complicated question and my answer to it would likely be quite nuanced, but as I’m still having trouble with typing due to a recent hand-laceration, I’ll start by saying “Depends.”

    I don’t know who Toby Mac is and he seems like kind of a tool and the music and advertising aren’t really my scene, but really, if you’re the kind of person who’s into what they’re selling (which seems to be a night out on the town in a “safe” environment with bad pop music playing) and you can be into it to the glory of God, then why not? I remember when I was younger, hipper, and into the local concert circuit, I would hit New Year’s Eve concert fiestas with all my friends. We had a lot of fun and I have good memories of some of those nights, so I fail to see what is necessarily wrong of harmful here.

    The Danes last blog post..20081119.ChurchLies

  • Alan Noble


    In response to the two questions you pose in the first paragraph: Probably and yes, we all do.

  • @Alan – The more I consider and carefully weigh your response, the more I come to see that you are very wise. I repent.

    The Danes last blog post..20081119.ChurchLies

  • @Rich, thanks for the link brother!

    @The Dane – I think your criticism of my title is valid–I should have titled it something like “Is a Posh VIP-vibe New Year’s Party a Good Idea?” But that didn’t seem as catchy.

    I am not saying that such a party is terrible, but I guess the whole promo video bothered me. It just seems to me that the message being presented was, “you can have everything the world has so long as you throw a shout out to God.”

    Maybe that is the fundamentalist in me coming out, but that rubs me the wrong way. I just don’t think we have to dress up our faith to look just like the world in order to reach the world. I think the gospel is compelling in and of itself. In fact I think what is most compelling about the gospel is seeing it lived out in a community of sincere believers alongside hearing it preached.

    Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    Drews last blog post..Tuesday is for Music: Ten Out of Tenn

  • @Drew – You’re certainly right that there are Better alternatives to B. Haley’s New Year’s Bash. (And I would certainly be pleased if single, young Christians had better taste than to imagine that music from the Christian ghetto is worth their time.) But apart from my sorrow that these kids don’t have as good a taste in What Is Quality as I do, I don’t have much of a problem with this kind of thing.

    There are dangers present, of course. But I don’t think those dangers are necessary dangers.

    While the ridiculous speech patois of Toby Mack indicates that he’s cribbing from a social vector that he imagines is either cool or salable, I’m not sure we can say for certainty whether he is dressing up the world in Christian clothes. While that’s certainly possible, I think a more immediate possibility is that he’s a nob.

    I don’t think there’s necessarily a clear line of demarcation between the Christian way and the way of the world so far as things like social tics go. For instance, growing up as a wee little Dane, I said “Dude” a lot. Growing up on the beach in Southern California, this and other stereotypically surfery lingo and mannerisms were simply absorbed into my own social expression. While there were certainly times when I would be “of the world,” those instances were unrelated to the fact that I had absorbed the mannerisms from the society around me.

    We all do this to great extent and it’s not always a bad thing. I think this absorption of society’s expressions is more a part of being in the world than being of the world. It’s when we take on the negative values and desires intimate to these societies that we move from of to in.

    And while dorkiness is certainly a negative value, it’s not one that’s only found in the world. Other than the cheesiness of Baley’s New Year’s party, I don’t know that any negative values are being drawn from the world. Dressing slick for a night out isn’t wrong. Single people hanging out with other single people isn’t wrong. And men and women touching isn’t wrong. So long as those involved are pursuing righteousness in the midst of the engagement, I don’t see any problem with the party save that it really isn’t to my taste.

    The Danes last blog post..20081119.ChurchLies

  • @Drew – By the way, after like six months on my Netflix queue, The Danielson Family Movie finally arrived and that was just a great little documentary. I had heard them here and there over the years, but the movie just kind of brought it altogether for me&#8212and went a long way toward explaining that tree of his! So yeah, I can echo your recommendation.

    The Danes last blog post..20081119.ChurchLies

  • @The Dane, I agree with your assessment for the most part.

    I should have been clearer in what exactly I think is silly about the bash. That is the celebrity worship and the VIP vibe–neither of which are particularly healthy for Christian young people.

    And part of my angst that came out in my post came from the fact that I am personally discipling some young people who are battling some of the things that seem to be promoted in the video.

    But your points are well taken–having a night out on the town isn’t in itself evil nor is listening to “Christian” music that sounds a lot like some secular bands.

    On a side note, I always have to put “Christian” in quotations when talking about music–because music doesn’t have a soul–it is neither Christian or non-Christian–music cannot itself be regenerate.

    I am glad you liked Danielson: A Family Movie. They are strange for sure, but sincere and oddly compelling. Ships has become one of my favorite albums.

    Drews last blog post..Tuesday is for Music: Ten Out of Tenn

  • @Drew – Oh yeah. I forgot about the VIP bit. That does sort of bug me as i have to deal with that all the time. Though in a different arena from pop music sensations.

    The place where I work has a lot of pastors come by who are big names in certain circles and I’m always frustrated by the way some of my co-workers will fawn over these guys (and sometimes women, in the “famous missionary” set). I get that people are excited to have contact with people who have become heroes to them, but it’s just ridiculous at times.

    So yeah, i’m with you there.

    The Danes last blog post..20081119.ChurchLies